Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-26 Thread Vaj
On Apr 26, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/26/06 7:02 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on "the knowledge of the > >> nature > >> of all things." what's the "Raincloud of virtue?" Is it like the > >> raincloud > >> that's alwa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/26/06 7:02 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Seems like Tom and Jim have both commented on "the knowledge of the >> nature >> of all things." what's the "Raincloud of virtue?" Is it like the >> raincloud >> that's always above the head of that kid in the Peanuts strip? > > It's th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-26 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/25/06 6:28 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > >> Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma- > kalpena a > >> la Vyasa) would you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/25/06 6:28 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena a >> la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of >> virtue and of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:24 PM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:02 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:15 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Jim, would be able and willing to talk a bit about what it was > like to have Guru Dev appear > > to you?  I am especially interested in what he seemed like

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:02 PM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena > > > a la Vyasa) would you pl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2006, at 6:36 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: > Jim Flanegin writes: snipped > It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the > machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves, > into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-25 Thread Vaj
On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:38 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: > Jim Flanegin writes: > Hey Tom, I am curious about the relationship your levitation > experience you shared here, and having slipped onto a different > stage as you mention above. Did the levitation serve  (1) as that > las

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/25/06 11:12 AM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >The one thing I must be careful about now are my > desires, because they have a funny way of all coming true, quckly. Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... Rick should win the lottery... To subscribe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-24 Thread Vaj
It seems to me when one first integrates with the non-dual state  there is a state of total relaxation and all the muscles in the body  just open up as all tension is gone. The funny thing that happens is  the mind realizes *something* has changed: wow, all This is me? As  soon as that happe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:52 AM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > In regards to siddhis, as I believe I indicated already, that's more > > about yoga-darshana, i.e. not Advaita Vedanta. > > > > So you believe that Patanjali made thi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-24 Thread Vaj
On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:27 PM, t3rinity wrote:So Ramana was not in favor of testing, thats for sure. I also don'tthink he thought that a Jnani had to manifest siddhis. OTOH thescriptures make it clear that the manifestation of siddhis are noindication of enlightenment. They could be accomplished by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Vaj
On Apr 23, 2006, at 6:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is > > an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it, > > either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I > > certainly don't know if that a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:04 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > I enjoyed getting turned on to his "thing".  I found it >  quite refreshing and genuine.  Then again, thanks for turning me on to >  Mother Meera.  I have enjoyed getting acquanited with her "thing". > Careful, Lurk, or you'll get us pu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Vaj
On Apr 23, 2006, at 5:45 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when  > masters > > have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some > > performance of siddhi. > > > > Since yogic flying belongs to yoga-darshana, it's only sens

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
But if they didn't run into a phone booth beforehand to change their clothes, it doesn't count. On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Vaj wrote: >  As was shared on here a while back, even in recent times when masters  >  have claimed enlightenment, the test almost always involved some  >  performanc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Vaj
On Apr 23, 2006, at 4:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective > non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states? > > Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to > them [the stories] form a higher truth than measureme

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Sal Sunshine
Multi-party verification or repeatability is what brought the world out of the Dark Ages? Funny, all this time I was sure it was Fred and his gear. Sal On Apr 23, 2006, at 3:40 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe he has been. Or may

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Vaj
On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:23 AM, authfriend wrote: > How could I?  He has vowed (again) to ignore me. > Surely you can't be suggesting that he doesn't > have the self-control to resist? Of course, that' s exactly why you keep prodding him, attempting to  annoy him, make jabs, etc. > > I will c

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Flying Machines - Vimanas

2006-04-23 Thread Vaj
On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:03 AM, authfriend wrote: > Not as Barry told it, at least initially.  He admitted > some who were watching did not see Lenz levitate, and > he claimed to be supremely unconcerned with whether a > camera could have captured the feat; he thought objective > proof was irrel