[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
Some here were a bit skeptical that the Bush
administration would be so cynical as to try to
manipulate the British terrorist arrests in order
to use them against Democrats immediately
following Lieberman's embarrassing loss to Lamont
in Connecticut.

Sorry, guys, that's *exactly* what they did:

Source: U.S., U.K. at odds over timing of arrests 

British wanted to continue surveillance on terror suspects, official 
says

By Aram Roston, Lisa Myers, and the NBC News Investigative Unit 
NBC News

Updated: 8:13 p.m. ET Aug 12, 2006

LONDON - NBC News has learned that U.S. and British authorities had a 
significant disagreement over when to move in on the suspects in the 
alleged plot to bring down trans-Atlantic airliners bound for the 
United States. 

A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British 
police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least 
another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials 
pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The official spoke on 
condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.

In contrast to previous reports, the official suggested an attack was 
not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline 
tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.

The source did say, however, that police believe one U.K.-based 
suspect was ready to conduct a "dry run." British authorities had 
wanted to let him go forward with part of the plan, but the Americans 
balked.

Read more at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/11/06 12:13:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[MDixon wrote:]
> > All the programs the Bush  Administration was using like the NSA 
> > and Banking program of following money transactions were used 
> > in Great Britain to bust them.
> 
> You know all these  details?
> 
> No, not all. But these were covered yesterday on many different
> news  stories on NBC, CNBC, CNN, and FOX. The British had been 
> watching these 24 and I think they said others for quite some time 
> and they had been using the same program the NSA has been running 
> and also observing their banking transactions between Great Britain 
> and Pakistan and some other countries. The United States had 
> offered the British information on this group in the past two weeks 
> also. I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about this 
> before the  bust.

An update on this.  According to a story in today's
Washington Post, neither the Brits nor the Americans
utilized a warrantless wiretapping program to track
down the terrorist plotters:

http://tinyurl.com/o2p2e

So all the right-wing ranting and raving about how
these arrests showed that warrantless wiretrapping
was essential to prevent terrorist attacks was a
complete crock: we do NOT have to choose between the
rule of law and fighting terrorism.  We do NOT have
to give the executive unlimited, unrestrained power
in order to be protected.

The arrests also explode another right-wing myth,
that what the Times revealed about the warrantless
eavesdropping program damaged national security
by letting terrorists know they were being
surveilled, and that they would immediately change
the way they communicated so they couldn't be
detected.

And once again, just for the record: Republican
attempts to mislead and deceive the voters
notwithstanding, Democrats do NOT oppose secret
wiretapping or money-tracking in the interests of
national security.  To the contrary, they *advocate*
these measures as long as there is oversight--as
there was in the case of the British bombers.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > >  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened 
> with 
> > > the 
> > > > > JFK 
> > > > > > > assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people 
> > > believed 
> > > > > > > there was more than one shooter.  And then new 
> > sophisticated 
> > > > > > > computer models became available proving beyond a 
shadow 
> of 
> > > a 
> > > > > doubt 
> > > > > > > that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear 
any 
> > > more 
> > > > > > > theories about there being multiple shooters.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
> > > > > > doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
> > > > > > books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
> > > > > > out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
> > > > > > for October of this year.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> > > > > > multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one 
shooter".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nut cases continue to speculate.
> > > > 
> > > > Um, nope, not nutcases, sorry.
> > > > 
> > > > For example, here's a brief CV of the guy who wrote
> > > > the book coming out in October:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Depts/HIPS/kurtz.html
> > > > 
> > > > Link to his testimony before the Assassination Records
> > > > Review Board (an independent federal agency established
> > > > in 1992 by George H.W. Bush):
> > > > 
> > > > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index28.htm
> > > > 
> > > > He's been researching the assassination for 30 years.
> > > > He doesn't claim to have proved there was a 
> > > > conspiracy, but he can document that a great deal
> > > > of the evidence in the case has been covered up,
> > > > and he observes:  "If Oswald did it all by himself
> > > > as just a lone nut, there's no reason for national
> > > > security or anything else to cover up anything in
> > > > the case. But there has been a massive cover-up."
> > > > 
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/l6ek6
> > > > (Press release from Southern Louisiana University)
> > > 
> > > I haven't looked at or had the time to look at the links you 
> kindly 
> > > provided; however, let me reiterate that my comments were 
> > > specifically for the more-than-one-shooter theory and not the 
> more-
> > > than-one-conspiractor theory.
> > 
> > No need to backpedal, Shemp.  This "nut case"
> > believes there was more than one shooter.
> 
> Well, you're half right.

Be *real* careful not to read any of the links
I gave you.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > >  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened 
with 
> > the 
> > > > JFK 
> > > > > > assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people 
> > believed 
> > > > > > there was more than one shooter.  And then new 
> sophisticated 
> > > > > > computer models became available proving beyond a shadow 
of 
> > a 
> > > > doubt 
> > > > > > that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any 
> > more 
> > > > > > theories about there being multiple shooters.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
> > > > > doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
> > > > > books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
> > > > > out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
> > > > > for October of this year.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> > > > > multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> > > > 
> > > > Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> > > > 
> > > > Nut cases continue to speculate.
> > > 
> > > Um, nope, not nutcases, sorry.
> > > 
> > > For example, here's a brief CV of the guy who wrote
> > > the book coming out in October:
> > > 
> > > http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Depts/HIPS/kurtz.html
> > > 
> > > Link to his testimony before the Assassination Records
> > > Review Board (an independent federal agency established
> > > in 1992 by George H.W. Bush):
> > > 
> > > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index28.htm
> > > 
> > > He's been researching the assassination for 30 years.
> > > He doesn't claim to have proved there was a 
> > > conspiracy, but he can document that a great deal
> > > of the evidence in the case has been covered up,
> > > and he observes:  "If Oswald did it all by himself
> > > as just a lone nut, there's no reason for national
> > > security or anything else to cover up anything in
> > > the case. But there has been a massive cover-up."
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/l6ek6
> > > (Press release from Southern Louisiana University)
> > 
> > I haven't looked at or had the time to look at the links you 
kindly 
> > provided; however, let me reiterate that my comments were 
> > specifically for the more-than-one-shooter theory and not the 
more-
> > than-one-conspiractor theory.
> 
> No need to backpedal, Shemp.  This "nut case"
> believes there was more than one shooter.


