Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
still embedded as fealty test. This basically means your at war with the United States of America you have 24 hours to surrender.
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Thank you for your responses. The information and insights that you provide are helpful. Regarding the administration's areas of concerns, such as non-MV Yagyas, I assume these are present tense concerns -- and not concerns for some minor things in the past. I understand the admin concerns if an applicant is currently sponsoring yagyas, or actively practicing or promoting some other self-development methods. However, I assume that it is not an issue if one is not currently (nor for many years) involved with any other program or practices. For example, if this is the policy, then some type of limited yagya sponsorship 20 years ago would be irrelevant to participating in ILC and/or Dome programs. I know you don't speak for the course administration, but any insights that you may have on the experience of contemporary IAA and ILC applicants would be helpful. I do notice that the ILC application appears distinctly gentle and considerate. I assume this reflects a newer, kinder and mature approach compared to some more rigid admin guidelines and policies that may have existed in the past. For example, the application asks, "Please let us know the names of the two TM Teachers you are most well known to, so we can give one or both of them a call. ... This is not a compulsory question. If you don't know two TM Teachers, that's okay. ..." Thanks.
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Whatever yagya.. If you want to come to Fairfield for respite or to ‘feel the vibe’ just simply apply. It is pretty straight forward for many. RajaWilliam here below or some people may feel supporting various yagya programs is even irrelevant as to whether someone should be in membership meditating in the group but there is a small ownership group inside who have their own creed about this that has become religious-like test amongst themselves as to what Maharishi may have said at some point and whether that can be changed. Of course yagya and other divisions of M Vedic Science are not relevant to most meditators who come simply as practitioners. All along people have practically used civil disobedience to be in the communal collective of the Domes as practitioners when it comes to what creedal religious-like rigidities were embedded in the membership guidelines over private life.. The powers that be took a chance to change this recently last month, down to some short simple paragraphs of guideline as to whether someone simply has learned ™ and the ™-sidhis and would simply practice the program as taught but they did not take the simple path and have kept to their creedlism with a couple or three non-competes like the non-Maharishi yagya still embedded as fealty test. Go ahead and apply. They want meditator program numbers in the Domes now and they are not intending to be as confrontational as they once were with the membership. The Domes are spiritual wonders of the world as places to meditate. Come and be in them if you can. Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa, .D # rajawilliamsmith writes: The yagaya program now is not set up to Maharishi's teachings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : S, Actually you are the kind of person that is hoped for to have come back. Come regardless of what you may have heard of the past administrative state of culture here. The Domes are fabulous places to meditate even so. There is a great and deep spiritual practice community here. The administrative staff want to hear that if you join the group here you’ll practice in the Dome ™ and the ™-Sidhis program as instructed. That is fair enough as far as their facilitating it. The assembly office staff has nothing to do with editing the guidelines or policy so there is no point contending with them otherwise about the state of the guidelines. The guidelines have been some remediated down now from how restrictive they once were over people’s private lives, as they were written and cobbled before. Now they are down to three restricting areas: people who particularly have studied with and practice Art of Living practices, people who promote or may be too involved with other spiritual teachers, and people who promote the use of non-Maharishi yagya. The main interest other than in those particular paragraphs of the guidelines is that the intent is in facilitating the program for people practicing ™ and the ™ Sidhis program simply as instructed, uncorrupted by other practices. So it is. With your being out of affiliation for so long, in applying they may wonder where you have been(?) And, of course, keeping even these remaining non-compete clauses keeps an ‘administrative’ staff busy adjudicating membership that way. Mostly they are nice and good people doing a job. Instead of so much work to separate people from the Dome program the more recent interest is in getting people into the Domes to meditate doing program. You were asking about the program, it is the same basic program you got before adjusted for particulars of scheduling to what has been the larger assembly of folks that was here after 2006. Apply online ahead of time through their web page and when you come to pick up your badge there will be a short orientation as to specifics now. It is quite flexible actually. Kind Regards from Fairfield, Iowa, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug H wrote: "guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. " What are the current guidelines for Dome Group meditation membership? What promises are being referred to, above, "made promises" ? What practices are considered "competing systems to MVS" ? Is there a timeframe for this? That is not practiced for x years? The yagaya program now is not set up to Maharishi's teachings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : S, Actually you are the kind of person
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
The yagaya program now is not set up to Maharishi's teachings.
