Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
Steve, I was just reading a medical article in which Univ of Wash, St. Louis hospital was mentioned. They seems to be prominent. Anyway, maybe Big Pharma was behind the whole blighting so you're not talking about just one or two corrupt aldermen. As is said, follow the money. And I hope the businesses that had to move are still doing well. Glad you all got off fairly lightly. On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:44 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: It was pretty remarkable. You had dozens of businesses, many of them doing tens of millions of dollars of business, and you have visionaries coming in, and saying that we (they) need to is to create new technology corridor. In this case a bio tech corridor. The driving force was that this area is sandwiched between two major universities and a major hospital complex. In the area is also the School of Medicine of the one of the universities. So then these businesses start to move, many of them out of the city, along with taxes they pay. And yes, the board of alderman basically signed off on the whole deal. I remember going to down to city hall when they had the hearings to listen to the business owners voicing their concerns. In the end it made no difference. The number of bio tech firms that have come into the area has been pretty small, at least as far as I can see. As I mentioned, our business was exempted because of input from the neighborhood, but a property we own immediately adjacent to our business was not exempted. I've decided to try to develop this property and requested the powers that be to support my attempt to get it unblighted. But they haven't replied to my e-mails. But perhaps to answer your question, city agencies can pretty much come in and blight any area they wish. It can take a lot of money to fight it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad. 50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-: On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Hi Share, Everything going pretty well business wise. The neighborhood in which our business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization. The city about 10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a bio tech corridor. It seems now to be bearing fruit. In fact the spot where our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood lobbied to have it exempted. So that has been a positive. The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are building are getting ready to move out. Today some of the cold weather is back. Yesterday, probably like up there, was a beautiful day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a wonderful day. It's blustery here. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, a smile at the start of the day! A laugh at the end of the day! Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room
Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
Yes, Washington University School of Medicine is one of the anchors. I don't know if it is big pharma behind it, as much as bio tech start ups. But there was an article yesterday about how the whole project is gaining momentum. I know many of the old buildings are coming down and new ones coming up. Most of the businesses that relocated have stayed in the area. Probably at least half in the city, and half to the county. I think there is a mix of both good and bad alderman. The funny thing about that, is that at one time there were a million and half residents in the city, and now there are about half that number, but the number of alderman has remained the same. The main bio tech incubator is right next door to our business. That has been a plus for us. We are able to provide them with some of their incidentals, and Wash U School of Medicine has been one of our best customers, for many years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I was just reading a medical article in which Univ of Wash, St. Louis hospital was mentioned. They seems to be prominent. Anyway, maybe Big Pharma was behind the whole blighting so you're not talking about just one or two corrupt aldermen. As is said, follow the money. And I hope the businesses that had to move are still doing well. Glad you all got off fairly lightly. On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:44 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: It was pretty remarkable. You had dozens of businesses, many of them doing tens of millions of dollars of business, and you have visionaries coming in, and saying that we (they) need to is to create new technology corridor. In this case a bio tech corridor. The driving force was that this area is sandwiched between two major universities and a major hospital complex. In the area is also the School of Medicine of the one of the universities. So then these businesses start to move, many of them out of the city, along with taxes they pay. And yes, the board of alderman basically signed off on the whole deal. I remember going to down to city hall when they had the hearings to listen to the business owners voicing their concerns. In the end it made no difference. The number of bio tech firms that have come into the area has been pretty small, at least as far as I can see. As I mentioned, our business was exempted because of input from the neighborhood, but a property we own immediately adjacent to our business was not exempted. I've decided to try to develop this property and requested the powers that be to support my attempt to get it unblighted. But they haven't replied to my e-mails. But perhaps to answer your question, city agencies can pretty much come in and blight any area they wish. It can take a lot of money to fight it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad. 50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-: On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Hi Share, Everything going pretty well business wise. The neighborhood in which our business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization. The city about 10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a bio tech corridor. It seems now to be bearing fruit. In fact the spot where our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood lobbied to have it exempted. So that has been a positive. The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are building are getting ready to move out. Today some of the cold weather is back. Yesterday, probably like up there, was a beautiful day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a wonderful day. It's blustery here. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, a smile at the start of the day! A laugh at the end of the day! Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you
Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad. 50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-: On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Share, Everything going pretty well business wise. The neighborhood in which our business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization. The city about 10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a bio tech corridor. It seems now to be bearing fruit. In fact the spot where our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood lobbied to have it exempted. So that has been a positive. The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are building are getting ready to move out. Today some of the cold weather is back. Yesterday, probably like up there, was a beautiful day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a wonderful day. It's blustery here. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, a smile at the start of the day! A laugh at the end of the day! Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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It was pretty remarkable. You had dozens of businesses, many of them doing tens of millions of dollars of business, and you have visionaries coming in, and saying that we (they) need to is to create new technology corridor. In this case a bio tech corridor. The driving force was that this area is sandwiched between two major universities and a major hospital complex. In the area is also the School of Medicine of the one of the universities. So then these businesses start to move, many of them out of the city, along with taxes they pay. And yes, the board of alderman basically signed off on the whole deal. I remember going to down to city hall when they had the hearings to listen to the business owners voicing their concerns. In the end it made no difference. The number of bio tech firms that have come into the area has been pretty small, at least as far as I can see. As I mentioned, our business was exempted because of input from the neighborhood, but a property we own immediately adjacent to our business was not exempted. I've decided to try to develop this property and requested the powers that be to support my attempt to get it unblighted. But they haven't replied to my e-mails. But perhaps to answer your question, city agencies can pretty much come in and blight any area they wish. It can take a lot of money to fight it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, how does a city blight an area on purpose?! It sounds bad. 50+ degrees today and tomorrow. Then snow on Sunday. Go figure (-: On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:28 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Hi Share, Everything going pretty well business wise. The neighborhood in which our business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization. The city about 10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a bio tech corridor. It seems now to be bearing fruit. In fact the spot where our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood lobbied to have it exempted. So that has been a positive. The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are building are getting ready to move out. Today some of the cold weather is back. Yesterday, probably like up there, was a beautiful day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a wonderful day. It's blustery here. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, a smile at the start of the day! A laugh at the end of the day! Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges,
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 9:36 PM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. You must be new around here - that's what I've been doing for the past five years. Go figure.
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Good rap, Xeno. Compare and contrast to what he's replying to, and the mindstate expressed in those comments. The people who live for argumentation and ego-posturing and getting their enemies do so because they're simply not *capable* of writing at this level and having discussions at this level. They want to derail any such conversations and get things focused on petty squabbling again, because that's all they can handle intellectually. From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. After, doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so it really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that statement then means something as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... wrote: It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in enlightenment now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go figure.