Well, you're half right.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

> > Have they been concerned yet? All they do is say its freedom of
> > the press and the people have a right to know and then become 
> > heroes to the left who support them..
> 
> As I said, the NYT held off on publishing Abu Ghraib details at he
> request of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

You said *Sy Hersh* did.  Hersh's report was published
in The New Yorker, not The New York Times.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with 
> the 
> > > JFK 
> > > > > assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people 
> believed 
> > > > > there was more than one shooter.  And then new 
sophisticated 
> > > > > computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of 
> a 
> > > doubt 
> > > > > that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any 
> more 
> > > > > theories about there being multiple shooters.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
> > > > doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
> > > > books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
> > > > out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
> > > > for October of this year.
> > > > 
> > > > You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> > > > multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> > > 
> > > Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> > > 
> > > Nut cases continue to speculate.
> > 
> > Um, nope, not nutcases, sorry.
> > 
> > For example, here's a brief CV of the guy who wrote
> > the book coming out in October:
> > 
> > http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Depts/HIPS/kurtz.html
> > 
> > Link to his testimony before the Assassination Records
> > Review Board (an independent federal agency established
> > in 1992 by George H.W. Bush):
> > 
> > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index28.htm
> > 
> > He's been researching the assassination for 30 years.
> > He doesn't claim to have proved there was a 
> > conspiracy, but he can document that a great deal
> > of the evidence in the case has been covered up,
> > and he observes:  "If Oswald did it all by himself
> > as just a lone nut, there's no reason for national
> > security or anything else to cover up anything in
> > the case. But there has been a massive cover-up."
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/l6ek6
> > (Press release from Southern Louisiana University)
> 
> I haven't looked at or had the time to look at the links you kindly 
> provided; however, let me reiterate that my comments were 
> specifically for the more-than-one-shooter theory and not the more-
> than-one-conspiractor theory.

No need to backpedal, Shemp.  This "nut case"
believes there was more than one shooter.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> > 
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > >wrote:
> 
> > >> You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> > >> multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> > >
> > > Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> > >
> > > Nut cases continue to speculate.
> > >
> > So you are continuing to speculate.
> 
> These thorny questions that bedevil most people
> are no problem for Shemp.  He just defines his
> terms to yield an unequivocal answer.  In this
> case, he defines as "nut cases" those who continue
> to speculate, and "reasonable people" as those
> who accept the Official Version.
> 
> I mean, that's really convincing, isn't it?
>

For Shemp...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> > > this before the  bust.
> > 
> > How do you know it didn't?
> 
> 
> ...because they didn't let the cat out of the bag...
>

When do they do that with matters of national security?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/11/06 9:26:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > It  probably would have been on their front pages today saying they
> > did  know but held it back for the sake of all the people.
> 
> And be threatened  with an investigation and
> prosecution if it didn't reveal its  sources?
> Are you kidding?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Have they been concerned yet? All they do is say its freedom of the press  
> and the people have a right to know and then become heroes to the left who  
> support them..
>

As I said, the NYT held off on publishing Abu Ghraib details at he request of 
the Chairman 
of the Joint Chiefs.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> 
> > I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> > this before the  bust.
> 
> How do you know it didn't?
>
 
Sy Hersch delayed his publication of details on the Abu Ghraib probe at the 
request of the 
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Guess he didn't know that.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> > > > > this before the  bust.
> > > > 
> > > > How do you know it didn't?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ...because they didn't let the cat out of the bag...
> > 
> > Another variation on the Anticult Fallacy.
> 
> Well, gee, what's the Times' record on exposing state secrets?

You mean, how many times has the Times refrained
from publishing sensitive information?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> > 
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > >wrote:
> 
> > >> You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> > >> multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> > >
> > > Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> > >
> > > Nut cases continue to speculate.
> > >
> > So you are continuing to speculate.
> 
> These thorny questions that bedevil most people
> are no problem for Shemp.  He just defines his
> terms to yield an unequivocal answer.  In this
> case, he defines as "nut cases" those who continue
> to speculate, and "reasonable people" as those
> who accept the Official Version.
> 
> I mean, that's really convincing, isn't it?


I'm an answer in search of an explanation.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> >wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with the 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >JFK 
> >  
> >
> >>>assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people believed 
> >>>there was more than one shooter.  And then new sophisticated 
> >>>computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of a 
> >>>  
> >>>
> >doubt 
> >  
> >
> >>>that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any more 
> >>>theories about there being multiple shooters.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
> >>doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
> >>books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
> >>out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
> >>for October of this year.
> >>
> >>You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> >>multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> >
> >Nut cases continue to speculate.
> >
> So you are continuing to speculate.
>

Oh, what a comeback!

