--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
LOVE IT! THANKS. GOT MY ATTENTION. You prove my pet theory: when a person's
first person perspective comesunwittingly,
So I'm playing this gig in a Midwestern dive, usual Friday night crowd, couple
of friends, couple of drunks. I'm working through my second set with the usual
shouts from the back for me to play Freebird (I've played here for years and
some drunks STILL don't know what I play and what I don't
Curtis,
As always, thoughtful and considered.
Thanks
From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 10:03:17 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]
So
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:
Are you incapable of snipping, or just plain lazy?
Forgot - lesson relearned.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:
RESPONSE: Don't hit a guy when he's already down, Turquoiseb. Haven't
you already said enough, for Christ's sake? I need your counsel, not
your cruel truthfulness. You've hit an undefended part of me, OK? And I
need to nurse
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
Dear Rick,
If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that I say about
enlightenment, I will be revealing this discrepancy between my
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:30 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
Dear Rick,
If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
RC, are your experiences so beyond the rest of us, your concepts so
profound
we can't understand with simple language that you must use so many
words to
get your meaning and concepts across? Are you wanting to get points
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:20 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
RESPONSE: Thomas, could you provide an example of a sentence or two, from
the letter above, which illustrates the problem of the intelligibility and
clearness of my argument?
Not easily. Your bombast runs through
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:20 AM, maskedzebra no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
RESPONSE: Thomas, could you provide an example of a sentence or two, from
the letter above, which illustrates the problem of the
MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than two
sentences into the self-serving drivel below: I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR
'ENLIGHTENMENT.' It (meaning the stories you tell others and yourself
about your experiences and what you think they mean or meant)
obviously are very important
Dear maskedzebra - all I see is a lot of intellectual jugglery and
nothing concrete. Can you please, if it's even possible for you,
describe in a few lines each on your enlightenment, the reasons why you
thought it was mystical deceit and your current de-enlightenment
process. Please use generic
Don't speak for everyone Barry, I'm interested in his enlightenment.
Here's a clue to explain to you why I make fun of you because I DON'T
CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS ON ENLIGHTENMENT, so STFU Barry.
I know you feel threatened when anyone uses the E word, but again if
someone is talking about the E
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
Dear Rick,
If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that I say about
enlightenment, I will be revealing this discrepancy between my
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than two
sentences into the self-serving drivel below: I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR
'ENLIGHTENMENT.' It (meaning the stories you tell others and yourself
about your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
RESPONSE: Seems like reasonable request, Ravi. Let me work on it, OK?
Dear maskedzebra - all I see is a lot of intellectual jugglery and
nothing concrete. Can you please, if it's even possible for you,
describe in a few
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote:
MZ- I think you have some interesting things to say. But
the way you write is so condensed that it obscures your
ideas. It could be that I simply struggle to read it and
get fatigued.
That's part of what I was getting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
Dear Rick,
If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
MZ- I think you have some interesting things to say. But
the way you write is so condensed that it obscures your
ideas. It could be that I simply
Hey MZ,
You have a real contribution of perspective to contribute here and right now
you are getting a bit of the circling pack action.
I believe it is because you are here with a well thought out perspective that
challenges many of ours, as well as the difficulty of transcending (oh shit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more
than two sentences into the self-serving drivel below: I DON'T
CARE ABOUT YOUR
LOVE IT! THANKS. GOT MY ATTENTION. You prove my pet theory: when a person's
first person perspective comesunwittingly, adventitiouslythrough their
so-called attempts at a third person perspective (e.g. what you are telling me
here) and what you get is strong and healthythen time to: BECOME
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:
LOVE IT! THANKS. GOT MY ATTENTION. You prove my pet theory: when a person's
first person perspective comesunwittingly, adventitiouslythrough their
so-called attempts at a third person perspective (e.g. what you are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
I am, via your post, alerted to the contingent solipsistic
tendency in meI have never shaken this since I was a small
child. But you
Thanks for explaining that in some detail. I think we go about connecting to
new posters in different and sometimes opposite ways. And I am using what your
way discovers about someone as I hope you are mine. I try for rapport an
common ground and you break rapport and see how they react.
Response: I never anticipated I would be on the receiving end of
a final knock-down argument like the one above. If I had known (I
should have) such an extraordinary summing up of myself
(negatively) were possible, don't worry, I would have STFU. But
you see, Turq, I thought it
In a little less severe terms, I think this nails it. OTOH, I have been
enjoying some of the other posts. But can anybody bite into this?
Jiminy Christmas.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
MZ, here's a free clue to explain to you why I got no more than
Are you incapable of snipping, or just plain lazy?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
Dear Rick,
If my
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
I am, via your post, alerted to the contingent solipsistic
tendency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
I might be
tempted to have a little Let's poke at the supposedly
enlightened person and see if there's really no self
in there or whether there's a really BIG one waiting
to lash out in defensiveness and anger fun with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
When they cross the line from relating a subjective
experience to making pronouncements about what that
experience means, and calling those pronouncements
truth, I might try to remind them that what they're
saying may be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
Thanks for explaining that in some detail. I think we go about
connecting to new posters in different and sometimes opposite ways. And
I am using what your way discovers about someone as I hope you are mine.
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
masked zebra wrote:
RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated
impeccably and infallibly that such a ground of all being even
exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the
Unfortunately, no time for much participation in these wonderful
discussions, but one quick point:
MZ, you seem to be evaluating enlightenment, Indian spirituality, etc., on
the basis of your experience of enlightenment. What makes you think your
experience was the real deal, and bears any
thx, MZ,...I agree with your overall perspective since it agrees with (imo -
seems to) with Nichiren's Buddhism. Main idea: Enlightenment is a process, not
an end-goal in itself.
...
If true, this pov would provide an alternative to much of Advaita (especially
MMY's brand), Neo-Advaita; but
yeah, I don't really write speculatively, so yeah, based on my experience. Some
people interpret stuff differently. Fine with me. I think you hit on something
when you mention having given up context when you gave up Enlightenment. There
is something to that, in that I must hold and identify an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
Dear Rick,
If my enlightenment was not the real deal, then in all that I say about
enlightenment, I will be revealing this discrepancy between my version of Unity
Consciousness and the real version. Somehow, if I was not in
masked zebra wrote:
RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated
impeccably and infallibly that such a ground of all being even
exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the embodiment of
such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I
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