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
S, Actually you are the kind of person that is hoped for to have come back. Come regardless of what you may have heard of the past administrative state of culture here. The Domes are fabulous places to meditate even so. There is a great and deep spiritual practice community here. The administrative staff want to hear that if you join the group here you’ll practice in the Dome ™ and the ™-Sidhis program as instructed. That is fair enough as far as their facilitating it. The assembly office staff has nothing to do with editing the guidelines or policy so there is no point contending with them otherwise about the state of the guidelines. The guidelines have been some remediated down now from how restrictive they once were over people’s private lives, as they were written and cobbled before. Now they are down to three restricting areas: people who particularly have studied with and practice Art of Living practices, people who promote or may be too involved with other spiritual teachers, and people who promote the use of non-Maharishi yagya. The main interest other than in those particular paragraphs of the guidelines is that the intent is in facilitating the program for people practicing ™ and the ™ Sidhis program simply as instructed, uncorrupted by other practices. So it is. With your being out of affiliation for so long, in applying they may wonder where you have been(?) And, of course, keeping even these remaining non-compete clauses keeps an ‘administrative’ staff busy adjudicating membership that way. Mostly they are nice and good people doing a job. Instead of so much work to separate people from the Dome program the more recent interest is in getting people into the Domes to meditate doing program. You were asking about the program, it is the same basic program you got before adjusted for particulars of scheduling to what has been the larger assembly of folks that was here after 2006. Apply online ahead of time through their web page and when you come to pick up your badge there will be a short orientation as to specifics now. It is quite flexible actually. Kind Regards from Fairfield, Iowa, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doug H wrote: "guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. " What are the current guidelines for Dome Group meditation membership? What promises are being referred to, above, "made promises" ? What practices are considered "competing systems to MVS" ? Is there a timeframe for this? That is not practiced for x years?
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Doug H wrote: "guidelines for Dome group meditation membership were not directly taken up or responded to at the Phoenix Rising meeting. In the preliminary meetings leading up to the Phoenix Rising meeting it was summarily expressed that the leadership feels for the status quo, that people ‘made promises’ and therefore should not be in the Domes for practicing other competing systems to MVS, and then it was qualified a little in the process of meeting to be more particularly around those who ‘work against’ the movement. " What are the current guidelines for Dome Group meditation membership? What promises are being referred to, above, "made promises" ? What practices are considered "competing systems to MVS" ? Is there a timeframe for this? That is not practiced for x years?
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
Yes, body counting. Someone’s separate e-mail accounts.. In the meantime, the movement haS RUN OFF 30,000 PEOPLE FROM HERE I Have seen with my own eyes. Hopefully Hagelin, the best guy we’ve Had yet, will pull this out of the fire. He’s trying, and is sincere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As you must be aware, the dead weight of ideology is measured in bodies. On Friday, August 18, 2017, 2:14:07 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The critical need now is for numbers in proximity meditating. This need in critical mass needs movement right now not the dead weight of rigid ideology standing still in the way. Our status quo ‘administrative state’ of the Dome numbers evidently is not working for reasons unacceptable by standard of what good could come of the group meditating. In the middle of tru-believer status quo is their own moral feeling that anything that came from Maharishi should not be changed and also a feeling that some people ‘made promises’ and should be punished or coerced by holding up their Dome badge status over them. These are moral rationales that like the grant-monitoring problem are unacceptable to the accord of natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A conservative view of the numbers problem is saying: “Materialism and ill-discipline on the part of some people in the meditating community is a likely part of this problem. By all the science one could infer the buck of all the problems is with all those spiritual loafers down in cafes sitting around when they could be in the collective of the Domes meditating.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instit
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
As you must be aware, the dead weight of ideology is measured in bodies. On Friday, August 18, 2017, 2:14:07 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The critical need now is for numbers in proximity meditating. This need in critical mass needs movement right now not the dead weight of rigid ideology standing still in the way. Our status quo ‘administrative state’ of the Dome numbers evidently is not working for reasons unacceptable by standard of what good could come of the group meditating. In the middle of tru-believer status quo is their own moral feeling that anything that came from Maharishi should not be changed and also a feeling that some people ‘made promises’ and should be punished or coerced by holding up their Dome badge status over them. These are moral rationales that like the grant-monitoring problem are unacceptable to the accord of natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A conservative view of the numbers problem is saying: “Materialism and ill-discipline on the part of some people in the meditating community is a likely part of this problem. By all the science one could infer the buck of all the problems is with all those spiritual loafers down in cafes sitting around when they could be in the collective of the Domes meditating.