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You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a wonderful day. It's blustery here. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, a smile at the start of the day! A laugh at the end of the day! Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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Is this satire, Barry?? I have not once, in my many years on this forum, EVER seen you address something point for point, intellectually. I do see you constantly rant irrationally, and bring up the same points from your diseased memory, relentlessly. Perhaps you consider that the same thing? It isn't. Believe me, it really isn't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Good rap, Xeno. Compare and contrast to what he's replying to, and the mindstate expressed in those comments. The people who live for argumentation and ego-posturing and getting their enemies do so because they're simply not *capable* of writing at this level and having discussions at this level. They want to derail any such conversations and get things focused on petty squabbling again, because that's all they can handle intellectually. From: anartaxius@... anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. After, doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so it really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that statement then means something as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in enlightenment now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
Hi Share, Everything going pretty well business wise. The neighborhood in which our business is located is undergoing a tremendous revitalization. The city about 10 years ago blighted about a 10 square block area in the hopes of developing a bio tech corridor. It seems now to be bearing fruit. In fact the spot where our business is located was part of the blighted area, but the neighborhood lobbied to have it exempted. So that has been a positive. The Ikea store is scheduled to open in the fall of 2015, so there's not been much activity lately except that many of business is the spot where they are building are getting ready to move out. Today some of the cold weather is back. Yesterday, probably like up there, was a beautiful day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : You're welcome, Steve. Hey how is it down there? Any flowers yet? Is the store getting busy with people stocking up on gardening supplies? I bet it's a good time of year for you all. How is the Ikea construction going? Hope you have a wonderful day. It's blustery here. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:17 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, a smile at the start of the day! A laugh at the end of the day! Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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On 3/11/2014 11:17 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. So, the truth finally comes out. Thanks, Share.
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On 3/12/2014 1:18 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 9:36 PM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. You must be new around here - that's what I've been doing for the past five years. Go figure. Just in case I missed something - thanks for your reply.
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On 3/12/2014 2:46 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: They want to derail any such conversations and get things focused on petty squabbling again, because that's all they can handle intellectually. It looks like to me you just tried to derail a perfectly good thread about an important TMO meeting about how to get enlightened with TMSP. It took over three days for this thread to hit bottom. Go figure. In a previous post you said you didn't even believe in enlightenment, now you want to rap about what, your own enlightenment? I'm not sure how much intellectual conversations I can take today at that intense level. I may have a brain problem situation on my hands. Maybe I'll feel better after I get back from doing my program. So, until I get back to the office, maybe you should just continue the squabbling.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/10/2014 4:18 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: gushing gonna make you a superman kind of PR the Movement promotes them as being You're not even making any sense anymore. TM is just a relaxation technique - the rest is up to you. So you never read the Science of Being, or heard any of Marshy's lectures, or hung around with the movement generally? Go figure. Let's be logical: who would you believe? A very small group of people standing on the corner who said no big blue bus went by. Or, Another, much larger group of people, standing on the same corner, who all said that a big blue bus just drive by. Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. I think you need some time out to get straight in your mind what it is you actually think about anything Go figure.
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done? It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a sort of You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you to publicly say something you don't believe It seems to make people feel better. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done? What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they log off at the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones: I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET SO THERE It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a sort of You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you to publicly say something you don't believe It seems to make people feel better. Go figure. It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally petty, such as feeling that they forced Nabby to post the way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that they forced Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. Don't any of these people have LIVES? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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I'd be embarrassed, too, if I was always crowing about being such an Independent Person, and all I did was sit around, when I wasn't out drinking, and watch stolen TV shows. Blows Against the Empire, eh? Sincerely, Doctor Dumbass
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I smell blood in the water. :-) Yes, you could put on your headstone, I was too chickenshit to have an argument on the Internet. So there. LOL - you sure ain't fooling anybody, with your ongoing passive-aggressive schtick. Better to confront someone directly, than proclaiming loudly *for the last ten years* how, you don't give a shit - That is an awfully long time to be proclaiming such a thing. If you really felt that way, you'd have shut your mouth about it, long ago. See how stupid it is, to pretend you are something that you are not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done? What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they log off at the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones: I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET SO THERE It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a sort of You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you to publicly say something you don't believe It seems to make people feel better. Go figure. It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally petty, such as feeling that they forced Nabby to post the way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that they forced Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. Don't any of these people have LIVES? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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Judy's motto: Get your mean out! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Share watchers and CORRECTORS. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:03 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, you must find this amusing at this point. My God, a slow day at FFL brings out the craziness. You've heard of Kremlin watchers, or Fed watchers. Looks to me like we've got Share watchers. Dissecting every word you say. A Bevan cultist. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Notice Share's redirection...just as Emily described. Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously the two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because he has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. Judy, I still say Buck is wrong about that. As I said before, Bevan went into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. Such would not at all be helpful for meditators. On Monday, March 10, 2014 7:45 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Presumably Buck has a clue what he's talking about, and he said (see below), Nothing [Bevan] said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Guess you missed that, huh? The money issue was a minor point in context. Emily's analysis of how Share responds to any kind of challenge--by redirecting...to a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two--is right on target. She had also just done it in regard to Buck's comment about Bevan being a tragic figure. We've seen her do it many dozens of times, and not just with Emily. Emily's point about Share's sense of her own specialness is also highly apropos in this context. Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying that all the TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does. Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me. It is a very effective way to be for you. I am always impressed at your ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it masterful in its own way. Emily, the lecture was free. These are the key points to me: But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down The elitist and exclusionary nature of this spiritual organization is just odd to me, an outsider. What on earth would have happened if non-badge people attended? So what? Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture is sold out, so be it. They want money, right? Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid for the right to be special. You might lose this specialness if you move. Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. Nice touch of nostalgia. On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who
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Says Barry, demonstrating that he has nothing to contribute. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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Opsie ooopsie ooopsie-Barry. In Nabby's case, they were me, Salyavin, and Michael. Let's see if Salyavin has the integrity to point this out to Barry. It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally petty, such as feeling that they forced Nabby to post the way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute? You said it pea brain.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I smell blood in the water. :-) Yes, you could put on your headstone, I was too chickenshit to have an argument on the Internet. So there. LOL - you sure ain't fooling anybody, with your ongoing passive-aggressive schtick. Better to confront someone directly, than proclaiming loudly *for the last ten years* how, you don't give a shit - That is an awfully long time to be proclaiming such a thing. If you really felt that way, you'd have shut your mouth about it, long ago. See how stupid it is, to pretend you are something that you are not? The prime example of this was him embarrassing response to Edg the other day. Talk about a guy (Bawwy) who is terrified of actually engaging in a discussion and metaphorically runs for the hills when there is an opportunity to say anything meaningful after having spit in the face of those who bother to try and engage him. All Bawwy had was lame insults, as if he was terrified of what would happen if he actually had to interact. He never does, he simply prescribes and postures and insults. That's it. That's Bawwy - a really sad old fart. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm It's obviously fulfilling some sort of function for them, I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done? What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they log off at the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones: I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET SO THERE It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a sort of You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you to publicly say something you don't believe It seems to make people feel better. Go figure. It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally petty, such as feeling that they forced Nabby to post the way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that they forced Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. Don't any of these people have LIVES? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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What he'll never tell you is that he used to argue, frequently, enthusiastically, and at length. Trouble was, he was incompetent at it. His arguments had the same gross deficiencies his solo rants do today: illogical, factually inaccurate, lazy, sloppy thinking, painfully shallow--and these deficiencies were repeatedly pointed out by those he tried to argue with. He became a constant embarrassment to himself. Finally it dawned on him that he'd be better off not arguing at all. And to cover his tail, he invented the Don't give a shit and Just my opinion mantras and the whole silly story about how arguing, and those who argue, are low vibe. He hides behind them to this day. I smell blood in the water. :-) Yes, you could put on your headstone, I was too chickenshit to have an argument on the Internet. So there. LOL - you sure ain't fooling anybody, with your ongoing passive-aggressive schtick. Better to confront someone directly, than proclaiming loudly *for the last ten years* how, you don't give a shit - That is an awfully long time to be proclaiming such a thing. If you really felt that way, you'd have shut your mouth about it, long ago. See how stupid it is, to pretend you are something that you are not? What I wonder about is what some of them -- such as the woman who has been doing this non-stop for almost 20 years now -- will do when they log off at the end of LIFE. Will they put on their headstones: I NEVER LOST AN ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET SO THERE It reminds me of these twitter spats that go viral, someone says something vaguely contraversial and the rest of the world tries to get them to apologise. I don't know why because it would be howlingly insincere if they did, but they get badgered incessantly until they do. The point of it seems to be control, a sort of You may disagree with the herd but we'll humiliate you by getting you to publicly say something you don't believe It seems to make people feel better. Go figure. It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally petty, such as feeling that they forced Nabby to post the way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it. Or that they forced Share (or someone else they obsess about) to respond to them. Don't any of these people have LIVES? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm Reading your posts these days is like visiting a mental hospital. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to learn the higher level techniques. So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.
