Berlin FUDCon T-Shirts [Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds]
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 23:06 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi Martin, is it please possible that you create me a two-color scheme that I can use for a T-Shirt print? I want to produce for Linuxtag in Germany and for FUDCon the Leonidas Shirt but with that much colors the producer says it costs to much; I need to reduce the picture on two colors ... I want print the head on a blue shirt; let's say starting the lion head on a small part in the back coming around under the arms and have 35% of the front with the head and the rest of the front with the symbols .. It would be great if I can get these images as a vecor based .eps pr whatever ... Thanks in advance for your outstanding help! You might want to try one of these ones: http://molaora.com/?q=node/57 Unfortunately I don't have time to play with this myself, but you should have more luck in the wider audience. CC-ing art-list. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:48 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 05/13/2009 12:32 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 05/13/2009 12:15 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: Some food for thought... http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/02/a-little-bit-of-personality.aspx I think that is very close to what we are trying to do with Wallpaper Extras - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras - the plan there is to gather as many as possible images from the larger community and figure out a way to select some which we think are both good and diverse. But our project is currently in hiatus, needing some coordination (and I have my share of guilt, I have a large number of photos which can be uploaded but was lazy lately) Did we ever settle on how and where to store all the images etc ? I don't think so... I really liked Ian's proposal (dig through the archives if you do not know what I am referring to), but people seemed to be generally against it. But basically what I thing we need is: * an easy way to upload images (with info on licensing and various other comments included) * a place to store the images in * a place to preview the images * a system on selecting what goes in/out of the rpm packages (voting?) I think our current setup is suboptimal in most of those points, but I ain't sure how to make it better. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 10:35 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: FWIW, and not knowing what other testing you require, I installed these and the lion background appears in my background chooser as expected, and works when I select it. Yup, precisely this kind of testing :) Thanks :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Leonidas - Lion for single screens
Hi all, 'thanks' to me catching flu and having to spend whole days in bed, I decided I'd use some of that spare time on adding the lion images for single screens. I've just built the updated lion-backgrounds package. If as many people as possible could test it before Monday it would be great (I'll blog about it as well to get more attention). This is needed because I'd like it to be tagged for release (so that people won't have to d/l MBs of data just because we added some images) - and that means I need to request freeze break and given the time, I'll need to be very much sure that it does not break anything anywhere. Note, it won't be probably installed by default, especially on Live Spins where each MiB of free space makes difference... Now, how can you test it. The packages in questions are: * leonidas-backgrounds, leonidas-backgrounds-common and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the default design * leonidas-backgrounds-lion and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the lion on single screens * leonidas-backgrounds-landscape for the Beta wallpapers and you can get them from koji [1]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=101491 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 17:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/09/2009 03:17 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: Now, how can you test it. The packages in questions are: * leonidas-backgrounds, leonidas-backgrounds-common and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the default design * leonidas-backgrounds-lion and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the lion on single screens * leonidas-backgrounds-landscape for the Beta wallpapers and you can get them from koji [1]. leonidas-background-dual is needed by leonidas-background-lion? That doesn't make much sense. I don't have a dual screen and I just want to install the background for the single screen. Yep, that's because we ship the backgrounds via all-sizes xml (e.g. /usr/share/backgrounds/leonidas/leonidas.xml) so that correct ratio is always used. I don't know of a better way. Rahul Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On 5/9/09, Matthias Clasen wrote: Are we talking about adding the lion back to the default single-width background, or is this a separate image ? I must admit that I think the background we have now works better without the huge lion on it... Separate image in a separate subpackage. Different question would be whether would we want this in some of the spins or install DVD in addition to the default one (which I don't think so). Matthias Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artwork pages name mismatch
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 22:14 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11 Also can you please tell me how to navigate from main Fedora Artwork page to Fedora Themes (current theme, past themes and future themes)? I don't see any links that lead from main Fedora Artwork page to themes pages... is that on purpose? Why? Not sure if it's on purpose or not, but it's probably not a good idea to keep links from our main page to everywhere... You can navigate to all Artwork pages from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Artwork If not, than that is definitely a not on purpose and should be fixed. Cheers. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 17:00 +0800, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/29/2009 01:48 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: Not sure if this shouldn't be extended a little more, e.g. in Czech we have '1 den' (1 day), '2,3,4 dny' (2,3,4 days respectively) and starting with five it's '5,... dní' (5,... days). At first I though this middle plural was called dual (not sure if it's same in English, but basically it means that two's are commonly treated neither as singular nor as plural), but seeing, that this goes up to 4... And IIRC it is very much similar in Russian and probably many other Slavic languages. Martin Arabic also has a dual form, but it is only for 2. I think you wanted to send this e-mail to the art-list. CC-ing Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 06:20 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:24 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: Would you like me to recreate the wallpapers in the same way I did for the ones currently on the wiki or will you do that and upload the new wallpapers to the wiki as well? I'll upload them later today. Done [1] I've added only the versions we actually have in the package - 16:10, 4:3 and 5:4, single and dual, one size per each. I noticed you also had there 16:9 one - was there some desire to include this ratio in the Leonidas release? We've never shipped these and I've also never seen computer displays with this ratio (even though it is used on HD TVs). BTW. the simple Greek style anaconda and first boot banners look awesome! Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 04:56 PM, Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... Workaround: right click on the desktop, select Change Desktop Background and from the list click on the Leonidas (Right) That's actually only for the landscape ones. The lion has only one version. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 05:33 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 04:56 PM, Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... Workaround: right click on the desktop, select Change Desktop Background and from the list click on the Leonidas (Right) That's actually only for the landscape ones. The lion has only one version. Then maybe is a wise idea to provide both, this is the second time I hear someone asking for the lion today (the other one was on #fedora-art). Hmm... I can add that, but given that today is the final freeze (not sure when exactly and whether any build I would have done today would make it in) and this would not end up on the release CD/DVDs either, I doubt I could ask for a freeze break just to add one subpackage (with the wallpapers with lion on single screens as well). I think I have only these two options: 1. wait if we are gonna do some further bugfixes to the artwork and add them with it, or 2. make this a zero day update (note it would mean about 8MiB of updates for _every_ user of leonidas-backgrounds, unless F11 would be Presto enabled) Any better insights, suggestions, ideas? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas background brightness
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:36 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:00:15 PM Subject: Re: Leonidas background brightness Hey, On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Warren Togami wrote: Hi, I really like the new leonidas lion background. I have only one question. I have various files sitting on the right side of the GNOME desktop. Their filenames are in white and are a bit difficult to read due to the brightness of the lion. I am wondering might it be a good idea to darken the color of the background a bit so white filenames might be easier to read? Yeah for me it makes the right half of my desktop unusable. We can argue whether the desktop should be used but the fact is that it is today - and for many people they have icons covering both sides. Is this for dual or single? For single screen the lion shouldn't appear, only for dual on the right screen. ~m Actually, in the latest rawhide package the lion is there, but I am already working on updating the package both with the updated images as well as without the lion for single screen. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 12:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Here are the exported JPGs [4][5], I'll upload the source xcf too (but on the wiki) if one of the designs would be accepted. Ok, based on the feedback, I've just uploaded the version without stripes [1] (although they are still present as a hidden layer in case we decided otherwise in the future). I've played with the image a little more to have the desired resolution (4096x1536 instead of 4070x1536). I am also going to update the package in rawhide. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:King_4096x1536.xcf.bz2 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:24 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 09:09:42PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 12:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Here are the exported JPGs [4][5], I'll upload the source xcf too (but on the wiki) if one of the designs would be accepted. Ok, based on the feedback, I've just uploaded the version without stripes [1] (although they are still present as a hidden layer in case we decided otherwise in the future). I've played with the image a little more to have the desired resolution (4096x1536 instead of 4070x1536). I am also going to update the package in rawhide. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:King_4096x1536.xcf.bz2 Would you like me to recreate the wallpapers in the same way I did for the ones currently on the wiki or will you do that and upload the new wallpapers to the wiki as well? I'll upload them later today. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with something more realistic around 20 seconds. Well, it still takes kernel to load a few seconds and udev a few seconds and X a few seconds... On standard machines I don't believe (much) less than 30s is possible if we are talking about booting to a fully loaded usable standard purpose desktop using kernel that is supposed to work on wide range of hardware... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 09:40 -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs in GIMP. One layer per frame, you'll specify that you want to make it animated during save. Not exactly convenient, since I haven't yet figured if there is a way to preview the animation in gimp, but not hard either. I also don't know where to specify frames duration (other than default frames duration that is set during save)... Here's a quick example [1][2] Mike Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.xcf [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.gif signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Leonidas backgrounds
Hi, because KDE folks need this ASAP I've put the lions backgrounds into rawhide [1]. Now a few notes for folks: * -common subpackage contains stuff shared between KDE and GNOME * -kdm subpackage contains simplified background for KDM * -landscape subpackage contains the backgrounds from beta * everything is in jpeg, sans the KDM background. Rex Dieter says KDM handles only PNGs Now, a few notes for Samuele and whomever directly working on the backgrounds: * we need these sizes for dual screens: 4096x1536, 3840x1200, 2560x1024, I suppose the non-dual versions are simply crops of these. For the time being I've done some resizes/crops with the biggest version you provided [2]. Preferably in sanely compressed jpeg (try to get as small size as you can without visibly affecting the image quality, I've used 93 quality in gimp, but I don't have very good display so we might actually need higher values) * we need simplified version for KDM, probably in 2048x1536. Jaroslav, can you confirm the size? We need this one to be in PNG. * can any of you list the CC attributions in a sane format for me to put it into the package? Would be good to have it both for the landscape and lion wallpapers. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=97390 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e4/King_4070x1536.jpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas backgrounds
