Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> > By the way, I just visited the BBC Persian site. In one article they were > > using the Arabic Kaf and in another the Persian Keheh. > > It should be called the Persian Kaf. Keheh is just a random identifier, > but the best available since it's the Unicode name. So, either "Persian > Kaf" or "Keheh" in my opinion. And the second only for people who > understand Unispeak. I had written "Keheh" but then went back and added "Persian" to be clearer... In any case, whatever you call it, they were using the Arabic counterpart. -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:02, C Bobroff wrote: > By the way, I just visited the BBC Persian site. In one article they were > using the Arabic Kaf and in another the Persian Keheh. It should be called the Persian Kaf. Keheh is just a random identifier, but the best available since it's the Unicode name. So, either "Persian Kaf" or "Keheh" in my opinion. And the second only for people who understand Unispeak. roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> You know, everybody who's caring and sane enough to proofread, makes > sure these don't appear on paper (or sometimes on the computer screen), > but again, not all of these people care what it is that's stored in > their computers. On the other hand, how much time it looks like they put into the proofreading may be a convenient way to tell if the content is worth reading! By the way, I just visited the BBC Persian site. In one article they were using the Arabic Kaf and in another the Persian Keheh. That would explain the conflicting reports on the Yeh. Looks like they have more than one typist on the staff. -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 09:50, C Bobroff wrote: > Just don't tell me the calligraphers have also joined the band-wagon and > are now putting the dots! Fortunately they're not. You know, everybody who's caring and sane enough to proofread, makes sure these don't appear on paper (or sometimes on the computer screen), but again, not all of these people care what it is that's stored in their computers. roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> They do get under the skin, yes, but it's a little worse than that if
> you start seeing the two little dots everyday on announcements,
> printouts, ads, ... It will get to your {maghz-e ostekhaan}.
Oh dear! You sound like an advanced case. I will schedule you for a
bone-marrow transplant right away.
Just don't tell me the calligraphers have also joined the band-wagon and
are now putting the dots!
-Connie
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Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 22:16, C Bobroff wrote:
> But then once you do notice,
> then you REALLY notice. Those two little dots get under your skin and it
> starts to fester. You start to ONLY see the dots and the rest of the
> content becomes a blur. Insanity is imminent. The only solution: Immediate
> surgical removal of the dots using the latest Search/Replace technology.
They do get under the skin, yes, but it's a little worse than that if
you start seeing the two little dots everyday on announcements,
printouts, ads, ... It will get to your {maghz-e ostekhaan}.
roozbeh
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Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> Behdad's Law: Connie is an optimist. If you please! You need to trust Mr. Connie Genius on this one and keep the faith. This is just a case of public awareness. As long as you don't notice those dots, everything is blissful. Maybe they are just stray marks? Maybe your screen just needs cleaning? But then once you do notice, then you REALLY notice. Those two little dots get under your skin and it starts to fester. You start to ONLY see the dots and the rest of the content becomes a blur. Insanity is imminent. The only solution: Immediate surgical removal of the dots using the latest Search/Replace technology. -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
Behdad's Law: Connie is an optimist. On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, C Bobroff wrote: > > What should we do about this? > Go stand up on your roof and shout: > "The fonts have been repaired! It's now ok to use Arabic Letter Farsi Yeh > U+06CC!!" > > But as far as I know, BBC has never been one of the offenders although I'm > too lazy at the moment to check that and the other site mentioned > earlier. Anyhow, the default fontsize is usually too small to even see > those nasty dots not to mention the Yeh itself. > > Why don't you do a survey and check some sites today and then check > back again in a couple of months. Chances are, your having started this > thread (and the one last week) will have served as a wake-up call. Perhaps > that's all that was needed! > > -Connie > > ___ > FarsiWeb mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb > -- Behdad Esfahbod 2 Shahrivar 1382, 2003 Aug 24 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> I don't like it. I wasn't challenging you. 