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On 3/10/2014 9:44 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously the two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because he has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. Translation: I don't like you, Share, because you make me JELLOS, and because you like Richard and Barry. I hate you Share!
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On 3/10/2014 10:15 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: My bad, I found the statement. I was confused reading all the subsequent stuff that really *didn't* make any sense. It looks to me like Judy and MJ are trying to confuse Emily by deliberately posting false statements about MMY and the TMO and TM practice. Now, why would Judy and MJ want to confuse Emily - she's not even a TMer. Why can't MJ and Judy just be truthful about basic TM? Go figure.
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(guffaw) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/10/2014 9:44 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Share, I wasn't there, Feste wasn't there. You and Buck were, and obviously the two of you disagree. I would take Buck's opinion over yours any day because he has a more balanced view of Bevan, whereas you're a Bevan cultist. Translation: I don't like you, Share, because you make me JELLOS, and because you like Richard and Barry. I hate you Share!
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On 3/10/2014 11:34 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh, this is funny. In the Feeb's excuse for a brain, taking apart one exchange of Share's constitutes dissecting every word she says. It is a pattern with Judy, to try and discredit anyone she doesn't like and anyone who disagrees with her. She's like a bully in playground and I'm not the first person to note this. Judy has a bad rep on this forum for being antagonistic in the extreme - even to the point of being hateful at times. Judy is NOT a spiritual teacher, that's fer sure. Judy sucks at helping people understand the mechanics of consciousness. That's what I think.
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On 3/11/2014 8:55 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: What he'll never tell you is that he /used/ to argue, frequently, enthusiastically, and at length. Translation: I don't like Barry because he talks back to me and refuses to accept my leadership on this forum and because he makes fun of me.
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Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to learn the higher level techniques. So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.
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This does seem to be her pattern. As for the mechanics of consciousness, I am not sure there are any. The mechanics are what you do to attempt to find out about consciousness, and if they work out, then you come to a certain realisation about it, and that is that. I have found just about everyone on this forum has been at one time or another been helpful for understanding the spiritual rap except Judy and Robin. Judy is sometimes helpful as a fact checker, but I think she often misuses that information to continue argumentation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/10/2014 11:34 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Oh, this is funny. In the Feeb's excuse for a brain, taking apart one exchange of Share's constitutes dissecting every word she says. It is a pattern with Judy, to try and discredit anyone she doesn't like and anyone who disagrees with her. She's like a bully in playground and I'm not the first person to note this. Judy has a bad rep on this forum for being antagonistic in the extreme - even to the point of being hateful at times. Judy is NOT a spiritual teacher, that's fer sure. Judy sucks at helping people understand the mechanics of consciousness. That's what I think.
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On 3/11/2014 8:36 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: *All Bawwy had was lame insults, as if he was terrified of what would happen if he actually had to interact.* You should read the rant that Edg posted to Curtis if you want to see how terrified Edg was to actually interact and make a sensible response with someone. If anybody should be lame, it would be Edg. This guy is a radical misfit and deserves everything Barry can throw at him. That's what I think. Fuck you Curtis. I'm only talking about holes-in-walls that don't make sense to me. The people who died in the crashes are not the issue. Of course their memories are sacred in the minds of their loved ones. You're just absurd like Bill Clinton with his how dare you? Tell us your stance on waterboarding and habeas corpus. Tell us about America's genocidal actions and how that squares with how dare you. My title said it all: 9-11 is a blip for GlobalBiz, but you want to shame me here for being inconsiderate of the families of the people who died? Fuck you, you enabling bastard. I cried tears dozens of times in the 9-11 week. My heart was wrung dry by the carnage. Fuck you, Curtis for trying to position me as unthinking about the hearts of those who lost a loved one. How dare you drag the honored dead into this discussion for such a low purpose! Show your true stripes you cowardly spin-master for evil. Tell us where you agree or disagree with any political candidate for president. Let's see your cards -- I'm betting your immorality and cold-heartedness will show up bigtime in any stance you take that requires you to explain yourself about abortion, war, GlobalBiz, genocide, etc. For you to pick such an issue and try to besmirch me and my essay which calls for an examination of the evil that is actually in our faces, I condemn you as evil's apologist. Fuck you, Curtis. What a disappointment, what joke for a personality, what a sell out! That, or there's a dark morass of worms eating your brain. How you manage to still love anything is astounding. My only hope is that the power of music soothes you enough to keep you a keyboardist and off the streets. Tell me you'd vote for Kucinich, and I'll take back 90% of the above excoriations. Edg Duveyoung Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:56 am Dick Cheney Meditating http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844
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Sez Xeno, expertly demonstrating the pattern of those who find me threatening (and who found Robin threatening). This does seem to be her pattern. As for the mechanics of consciousness, I am not sure there are any. The mechanics are what you do to attempt to find out about consciousness, and if they work out, then you come to a certain realisation about it, and that is that. I have found just about everyone on this forum has been at one time or another been helpful for understanding the spiritual rap except Judy and Robin. Judy is sometimes helpful as a fact checker, but I think she often misuses that information to continue argumentation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/10/2014 11:34 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: Oh, this is funny. In the Feeb's excuse for a brain, taking apart one exchange of Share's constitutes dissecting every word she says. It is a pattern with Judy, to try and discredit anyone she doesn't like and anyone who disagrees with her. She's like a bully in playground and I'm not the first person to note this. Judy has a bad rep on this forum for being antagonistic in the extreme - even to the point of being hateful at times. Judy is NOT a spiritual teacher, that's fer sure. Judy sucks at helping people understand the mechanics of consciousness. That's what I think.
