[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-25 Thread jyouells2000



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:

 reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy 
more of 
it as 
 well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of
us. now 
if Wal- mart 
 could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.


The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their
costs 
with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart
  attempts 
to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to
them down 
by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers.
 Many 
economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is
almost 
singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA
  over 
the past 15 years.

Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a
fly on 
the wall over those negotiations?


Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in
all of 
our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible
to over 
2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to
bring down 
the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that.

TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our
MAPI 
products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it
costs us 
about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20
  cents 
per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a 
whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each
unit for 
$15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell
us how 
we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down!
   
   
   Of course, MAPI products are all supposedly made in the traditional
  way, which probably 
   doesn't mean much, cost-wise, since they come from India, but it
  DOES mean that there is 
   a supply constraint: you can't just plant more crops willy-nilly and
  increase production if 
   said crops have to be grown and/or harvested in a certain way.
  
  
  Based on all the other TMO things that are most probably lied about,
  do you really think that MAPI 'traditional' production practices
  aren't lied about too? 
 
 I don't base things on all the other things the TMO most probably
lied about (such as?), 
 but on my own interaction with the folks involved or observations of
their other actions. 
 Sharma, Triguna, MMY, etc., have a desire to see their cultural
traditions validated. Cutting 
 corners wouldn't validate their culture.



You said, I don't base things on all the other things the TMO most
probably lied about (such as?), but on my own interaction with the
folks involved or observations of their other actions. 

Do you think that's a more 'high minded' view or what? If you can't
observe the people who make that decisions on what goes into the
products, then what's left is the reputation and honesty of the
organization and people who sell it. If they are dishonest about some
things, how can you know that they are not dishonest about other
things? There is no way to know...

JohnY 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-25 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...]
 
 You said, I don't base things on all the other things the TMO most
 probably lied about (such as?), but on my own interaction with the
 folks involved or observations of their other actions. 
 
 Do you think that's a more 'high minded' view or what? If you can't
 observe the people who make that decisions on what goes into the
 products, then what's left is the reputation and honesty of the
 organization and people who sell it. If they are dishonest about some
 things, how can you know that they are not dishonest about other
 things? There is no way to know...
 
 JohnY



What specifically did they lie about, and how does this tie in with desire to see one's culture 
vindicated? 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-24 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
   nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
 nelsonriddle2001@
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
   wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:

 reduces the price making it available 4 more of us 
 to 
   buy  
  more of 
it as 
 well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for 
 many 
   of us. 
  now 
if Wal- mart 
 could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.


The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates 
   their 
  costs 
with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, 
 Wal-
   Mart 
  attempts 
to get their suppliers to bring their prices on 
 supplies 
   to them 
  down 
by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to 
   consumers. 
  Many 
economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this 
 area 
   is 
  almost 
singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate 
 in 
   the 
  USA over 
the past 15 years.
 snip
 +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of 
 the 
   middle
 class to exist? N.

+++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China 
   produced by
underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS.
   
   
   
   Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards.
   
   Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history 
 of 
   slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response.
  
  +++ You are right-my apologies- I was thinking convict labor which 
 was
  a beef with union people.
  How do you see it if you have a small business and find you are
  competing with someone with a non-profit front-your prices would 
 be a
  bit higher to be able to survive but is it fair that you get pushed
  out of business?
 
 
 
 I've heard of those incidents in American prisons where some Warden 
 gets the idea that the prisoners should make products and compete 
 with the outside market. Of course, it is entirely unfair because 
 both the labor and the overhead are subsidized by the government.
 
 No, it is not fair.
 
+++ On a large scale, isn't China, with their labor advantage, aided
by Wall-Mart, going to put us out of business or at least make a
serious dent in our economy? N.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-24 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/22/06 2:23 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  more of
 it as 
 well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now
 if Wal- mart 
 could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
 
 
 The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs
 with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts
 to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down
 by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many
 economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost
 singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over
 the past 15 years.
 
 Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a fly on
 the wall over those negotiations?
 
 
 Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in all of
 our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to over
 2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring down
 the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that.
 
 TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our MAPI
 products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it costs us
 about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20 cents
 per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a
 whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each unit for
 $15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us how
 we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down!

This is the way MMY used to negotiate, for instance, with hotel prices. The
hotel owner would name a price. MMY would make his offer. The hotel owner
would come down a bit, then rather than coming up a bit to eventually meet
the hotel owner in the middle, MMY would make a new offer lower than his
first one. This tactic seemed to work. Maybe the hotel owner panicked and
decided to take MMY's offer before it got any lower.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
   
reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  
 more of 
   it as 
well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. 
 now 
   if Wal- mart 
could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
   
   
   The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their 
 costs 
   with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart 
 attempts 
   to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them 
 down 
   by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. 
 Many 
   economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is 
 almost 
   singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the 
 USA over 
   the past 15 years.
snip
+++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle
class to exist? N.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:

 reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  
  more of 
it as 
 well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. 
  now 
if Wal- mart 
 could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.


The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their 
  costs 
with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart 
  attempts 
to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them 
  down 
by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. 
  Many 
economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is 
  almost 
singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the 
  USA over 
the past 15 years.
 snip
 +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle
 class to exist? N.