'Was challenging the silent > lurkers. Oops! I just couldn't stop myself...was on a roll! -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 03:31, C Bobroff wrote: > OK, I took up your challenge and just emailed Yahoo. Don't blame me when > we discover they've replaced Arabic Yeh with CYRILLIC LETTER YA U+042F! I don't like it. I wasn't challenging you. 'Was challenging the silent lurkers. roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> If you use Yahoo Messenger and care about Persian Yeh support, do it > yourself. If you don't, somebody who cares will do so eventually. If > nobody does so, it means nobody cares. OK, I took up your challenge and just emailed Yahoo. Don't blame me when we discover they've replaced Arabic Yeh with CYRILLIC LETTER YA U+042F! -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 02:06, C Bobroff wrote: > Oh, I forgot to mention to Ali earlier that Yahoo messenger (and others?) > also has the Arabic Yeh problem. Those people maybe should be contacted as > they may not have representation among the silent lurkers and not know > there's a problem. Note, don't ask me to do it as I would undoubtedly tell > them something incorrect and botch things up even further. If you use Yahoo Messenger and care about Persian Yeh support, do it yourself. If you don't, somebody who cares will do so eventually. If nobody does so, it means nobody cares. We were worrying about a bug with Persian data entry with the Mozilla distributed in a *future* version of Red Hat Linux. Behnam wrote the bug report, Behdad wrote the patch to fix the problem, and I lobbied like hell. The fix got in just yesterday. Why did we do so? Because we use the certain software frequently. We simply cared. roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> Well, thank the original designers of ISIRI 2901:1994. Thank you! Hey, is there any chance Behnam can be coaxed into making a transliterated keyboard based on the English layout? Not for me personally, mind you. It appears to be a highly sought after accessory and I keep getting inquiries. Behnam, what do you say? Oh, I forgot to mention to Ali earlier that Yahoo messenger (and others?) also has the Arabic Yeh problem. Those people maybe should be contacted as they may not have representation among the silent lurkers and not know there's a problem. Note, don't ask me to do it as I would undoubtedly tell them something incorrect and botch things up even further. -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 21:49, C Bobroff wrote: > By the way, this is yet another reason I offer up thanks to Roozbeh, > Behnam (and others) for the new Persian keyboard as the Arabic Yeh is > only a convenient Shift key away and makes for much more fruitful Google > searches! Well, thank the original designers of ISIRI 2901:1994. They did it eight years ago without even knowing the problem it's solving for you today. roozbeh ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> What should we do about this? Go stand up on your roof and shout: "The fonts have been repaired! It's now ok to use Arabic Letter Farsi Yeh U+06CC!!" But as far as I know, BBC has never been one of the offenders although I'm too lazy at the moment to check that and the other site mentioned earlier. Anyhow, the default fontsize is usually too small to even see those nasty dots not to mention the Yeh itself. Why don't you do a survey and check some sites today and then check back again in a couple of months. Chances are, your having started this thread (and the one last week) will have served as a wake-up call. Perhaps that's all that was needed! -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
C Bobroff wrote: By the way, this is yet another reason I offer up thanks to Roozbeh, Behnam (and others) for the new Persian keyboard as the Arabic Yeh is only a convenient Shift key away and makes for much more fruitful Google searches! But it seems some big Persian sites do not have or use or care about the new keyboard and new fonts. What should we do about this? Best -ali- -- || Ali Asghar Khanban || ||Research Associate in Department of Computing ||| Imperial College London, London SW7 2BZ, U.K. || Tel: +44 (020) 7594 8241 Fax: +1 (509) 694 0599 ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~khanban ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
Re: Unicode in new IRNA site
> ... so many > sites are using wrong characters. It certainly affects the search > engines. Hehe. The humans don't seem to notice but the search engines balk. Seems like it should be the reverse! By the way, this is yet another reason I offer up thanks to Roozbeh, Behnam (and others) for the new Persian keyboard as the Arabic Yeh is only a convenient Shift key away and makes for much more fruitful Google searches! -Connie ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