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Share, anyone interested in the TM-Sidhi programme would likely want to know anything they could find out about it. Everyone on the path of enlightenment is confused anyway; it doesn't matter so much if there is some information you do not understand, because there are always things one does not understand, and when we realise that, we try to find out, that is how we all got into this stuff. Even a detailed description of the mechanics of a technique does not necessarily result in knowing how to pull it off oneself. What about the descriptions of how TM works given in intro and prep lectures to those who are at the time NON-meditators? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to learn the higher level techniques. So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.
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Edg sure had Curtis's number. Bravo, Edg. I'd forgotten that post. You should read the rant that Edg posted to Curtis if you want to see how terrified Edg was to actually interact and make a sensible response with someone. If anybody should be lame, it would be Edg. This guy is a radical misfit and deserves everything Barry can throw at him. That's what I think. Fuck you Curtis. I'm only talking about holes-in-walls that don't make sense to me. The people who died in the crashes are not the issue. Of course their memories are sacred in the minds of their loved ones. You're just absurd like Bill Clinton with his how dare you? Tell us your stance on waterboarding and habeas corpus. Tell us about America's genocidal actions and how that squares with how dare you. My title said it all: 9-11 is a blip for GlobalBiz, but you want to shame me here for being inconsiderate of the families of the people who died? Fuck you, you enabling bastard. I cried tears dozens of times in the 9-11 week. My heart was wrung dry by the carnage. Fuck you, Curtis for trying to position me as unthinking about the hearts of those who lost a loved one. How dare you drag the honored dead into this discussion for such a low purpose! Show your true stripes you cowardly spin-master for evil. Tell us where you agree or disagree with any political candidate for president. Let's see your cards -- I'm betting your immorality and cold-heartedness will show up bigtime in any stance you take that requires you to explain yourself about abortion, war, GlobalBiz, genocide, etc. For you to pick such an issue and try to besmirch me and my essay which calls for an examination of the evil that is actually in our faces, I condemn you as evil's apologist. Fuck you, Curtis. What a disappointment, what joke for a personality, what a sell out! That, or there's a dark morass of worms eating your brain. How you manage to still love anything is astounding. My only hope is that the power of music soothes you enough to keep you a keyboardist and off the streets. Tell me you'd vote for Kucinich, and I'll take back 90% of the above excoriations. Edg Duveyoung Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:56 am Dick Cheney Meditating http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844
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On 3/11/2014 8:18 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Opsie ooopsie ooopsie-Barry. In Nabby's case, they were me, Salyavin, and Michael. Let's see if Salyavin has the integrity to point this out to Barry. It looks like you are attempting to control and force Sal to do something that is really petty and unimportant to a chat forum, so you can argue and obsess about unimportant meaningless shit. Judy is a nitpicker. That's what I think. It's a control issue. And the element of control can be completely and totally petty, such as feeling that they forced Nabby to post the way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it.
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On 3/11/2014 7:24 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Judy's motto: Get your mean out! You can pretty much tell who has done their morning meditation, Steve, by reading what's on their mind in the early morning. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Share watchers and CORRECTORS.
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Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. Share, can you explain this to me? Or, someone else? Why is it a good idea to do this? What is the purpose? To police each other? Don't you know who is badged and who isn't? Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it just a ritual of saying hello to one's friends? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to learn the higher level techniques. So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.
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Xeno, if you can remember the details of what was said in the TM intro, then I take my hat off to you. Mine was 39 years ago. I remember the bubble diagram. Twice a year there are TMSP courses in Fairfield. I'm guessing that meetings are held beforehand to teach people a little about it. But not enough to spoil their innocence with the practice. What I absolutely love after all these decades of doing TMSP, is that I thoroughly enjoy all the paradoxes that life is, like silence along with activity. It's a great gift and I feel fortunate and grateful. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:54 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, anyone interested in the TM-Sidhi programme would likely want to know anything they could find out about it. Everyone on the path of enlightenment is confused anyway; it doesn't matter so much if there is some information you do not understand, because there are always things one does not understand, and when we realise that, we try to find out, that is how we all got into this stuff. Even a detailed description of the mechanics of a technique does not necessarily result in knowing how to pull it off oneself. What about the descriptions of how TM works given in intro and prep lectures to those who are at the time NON-meditators? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, you make a really good point. Most of the TMers in FF are govs or sidhas. At this point it's probably new MUM students who are meditators and since they are likely to become sidhas, it's good to let them have their own meeting which doesn't involve going into detail about the mechanics of the TMSP. As I said before, late arrivals were swarming into the hall, with only one guy badge checking. To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. I guess Buck is soo glad he brought up the topic (-: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:06 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/10/2014 9:32 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: Perhaps allowing it would spur interest in paying the extra money to learn the higher level techniques. So, I wonder how many people live in Fairfield that are just basic TMers and why would they want to crash a TMSP meeting on the MUM campus with Bevan? Apparently there is a checking of badges because Bevan can't remember who is what or even their first name. Go figure.
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Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to have any effect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. Share, can you explain this to me? Or, someone else? Why is it a good idea to do this? What is the purpose? To police each other? Don't you know who is badged and who isn't? Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it just a ritual of saying hello to one's friends?
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Richard, why do you make this stuff up? None of this happened. For the record, I have absolutely nothing against TM. Nothing. I haven't done it, I have no basis to judge it or its efficacy, etc. I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure - nothing wrong with asking questions about it. I ask questions about what I am curious about, for example, what Share said that I just asked her about. Do you know the answer to my queries? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/10/2014 10:15 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: My bad, I found the statement. I was confused reading all the subsequent stuff that really *didn't* make any sense. It looks to me like Judy and MJ are trying to confuse Emily by deliberately posting false statements about MMY and the TMO and TM practice. Now, why would Judy and MJ want to confuse Emily - she's not even a TMer. Why can't MJ and Judy just be truthful about basic TM? Go figure.
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Xeno, what was hush hush about it?! When the first sidhas came back to FF in 76 or whenever it was, they held meetings about it and I remember Jon Shear talking about his experiences. As for the cost, I got much of mine free because I had worked on staff. For less than a year! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:28 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to have any effect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. Share, can you explain this to me? Or, someone else? Why is it a good idea to do this? What is the purpose? To police each other? Don't you know who is badged and who isn't? Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it just a ritual of saying hello to one's friends?
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Thanks Xeno. I was asking out of innocent curiosity just to understand, not to put a burr on Share, whatever that means. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to have any effect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. Share, can you explain this to me? Or, someone else? Why is it a good idea to do this? What is the purpose? To police each other? Don't you know who is badged and who isn't? Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it just a ritual of saying hello to one's friends?
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On 3/11/2014 2:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done? Who says they log off? Maybe they just lay their head down on the desk and nod off and dream about what they are going to post the next day. You can usually tell something about a person if they get to their work station at 6:00 AM and their first post is at 6:01, and their last post is at 12:01 AM, and you know they are posting from their home office. Posting times and frequency of posting can tell you a lot about what people are doing, even without reading their posts. For example, if they respond to a post within a minute or two in the middle of the day you know that they probably are posting from their work place, since most normal people work during the day. So, I'd say that some people like Judy and Barry are on their computers just about 24 x 7 and they are monitoring every post sent to this forum almost ever minute of the day. It does make you wonder how they get any real work done or practice their spiritual program - but, maybe this IS their spiritual program and work well done. Go figure.
