[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings: As Ramana melted within Arunachala obedient and surrendered and never did he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever a thought of leaving. Ron, As sweet as you seem to be, and as inspired as you obviously are by your new path, this is all starting to get really repetitive and tiresome and well, somebody's got to say so. You seem to get a bit compulsive with your post- ing whenever anyone around here suggests that one doesn't need a guru. You launch into post after post after post after post telling us what my guru and Ramana and any other authority figure you can think of says about such things. Give it a rest already. The person who needs a guru is YOU, dude. You can't say two sentences without invoking the holy words My guru says... in front of some sentence. And frankly, if you are the *product* of finding a guru, I want nothing to do with it. I kinda prefer having my *own* thoughts, and being able to answer someone's questions with my *own* words, and making my *own* decisions about my life and my path through it. Your guru has, as far as I can tell, turned you into a Class-A wuss who is now terrified to think for himself. You really *can't* do anything but repeat her words ad nauseum to other people, seem- ingly hoping to convince them to join you on the Path Of Being Unable To Think For Oneself. I honestly don't think you're going to find very many takers for this sales spiel here. All we have to do to measure its worth is watch how distraught and defensive you get whenever anyone suggests that someone may have realized their enlightenment *without* a guru, or that someone is even doing well without a guru. Dude, to be honest, that says more about *your* needs than it does any universal need for a guru. You've been sold a bill of goods. You've been told that you need someone's guidance to find who you really are, and who you always already have been all your life. You post here about how Maharishi couldn't poss- ibly be enlightened because he feels restricted if he's not safely inside a S-V building. Well, dude, it really seems to me that you feel awfully restricted unless you're safely inside the aura of some guru telling you what to do and what to think at all times. If that gets you off, more power to you and I wish you well on your Way. But I don't think it's going to lead you where you think it will. I've watched your language over the last few months become *more and more* dependent on your guru, and *less and less* able to express anything that sounds like someone I'd like to get to know. Much less buy anything from. So don't *sell* so hard, man. In the world of spiritual teaching, the brochure one uses to sell with is *oneself* -- how one thinks and acts and speaks. Your brochure consistently shows someone who has almost entirely lost the ability to think for himself, and who has been reduced to prefacing almost everything he says with, My guru says... While I understand that you may see this as a positive thing, I'm not sure that you understand that others here may not see it that way. Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and being a missionary for your guru, if that gets you off. But y'know...if after a few more months or years of this you find that the savages you're preaching to haven't been flocking to buy what you're selling, you might give some thought to reworking the sales brochure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment
Well, in my path, could be one goes through hell first, even more so with certain conditionings coming in such as this- could be- and here it is in my brochure just for you. With that preface, I extend an invitation to you, and maybe it is hell anyway, it is venturing into the unknown and you are not going to get any promises here of enlightenment. At best, what can be said is one will move along from where they are. Since this is the kundalini path, what is burried will come to the surface quickly. It may be a very difficult journey and usually it is before enlightenment. And yes, as Ramana pointed out, without a Guru, it is a very rare thing that one reaches enlightenment. All of the above that I have written is not as nearly attractive as organizations that sugar coat the delivery, complete with anything from crowns and limosines, with rolled out red carpets to avatars born in a rare family with golden hair. Bottom line in response to your opinion with the dude with the sales pitch is the product will never be much appeal to you or like kind but this is known in advance. The other side to it is my path is not meant to be a big thing. If you would like to write a book picking apart all the faults and reasons why people should stay away, there will be a great welcoming and wishing you good luck with the book. Disciples coming present a tremendous burden of responsibility to my guru, and as has been stated no disciples is the preference. Hridaya Puri FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings: As Ramana melted within Arunachala obedient and surrendered and never did he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever a thought of leaving. Ron, As sweet as you seem to be, and as inspired as you obviously are by your new path, this is all starting to get really repetitive and tiresome and well, somebody's got to say so. You seem to get a bit compulsive with your post- ing whenever anyone around here suggests that one doesn't need a guru. You launch into post after post after post after post telling us what my guru and Ramana