You're a comedic genius, Bhairitu!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with 
the 
> > JFK 
> > > > assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people 
believed 
> > > > there was more than one shooter.  And then new sophisticated 
> > > > computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of 
a 
> > doubt 
> > > > that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any 
more 
> > > > theories about there being multiple shooters.
> > > 
> > > Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
> > > doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
> > > books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
> > > out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
> > > for October of this year.
> > > 
> > > You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> > > multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> > 
> > Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> > 
> > Nut cases continue to speculate.
> 
> Um, nope, not nutcases, sorry.
> 
> For example, here's a brief CV of the guy who wrote
> the book coming out in October:
> 
> http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Depts/HIPS/kurtz.html
> 
> Link to his testimony before the Assassination Records
> Review Board (an independent federal agency established
> in 1992 by George H.W. Bush):
> 
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index28.htm
> 
> He's been researching the assassination for 30 years.
> He doesn't claim to have proved there was a 
> conspiracy, but he can document that a great deal
> of the evidence in the case has been covered up,
> and he observes:  "If Oswald did it all by himself
> as just a lone nut, there's no reason for national
> security or anything else to cover up anything in
> the case. But there has been a massive cover-up."
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/l6ek6
> (Press release from Southern Louisiana University)



I haven't looked at or had the time to look at the links you kindly 
provided; however, let me reiterate that my comments were 
specifically for the more-than-one-shooter theory and not the more-
than-one-conspiractor theory.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> > > > this before the  bust.
> > > 
> > > How do you know it didn't?
> > 
> > 
> > ...because they didn't let the cat out of the bag...
> 
> Another variation on the Anticult Fallacy.


Well, gee, what's the Times' record on exposing state secrets?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> >wrote:

> >> You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> >> multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> >
> > Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> >
> > Nut cases continue to speculate.
> >
> So you are continuing to speculate.

These thorny questions that bedevil most people
are no problem for Shemp.  He just defines his
terms to yield an unequivocal answer.  In this
case, he defines as "nut cases" those who continue
to speculate, and "reasonable people" as those
who accept the Official Version.

I mean, that's really convincing, isn't it?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/11/06 12:13:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Very  serious. They were days away from doing it. They were getting 
ready for 
>  
> > a test run. The same plan Al Qaeda attempted but failed over the  
Pacific 
> > from the Philippines before 911. All the programs the Bush  
Administration 
> was 
> > using like the NSA and Banking program of  following money 
transactions 
> were used 
> > in Great Britain to bust  them.
> 
> You know all these  details?
> 
> No, not all. But these were covered yesterday on many different 
news  stories 
> on NBC, CNBC, CNN, and FOX. The British had been watching these 24 
and I  
> think they said others for quite some time and they had been using 
the same  
> program the NSA has been running and also observing their banking 
transactions  
> between Great Britain and Pakistan and some other countries. The 
United States  
> had offered the British information on this group in the past two 
weeks also.  

Oh, BTW, the Brits were first tipped off to the plot
by a British *Muslim* who had become concerned after
the July 7 subway bombings about the activities of
some people he knew in the Muslim community.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>  
>
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with the 
>>>  
>>>
>JFK 
>  
>
>>>assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people believed 
>>>there was more than one shooter.  And then new sophisticated 
>>>computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of a 
>>>  
>>>
>doubt 
>  
>
>>>that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any more 
>>>theories about there being multiple shooters.
>>>  
>>>
>>Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
>>doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
>>books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
>>out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
>>for October of this year.
>>
>>You "don't hear any more theories about there being
>>multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
>>
>>
>
>
>Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
>
>Nut cases continue to speculate.
>
So you are continuing to speculate.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with the 
> JFK 
> > > assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people believed 
> > > there was more than one shooter.  And then new sophisticated 
> > > computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of a 
> doubt 
> > > that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any more 
> > > theories about there being multiple shooters.
> > 
> > Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
> > doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
> > books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
> > out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
> > for October of this year.
> > 
> > You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> > multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.
> 
> Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".
> 
> Nut cases continue to speculate.

Um, nope, not nutcases, sorry.

For example, here's a brief CV of the guy who wrote
the book coming out in October:

http://www2.selu.edu/Academics/Depts/HIPS/kurtz.html

Link to his testimony before the Assassination Records
Review Board (an independent federal agency established
in 1992 by George H.W. Bush):

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/arrb/index28.htm

He's been researching the assassination for 30 years.
He doesn't claim to have proved there was a 
conspiracy, but he can document that a great deal
of the evidence in the case has been covered up,
and he observes:  "If Oswald did it all by himself
as just a lone nut, there's no reason for national
security or anything else to cover up anything in
the case. But there has been a massive cover-up."

http://tinyurl.com/l6ek6
(Press release from Southern Louisiana University)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/11/06 9:26:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > It  probably would have been on their front pages today saying 
they
> > did  know but held it back for the sake of all the people.
> 
> And be threatened  with an investigation and
> prosecution if it didn't reveal its  sources?
> Are you kidding?
> 
> Have they been concerned yet? All they do is say its freedom of the 
> press and the people have a right to know and then become heroes to 
> the left who support them.

*Of course* they're concerned.  And what do you mean
"yet"?  This attempt to throttle the press through
prosecution is brand new.  Of course they're going to
defend what they've already done; the question is
whether they have the intestinal fortitude to do it
again knowing the likely consequences.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> > > this before the  bust.
> > 
> > How do you know it didn't?
> 
> 
> ...because they didn't let the cat out of the bag...