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Share, can you answer my questions about what you wrote? Or, have I so annoyed you that you must insist on dismissing me. I really am curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Xeno, what was hush hush about it?! When the first sidhas came back to FF in 76 or whenever it was, they held meetings about it and I remember Jon Shear talking about his experiences. As for the cost, I got much of mine free because I had worked on staff. For less than a year! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:28 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Share has 'nice memories', don't read great significance into this. Let it slide. In the beginning, the TM-Sidhi program was a very hush hush affair, very secretive. After all those who learned back then had something that no one else in the movement had. The programme was selling for over twenty times the cost of TM. To find out anything people had to pay up and go through all sorts of checks and preparatory courses. I suppose it is a bit more relaxed these days. I do not think that trying to put a burr on Share's nicey niceyness is going to have any effect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: To me it seemed like a good idea for the audience members to check each other's badges. Plus it brought up nice memories of when we used to do that, before there were Domes for group program. Share, can you explain this to me? Or, someone else? Why is it a good idea to do this? What is the purpose? To police each other? Don't you know who is badged and who isn't? Why would there be nice memories of doing that - is it just a ritual of saying hello to one's friends?
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On 3/11/2014 2:17 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. Maybe Barry should apply for residency - he's been reading Judy's posts at least since 1996. Obviously Barry is very disturbed by some others being on this forum. So, how many years can you visit a mental institution without becoming a resident by default, unless you are a doctor or a social worker of some kind? Go figure.
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On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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Hmmm, who said I was trying to learn TM? I never said I had any prejudices against MMY; in fact, I don't. I just said the power of his enlightened persona (which I have gathered was quite powerful) does not translate for me through the videos. I think Share is too scared to answer my question, honestly. I am sorry she is so scared of me. I'm not that person. I am curious as to what her reasoning is behind what *she* said. You think they double checked the dome badges to make sure no one there might be trying to confuse themselves? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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Richard, talking about himself - the man who demonstrates through his posts a stream of self-talk 24/7, per his own words. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 2:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done? Who says they log off? Maybe they just lay their head down on the desk and nod off and dream about what they are going to post the next day. You can usually tell something about a person if they get to their work station at 6:00 AM and their first post is at 6:01, and their last post is at 12:01 AM, and you know they are posting from their home office. Posting times and frequency of posting can tell you a lot about what people are doing, even without reading their posts. For example, if they respond to a post within a minute or two in the middle of the day you know that they probably are posting from their work place, since most normal people work during the day. So, I'd say that some people like Judy and Barry are on their computers just about 24 x 7 and they are monitoring every post sent to this forum almost ever minute of the day. It does make you wonder how they get any real work done or practice their spiritual program - but, maybe this IS their spiritual program and work well done. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 8:36 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote: All Bawwy had was lame insults, as if he was terrified of what would happen if he actually had to interact. You should read the rant that Edg posted to Curtis if you want to see how terrified Edg was to actually interact and make a sensible response with someone. If anybody should be lame, it would be Edg. This guy is a radical misfit and deserves everything Barry can throw at him. That's what I think. It's good to know that all is right and well in the karmic scheme of things, pundit sir. As usual you are a wealth of good sense and truth. Keep up the good work. Fuck you Curtis. I'm only talking about holes-in-walls that don't make sense to me. The people who died in the crashes are not the issue. Of course their memories are sacred in the minds of their loved ones. You're just absurd like Bill Clinton with his how dare you? Tell us your stance on waterboarding and habeas corpus. Tell us about America's genocidal actions and how that squares with how dare you. My title said it all: 9-11 is a blip for GlobalBiz, but you want to shame me here for being inconsiderate of the families of the people who died? Fuck you, you enabling bastard. I cried tears dozens of times in the 9-11 week. My heart was wrung dry by the carnage. Fuck you, Curtis for trying to position me as unthinking about the hearts of those who lost a loved one. How dare you drag the honored dead into this discussion for such a low purpose! Show your true stripes you cowardly spin-master for evil. Tell us where you agree or disagree with any political candidate for president. Let's see your cards -- I'm betting your immorality and cold-heartedness will show up bigtime in any stance you take that requires you to explain yourself about abortion, war, GlobalBiz, genocide, etc. For you to pick such an issue and try to besmirch me and my essay which calls for an examination of the evil that is actually in our faces, I condemn you as evil's apologist. Fuck you, Curtis. What a disappointment, what joke for a personality, what a sell out! That, or there's a dark morass of worms eating your brain. How you manage to still love anything is astounding. My only hope is that the power of music soothes you enough to keep you a keyboardist and off the streets. Tell me you'd vote for Kucinich, and I'll take back 90% of the above excoriations. Edg Duveyoung Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:56 am Dick Cheney Meditating http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/152844
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Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:02 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). Salyavin is between a rock and a hard place. He can speak up and confirm that Barry goofed badly, or he can keep quiet and allow folks to think Barry considers him (and Michael) completely and totally petty and obsessed...with meaningless shit. There isn't anything Richard can do about that. Opsie ooopsie ooopsie-Barry. In Nabby's case, they were me, Salyavin, and Michael. Let's see if Salyavin has the integrity to point this out to Barry. It looks like you are attempting to control and force Sal to do something that is really petty and unimportant to a chat forum, so you can argue and obsess about unimportant meaningless shit. Judy is a nitpicker. That's what I think. It's a control issue. And theelement of control can be completely and totally petty, such as feeling that they forced Nabby to post the way that *they* want him to post so that they can obsess more easily on meaningless shit said on an unimportant chat forum so that they can better argue about it.
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And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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Thank you Share. I retain my innocence of all things TM in letting this go. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:02 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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OK, Share, let's see these indications. Put up or shut up. (She won't put up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up either. Such integrity. So saintly. So nicey-nice.) In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this bafflegabbing attack on me. With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a tragic figure. I doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong. (And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, whereas Feste and I had not. So stop trying to make it seem as if I hadn't made that clear right up front. That was my whole point, after all, that I found Buck more credible than you because he doesn't try to idealize Bevan.) Emily is so right in everything she says about you, Share. You are the least straightforward, least authentic person I've ever encountered. Emily doesn't say this, but I will: You are a deeply, deeply dishonest, morally corrupt individual and not who you pretend to be. And I will continue to make an issue of it, so learn to live with it. Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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You may be jumping to a hasty conclusion - I have always thought that writing succinctly was an admirable goal. Yet, Barry amazes me, in that he can take a half-baked thought, mix in a delusion or three, and write volumes about it, over and over again. I don't know where this particular skill would come in handy, in the real world, but he has it down, and contributes his literary largesse, here, *frequently*.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Says Barry, demonstrating that he has nothing to contribute. Reading *any* posts made by *several* people here is like visiting a mental hospital these days. You can always predict that when the petty squabbling dies down for a few days they'll react to that by rushing in and trying to start it all up again, attacking their standard enemies and trying desperately to suck them back into confrontation mode. What I don't understand is how they -- and in particular I mean Ann, Emily, Judy, Doctordumb, and Richard -- believe that this neediness reflects well on them, and actually produces a payoff. I mean, isn't it wiser -- when you have nothing to contribute -- to STFU, rather than trying to start yet another fight and thus *demonstrating* that you have nothing to contribute?