+++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China produced by
underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS.
 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread uns_tressor



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill 
 from China produced by
 underpaid or slave labor to compete with 
 local companies is BS.

You mean sorted recycled plastics? I think that
they have discovered one of the scientific holy
grails; depolymerising plastic back to lower
hydrocarbons. They may end up as the world's
chief supplier of oil. I wonder if they will hang 
on to the bulk of their scrap plastic.

Anothe rissue is the 1.5 million people in their
prisons who are said to be used as slave labour,
producing goods whiuch must undercut everybody.
Uns.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread jyouells2000



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
  
   reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  more of 
  it as 
   well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now 
  if Wal- mart 
   could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
  
  
  The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs 
  with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart
attempts 
  to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down 
  by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many 
  economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost 
  singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA
over 
  the past 15 years.
  
  Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a fly on 
  the wall over those negotiations?
  
  
  Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in all of 
  our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to over 
  2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring down 
  the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that.
  
  TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our MAPI 
  products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it costs us 
  about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20
cents 
  per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a 
  whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each unit for 
  $15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us how 
  we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down!
 
 
 Of course, MAPI products are all supposedly made in the traditional
way, which probably 
 doesn't mean much, cost-wise, since they come from India, but it
DOES mean that there is 
 a supply constraint: you can't just plant more crops willy-nilly and
increase production if 
 said crops have to be grown and/or harvested in a certain way.


Based on all the other TMO things that are most probably lied about,
do you really think that MAPI 'traditional' production practices
aren't lied about too? 

JohnY 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
 
  reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to 
buy  
   more of 
 it as 
  well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many 
of us. 
   now 
 if Wal- mart 
  could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
 
 
 The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates 
their 
   costs 
 with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-
Mart 
   attempts 
 to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies 
to them 
   down 
 by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to 
consumers. 
   Many 
 economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area 
is 
   almost 
 singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in 
the 
   USA over 
 the past 15 years.
  snip
  +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the 
middle
  class to exist? N.
 
 +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China 
produced by
 underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS.



Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards.

Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history of 
slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:

 reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  
  more of 
it as 
 well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. 
  now 
if Wal- mart 
 could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.


The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their 
  costs 
with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart 
  attempts 
to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them 
  down 
by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. 
  Many 
economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is 
  almost 
singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the 
  USA over 
the past 15 years.
 snip
 +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle
 class to exist? N.


To paraphrase Demolition Man: after the Big Box Wars, every store was Wal-Mart...













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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
  
   reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to 
 buy  
more of 
  it as 
   well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many 
 of us. 
now 
  if Wal- mart 
   could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
  
  
  The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates 
 their 
costs 
  with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-
 Mart 
attempts 
  to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies 
 to them 
down 
  by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to 
 consumers. 
Many 
  economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area 
 is 
almost 
  singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in 
 the 
USA over 
  the past 15 years.
   snip
   +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the 
 middle
   class to exist? N.
  
  +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China 
 produced by
  underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS.
 
 
 
 Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards.
 
 Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history of 
 slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response.


Depends. Are sex workers who fear for their lives if they leave their pimps slaves? 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread Nelson



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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ 
 wrote:
  +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill 
  from China produced by
  underpaid or slave labor to compete with 
  local companies is BS.
 
 You mean sorted recycled plastics? I think that
 they have discovered one of the scientific holy
 grails; depolymerising plastic back to lower
 hydrocarbons. They may end up as the world's
 chief supplier of oil. I wonder if they will hang 
 on to the bulk of their scrap plastic.
 
 Anothe rissue is the 1.5 million people in their
 prisons who are said to be used as slave labour,
 producing goods whiuch must undercut everybody.
 Uns.

+++ This could lead to various fnancial disasters around the world
and, as one writer pointed out, the conflict with China will be in the
financial arena and, we will probably lose.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
 nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
  
   reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to 
 buy  
more of 
  it as 
   well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many 
 of us. 
now 
  if Wal- mart 
   could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
  
  
  The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates 
 their 
costs 
  with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-
 Mart 
attempts 
  to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies 
 to them 
down 
  by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to 
 consumers. 
Many 
  economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area 
 is 
almost 
  singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in 
 the 
USA over 
  the past 15 years.
   snip
   +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the 
 middle
   class to exist? N.
  
  +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China 
 produced by
  underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS.
 
 
 
 Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards.
 
 Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history of 
 slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response.

+++ You are right-my apologies- I was thinking convict labor which was
a beef with union people.
 How do you see it if you have a small business and find you are
competing with someone with a non-profit front-your prices would be a
bit higher to be able to survive but is it fair that you get pushed
out of business?
 I guess it's a POV and, which side of the fence you are on. N.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-23 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
  nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
nelsonriddle2001@
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
   
reduces the price making it available 4 more of us 
to 
  buy  
 more of 
   it as 
well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for 
many 
  of us. 
 now 
   if Wal- mart 
could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
   
   
   The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates 
  their 
 costs 
   with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, 
Wal-
  Mart 
 attempts 
   to get their suppliers to bring their prices on 
supplies 
  to them 
 down 
   by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to 
  consumers. 
 Many 
   economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this 
area 
  is 
 almost 
   singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate 
in 
  the 
 USA over 
   the past 15 years.
snip
+++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of 
the 
  middle
class to exist? N.
   