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : About the collapse of numbers in the Domes meditating, it would be extremely politic right now to cut through this. Make a separate policy document for admission in to the Dome group program for old movement meditators and initiators. Not with crafting exemptions but directly cut the guidelines down to essential of what it takes to administer a residence course or retreat. See that people have learned ™ and the ™-sidhis, that they don’t ‘work against’ the movement or would be otherwise disruptive, and simply request that they only practice ™ and the ™-Sidhis in the Domes. Done. Short. Publish them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This needs extra-ordinary leadership right now to rally the meditating community to meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the scientists to lead on this, to become leaders of movement. Dr. Hagelin and our other bona fide scientists with real degrees of study need to step up and lead on this holdup with the Dome numbers. How it was done before which effectively destroyed the Dome meditation numbers was terrible and needs to be immediately remediated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In Fair
Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fairfield’s Cr isis of Meditating Numbers in the Dome
The real problem is direct experience is not a belief. A belief is an interpretation of experience, it is not the experience itself. Spiritual awakening in not about belief in what reality is, but a more direct apprehension of reality, outside the confines of the mind's discourse. The problem arises when experience must be expressed verbally. This creates a secondary reality in the mind and when the mind is ignorant, it takes that description as real. When this happens enough times, you have the situation found in most spiritual movements where activity is performed entirely on the basis of verbal interpretations, and as most persons in spiritual movements tend to be seekers, not yet having found what they are looking for, most actions in the organizations are fractured along the lines of that ignorance. You have to tread carefully among such people. If the built up inertia is just too heavy, it might be best to take your practice elsewhere and bypass them rather than try to "fix" the situation. If you really want enlightenment (which is highest first), seek that first and foremost with diligence. Remember you have to discover what it really is, what other people say to you cannot replace your good judgement. If you do not develop good judgement and self reliance, you will be at their mercy, and they usually have none. If your world of experience is not peaceful first, you are relying on a false promise of peace. Being with like-minded seekers is helpful at times, but not necessary. Guru Dev spent most of his time away from others. That came out rather well for him. The enlightened are not true believers. They are done with that. If the ship that is guiding you is not working out, maybe you are just stuck with a bunch of blind believers. Abandon ship. No need to worry, the ocean is all around for all to experience, there is no lack, nothing is hidden. On Sunday, August 13, 2017, 10:26:06 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is time to cut through the Gordian knot of tru-believer conservatism. Contact Dr. Hagelin right now, share your concern that he work with the other scientists who are of the few Trustees who ‘own’ the movement to get to work directly on remediating so much of the damage that was previously done to our communal ship of state here in the years of the Patterson-Morris administration. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time for the tru-believer faith-based religious of TM to relent. They need to stand back, hold back and ‘recuse’ themselves from the consideration now. They clearly cannot judge this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Bound by a conservative TM faith ideology evidently our conservative tru-believers don’t even believe the implications of the science or else in the policy conversations they would get out of the way of more membership and more meditation in the Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is time to start a new document guideline for membership. Keep to the simple and get rid of the old guidelines of what was the Patterson-Morris administrative state of ™. Monitoring people’s lives the way they did it quite obviously was against natural law. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : In this recent crisis of Dome numbers Bevan’s early solution was to charge fees for the Dome meditation as a reaction. How about first remediating the guidelines, re-articulating what we are about with the Domes and a campaign to increase numbers of people doing program in the Dome before you guys re-introduce fees and that having to come to get stickers, with all that visits to the course office entails of ‘validating’ badges. Do some of this other work first to increase numbers of meditators coming to the Dome and then deal with a fee later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Rolling out the Dome fees.. Inevitably there will be some drop off when a meditation fee gets re-instituted. Do due- diligence before you roll out Dome fees. Very little leadership had been done under the Patterson-Morris administration with interfacing in the larger meditating community to present the why and the what we are doing with the Domes. Do your leadership work first before you taint everything in the discussion with fees now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A better administration of the group meditation is needed right now to increase the membership of people meditating doing the program in the Domes. Right now quite evidently this needs to happen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This was a terrible state of administrative matters that let things get so bad with the numbers meditating there in the Domes and with the meditating community here. Emergency action needs to happen to make this meditation about expansion, to pull this out of nose dive. This needs some extra-ordinary