Another variation on the Anticult Fallacy.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with the 
JFK 
> > assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people believed 
> > there was more than one shooter.  And then new sophisticated 
> > computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of a 
doubt 
> > that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any more 
> > theories about there being multiple shooters.
> 
> Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
> doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
> books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
> out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
> for October of this year.
> 
> You "don't hear any more theories about there being
> multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.


Reasonable people accept and close the book on "one shooter".

Nut cases continue to speculate.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> 
> > I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> > this before the  bust.
> 
> How do you know it didn't?


...because they didn't let the cat out of the bag...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/11/06 9:26:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It 
  probably would have been on their front pages today saying they> did 
  know but held it back for the sake of all the people.And be threatened 
  with an investigation andprosecution if it didn't reveal its 
  sources?Are you kidding?

Have they been concerned yet? All they do is say its freedom of the press 
and the people have a right to know and then become heroes to the left who 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/11/06 8:08:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > I'm  just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> > this before the  bust.
> 
> How do you know it didn't?
> 
> It probably would have been on their front pages today saying they
> did know but held it back for the sake of all the people.

And be threatened with an investigation and
prosecution if it didn't reveal its sources?
Are you kidding?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with the JFK 
> assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people believed 
> there was more than one shooter.  And then new sophisticated 
> computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of a doubt 
> that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any more 
> theories about there being multiple shooters.

Well, no, there was no "proof beyond a shadow of a
doubt," and the controversy continues.  A bunch of
books arguing against the lone-gunman theory came 
out last year, and at least one more is scheduled
for October of this year.

You "don't hear any more theories about there being
multiple shooters" only if you aren't listening.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The speculation has already been made that Lieberman probably would
> have one his primary had this happened before voters in 
> Connecticut went to the polls so the timing theory is all wet.

Not necessarily.  Lieberman is at least as useful
to the administration and Republicans as a symbol
of extreme left-wingers having purportedly taken
over the Democratic Party and proceeding to "purge"
all those who support the Iraq war.

Never mind that a significant majority of the
American people agree with those "extreme left-
wingers."  Never mind that there are other
Democrats who support the war who aren't being
"purged."  Never mind that the Iraq war has
nothing to do with this terrorist plot having
been busted.  And never mind that most experts
on terrorism think the Iraq war has made us
*more* vulnerable to terrorism, not less.

The Republican Party is desperate.  Its only
hope for 2006 (and 2008) is to try to make voters
believe the Democrats are "soft" on national
security.

With regard to the timing, from the Washington
Post today:

"Some U.S. counterterrorism officials said plans originally were to 
allow the conspiracy to develop even further. But U.S. and British 
investigators made a sudden decision this week to close down the 
operation after they became increasingly worried that there were 
other bombers they had been unable to locate or identify, U.S. 
officials said."

http://tinyurl.com/o7qse

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/11/06 8:08:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm 
  just glad the New York Times didn't hear about> this before the 
  bust.How do you know it didn't?

It probably would have been on their front pages today saying they did know 
but held it back for the sake of all the people.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/11/06 2:13:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
These 
  conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with the JFK 
  assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people believed there 
  was more than one shooter. And then new sophisticated computer models 
  became available proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald was the 
  lone gunman. Now you don't hear any more theories about there being 
  multiple shooters.

Yes, I think conspiracy theories usually are for people with too much time 
on their hands. They can be entertaining.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
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> I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about
> this before the  bust.

How do you know it didn't?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/11/06 12:13:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Very 
  serious. They were days away from doing it. They were getting ready for 
  > a test run. The same plan Al Qaeda attempted but failed over the 
  Pacific > from the Philippines before 911. All the programs the Bush 
  Administration was > using like the NSA and Banking program of 
  following money transactions were used > in Great Britain to bust 
  them.>You know all these 
details?

No, not all. But these were covered yesterday on many different news 
stories on NBC, CNBC, CNN, and FOX. The British had been watching these 24 and I 
think they said others for quite some time and they had been using the same 
program the NSA has been running and also observing their banking transactions 
between Great Britain and Pakistan and some other countries. The United States 
had offered the British information on this group in the past two weeks also. 
I'm just glad the New York Times didn't hear about this before the 
bust.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> >In a message dated 8/10/06 9:03:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >That's  why I don't trust this alert 
> >especially due to it's  timing.
> >
> >
> >
> >What about the timing?
> >
> 1. BP in trouble for screwing up the Alaskan pipeline.   They've 
> had record profits and it certainly wouldn't have hurt them at all 
> to keep that system up.  They have a special robot to check the 
> pipeline but they hadn't used it in 14 years!  That will cause a 
> rise in gas prices that is unnecessary and people are pissed about 
> it and it wouldn't take much to either a) demand a big fine on BP 
> for their screw-up or b) break up the company or c) nationalize 
> it.  That sentiment is rising in this country and this alert took 
attention on that off track.
> 
> 2. Lieberman losing the election in Connecticut which could result 
> in a snowball effect where the house and senate would be cleaned of 
> Republicans.   The alert distracts from that.
> 
> 3. Distracts from the failure in Iraq.
> 
> 4. Distracts from the Israeli fiasco in Lebanon.
> 
> 5. Tom Ridge said the alerts were at the request of the White House 
> and most were fake and made no sense.  I don't trust the Bush crime 
> family one bit.

Mainly #2, which is closely related to #3.  The
Republican strategy is to turn the Lieberman fiasco
into a symbol of the Democrats' purported opposition
to the "war on terror."

The administration knew about this plot for some time.
The remarks of Cheney and Bush and other Republicans
on Lieberman's defeat were clearly coordinated with
the leaks of the plot.  Almost certainly, the leaks
to the news media were timed to reinforce the notion
that Democrats are "soft" on national security in
light of Lieberman's defeat.

