Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) I think essential is an even better term. But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE? Someone on my flying course did, she had all sorts of weird adventures like that. I just got a head ache and forgot where I was, a sort of Out of Mind Experience where my body wandered about on its own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
And how did your course leaders respond to the lady's report of flitting about out of her body? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) I think essential is an even better term. But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE? Someone on my flying course did, she had all sorts of weird adventures like that. I just got a head ache and forgot where I was, a sort of Out of Mind Experience where my body wandered about on its own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
On 8/29/2014 1:00 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) I think essential is an even better term. But, apparently /not //essential/ in the case of Barry's Rama levitation claims. Go figure. Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values. But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE? Someone on my flying course did, she had all sorts of weird adventures like that. I just got a head ache and forgot where I was, a sort of Out of Mind Experience where my body wandered about on its own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
On 8/29/2014 5:56 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And how did your course leaders respond to the lady's report of flitting about out of her body? Probably about the way you responded to Barry's claim that Rama could levitate - with silence. Go figure. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 2:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) I think essential is an even better term. But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE? Someone on my flying course did, she had all sorts of weird adventures like that. I just got a head ache and forgot where I was, a sort of Out of Mind Experience where my body wandered about on its own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/29/2014 5:56 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: And how did your course leaders respond to the lady's report of flitting about out of her body? Probably about the way you respond ed to Barry's claim that Rama could levitate - with silence. Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote : I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) I think essential is an even better term. But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE? Someone on my flying course did, she had all sorts of weird adventures like that. I just got a head ache and forgot where I was, a sort of Out of Mind Experience where my body wandered about on its own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And how did your course leaders respond to the lady's report of flitting about out of her body? They just said the same thing to every thing we said we experienced something good is happening! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) I think essential is an even better term. But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE? Someone on my flying course did, she had all sorts of weird adventures like that. I just got a head ache and forgot where I was, a sort of Out of Mind Experience where my body wandered about on its own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
On 8/29/2014 12:05 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And how did your course leaders respond to the lady's report of flitting about out of her body? They just said the same thing to every thing we said we experienced something good is happening! Or, Take it easy; take it as it comes. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 2:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) I think essential is an even better term. But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE? Someone on my flying course did, she had all sorts of weird adventures like that. I just got a head ache and forgot where I was, a sort of Out of Mind Experience where my body wandered about on its own.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
And he did it a without TM - well what do you know? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino plays a brief but important part. St. Joseph lived from 1603 to 1663, and had literally hundreds of well documented flights, staying in the air hours at a time, and spending a considerable part of his life in the air. This movie presents an artist's imagination of what these flights might have been like. Joseph's innumerable flights witnessed by great leaders of his time, by popes, and by the common people of the towns where he lived led to his being canonized as a Saint in the Catholic church in 1753. Flights like these are recorded in cultures throughout the world and throughout history, but none are so well documented as the flights of Joseph of Cupertino. These miraculous flights show that man can indeed be the master of gravity. This is the inspiring picture of an ideal man, with which the movie More than a Miracle begins. St.Joseph of Cupertino St.Joseph of Cupertino In this brief clip from the 1967 movie More than a Miracle starring Omar Sharif and Sophia Loren, the flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino, plays a brief b... View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
On 8/28/2014 1:44 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And he did it a without TM - well what do you know? Non sequitur. an inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. It has already been established that St Joseph meditated and prayed on a daily basis. *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:10 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino plays a brief but important part. St. Joseph lived from 1603 to 1663, and had literally hundreds of well documented flights, staying in the air hours at a time, and spending a considerable part of his life in the air. This movie presents an artist's imagination of what these flights might have been like. Joseph's innumerable flights witnessed by great leaders of his time, by popes, and by the common people of the towns where he lived led to his being canonized as a Saint in the Catholic church in 1753. Flights like these are recorded in cultures throughout the world and throughout history, but none are so well documented as the flights of Joseph of Cupertino. These miraculous flights show that man can indeed be the master of gravity. This is the inspiring picture of an ideal man, with which the movie More than a Miracle begins. St.Joseph of Cupertino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaivvix9s8 image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaivvix9s8 St.Joseph of Cupertino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaivvix9s8 In this brief clip from the 1967 movie More than a Miracle starring Omar Sharif and Sophia Loren, the flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino, plays a brief b... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaivvix9s8 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
Yeah, but what if he was way up there like that and it all gave- out ! On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:25 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 8/28/2014 1:44 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And he did it a without TM - well what do you know? Non sequitur. an inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. It has already been established that St Joseph meditated and prayed on a daily basis. From: nablusoss1008 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino plays a brief but important part. St. Joseph lived from 1603 to 1663, and had literally hundreds of well documented flights, staying in the air hours at a time, and spending a considerable part of his life in the air. This movie presents an artist's imagination of what these flights might have been like. Joseph's innumerable flights witnessed by great leaders of his time, by popes, and by the common people of the towns where he lived led to his being canonized as a Saint in the Catholic church in 1753. Flights like these are recorded in cultures throughout the world and throughout history, but none are so well documented as the flights of Joseph of Cupertino. These miraculous flights show that man can indeed be the master of gravity. This is the inspiring picture of an ideal man, with which the movie More than a Miracle begins. St.Joseph of Cupertino St.Joseph of Cupertino In this brief clip from the 1967 movie More than a Miracle starring Omar Sharif and Sophia Loren, the flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino, plays a brief b... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The flying saint, Joseph of Cupertino
On 8/28/2014 5:29 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm healthily skeptical about such claims. (Notice how skepticism is always described as healthy?) What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for a while. - TurquoiseB http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231 But if there is anything to these tales I doubt if the saint *physically* levitated. Ie, a Kodak Brownie would not have recorded his flight. A more likely explanation (though still demanding a lot of credulity) is that people witnessed his astral vehicle. He was, after all, spending most of his time in prayer and contemplation - ideal conditions for having an out-of-the-body experience. Perhaps the veneration surrounding the holy man raised the witnesses' own level of consciousness so that they could sense his astral form. More plausible? On that theme: do TM meditators in the Dome (sidhas or not) ever report having an OBE?
