[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence > > the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the > > hopelessness a

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Excellent start for understanding these guys. Your point about not depersonalizing them is right on. With both sides tarring the other with one-dimensional projections, I wish your perspective was more common. Nice one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence > > the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the > > hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, or > >

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
I'll read it again, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence > > > the 'credit' it deserves when spawning te

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence > > the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the > > hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, > > or a

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
TorquiseB writes; snipped > Well said, Jim. This is something that people who > live in our time and were raised in the affluent > West really don't understand. I've often thought > that the best thing that could ever happen to > America and Americans is to have some kind of > "compassion draft," i

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
> I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence > the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the > hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, or > a run of bad luck, such as most of us in the wealthy and powerful US > might imagine. Hey J

Re: [FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread Vaj
On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence  the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the  hopelessness and powerlessness borne of indiv

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think you are giving the hopelessness and impotence > the 'credit' it deserves when spawning terrorism. It is not the > hopelessness and powerlessness borne of individual circumstances, or > a run of bad

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > I agree with your point that blending crazy > > beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the > > theoretical and into the world of "holy shit! > > > > --- Dav

Re: [FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread Vaj
On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:46 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:I have no real answers but I do know that explanations of poverty and powerlessness may not hold up.  The suicidal terrorists we know about best were mostly privileged.  One necessary component is a belief in an afterlife that rewards such beha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-18 Thread Vaj
On Jul 17, 2006, at 9:53 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- curtisdeltablues wrote: I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of "holy shit!  --- Dave" wrote: with people strapping on bombs and blowing  th

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > I agree with your point that blending crazy > > beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the > > theoretical and into the world of "holy shit! > > > > --- Dav

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread larry.potter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > I agree with your point that blending crazy > > beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the > > theoretical and into the world of "holy shit! > > > > --- Dav

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread curtisdeltablues
I have no real answers but I do know that explanations of poverty and powerlessness may not hold up. The suicidal terrorists we know about best were mostly privileged. One necessary component is a belief in an afterlife that rewards such behavior. That is Sam Harris's particular beef with Islam.

[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)

2006-07-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- curtisdeltablues wrote: > > I agree with your point that blending crazy > beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the > theoretical and into the world of "holy shit! > > --- Dave" wrote: > > > > with people strapping on bombs and blowing > > themselves up in coffee houses b