Which is, of course, a load of crap.  The plot was
uncovered by police work, which is what Democrats
advocate as the primary weapon against terror, as
opposed to war and "regime change."  Plus which,
the Democrats have been pushing for measures to
protect against this kind of terrorism (as opposed
to the idiotic "take the fight to the terrorists")
and have been blocked by the Republicans almost
every time.




> 
> And remember:
> "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little 
> security will deserve neither and lose both."
> - Benjamin Franklin
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > scienceofabundance wrote:
> 
> > >But, aren't you both assuming that neither of you is assuming 
> > >the "official" 9-11 investigation was, in reality, carried out 
under 
> > >the assumption (or at least the assumption of the two of you) 
that 
> > >the "official story" was NOT actually an inside job (assuming  
of 
> > >course that you have agreed to assume the recent alert was (at 
least 
> > >I assume it was) an "official" official alert, which is true 
> > >regardless of whether or not the independent alert was or was 
not an 
> > >inside job? You both would agree with this, I assume?
> > >
> > Cute obfuscation.  Let's see if you can write that more 
> > straightforward.  Maybe Judy can help you.  :)
> 
> Sorry, I've read it three times, and I haven't
> a clue!



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> scienceofabundance wrote:

> >But, aren't you both assuming that neither of you is assuming 
> >the "official" 9-11 investigation was, in reality, carried out under 
> >the assumption (or at least the assumption of the two of you) that 
> >the "official story" was NOT actually an inside job (assuming  of 
> >course that you have agreed to assume the recent alert was (at least 
> >I assume it was) an "official" official alert, which is true 
> >regardless of whether or not the independent alert was or was not an 
> >inside job? You both would agree with this, I assume?
> >
> Cute obfuscation.  Let's see if you can write that more 
> straightforward.  Maybe Judy can help you.  :)

Sorry, I've read it three times, and I haven't
a clue!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> >In a message dated 8/10/06 9:03:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >That's  why I don't trust this alert 
> >especially due to it's  timing.
> >
> >
> >
> >What about the timing?
> >
> 1. BP in trouble for screwing up the Alaskan pipeline.   They've 
had 
> record profits and it certainly wouldn't have hurt them at all to 
keep 
> that system up.  They have a special robot to check the pipeline 
but 
> they hadn't used it in 14 years!  That will cause a rise in gas 
prices 
> that is unnecessary and people are pissed about it and it wouldn't 
take 
> much to either a) demand a big fine on BP for their screw-up or b) 
break 
> up the company or c) nationalize it.  That sentiment is rising in 
this 
> country and this alert took attention on that off track.


Nationalize a private company?  In America?

Where do you live...Cuba?  Quebec?




> 
> 2. Lieberman losing the election in Connecticut which could result 
in a 
> snowball effect where the house and senate would be cleaned of 
> Republicans.   The alert distracts from that.
> 
> 3. Distracts from the failure in Iraq.
> 
> 4. Distracts from the Israeli fiasco in Lebanon.
> 
> 5. Tom Ridge said the alerts were at the request of the White 
House and 
> most were fake and made no sense.  I don't trust the Bush crime 
family 
> one bit.
> 
> And remember:
> "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little 
> security will deserve neither and lose both."
> - Benjamin Franklin
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > MDixon6569@ wrote:
> 
> ---snip---
> > >
> > >No , you missed it. "my point"  was had the terrorist been 
> successful  you 
> > >would have been demanding another investigation as to how this 
> could happen,  as 
> > >you just did, see above. As for me, I thought the official 911 
> investigation  
> > >was simply  a political circus. And no I don't think this is a 
> setup  but I'm 
> > >sure you are going to wish it were.
> > >
> > No, you are *assuming* why I want an independent 9-11 
> investigation.  I 
> > think the "official story" is a cover-up and 9-11 was an inside 
> job and 
> > a failed false flag operation.  That's why I don't trust this 
> alert 
> > especially due to it's timing.
> >
> But, aren't you both assuming that neither of you is assuming 
> the "official" 9-11 investigation was, in reality, carried out 
under 
> the assumption (or at least the assumption of the two of you) that 
> the "official story" was NOT actually an inside job (assuming  of 
> course that you have agreed to assume the recent alert was (at 
least 
> I assume it was) an "official" official alert, which is true 
> regardless of whether or not the independent alert was or was not 
an 
> inside job? You both would agree with this, I assume?
>

I think you know what I think you said...but I'm not sure that you 
know that what I said was not what I meant...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:

> > Very serious. They were days away from doing it. They were 
> > getting ready  for a test run. The same plan Al Qaeda attempted 
> > but failed over the Pacific from the Philippines before 911. All 
> > the programs the Bush Administration was using like the NSA and 
> > Banking program of following money transactions were used in 
> > Great Britain to bust them.
> 
> You know all these details?

I've read everything he says except for the last
sentence; I haven't seen anything yet about what
the means were of uncovering the plot.  There is
some disagreement about just how close they were
to carrying it out; some of the folks leaking this
stuff are contradicting each other.  The media
generally are playing up the idea that they were
"days away" from implementing it, but of course
that's more sensational.

Apparently a lot of the specific information came
from arrests made in Pakistan, but it's not clear
yet how the Pakistanis knew to arrest the guys.