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:35 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Martin, Hi Mo, Ian put these together: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper Ian has smaller versions for the 4:3 than I have (I've derived from the latest Samuele's iteration [1] which is 4070x1536, does not have the mirroring effect on the wavy lines and has slightly different colouring) and I've included the 1280x1024 ratio (I remember folks were complaining when we weren't originally going to have it in F10)... One question that comes to mind -- are we going to use the simplified version (i.e. without lion) for the single-screen wallpaper and add the lion only for dual-screen versions? That seems pretty odd to me... * we need simplified version for KDM, probably in 2048x1536. Jaroslav, can you confirm the size? We need this one to be in PNG. * can any of you list the CC attributions in a sane format for me to put it into the package? Would be good to have it both for the landscape and lion wallpapers. I listed this out in a recent email in the schedule thread. Thanks, I'll put them together somehow in one file and add them in the next iteration (which I hope will be the final one). ~m Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e4/King_4070x1536.jpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin, Mo, let breathe a bit and make a plan: - when do we need the extra wallpapers packaged? a deadline... since we talk about bitmaps, can we go with something absolutely minimal for the freeze and add a few more later? I think, freeze is irrelevant here. It's highly probable it won't be on any of the official spins, so having the package released at the same day as GA is IMHO fine. - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? I think I have some images that could do for nice wallpapers (mostly flower macros) and knowing about a deadline would be useful to prioritize some work (selection, gimping, upload). Cool. I think Mo should have the last word about the deadline, but you can do some work nevertheless, should you have some spare time to do it. Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/08/2009 04:18 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: I think maybe we should add several tasks on the schedule for explicitly blogging / otherwise announce (maybe via Fedora weekly news, any other ideas?) the current status of the artwork so it's known more widely than this list next time around. I tried to closely cover the artwork development for Fedora Weekly News, but since we didn't have explicit requests, I had no requests for feedback to pass on. TASK LIST STATUS (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet Just installed the F11 Beta on my desktop, it uses the GDM screen for unlocking the screen, so we don't need the screensaver lock dialog any more (at least on GNOME) 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some mocks together (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) but as we agreed a week ago, these are a bit too busy and still need to be simplified: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00015.html 9. firstboot vertical header - Samuele put one together that looks great (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) 10. kdm - nothing 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? I am not sure we have enough time for those extra wallpapers, what the deadline would be for them? Martin started the collection of the wiki and at the time he talked about packaging. Martin, are you still up for for packaging them? Yup, I hope to put some packages together as soon as I have enough time to do so. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 19:11 +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: 2009/4/6 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro I like it better. I think it maybe is a bit too plain and trying to find some way to make it a bit flashier. Maybe making it look more like a sunrise? A glow around the statue? I know that it's not perfect...but do you intend something like this? https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/24/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1c.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/9/9a/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1c.svg I think this is much better than the previous takes. The glow nicely fits with the coming soon idea. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 19:37 +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: In the past days some people have requested a F11 countdown banner for a blog using. So, below you can find a proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b7/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1a.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/00/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1a.svg The original background image was downloaded from here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonythemisfit/3387589463/sizes/o/ License seems to be ok for Fedora. Feedbacks are welcome. I'm wondering why nicu hadn't mentioned this (at least on the -art-list), but you might be interested in this one as well: http://blog.berkenpies.nl/2009/04/02/fedora-11-countdown-counter-part-2/ It's much closer to the graphics we'll probably go with for the release so it might be better to use it... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: correct wallpaper format
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 09:14 -0700, brian hurren wrote: Just trying to create some star-field wallpapers for the fedora astronomy spin. Just want to now what is the correct wallpaper format? I don't know which Desktop Environment is the Astronomy Spin using, but unless you are planning on making an animated wallpaper (like the time of day changes in F10 Desktop Spin Wallpaper) just plain png or jpeg is fine. Standard ratios are 4:3 (highest resolution with this ratio we support in Fedora 10 wallpapers is 2048x1536) and 16:10 (highest used resolution we support is 1920x1200) plus the weird 5:4 for 1280x1024 and I don't recall the exact resolution/ratios for EeePC, but I think it was non-standard as well. GNOME in addition supports defining the wallpaper via XML file which lets you support all size ratios you want in one file and also lets you create simple animations. Hope this answers your question :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Concept for F11 King
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 23:01 +0100, Charlie Brej wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Also, some of our splash ideas (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-4.png for example, with the Greek pattern) could be adapted to use the lion instead, so we would still be able to take advantage of that work. I made a couple plymouth options that combine the greek pattern with the theme. There are 4 levels of complexity. Which one do people think is best? http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion.jpg http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion2.jpg http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion3.jpg http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion4.jpg I think the lion and lion2 are too much complex. For me the lion4 is best, but I think you should change the progress-bars colours to better fit with the colour palette of the image. Also, maybe, only the bottom progress-bar would suffice (not sure though). I also think that the fedora logo should not be precisely in the center of the screen, maybe using gold-ratio to position it in horizontal direction would work. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: base banner style for f11 leonidas artwork
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 06:48 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro However, I find them a bit too plain, I would like them more vivid, maybe combined with the photo we are going to use as a background? Like this: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/gnome-splash_f11.png I'll raise your wallpaper splash with this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-4.png What do you think? ~m Whoa, that feels like being exactly what has been missing on the banners! For me this would be the so far best way to go :) Just a suggestion. I think in this design the copyright notice and the Greek element below it would better work if they were placed at bottom, perhaps even in reversed order. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: base banner style for f11 leonidas artwork