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Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my How to deal with confrontation junkies post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by doubling down and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her Argue with me...PLEASE! act. Share seems to have wised up and doesn't fall for it, and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If she follows through on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to force her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT. Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, don't allow her to keep running this same tired, angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to suck people into endless arguments in which she can prove (in her twisted mind, at least) that she is superior to them. If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would consider sane, or worth arguing about. Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, just follow my advice. But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm OK, Share, let's see these indications. Put up or shut up. (She won't put up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up either. Such integrity. So saintly. So nicey-nice.) In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this bafflegabbing attack on me. With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a tragic figure. I doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong. (And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, whereas Feste and I had not. So stop trying to make it seem as if I hadn't made that clear right up front. That was my whole point, after all, that I found Buck more credible than you because he doesn't try to idealize Bevan.) Emily is so right in everything she says about you, Share. You are the least straightforward, least authentic person I've ever encountered. Emily doesn't say this, but I will: You are a deeply, deeply dishonest, morally corrupt individual and not who you pretend to be. And I will continue to make an issue of it, so learn to live with it. Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded
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Wow, two of these in one day. Barry's irrational obsession with me has completely taken him over, and his delusional fantasies keep getting more and more elaborate. He can't stand it when he aims one of his lunatic diatribes at me and I just dismiss it in a couple of sentences, as I did this morning and am doing now. Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my How to deal with confrontation junkies post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by doubling down and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her Argue with me...PLEASE! act. Share seems to have wised up and doesn't fall for it, and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If she follows through on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to force her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT. Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, don't allow her to keep running this same tired, angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to suck people into endless arguments in which she can prove (in her twisted mind, at least) that she is superior to them. If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would consider sane, or worth arguing about. Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, just follow my advice. But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm OK, Share, let's see these indications. Put up or shut up. (She won't put up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up either. Such integrity. So saintly. So nicey-nice.) In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this bafflegabbing attack on me. With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a tragic figure. I doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong. (And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, whereas Feste and I had not. So stop trying to make it seem as if I hadn't made that clear right up front. That was my whole point, after all, that I found Buck more credible than you because he doesn't try to idealize Bevan.) Emily is so right in everything she says about you, Share. You are the least straightforward, least authentic person I've ever encountered. Emily doesn't say this, but I will: You are a deeply, deeply dishonest, morally corrupt
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Barry, I suggest that you relax a little and recognize that your perceptions are sounding paranoid. Are you feeling angry today? Is it a nice day in Leiden? Do those dogs need a walk? Maybe a little music will help today. Classical might be good choice for you today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Wow, two of these in one day. Barry's irrational obsession with me has completely taken him over, and his delusional fantasies keep getting more and more elaborate. He can't stand it when he aims one of his lunatic diatribes at me and I just dismiss it in a couple of sentences, as I did this morning and am doing now. Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my How to deal with confrontation junkies post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by doubling down and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her Argue with me...PLEASE! act. Share seems to have wised up and doesn't fall for it, and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If she follows through on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to force her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT. Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, don't allow her to keep running this same tired, angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to suck people into endless arguments in which she can prove (in her twisted mind, at least) that she is superior to them. If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would consider sane, or worth arguing about. Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, just follow my advice. But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm OK, Share, let's see these indications. Put up or shut up. (She won't put up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up either. Such integrity. So saintly. So nicey-nice.) In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this bafflegabbing attack on me. With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a tragic figure. I doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong. (And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, whereas Feste and I had not. So stop trying to make it seem as if I hadn't made that clear right up front. That was my whole
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That was a pretty long post Barry. I notice that it is about 9:00 pm where you are so you are close to the time where you disappear from the forum until morning. You post less while you are working. If we could all write as fast as you, we could swamp her with material like Richard did a while back. A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. I am not doing anything creative today, just shredding old documents. The shredder is not powerful enough for a human being though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : [text compacted version for those of you with ADD] Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by doubling down and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. If she follows through on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to force her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. And you others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for.
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Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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The problem here is Barry addressed it to the rest of us, not to you. I think it is close to his bedtime, so he probably just wanted to write some fluffy, warm prose so he could retire comfortably after a day well done. I bet he does not waste a thought on you after he presses 'Send'. As a writer with a keyboard, one has to keep the fingers limber doing exercises from time to time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Wow, two of these in one day. Barry's irrational obsession with me has completely taken him over, and his delusional fantasies keep getting more and more elaborate. He can't stand it when he aims one of his lunatic diatribes at me and I just dismiss it in a couple of sentences, as I did this morning and am doing now. Ahem. Do you people SEE what I was talking about in my How to deal with confrontation junkies post? Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by doubling down and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. In other words, Judy is FREAKING OUT because she wasn't able to run her Argue with me...PLEASE! act. Share seems to have wised up and doesn't fall for it, and Judy simply cannot handle that. But, rather than re-evaluate her own behavior, she just doubles down and tries to perpetuate it. Classic Robin. If she follows through on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to force her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. DON'T FALL FOR IT, SHARE. And you others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for. DON'T FALL FOR IT. Whether you like Judy or don't like her, do what is best for her. That is, don't allow her to keep running this same tired, angry-old-maid-looking-for-attention-in-the-only-way-she-knows-how-to-get-it routine. What she WANTS is the same thing that her cult guru Robin wanted -- to suck people into endless arguments in which she can prove (in her twisted mind, at least) that she is superior to them. If that's your idea of a good time, having seen her act out this routine endless times on this forum, then by all means fall into her trap and perpetuate the squabbling and petty ego-nonsense she seems to live for. If you'd like this forum to get past that kind of pettiness, then just do what I suggested earlier. IGNORE THE PROVOCATIONS. Treat them as what they are -- the desperate ploys of a lonely, not-completely-sane old woman to get attention in the form of people arguing with her, about petty shit that almost NO ONE would consider sane, or worth arguing about. Starve her out. JUST SAY NO to her endless taunts and argument-starters. And then sit back and watch what she does when that happens. This post of hers was an example of the kind of freak-out that will happen. If you want more, just follow my advice. But it's up to you, of course. If you really *enjoy* all the petty squabbling she seems to live for, then by all means fall for her taunts and allow yourself to be sucked into yet another of her endless arguments. If you think that this forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm OK, Share, let's see these indications. Put up or shut up. (She won't put up, because she doesn't have any such indications; but she won't shut up either. Such integrity. So saintly. So nicey-nice.) In this post, I was pointing out something you don't want to have pointed out, which is that you profess to admire a person who constantly tells lies about other people. I was curious as to whether you would cop to this, which of course you have not. You are, I suspect, just as happy to have folks think Emily was trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet, so you aren't going to correct Richard's disingenuous suggestion. Instead we get this bafflegabbing attack on me. With regard to Buck, as you know, my issue there had to do with your claiming you knew what he meant when he characterized Bevan as a tragic figure. I doubted that, and I was right. You offered two versions of what he meant, both of which significantly missed the mark, as we found out when he told us what he did mean. But you will not acknowledge that you got it wrong. (And I made the point, by the way, that you and Buck had both attended, whereas Feste