BTW, nobody *objects* to the NSA program or the
banking program, of course, only to their being
used without proper judicial oversight.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-11 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/10/06 8:33:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> >>So you weren't pulling for an independent investigation of  911?
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >An independent investigation  of 9-11 would be great and is very 
needed.
> >
> >
> > 
> >My  point
> >
> And so you don't believe the "official version" either and  also 
admit 
> that this alert might be bogus or a  setup?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No , you missed it. "my point"  was had the terrorist been 
successful  you 
> would have been demanding another investigation as to how this 
could happen,  as 
> you just did, see above. As for me, I thought the official 911 
investigation  
> was simply  a political circus. And no I don't think this is a 
setup  but I'm 
> sure you are going to wish it were.
>


These conspiracy theorists remind me of what happened with the JFK 
assassination: for about 35 years, a great many people believed 
there was more than one shooter.  And then new sophisticated 
computer models became available proving beyond a shadow of a doubt 
that Oswald was the lone gunman.  Now you don't hear any more 
theories about there being multiple shooters.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have 
> guessed 
> > > it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the people 
> in fear 
> > > to control them. So how many days until we learn this plot was 
> bogus?   
> > > And such mindless security, not allowing liquids, lipstick, 
> chapstick.  
> > > I'm surprised they don't take away your car keys.  I learned how 
> slit an 
> > > attackers throat with a car key in a corporate defense class that 
> many 
> > > have taken nationwide.  Oh well, better not give them any ideas.
> > > 
> > > We know who the real terrorists are anyway: the ones in the White 
> House.
> > >
> > 
> > We were listening to NPR this morning. 21 alleged terrorists with a 
> sophisticated plan with 
> > the earmarks of Al Qaeda? Talk about a wag-the-dog scenario.
> > 
> > I mean, the news said everyone was "home-grown." That's not Al 
> Qaeda. The news said 
> > they had the ring-leaders in custody (meaning THEY were home-
> grown). That's 
> > DEFINITELY not Al Qaeda.
> > 
> > There may or may not be some link, but it's sure not a solid one or 
> they wouldn't be so 
> > wishy-washy in what they told the press...
> 
> Expertise and financing, perhaps, from al Qaeda,
> with the planning and execution done by the
> homegrown guys?
>

Perhaps, but something smells funny, IMHO...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/10/06 6:04:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> While  some of the previous alerts appeared on the
> surface to be a bit  questionable or perhaps overdone,
> this seems to quite  serious.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Very serious. They were days away from doing it. They were getting ready  for 
> a test run. The same plan Al Qaeda attempted but failed over the Pacific  
> from the Philippines before 911. All the programs the Bush Administration was 
>  
> using like the NSA and Banking program of following money transactions were 
> used 
>  in Great Britain to bust them.
>

You know all these details?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 

> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you 
have 
> > > > > guessed it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta 
keep the 
> > > > > people in fear to control them. So how many days until we 
learn 
> > > > > this plot was bogus?
> > > > 
> > > > This one was almost certainly for real.  It'll be
> > > > *exploited* up the wazoo, though.
> > > >
> > > > > And such mindless security, not allowing liquids
> > > > 
> > > > Supposedly the explosives that were to be used were
> > > > in liquid form.  There was one plot to blow up planes
> > > > awhile back that planned on using an explosive liquid
> > > > in a bottle of contact lens cleaning solution.
> > > > 
> > > > > lipstick, chapstick
> > > > 
> > > > And you could easily disguise plastic explosive as
> > > > lipstick and Chapstick, so that makes sense too.
> > > > 
> > > > The real idiocy is the administration's attempt to
> > > > use this plot to justify the Iraq war.  These
> > > > terrorists were home-grown Brits, for pete's sake.
> > > > 
> > > > For the cost of a couple of days' worth of the war
> > > > in Iraq, we could outfit all our airports with
> > > > scanners that detect explosives (only a few have
> > > > them now).
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Kinda like the TMO wasting their time creating, marketing and 
> > > distributing MAPI products.  For all the time and effort put 
into 
> > > it, thousands could have been taught TM.
> > >
> > 
> > MAPI turns a profit and these days, most US MAPI employees are
> probably non-TMers. 
> > How is this a waste of TMO time, etc?
> >
> 
> They can't afford TM? They always want to take side trips to titty 
bars? 
> 
> JohnY>>

More Roos should take side trips to titty bars. It will relax them.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread Bhairitu
scienceofabundance wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>
>
>---snip---
>  
>
>>>No , you missed it. "my point"  was had the terrorist been 
>>>  
>>>
>successful  you 
>  
>
>>>would have been demanding another investigation as to how this 
>>>  
>>>
>could happen,  as 
>  
>
>>>you just did, see above. As for me, I thought the official 911 
>>>  
>>>
>investigation  
>  
>
>>>was simply  a political circus. And no I don't think this is a 
>>>  
>>>
>setup  but I'm 
>  
>
>>>sure you are going to wish it were.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>No, you are *assuming* why I want an independent 9-11 
>>
>>
>investigation.  I 
>  
>
>>think the "official story" is a cover-up and 9-11 was an inside 
>>
>>
>job and 
>  
>
>>a failed false flag operation.  That's why I don't trust this 
>>
>>
>alert 
>  
>
>>especially due to it's timing.
>>
>>
>>
>But, aren't you both assuming that neither of you is assuming 
>the "official" 9-11 investigation was, in reality, carried out under 
>the assumption (or at least the assumption of the two of you) that 
>the "official story" was NOT actually an inside job (assuming  of 
>course that you have agreed to assume the recent alert was (at least 
>I assume it was) an "official" official alert, which is true 
>regardless of whether or not the independent alert was or was not an 
>inside job? You both would agree with this, I assume?
>
Cute obfuscation.  Let's see if you can write that more 
straightforward.  Maybe Judy can help you.  :)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 8/10/06 9:11:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED].> wrote:>> [EMAIL PROTECTED].. 
  wrote:---snip---> >> >No , you missed it. "my 
  point" was had the terrorist been successful you > >would have 
  been demanding another investigation as to how this could happen, as 
  > >you just did, see above. As for me, I thought the official 911 
  investigation > >was simply a political circus. And no I don't 
  think this is a setup but I'm > >sure you are going to wish it 
  were.> >> No, you are *assuming* why I want an independent 
  9-11 investigation. I > think the "official story" is a cover-up 
  and 9-11 was an inside job and > a failed false flag operation. 
  That's why I don't trust this alert > especially due to it's 
  timing.>But, aren't you both assuming that neither of you is 
  assuming the "official" 9-11 investigation was, in reality, carried out 
  under the assumption (or at least the assumption of the two of you) that 
  the "official story" was NOT actually an inside job (assuming of 
  course that you have agreed to assume the recent alert was (at least I 
  assume it was) an "official" official alert, which is true regardless of 
  whether or not the independent alert was or was not an inside job? You 
  both would agree with this, I 
assume?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread scienceofabundance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