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 12:50 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Máirín Duffy What do you think about this as a base style to go with for the various banners/splashes for F11? http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/style/fedora-greek-style_mockup.png even plainer: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/style/fedora-greek-style_mockup_2.png A couple more along similar lines: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-1.png http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-2.png (sorry about the extraneous useless message, my mail client is braindead sometimes) ~m These two look great. Although, wouldn't it be better to call it kde-splash (since, unlike the gnome one, it is enabled by default)? I am unsure which would be better though, perhaps I'm slightly more inclined towards the one with the 'fedora' word, rather than the logo. But come to think of it, would it be desirable/worth a try to promote the four foundations there - i.e. putting there the four F's logo? I think it might fit well within the design. And about the banners - they seem over too simple to me, there're lots of deaf space there (just simple gradient and nothing more taking up a lot of space). Starting with the second one and add some more details (not sure though, what would fit there) to the currently plain blue background might help. Also, what are these banners for? IIRC in anaconda these are shorter and thus the deaf spots would be reduced to practically nil. Overal I think the way you've chosen is a good one :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:21 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:25 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( Not sure this was needed... But having it in release definitely helps a lot. Naturally, we cannot see everything ourselves, but the feedback from people outside of the Art Team can be the push (like with Matthias). I hope more mails will pour in after the Beta is released to public ;-) Come to think of it, it would be really great to have it in Alpha already, but seeing how we are always late with schedule (note that I'm also at fault here for not helping with the actual art)... But I think the new process of creating the art also contributed a bit to us not being exactly fastest this release... I'm sure next release will be better (unless we change the process again). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Just an FYI concerning the beta artwork
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 10:55 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: I hadn't seen anyone else bring this perspective up concerning the wallpaper in the beta and I thought it deserved attention for your consideration as a group. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-March/msg00147.html Seems to me whoever chose the background that was introduced last week did not consider that items with overtones of dissentious subjects such as politics or religion might elicit emotional reactions. I'm concerned that when my system prominently shows a picture with a temple, that might be interpreted as Mikus worships paganism To my reckoning this is the first Fedora artwork that has had culture specific elements in it, so this sort of issue might never have been raised in prior discussions. I don't know, I mostly lurk. But I'm bringing it to your attention to make sure you see that reaction. -jef Hm... I don't see a valid reasoning there. There is vast difference between you worshiping ancient Greece gods (not that it would be something bad if you actually do) and having a huge Zeus' temple wallpaper hanging on your wall, let alone the wallpaper in your PC (which you can promptly change if you disagree with the content)... Come on, we have names of months named after ancient Rome gods (and important people) and it still does not say anything about our beliefs. While I agree we should stay away from political references, subtle cultural references are IMHO good and bring Fedora to next level in this aspect. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Banners and splashes
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 16:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: * KDE splash screen For the last releases the guys from the KDE got involved with that and a splash was produced. I've been talking about this one with Mo and jreznik (the guy doing all the artwork work for KDE) over IRC. Mo produced some sample graphics, I don't remember the address though (I could find it in Rawhide, but I'm currently in F10). Máirín, can you post the link here? * Plymouth bootup/loading graphics This area is poorly documented (is very new) but we have an expert in Charlie Brej. My personal option would be to use the default background (the temple landscape picture) and a progress bar. Mo thinks that something simpler would be better and I agree with her on this one. The F10 Plymouth is over too flashy. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New computer icon set
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:02 +0100, Mark wrote: That icon looks.. odd If you ask me the lightest part of the keyboard is lighter then the lightest part os the screen. The darkest part of the keyboard is most certainly a lot lighter then the darkest part of the screen. (did that make sence?) My suggestion would be to make the bottom of the screen as dark as the bottom of the keyboard. And the same goos for the top of the screen holder (or how is that called) the top there should be as dark as the bottom of the keyboard. I hope this maked some sence.. kinda hard to explain it. Other then that it's a nice icon! Hi Mark, Thanks for your suggestions, but I am afraid I cannot do anything about that. First, the monitor and the keyboard a lighted slightly differently, considering the are positioned differently (vertical vs. horizontal) so there are bound to be some differences in lightness/contrast. Also the keyboard is not necessarily from the same material as the monitor and as a result it might have different light reflection/diffraction/scattering properties. And finally, I've tried darker keyboards and I didn't like them, I also tried lighter displays and didn't liked them as well. Show me way out of this dilema and I'd be happy :-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New computer icon set
On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 02:31 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: 256x256 version has detailed keyboard meaning a lot of time were spent for name of input. I wonder how that will work out as standalone. Perhaps in the future we can adapt from Macbook layout. Standalone it looks pretty good as well as you can see in http://jimmac.musichall.cz/wipicons/Tango-NG//input-keyboard.png I made a slight modification with removal of wire as some keyboards are wireless. http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/devices/computer.svg The wire appears to still be there... Perhaps you uploaded wrong version? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Picture Book Mockup