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Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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On 3/11/2014 11:10 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Hmmm, who said I was trying to learn TM? I never said I had any prejudices against MMY; in fact, I don't. I just said the power of his enlightened persona (which I have gathered was quite powerful) does not translate for me through the videos. I think Share is too scared to answer my question, honestly. I am sorry she is so scared of me. I'm not that person. I am curious as to what her reasoning is behind what *she* said. You think they double checked the dome badges to make sure no one there might be trying to confuse themselves? I think I just answered the question for Share. They don't want anyone in there that might be interested in the TMSP who hasn't learned it yet, because they might get confused. That's why they have a three night lecture before you learn basic TM. It's so simple that people make it complicated if they don't get on the program. Most of the time, when people try to learn about TM on the internet, they get confused. Some people, like MJ, seem to get confused after they learn TM. Sometimes people get so confused they do dumb things, like go to discredited people like John Knapp for cult recovery therapy. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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On 3/11/2014 11:17 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, talking about himself - the man who demonstrates through his posts a stream of self-talk 24/7, per his own words. Thanks, that's what I do best. Somebody has to do the heavy lifting around here. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 2:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I wonder if they log off at the end of the day with a sense of satisfaction of a job well done? Who says they log off? Maybe they just lay their head down on the desk and nod off and dream about what they are going to post the next day. You can usually tell something about a person if they get to their work station at 6:00 AM and their first post is at 6:01, and their last post is at 12:01 AM, and you know they are posting from their home office. Posting times and frequency of posting can tell you a lot about what people are doing, even without reading their posts. For example, if they respond to a post within a minute or two in the middle of the day you know that they probably are posting from their work place, since most normal people work during the day. So, I'd say that some people like Judy and Barry are on their computers just about 24 x 7 and they are monitoring every post sent to this forum almost ever minute of the day. It does make you wonder how they get any real work done or practice their spiritual program - but, maybe this IS their spiritual program and work well done. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The problem here is Barry addressed it to the rest of us, not to you. I think it is close to his bedtime, so he probably just wanted to write some fluffy, warm prose so he could retire comfortably after a day well done. I bet he does not waste a thought on you after he presses 'Send'. That's all Bawwy does - waste time - his and ours. Glad you enjoy him - it must be your enlightenment talking. As a writer with a keyboard, one has to keep the fingers limber doing exercises from time to time. Yea that and clicking the channel changer ad infinitum.
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Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. After, doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so it really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that statement then means something as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in enlightenment now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go figure.
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On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in enlightenment now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him. Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That was a pretty long post Barry. I notice that it is about 9:00 pm where you are so you are close to the time where you disappear from the forum until morning. You post less while you are working. If we could all write as fast as you, we could swamp her with material like Richard did a while back. A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. I am not doing anything creative today, just shredding old documents. The shredder is not powerful enough for a human being though. I like this idea of compacting Bawwy. I think we could do this better still. How about: I hate you all, so there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : [text compacted version for those of you with ADD] Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by doubling down and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. If she follows through on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to force her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. And you others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for.
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On 3/11/2014 12:28 PM, Share Long wrote: As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! It is for sure some kind of brain problem situation we have on our hands. Share and Buck just want to talk about TM practice and exchange news. Why is that so difficult for others to handle? It's about a relaxation technique and a meeting inside a school building. Get a grip, People!
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Gold Star! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : That was a pretty long post Barry. I notice that it is about 9:00 pm where you are so you are close to the time where you disappear from the forum until morning. You post less while you are working. If we could all write as fast as you, we could swamp her with material like Richard did a while back. A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. I am not doing anything creative today, just shredding old documents. The shredder is not powerful enough for a human being though. I like this idea of compacting Bawwy. I think we could do this better still. How about: I hate you all, so there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : [text compacted version for those of you with ADD] Judy (stupidly) is following through and reacting to Share failing to fall for her provocations and argue with her by doubling down and trying to insult and taunt and defame her into doing so once again. If she follows through on her slavish devotion to his methods, the next step will be to start to write 5,000-10,000 word diatribes against Share (not to mention the others who called her on her obvious attempts to restart the argumentation today) to try to force her (or us) into replying in the form Judy wants, which is *clearly* the one-to-one confrontational argument mode I described earlier. And you others out there...you *know* by now that sooner or later she'll try the same routine on YOU, too, and try to get YOU to fall for her provocations and enter into one of the head-to-head arguments she lives for.
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At last, my Orca buddy!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him. Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : At last, my Orca buddy!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him. Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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Nice teeth! All that potential going to waste -- where's TB? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : At last, my Orca buddy!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him. Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Nice teeth! All that potential going to waste -- where's TB? In my large intestine heading for my colon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : At last, my Orca buddy!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him. Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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On 3/11/2014 9:36 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: A computer program would be better, automatically assembling stock phrases from your previous efforts, and others, and then posting them non stop. You must be new around here - that's what I've been doing for the past five years. Go figure.
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On 3/11/2014 2:14 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: If you think that this forum has more to offer than that kind of insanity, don't. Are you insane - I'm not leaving the forum until you tell me the levitation secret.
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I'm guessing a flavor somewhere between road-kill, old beer, and rotting sardines, with an aftertaste of bitter disappointment? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Nice teeth! All that potential going to waste -- where's TB? In my large intestine heading for my colon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : At last, my Orca buddy!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Oh, what a good idea, Emily. I'll pray for him too. You two go ahead. I'll keep preying on him. Yes, I just checked the time in Leiden. 9:20 pm. Barry, maybe an evening walk, or an early night with lots of sleep. Maybe leave the bier alone and try a cup of chamomile tea. I'll pray for you. Smile.
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Enlightenment, known as the accurate perception of reality, does exist, and can be achieved, but not by the self, because that doesn't conform to the accurate perception of reality. The accurate perception of reality is also called waking up, awakening, liberation, moksha, all these different words, describing aspects of the same thing, subjectively, and objectively. It is the beginning of living, so, unlike most achievements, signaling the end of a process, this one *never* stops. Once the accurate perception of reality takes hold, there is also a infant-like recognition, of both the breadth and depth of what one is facing -- immense, incomprehensible, and unending. What I heard is that UG was born enlightened, so he taught, erroneously, that this rare gift of his, was also immediately available to everyone else, and that the path, composed of sadhana, reflection and integration, was unnecessary. He clearly needed additional reflection before teaching.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Enlightenment is like that. Before enlightenment you believe it exists. After, doesn't matter because you were chasing something you had all along, so it really does not exist. The idea that there was some special state called enlightenment was a pipe dream. Notice some teachers, like MMY talk of enlightenment, and some like UG Krishanmurti say there really isn't anything called enlightenment. Depending on where you are in the search, you can take your pick how you want to portray what you have experienced. If someone is searching for it, then by all means tell them it could be worthwhile, because if they have the bug authentically, they won't rest until they find out. Statements that it is a crock are also useful, for if they find out, that statement then means something as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/11/2014 12:08 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: It looks like Richard is attempting to protect Barry from the increasingly embarrassing bloopers he makes when he has one of his fits of demonizing the folks he doesn't like (i.e., his critics). Yes, I was attempting to protect Barry because he needs a little help every once in awhile when he has one those fits of demonizing people he doesn't like; and because he is from Texas too and we were both military brats at one time; and we both liked the Rama guy that he doesn't want to talk about. But, Barry seems confused these days - he once posted that he didn't believe in enlightenment now he is posting that he does believe in enlightenment. Go figure.