---snip---
> >
> >No , you missed it. "my point"  was had the terrorist been 
successful  you 
> >would have been demanding another investigation as to how this 
could happen,  as 
> >you just did, see above. As for me, I thought the official 911 
investigation  
> >was simply  a political circus. And no I don't think this is a 
setup  but I'm 
> >sure you are going to wish it were.
> >
> No, you are *assuming* why I want an independent 9-11 
investigation.  I 
> think the "official story" is a cover-up and 9-11 was an inside 
job and 
> a failed false flag operation.  That's why I don't trust this 
alert 
> especially due to it's timing.
>
But, aren't you both assuming that neither of you is assuming 
the "official" 9-11 investigation was, in reality, carried out under 
the assumption (or at least the assumption of the two of you) that 
the "official story" was NOT actually an inside job (assuming  of 
course that you have agreed to assume the recent alert was (at least 
I assume it was) an "official" official alert, which is true 
regardless of whether or not the independent alert was or was not an 
inside job? You both would agree with this, I assume?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have 
guessed 
> > it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the people 
in fear 
> > to control them. So how many days until we learn this plot was 
bogus?   
> > And such mindless security, not allowing liquids, lipstick, 
chapstick.  
> > I'm surprised they don't take away your car keys.  I learned how 
slit an 
> > attackers throat with a car key in a corporate defense class that 
many 
> > have taken nationwide.  Oh well, better not give them any ideas.
> > 
> > We know who the real terrorists are anyway: the ones in the White 
House.
> >
> 
> We were listening to NPR this morning. 21 alleged terrorists with a 
sophisticated plan with 
> the earmarks of Al Qaeda? Talk about a wag-the-dog scenario.
> 
> I mean, the news said everyone was "home-grown." That's not Al 
Qaeda. The news said 
> they had the ring-leaders in custody (meaning THEY were home-
grown). That's 
> DEFINITELY not Al Qaeda.
> 
> There may or may not be some link, but it's sure not a solid one or 
they wouldn't be so 
> wishy-washy in what they told the press...

Expertise and financing, perhaps, from al Qaeda,
with the planning and execution done by the
homegrown guys?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have 
> > > > guessed it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the 
> > > > people in fear to control them. So how many days until we learn 
> > > > this plot was bogus?
> > > 
> > > This one was almost certainly for real.  It'll be
> > > *exploited* up the wazoo, though.
> > >
> > > > And such mindless security, not allowing liquids
> > > 
> > > Supposedly the explosives that were to be used were
> > > in liquid form.  There was one plot to blow up planes
> > > awhile back that planned on using an explosive liquid
> > > in a bottle of contact lens cleaning solution.
> > > 
> > > > lipstick, chapstick
> > > 
> > > And you could easily disguise plastic explosive as
> > > lipstick and Chapstick, so that makes sense too.
> > > 
> > > The real idiocy is the administration's attempt to
> > > use this plot to justify the Iraq war.  These
> > > terrorists were home-grown Brits, for pete's sake.
> > > 
> > > For the cost of a couple of days' worth of the war
> > > in Iraq, we could outfit all our airports with
> > > scanners that detect explosives (only a few have
> > > them now).
> > >
> > 
> > Kinda like the TMO wasting their time creating, marketing and 
> > distributing MAPI products.  For all the time and effort put into 
> > it, thousands could have been taught TM.
> >
> 
> MAPI turns a profit and these days, most US MAPI employees are
probably non-TMers. 
> How is this a waste of TMO time, etc?
>

They can't afford TM? They always want to take side trips to titty bars? 