and any other authority figure you can think of says about such things. Give it a rest already. The person who needs a guru is YOU, dude. You can't say two sentences without invoking the holy words My guru says... in front of some sentence. And frankly, if you are the *product* of finding a guru, I want nothing to do with it. I kinda prefer having my *own* thoughts, and being able to answer someone's questions with my *own* words, and making my *own* decisions about my life and my path through it. Your guru has, as far as I can tell, turned you into a Class-A wuss who is now terrified to think for himself. You really *can't* do anything but repeat her words ad nauseum to other people, seem- ingly hoping to convince them to join you on the Path Of Being Unable To Think For Oneself. I honestly don't think you're going to find very many takers for this sales spiel here. All we have to do to measure its worth is watch how distraught and defensive you get whenever anyone suggests that someone may have realized their enlightenment *without* a guru, or that someone is even doing well without a guru. Dude, to be honest, that says more about *your* needs than it does any universal need for a guru. You've been sold a bill of goods. You've been told that you need someone's guidance to find who you really are, and who you always already have been all your life. You post here about how Maharishi couldn't poss- ibly be enlightened because he feels restricted if he's not safely inside a S-V building. Well, dude, it really seems to me that you feel awfully restricted unless you're safely inside the aura of some guru telling you what to do and what to think at all times. If that gets you off, more power to you and I wish you well on your Way. But I don't think it's going to lead you where you think it will. I've watched your language over the last few months become *more and more* dependent on your guru, and *less and less* able to express anything that sounds like someone I'd like to get to know. Much less buy anything from. So don't *sell* so hard, man. In the world of spiritual teaching, the brochure one uses to sell with is *oneself* -- how one thinks and acts and speaks. Your brochure consistently shows someone who has almost entirely lost the ability to think for himself, and who has been reduced to prefacing almost everything he says with, My guru says... While I understand that you may see this as a positive thing, I'm not sure that you understand that others here may not see it that way. Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and
[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment
Turq, This is $450. an hour advice offered for free. Ron if you can get over the normal defensive reactions and hear any of this it would be a real siddhi. Post of the week for me! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings: As Ramana melted within Arunachala obedient and surrendered and never did he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever a thought of leaving. Ron, As sweet as you seem to be, and as inspired as you obviously are by your new path, this is all starting to get really repetitive and tiresome and well, somebody's got to say so. You seem to get a bit compulsive with your post- ing whenever anyone around here suggests that one doesn't need a guru. You launch into post after post after post after post telling us what my guru and Ramana and any other authority figure you can think of says about such things. Give it a rest already. The person who needs a guru is YOU, dude. You can't say two sentences without invoking the holy words My guru says... in front of some sentence. And frankly, if you are the *product* of finding a guru, I want nothing to do with it. I kinda prefer having my *own* thoughts, and being able to answer someone's questions with my *own* words, and making my *own* decisions about my life and my path through it. Your guru has, as far as I can tell, turned you into a Class-A wuss who is now terrified to think for himself. You really *can't* do anything but repeat her words ad nauseum to other people, seem- ingly hoping to convince them to join you on the Path Of Being Unable To Think For Oneself. I honestly don't think you're going to find very many takers for this sales spiel here. All we have to do to measure its worth is watch how distraught and defensive you get whenever anyone suggests that someone may have realized their enlightenment *without* a guru, or that someone is even doing well without a guru. Dude, to be honest, that says more about *your* needs than it does any universal need for a guru. You've been sold a bill of goods. You've been told that you need someone's guidance to find who you really are, and who you always already have been all your life. You post here about how Maharishi couldn't poss- ibly be enlightened because he feels restricted if he's not safely inside a S-V building. Well, dude, it really seems to me that you feel awfully restricted unless you're safely inside the aura of some guru telling you what to do and what to think at all times. If that gets you off, more power to you and I wish you well on your Way. But I don't think it's going to lead you where you think it will. I've watched your language over the last few months become *more and more* dependent on your guru, and *less and less* able to express anything that sounds like someone I'd like to get to know. Much less buy anything from. So don't *sell* so hard, man. In the world of spiritual teaching, the brochure one uses to sell with is *oneself* -- how one thinks and acts and speaks. Your brochure consistently shows someone who has almost entirely lost the ability to think for himself, and who has been reduced to prefacing almost everything he says with, My guru says... While I understand that you may see this as a positive thing, I'm not sure that you understand that others here may not see it that way. Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and being a missionary for your guru, if that gets you off. But y'know...if after a few more months or years of this you find that the savages you're preaching to haven't been flocking to buy what you're selling, you might give some thought to reworking the sales brochure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and being a missionary for your guru, if that gets you off. But y'know...if after a few more months or years of this you find that the savages you're preaching to haven't been flocking to buy what you're selling, you might give some thought to reworking the sales brochure. Good afternoon reading. I don't know if you were around when Ron was in the same pattern defending MMY against the doubters and unbelievers. Good advice. I wonder if he will give it a listen. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment
HERE IS WHAT RAMANA SAID: THE SELF, OR THE ATMAN, IS THE GURU. HE ALSO SAYS THAT THE SELF - OR GRACE - MAY GUIDE THE SEEKER TO FIND AN OUTER (LIVING) GURU. I'VE NOT HEARD ABOUT RAMANA HAVING AN EXTERNAL GURU. PLEASE HAVE YOUR GURU SEND YOU THE SOURCE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS GURU SO WE CAN LEARN ABOUT HIM OR HER. **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings: As Ramana melted within Arunachala obedient and surrendered and never did he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever a thought of leaving. I have made a seperate post about Ramana, his Guru, and comments about needing a Guru AN APPOINTED GURU IS NO GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTICITY. ON THE CONTRARY, SPIRITUAL LINEAGES AND MOVEMENTS OFTEN CARRY A LOT OF POLITICAL BAGGAGE. AN APPOINTED, BONA-FIDE GURU - REALIZED OR NOT - IS JUST A BODY WITH A REPUTATION ATTACHED TO IT. ** First of all, I have promoted here that based in my experience, I recommed that for the unfoldment of enlightenment, one should have two things- a Sat Guru, then work one to one with this Guru. The reason why is it has been pointed out that it is a very rare one that will make it without this. I buy into this, so herewith is my beliefs expressed, as it usually is- I cant preference every line with this is my belief, but most of my posts, that is what it is. Now, I think most will not go along with this so not really to much need to figure out which guru is for real and which is not. What good is that? for one to fill up their encyclopedia brain? However, if there happens to be one here interested in a Sat Guru and working one to one, then he has to use his discrimination in picking. First thing is to see what is available, then narrow things down. when all is said and done, it is going to take faith for the part that is unknown to him and claimed to be known by the mentor. So, they can weigh all the logic presented and then choose the way they are going to choose. The complications are unlimited- Sai Baba and his boys, Muktananda and his girls, MMY and his kings and queens, If you research Muktananda, you get writtings as in TM where on the one hand he is not appointed by his Guru, on the other, things surface which claim he is- and this is only a short time into history- imagine what happens in a few hundred years, things will really be distorted AND MANY APPOINTED GURUS HAVE ALSO BITTEN THE DUST IN PUBLIC HUMILIATION AND DISGRACE. Who? each situation has to be looked at THE PLAYING FIELD IS EVEN: NEITHER THE APPOINTED NOR THE SELF- PROCLAIMED HOLD ANY ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHER. Once you are interested in a guru, which most are not, then it is not just weather they are self proclaimed or not as the only criteria to pick a Guru. For example, my guru would recommend spending time with both the Guru and the sadakas to see how the consciousness and progress looks. In spending a short time, I have seen the real essence of the claims come to the surface and fall apart. Each seeker has to use his discretion, then procede HOLINESS IS MERELY APPEARANCE AND THERE ARE NO OUTER BEHAVIORIAL CRITERIA TO JUDGE WHETHER SOMEONE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT. IN my case, for example, a lasting exalted state of consciousness came about within a few days of being with my Guru and it is here now as a platform from which I am writting this. This again is a part of the discrimination used but a significant one. Each seeker has to weigh as much as he needs to weigh in order to choose. There is nothing on the outside with my guru that makes her seem any different than anyone. I'VE MET MANY PROFOUNDLY WOUNDED PEOPLE AFTER STUDYING UNDER HIGHLY ACCLAIMED, APPOINTED GURUS. As I said, if sadakas are like that, then this is a sign that this guru may not be a Sat Guru. Again, it is good to not only check out the Guru but also the sadakas YES, IT IS. SO PLEASE TRY NOT TO SOUND SO CERTAIN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. My post is formulated by both my experience, then belief beyond my experience. I am certain about both but the belief part is revealing in that you know it is my belief- so then one can have their own beliefs and opinions- if they state if forcefully or not, either way is ok- we know it for what it is.