On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 02:44 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Ian Weller a écrit : | On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:07:38PM -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: | Setting in critic mode: | Did you use hyphen or em dashes in first and last paragraph? | Careful with the widow at the end of last paragraph? | Title Chapter 2: Friends is hard to read due to similar hue. Enlighten it | might help. | | This is a *mockup*. I'm also extremely picky about em dashes, and we'll | make sure we use those correctly in the finished book. :D Blame my prof for torturing me for using hyphen for mockup. Well, it makes things more effective when correct typography is used right from the start (hence why you prof. has been torturing you for hyphens even in mock-ups) ;-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 21:35 -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: This is what I've got https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Beta_Mockups It's not perfect, but it's something what do you think? ~m Hi Mo, I've put them to a rpm package [1]. I'll submit it for inclusion in fedora later if you find it good. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/packages/rawhide/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-10.92.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New computer icon set
Hi, I've created a computer icon [1] for echo-perspective. I was having pretty serious difficulties with the keyboard design, so I decided to rather adapt the mango one [2]. Since it's also CC-BY-SA it should be OK. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/computer.svg [2] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-library/tree/svg/input-keyboard.svg attachment: computer.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Picture Book Mockup
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:18 -0600, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:07:38PM -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Setting in critic mode: Did you use hyphen or em dashes in first and last paragraph? Careful with the widow at the end of last paragraph? Title Chapter 2: Friends is hard to read due to similar hue. Enlighten it might help. This is a *mockup*. I'm also extremely picky about em dashes, and we'll make sure we use those correctly in the finished book. :D Heh, are em dashes actually used in English? In Czech we use only hyphens, - (like in screen-cast), and en dashes, – (when separating sentences, denoting ranges, etc.)... Em dashes, —, seem over too long (to me) ;-) Although, for some reason my evolution displays both the en dash and em dash with same length (which is wrong)... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 7, February 2009
Hi, We have published the sixth Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. This issue covers February 2009 and contains this topic: 1 New Icons 1.1 Perspective Regards, The Echo Team References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New folder-saved-search icon set
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 12:50 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote: Hi Martin, I would propose a small change in the style of pre-defined folders (like a Home, Find and etc). Note that I put a small shadow over the lens to give an effect of intrusion, I think it might look better[1]. [1] http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora/folder-saved-search.svg I think that looks very good! Thanks :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-new icon set
Hi, I've finished today one of the last icons containing the folder - folder-new [1]. I moved the plus sign to the top-right corner which brings the design closer to gnome and oxygen icon themes. I also feel that it works better in this place. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-new.svg attachment: folder-new.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New document-open icon set
Hi, I've also finished new document-open icon set [1]. There's not much to comment since it's basically just an adaptation of the current Echo icon to perspective projection. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/document-open.svg attachment: document-open.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New document-open icon set
On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 11:32 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Quoting Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: Hi, I've also finished new document-open icon set [1]. There's not much to comment since it's basically just an adaptation of the current Echo icon to perspective projection. Could you match the text from 256x256 to the rest? It is odd the alignment is not the same. Good point! Fixed [1]. Luya Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/document-open.svg attachment: document-open.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-remote icon set
Hi, I've created another folder icon for the echo-perspective -- folder-remote [1]. This one features a brand new more detailed globe - I've used correct perspective so the continents might look a little distorted compared to the dimetric version. I've also covered Greenland with ice ;-) Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-remote.svg attachment: folder-remote.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New user-home icon set
Hi, I've created user-home icon set [1]. First let me say I've abandoned the original echo idea of having the blue-white echoey house leaning against the folder. Instead I've used same metaphor as gnome and oxygen does - i.e. drawn the house *on* the folder. I had two reasons - first it makes us more consistent with upstream defaults and second I really didn't like the original design when used with perspective projection. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/user-home.svg attachment: user-home.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-open icon set
Hi, another new icon - folder-open [1]. As you guess, I've began remaking the the whole folder set to have perspective projection. I will most likely send more e-mails with icons today... Comments welcome Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-open.svg attachment: folder-open.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-drag-accept icon set
Hi, as noted in my previous e-mail, here's another icon - folder-drag-accept [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-drag-accept.svg attachment: folder-drag-accept.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-visiting icon set
Hi, following with another folder icon - folder-visiting [1]. This time I've again took preference of the gnome design in contrast to the original echo design. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-visiting.svg attachment: folder-visiting.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-saved-search icon set
Hi, another new icon -- folder-saved-search [1]. As we haven't got that one in Echo at all, I'll probably make a bimetric projection version as well. But for now only the perspective projection. I've followed gnome-icon-theme design in this one so that it is consistent with user-home. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-saved-search.svg attachment: folder-saved-search.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New folder-saved-search icon set
On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 12:46 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : | Hi, | | another new icon -- folder-saved-search [1]. As we haven't got that one | in Echo at all, I'll probably make a bimetric projection version as | well. But for now only the perspective projection. I've followed | gnome-icon-theme design in this one so that it is consistent with | user-home. Will the search symbol inside this folder be used as standalone instead of binocular? Probably not. The magnifier works better in combination with folder, but for system-search I'd stay with binoculars. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: starry background