JohnY 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have 
> > > guessed it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the 
> > > people in fear to control them. So how many days until we learn 
> > > this plot was bogus?
> > 
> > This one was almost certainly for real.  It'll be
> > *exploited* up the wazoo, though.
> >
> > > And such mindless security, not allowing liquids
> > 
> > Supposedly the explosives that were to be used were
> > in liquid form.  There was one plot to blow up planes
> > awhile back that planned on using an explosive liquid
> > in a bottle of contact lens cleaning solution.
> > 
> > > lipstick, chapstick
> > 
> > And you could easily disguise plastic explosive as
> > lipstick and Chapstick, so that makes sense too.
> > 
> > The real idiocy is the administration's attempt to
> > use this plot to justify the Iraq war.  These
> > terrorists were home-grown Brits, for pete's sake.
> > 
> > For the cost of a couple of days' worth of the war
> > in Iraq, we could outfit all our airports with
> > scanners that detect explosives (only a few have
> > them now).
> >
> 
> Kinda like the TMO wasting their time creating, marketing and 
> distributing MAPI products.  For all the time and effort put into 
> it, thousands could have been taught TM.
>

MAPI turns a profit and these days, most US MAPI employees are probably 
non-TMers. 
How is this a waste of TMO time, etc?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have 
> > guessed it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the 
> > people in fear to control them. So how many days until we learn 
> > this plot was bogus?
> 
> This one was almost certainly for real.  It'll be
> *exploited* up the wazoo, though.
>
> > And such mindless security, not allowing liquids
> 
> Supposedly the explosives that were to be used were
> in liquid form.  There was one plot to blow up planes
> awhile back that planned on using an explosive liquid
> in a bottle of contact lens cleaning solution.
> 
> > lipstick, chapstick
> 
> And you could easily disguise plastic explosive as
> lipstick and Chapstick, so that makes sense too.
> 
> The real idiocy is the administration's attempt to
> use this plot to justify the Iraq war.  These
> terrorists were home-grown Brits, for pete's sake.
> 
> For the cost of a couple of days' worth of the war
> in Iraq, we could outfit all our airports with
> scanners that detect explosives (only a few have
> them now).
>

Kinda like the TMO wasting their time creating, marketing and 
distributing MAPI products.  For all the time and effort put into 
it, thousands could have been taught TM.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 8/10/06 3:18:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
>  
> In a message dated 8/10/06 2:25:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   writes:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>And had the plot not been foiled  and had succeeded you would be the very 
> >> 
> >>
> >one  
> > 
> >
> >>demanding an investigation as how this could have  happened and why 
> >>passengers weren't warned and searched better.  Damn those terrorists! They 
> >> 
> >>
> >just screw  
> > 
> >
> >>everything up!
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >Nonsense, I'm smarted than  that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >No you're not.
> >
> How  would you know? You're just be pretentious and not very smart  yourself.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> So you weren't pulling for an independent investigation of  911?
>

You've you've heard about the new book by the Republican and Democratic head of 
the 
9/11 Commission, right?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14191255/

""Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, 
but it 
could not explain why all of the after-action reports, accident investigations 
and public 
testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was 
untrue," the 
book states."








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have guessed 
> it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the people in fear 
> to control them. So how many days until we learn this plot was bogus?   
> And such mindless security, not allowing liquids, lipstick, chapstick.  
> I'm surprised they don't take away your car keys.  I learned how slit an 
> attackers throat with a car key in a corporate defense class that many 
> have taken nationwide.  Oh well, better not give them any ideas.
> 
> We know who the real terrorists are anyway: the ones in the White House.
>

We were listening to NPR this morning. 21 alleged terrorists with a 
sophisticated plan with 
the earmarks of Al Qaeda? Talk about a wag-the-dog scenario.

I mean, the news said everyone was "home-grown." That's not Al Qaeda. The news 
said 
they had the ring-leaders in custody (meaning THEY were home-grown). That's 
DEFINITELY not Al Qaeda.

There may or may not be some link, but it's sure not a solid one or they 
wouldn't be so 
wishy-washy in what they told the press...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have 
>>guessed it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the 
>>people in fear to control them. So how many days until we learn 
>>this plot was bogus?
>>
>>
>
>This one was almost certainly for real.  It'll be
>*exploited* up the wazoo, though.
>   
>  
>
>>And such mindless security, not allowing liquids
>>
>>
>
>Supposedly the explosives that were to be used were
>in liquid form.  There was one plot to blow up planes
>awhile back that planned on using an explosive liquid
>in a bottle of contact lens cleaning solution.
>
>  
>
>>lipstick, chapstick
>>
>>
>
>And you could easily disguise plastic explosive as
>lipstick and Chapstick, so that makes sense too.
>
>The real idiocy is the administration's attempt to
>use this plot to justify the Iraq war.  These
>terrorists were home-grown Brits, for pete's sake.
>
>For the cost of a couple of days' worth of the war
>in Iraq, we could outfit all our airports with
>scanners that detect explosives (only a few have
>them now).
>
It's hard to convince me that any of these plots are real.  If they are 
they were probably tricked by black ops.   They are going to make 
traveling so inconvenient that you will probably check in at the  
airport and then be locked into some kind of cage and loaded on to the 
plane.  All this because of the hysteria and gullibility of the American 
sheeple.  Maybe they will make us all fly nude, perish the thought. :)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Ridiculous Alert Circus

2006-08-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Things aren't looking good for the Rethugs so wouldn't you have 
> guessed it another ridiculous "terrorist" alert.  Gotta keep the 
> people in fear to control them. So how many days until we learn 
> this plot was bogus?

This one was almost certainly for real.  It'll be
*exploited* up the wazoo, though.
   
> And such mindless security, not allowing liquids

Supposedly the explosives that were to be used were
in liquid form.  There was one plot to blow up planes
awhile back that planned on using an explosive liquid
in a bottle of contact lens cleaning solution.

> lipstick, chapstick

And you could easily disguise plastic explosive as
lipstick and Chapstick, so that makes sense too.

The real idiocy is the administration's attempt to
use this plot to justify the Iraq war.  These
terrorists were home-grown Brits, for pete's sake.

For the cost of a couple of days' worth of the war
in Iraq, we could outfit all our airports with
scanners that detect explosives (only a few have
them now).







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