   +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China 
  produced by
   underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS.
  
  
  
  Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards.
  
  Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history 
of 
  slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response.
 
 +++ You are right-my apologies- I was thinking convict labor which 
was
 a beef with union people.
 How do you see it if you have a small business and find you are
 competing with someone with a non-profit front-your prices would 
be a
 bit higher to be able to survive but is it fair that you get pushed
 out of business?



I've heard of those incidents in American prisons where some Warden 
gets the idea that the prisoners should make products and compete 
with the outside market. Of course, it is entirely unfair because 
both the labor and the overhead are subsidized by the government.

No, it is not fair.

Someone I used to work with has had a telemarketing room for the 
past 10 years. Before the do-not-call list he used to be busier, of 
course, but before the list came into being he took advantage of a 
program where the local prison would bus in about 1/2 a dozen 
prisoners to his telemarketing room and they would work 8 hours a 
day and then the prison bus would come back and drive them back to 
prison. And he got some sort of subsidy for that.

Of course, we were all amused that people were buying all this stuff 
from convicted felons!




 I guess it's a POV and, which side of the fence you are on. N.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-22 Thread WLeed3





reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  more of it as well 
that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us.now if Wal- mart could 
sellMaharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  more of 
it as 
 well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now 
if Wal- mart 
 could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.


The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs 
with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts 
to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down 
by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many 
economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost 
singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over 
the past 15 years.

Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a fly on 
the wall over those negotiations?


Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in all of 
our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to over 
2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring down 
the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that.

TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our MAPI 
products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it costs us 
about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20 cents 
per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a 
whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each unit for 
$15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us how 
we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down!











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
 
  reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  more of 
 it as 
  well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now 
 if Wal- mart 
  could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
 
 
 The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs 
 with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts 
 to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down 
 by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many 
 economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost 
 singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over 
 the past 15 years.
 
 Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a fly on 
 the wall over those negotiations?
 
 
 Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in all of 
 our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to over 
 2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring down 
 the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that.
 
 TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our MAPI 
 products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it costs us 
 about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20 cents 
 per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a 
 whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each unit for 
 $15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us how 
 we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down!


Of course, MAPI products are all supposedly made in the traditional way, which probably 
doesn't mean much, cost-wise, since they come from India, but it DOES mean that there is 
a supply constraint: you can't just plant more crops willy-nilly and increase production if 
said crops have to be grown and/or harvested in a certain way.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-22 Thread shempmcgurk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote:
  
   reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy  
more of 
  it as 
   well that whole milk  @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. 
now 
  if Wal- mart 
   could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well.
  
  
  The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their 
costs 
  with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart 
attempts 
  to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them 
down 
  by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. 
Many 
  economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is 
almost 
  singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the 
USA over 
  the past 15 years.
  
  Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a 
fly on 
  the wall over those negotiations?
  
  
  Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in 
all of 
  our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to 
over 
  2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring 
down 
  the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that.
  
  TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our 
MAPI 
  products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it 
costs us 
  about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20 
cents 
  per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a 
  whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each 
unit for 
  $15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us 
how 
  we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down!
 
 
 Of course, MAPI products are all supposedly made in the 
 traditional way,




What's the traditional way? Mixing the spices clockwise instead 
of counter-clockwise?

Or perhaps its how I saw TrigunaJi's teenage apprentice mix the 
concoctions that I bought at his outdoor clinic in Dehli: lay down 
a bunch of squares cut from the Times of India newspaper, take jars 
of dirt (or whatever it is he put in his mixtures) and spill them 
out over the newspaper squares, and then fold up the pieces of 
newspaper into little packets (which I was then told to take with a 
glass of water each day).





 which probably 
 doesn't mean much, cost-wise, since they come from India, but it 
DOES mean that there is 
 a supply constraint: you can't just plant more crops willy-nilly 
and increase production if 
 said crops have to be grown and/or harvested in a certain way.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news

2006-05-22 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
[...]
  Of course, MAPI products are all supposedly made in the 
  traditional way,
 
 
 
 
 What's the traditional way? Mixing the spices clockwise instead 
 of counter-clockwise?

Harvested by hand, at certain times of the day, etc. Very labor-instensive in other words.

 
 Or perhaps its how I saw TrigunaJi's teenage apprentice mix the 
 concoctions that I bought at his outdoor clinic in Dehli: lay down 
 a bunch of squares cut from the Times of India newspaper, take jars 
 of dirt (or whatever it is he put in his mixtures) and spill them 
 out over the newspaper squares, and then fold up the pieces of 
 newspaper into little packets (which I was then told to take with a 
 glass of water each day).

I'd worry about the content of the ink in the newsprint, and whether or not he'd washed 
his hands. That's a consideration for MAPI-sourced herbs as well, of course...









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