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 07:34 -0800, brian hurren wrote: Just created a realistic starry background but i can't figure out how to upload it so everyone can see it. I've created an account. Use https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload and set something descriptive for file name, preferably with context prefixes (e.g. Wallpaper_universe_stars_hurren.png) to avoid possible conflicts with other images. Or you can put it on you fedorapeople.org space [1], if you have one. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: hello
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, Thomas Kole wrote: I think africa would be a great style, imagine, zebras, giraffes, lions, a sunset and trees... What do you think? Hi Thomas, we decided that the theme would be Greece, preferably combination of landscape, grapes, olive trees, ancient temples, etc. You can work on it if you want. I've did a quick proof-of-concept sketch in inkscape [1] while Mo put together nice big picture of landscape [2] which might be used as abase for further development. It looks we'll go with a photo manipulation / collage this time. Your gimp skills might come handy in this. :-) Just find suitable (they need to have appropriate license so that it's legal to reuse it and freely distribute it) images a put the together, if you have an idea :-) Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11_Artwork_Greece_Concept_mso.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup2_mo.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
FLOSS Multimedia Support in Fedora
Hi, sorry for cross-posting but I wanted all interested parties to not miss this email ;-) There has been some media related discussion in the -devel list and one of the points I have taken form it is that we should promote FLOSS multimedia and don't blame others for doing it (even if it's done in a not ideal way)... Now, the problem is that the actual support of these in our system is crappy. Out of the combinations of two FLOSS containers (matroska and ogg) and two FLOSS video codecs (dirac and theora) I know only one (ogg + theora) actually works in xine-lib (used by KDE4) which is pathetic. So I created a wiki page (not sure what name space to use, so I put it under my user page for starters) [1] which tracks the situation. I don't have much time lately due to university duties, so I put there only things I know of and didn't researched further. So if you know of any FLOSS container, video or audio codec, feel free to add it there. Also feel free to reference upstream bugs about the mentioned issues. The videos used for reference testing are available at my fedora people page [2]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mso/Open_Multimedia [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/codecs-test/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 6, January 2009
Hello, We have published the sixth Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. This issue covers the first month of 2009 and is composed from these topics: 1. Echo Perspective starting of Fedora Hosted 2. New Echo Artist Scripts and Supporting Icon Artist Library 1. Initializing New Git Repository 2. Updating Your Local Copy of Git Repository 3. Creating New Icon from Template 4. Adding Icon to Repository Regards, The Echo Team References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 09:54 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all I work on the Acient Greek theme for this Fedora's release I think is the best one. Mo I'd like your idea to create a collage from different landscape or other image. For this theme I try to work on the Spartan Leonidas idea, I work on the Acient Helm so we don't have discussion on violence or other not connected idea. I started looking some inspiration photos on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_of_kuji/2763629314/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/protectorrr/2714125326/ then I draw my own. Let me suggest to you guys my idea and let me know your guess and your suggestions. Maybe someone could help me to find some more dettailed photos of the helm? For F11 we're trying to work together on the same concept, we aren't doing competing ideas anymore. Our deadline for a decision on the visual concept (basically, how will we visually depict 'Leonidas') is February 1. Do you think there is a way we can integrate the idea of your helmet with a landscape of Greek architecture for the wallpaper, and maybe we could integrate the helmet in other artwork too? Do you have any ideas on what a landscape with the helmet integrated into it might look like? I do think based on the wallpaper poll results that we should try for a landscape for the wallpaper, but that doesn't mean we can't have a helmet placed in it or somehow work the idea of a helmet in it? I like the idea of having a helmet somewhere because Leonidas was from Sparta and Sparta was very militaristic, but at the same time a helmet is for protection so it's not too violent a symbol as you said. What do you think? Do you have ideas on how we can work together? ~m I think adding a helmet would be great. I have an idea of small bronze Greek helmet laying on the ground - either on the bottom left on grass (here I'd use some older helmet, let it blend with nature), while the bigger temple being on the bottom right, or having the helmet laying on one of the stairs leading to temple (if we make a temple with stairs; here I'd use rather shiny new helmet). Either way, my idea is focusing rather on the spiritual part of the image, I'd draw it how it could look if the temple was new and still used by old Greeks, perhaps around the columns could be some grapes or some other plant growing, I can also imagine hot springs (with vapour flowing up from the springs, creating a mist) and maybe forest or small bushes nearby, possibly with Mt. Olympus being seen in a distance. Though I am not sure if we'd be able to do such complex art from scratch with inkscape; or if we'd be doing photo-realistic one, if we could get hands on fitting and properly licensed photos... Maybe if I have enough time I'll try to sketch the idea in inkscape, but do not expect something that will look good _ Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 05:29 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Quoting MáirÃÂn Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org: Hi folks, This is a really really sloppy mockup but hopefully illustrates the kind of visuals I'm thinking of for F11: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/83/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup1_mo.png I think of desolation when I see that image with a ruins from old Greek temple (tend to get bored so easily) and a very dry land. That picture would mean Fedora after collapse. Greece is famous with its olive field so the land needs to be green. I see mountain that look like Olympia and the sky appears to be a god/goddess land. That image needs to be live, not dead. Let see what the next iteration will bring. Yep, I like the concept as a whole, but I'd perhaps use some ancient temple/building that is *not* in ruins, Also having the ground covered in green (or more colours, if it were to evoke spring) would definitely make the image better/livelier. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 16:48 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Ian Weller wrote: However with the Grecian columns and stuff we need to be careful of not looking ancient, as some might say, but instead looking functional, practical, etc. Yes definitely. Like if the columns are ruins, we don't want to give off the message that Fedora is in ruins or something like that. We want to highlight the positive aspects... eg rather than posing Fedora as the column, if we've got say a pretty columns-ruins landscape, pose fedora as the vines and plants and nature growing on top of the the old columns (the columns then become the establishment/proprietary software) Then it becomes more, 'Fedora - making proprietary OSes history' rather than 'Fedora is old broken crap!' :) ~m Well, I think if the columns were not ruins [1](i.e. would be still standing and would not be broken, I think there are such in Greece even now) it would give much better message, like 'Fedora outlives its creators' or something like that (well, my example is a bit lame, I am not good with this stuff after all...). Martin Reference: [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Stoa_in_Athens.jpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 16:56 +0100, Mark wrote: Hi martin, Hi Mark, But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. We aim with Echo to be the default icon set in Fedora. Because of the reasons you stated bellow it's better to make Echo as much consistent with gnome-icon-theme *and* oxygen as possible. Yet, we'd like to keep the Echo feel (that's why we cannot *just* modify tango). You can think of it as echo stylised tango. One the other hand, we'll continue with the isometric icons as well for those who'd like to have something more unique. In short, Echo Perspective aims to be good default, moderately consistent with upstream defaults, Echo whatever aims to be a unique set utilising different kind of projection (we use the dimetric projection, in our guidelines still called isometric perspective) than most icon themes use. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. We'd like to be moderately consistent with Tango, but we want more lively colours and perhaps more realistic feel. It means the development can be way faster because we can reuse already developed tango or oxygen icons, only restyle them to have echo feel. But in some cases - e.g. folder or trash - we'd like to have more unique design. I also tried to do the same with the display - if you compare tango/mango/gnome/oxygen displays to my design, you'll notice many differences (personally, I don't the tango/mango design and the gnome design uses CRT monitor, which is sort of outdated). Good luck, Mark Thanks you for your comments and questions, Martin PS: If it goes on like this, I think we could have enough material to make a short FAQ page for Echo ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 18:14 +0100, Mark wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Are you talking about just the colors of FC1-FC4 or the actual theme? And are you talking about the *artwork* or are you talking about the GTK/metacity etc? Just the colors. and that can be used to make a new theme for Fedora 11 I am just talking about artwork here I'm kinda talking about both.. Well, for GTK/Metacity related talks, please make a separate thread for it. If you make mockups, I'll consider them. I am currently working on a major rewrite of nodoka (so far only GTK), you can check the progress usually on my blog [1]. The latest screenshots are at [2], though in my laptop I am already a few steps farther... I've already reworked progress bars and will write new post when I finish the Scales. Martin Refereces: [1] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/01/my-new-years-updates-to-nodoka.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Discussion About Echo Perspective
Hi all, I've just posted a poll about Echo Perspective on Fedora Forum [1] to see our user base opinion and I'd like to hear the opinions of the Art Team members as well. As you are probably aware of, we are starting Echo Perspective and are selecting the designs to start with. All the design concepts are displayed together in our latest monthly issue [2]. I'd like to hear your opinions about these designs as I don't want this decision to be two people + user base poll only, and I'd like to see more people from the Art Team involved. Also being it the Art Team, I'd like this to be rather discussion than handful of +/-1 ;-) Thanks, Martin PS: Note for new members: do not hesitate to join the discussion, your opinion is as important to us as that of the old members :) References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=210159 [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 4-5, November - December 2008
Hi, We've just published latest Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. Due too lack of enough content, it is joint of November's and December's happenings. The topics are: * Echo Perspective - Proposed Designs * Proposed Guideline Changes - Bitmap Post-processing in Echo Icons Regards, The Echo Team signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Monthly News Issue 4-5, November - December 2008
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 23:15 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, We've just published latest Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. Due too lack of enough content, it is joint of November's and December's happenings. The topics are: * Echo Perspective - Proposed Designs * Proposed Guideline Changes - Bitmap Post-processing in Echo Icons Regards, The Echo Team Sorry for the second mail, I forgot to actually add the reference. [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: cursors
note: I don't see on art.gnome.org of gnome-look.org categories for cursor themes to propose something else as a base. It's under X11 mouse themes [1] on gnome-look.org. Martin References: [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=36PHPSESSID=fc360c0c1a3ada490a992c917403cd2d signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo] Making final decisions about perspective
Hi, First sorry for not hearing from me for such a long time - I don't have much spare time lately... Next, I think we need to make final decisions about the new perspective to Echo and update the guidelines appropriately. My ideas about this can be summarized as follows: We will start new Echo Perspective icon theme which will * be developed in parallel to the current Echo * until it reaches good enough coverage, it will fallback to current Echo and gnome-icon-theme * use same Perspective Projection as in tango/mango for 32x32 icons and bigger, and in cases where it helps icon distinction in smaller sizes as well, Flat Perspective will be used for the rest * allow small amount of glows/glazes/shines in 256x256 version to achieve better realistic look * use ~ 1 px thick solid borders at *all* sizes Apart from that I'd like to chose the final design for monitor (keyboard is not yet prepared), folders and trash. You can see the candidates (there aren't many) at the wiki page dedicated for this purpose [1]. If you still wish to add your candidate - the design does *not* need to be complete for that purpose - you still have time. I hereby announce the closing date for adding your candidates is 24.12.2008 (though I don't expect many people working on this particular date). We will then decide the which designs we will use and the results will be officially announced in the next Echo Monthly News issue (whose November's issue I skiped due to lack of time and enough content). Finally I'd like to propose, and add it to our guidelines, that we allow small amount of bitmap post-processing in our icons under these conditions: * the post-processed bitmap must look closely similar to the original SVG * the post-processing used must be fully reproducible using either ImageMagick or gimp and must be documented * only steps that can be automated must be used Your comments on all theses matters are welcome. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 15:14 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As promised , here's [1] a new design concept. I'd say it's more realistic and less Echoey, but IMHO looks good :-) Could you give version with the set of icon size? Just finished [1]. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective attachment: folder2.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] user-trash concept