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Share, a smile at the start of the day! A laugh at the end of the day! Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, it's pointless for you to present yourself as the upholder of truth and accurate descriptions. Even in this thread I've seen indications that you are far from that. Except in your own deluded mind. And I don't believe you when you say that you are just curious about how far my admiration of Richard extends. I think you are trolling, butting in and muddying the waters as usual. As you did when I simply disagreed with something Buck said about a meeting he and I both attended and you did not. Why do you even have an interest in the difference of opinion between me and Buck? Really, what significance is it to you? As Richard might say, I think you got a brain problem going on! On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:14 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: And what do you think about Richard's first statement, suggesting that Emily is trying to learn TM by reading about it on the Internet? Do you think that's an accurate description of what Emily is doing? Just curious as to how far your admiration of Richard extends. Emily, Richard's last 3 sentences here are a concise explanation of why badge checking is good. On 3/11/2014 10:34 AM, emilymaenot@... wrote: I have tried to listen to MMY videos posted here; the power of his enlightened persona does not translate through these videos for me. The TMO is an organization with a certain structure You are not following the organization structure - you can't learn TM by reading about it on the internet or in a chat room like this. You are supposed to attend a three night lecture to explain what TM is all about - you apparently have not done that for some reason. It's probably already too late for you to overcome your prejudices against MMY after reading the posts here. MMY has NOTHING to do with your practice of TM. In order for TM to be successful you need to approach the practice innocently. That's why they check dome badges, not to be exclusive, but so as to not get you confused about the advanced practices. That's the point I think.
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Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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On 3/9/2014 10:52 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: I got a couple things incorrect and in fact posted a draft of that piece here on FFL. You got a lot wrong in your MMY hit piece for John Knapp but there were only got a few comments posted on the TM-Free Blog. It looks to me like the whole TM-Free site is almost moribund except for your latest report. Maybe you need to keep posting here since this seems to be your target audience. We may still need some convincing and some recovery therapy in order to get out of the MMY cult for good. Keep up the good work!
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:36 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. On Monday, March 10, 2014 9:26 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. I, for one, would be interested what the tragic figure' reference means as you see it according to Buck. This is not a disingenuous question, actually. I really would like to know more about this. Also from Buck's point of view if he would care to comment. On Monday, March 10, 2014 9:26 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. On Monday, March 10, 2014 11:48 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to kindergarten. He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good criticism for the elements around TM now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 'damned democracy'. .., -Buck sharelong60 writes: Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. authfriend So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck .
Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm
Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. Nice touch of nostalgia. On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level.Of course if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to kindergarten. He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good criticism for the elements around TM now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 'damned democracy'. .., -Buck sharelong60 writes: Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. authfriend So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management
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If and when he dies...? There was ever a question about this? :-) I don't really have the depth of feelings about Sir Bevan the Bloated that some here do, because I never had to endure his pomposity more than as an occasional drop-in on my siddhis course. That was more than enough. He was insufferable (but thin) then, and from what I hear only got worse. So while you can hold on to whatever description of him you want, I have only one. It was apparent at first sight, and nothing I have ever heard about him since has persuaded me that he can be accurately called by any other name. Bevan's a TOADY. Always has been, always will be. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level.Of course if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to kindergarten. He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good criticism for the elements around TM now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 'damned democracy'. .., -Buck sharelong60 writes: Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. authfriend So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some
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And Share does her Avoidance Dance again. As it turns out, now that Buck has spoken for himself as to what he actually had in mind by calling Bevan kind of a tragic figure, she didn't have a pretty good idea of what he meant after all. Next time, Share, maybe you should ask Buck (or whoever) what he (or she) means before you disagree, as I suggested to start with. Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. On Monday, March 10, 2014 11:48 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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I wasn't at the meeting, but generosity of spirit is not a phrase I would put in close proximity to the name Bevan Morris. The generosity is extended only to those who accept his authority and do not challenge him in any way. It's easy to appear generous in that situation. Anyone who attempts a genuine, open-ended dialogue with him about movement teaching, organization, or activities will receive something quite different from generosity of spirit, I can assure you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:36 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck
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These are the key points to me: But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down The elitist and exclusionary nature of this spiritual organization is just odd to me, an outsider. What on earth would have happened if non-badge people attended? So what? Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture is sold out, so be it. They want money, right? Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid for the right to be special. You might lose this specialness if you move. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. Nice touch of nostalgia. On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to kindergarten. He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good criticism for the elements around TM now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 'damned democracy'. .., -Buck sharelong60 writes: Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. authfriend So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something
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Emily, the lecture was free. On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: These are the key points to me: But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down The elitist and exclusionary nature of this spiritual organization is just odd to me, an outsider. What on earth would have happened if non-badge people attended? So what? Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture is sold out, so be it. They want money, right? Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid for the right to be special. You might lose this specialness if you move. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. Nice touch of nostalgia. On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level.Of course if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to kindergarten. He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good criticism for the elements around TM now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 'damned democracy'. .., -Buck sharelong60 writes: Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. authfriend So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by kind of a tragic figure before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him,
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Now please explain to me how, if TM and TMSP have no negative side effects or anything about the practices that are anything less than the glowing, gushing gonna make you a superman kind of PR the Movement promotes them as being, how can a man who has practiced them for decades AND who has spent tons of time around Marshy - how can he wind up being this kind of person? If TM and TMSP are so superlative, all the tendencies he ever had to behave the way he does should have long ago been released. And lets not forget the first three sutras - friendliness, happiness and compassion - he's been doing those sutras daily for more than 30 years??? On Mon, 3/10/14, feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] a REALLY important meditator meeting today 1:30pm To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 10, 2014, 6:23 PM I wasn't at the meeting, but generosity of spirit is not a phrase I would put in close proximity to the name Bevan Morris. The generosity is extended only to those who accept his authority and do not challenge him in any way. It's easy to appear generous in that situation. Anyone who attempts a genuine, open-ended dialogue with him about movement teaching, organization, or activities will receive something quite different from generosity of spirit, I can assure you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:36 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a tragic figure. This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 7:27 PM, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there,-Buck mjackson74 writes:I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi Universityof Management is meeting with the meditatingcommunity today. Today, on Maharishi Universityof Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30pmBring a valid Dome badge to getin.Be there or be square,-Buck