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 11:17 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Just completed installation to Fedora 10. Added in Echo Perspective is trash concept based on real object using Martin's gradients. Feedback welcome. As a concept I think it could work, the exact implementation however lacks something. I am not sure which might it be, but perhaps the gradients are too much of a combination of metallic and grey and it clashes when used together. Could you try to achieve more realistic look and having the outlines more subtle, only to emphasise the shape, but not to clash visually with the fills? Feel free to adjust the gradients as you see fit - the versions from me are supposed to be base set and it's desirable to adjust them for the exact icons they are used in. I also think the thrash material could have some depth in the 256x256 version. The shadow should be IMHO nearly realistic in 256x256 version. You could also try to slightly distort the ellipse to achieve perspective imitation. Don't know with what size you started, but I tend to start with the 256x256 one and gradually decrease amount of detail when doing the smaller ones. It helps me better define the exact implementation of the chosen metaphor (which, on the other hand, has to be chosen to look good down to 16x16 size...). Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo Perspective] Trash Can concept #2
Hi, I've added another trash can concept [1]. It's based on the current Echo icon. I've made only the 256x256 size, I'll create the other sizes later... Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective#Trash_Can attachment: user-trash.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] Trash Can concept #2
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 19:55 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: I love the look of that, with a minor quibble about the perspective of the front and rear rim. It has a touch of the 'Last Supper' about it Well, in fact the top rim isn't circular but rounded triangular... Combined with the perspective it then looks a little bit like wrongly used perspective for circular rim ;-) I'll probably need to add some more details into the gradient to better reflect it... :) -Cam Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 00:27 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 09:05 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: :( It retains the thing I disliked the most about the old echo folder - that weird curved bend. I have never seen a folder that looked like that and it makes it seems cartoony like a folder from toontown. If it's meant to be straight but bent, it needs shading to indicate that. I think though, better to have a much more straight line than that weird bow. At least lessen the curve, you know? I'd like the folder to be from more elastic material, perhaps leather, therefore it makes sense if it is bent. But yeah, the curve might be done differently. Or perhaps you mean the front-upper part? In this case that's what I like about the old echo folder... It makes it different from other themes and I pretty much like it that way... But I'll sketch a non-bent version to see if it actually isn't better (but not before tomorrow). As promised , here's [1] a new design concept. I'd say it's more realistic and less Echoey, but IMHO looks good :-) Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective#Directories attachment: folder2.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
Hi, I've just finished first take of the folder design for Echo Perspective [1]. I do not hide that the design has been inspired by Mac OS X Leopard folder as well as current Echo folder. I've more or less retained the original colour, but adjusted it to better fit with our colour palette. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective attachment: folder.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 12:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I've just finished first take of the folder design for Echo Perspective [1]. I do not hide that the design has been inspired by Mac OS X Leopard folder as well as current Echo folder. I've more or less retained the original colour, but adjusted it to better fit with our colour palette. Do I notice also a color change compared with the current icon? (not that would be a bad thing) http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=base/scalable/places/folder.svg;hb=HEAD Yup, not a big change but still pretty easy to see ;-) It's now slightly more to the red spectrum of colours and less saturated (this is much more obvious than the slight spectrum change). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 09:05 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: :( It retains the thing I disliked the most about the old echo folder - that weird curved bend. I have never seen a folder that looked like that and it makes it seems cartoony like a folder from toontown. If it's meant to be straight but bent, it needs shading to indicate that. I think though, better to have a much more straight line than that weird bow. At least lessen the curve, you know? I'd like the folder to be from more elastic material, perhaps leather, therefore it makes sense if it is bent. But yeah, the curve might be done differently. Or perhaps you mean the front-upper part? In this case that's what I like about the old echo folder... It makes it different from other themes and I pretty much like it that way... But I'll sketch a non-bent version to see if it actually isn't better (but not before tomorrow). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Perspective; In need of new computer, directory and trash design
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 11:03 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Will the guideline be still be the same beside perspective? It will be good to give constraint and rules. As I outlined in the blog post [1] it is possible to change other guidelines as well but I'd rather only clarify them on the huge size (and perhaps the echo elements section) and add the new perspective. When we decide on the computer, directory and trash icon we can review which parts of guidelines would need to change. Martin References: [1] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/11/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-iii.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Perspective; In need of new computer, directory and trash design
Hi all, I've unofficially started the Echo Perspective by creating a proof-of-concept video-display icon [1]. I think because we are starting new icon set from the start we can afford more radical changes than before to Echo. Most of them are visible in the icon I've created. But we need more, namely redesign of the directory and trash icons. It would be great if as many people as possible submitted their ideas for these, either here on a wiki I've created for this purpose [2]. You can also submit competing ideas for the computer icon if you'd like. If you'd like, you can consider it a competition. The prize is obvious - the selected design will be visible on every desktop using the Echo Perspective icon set. Though I'd rather consider it a gathering of ideas... :-D Also, I would not like this to be limited to current Echo developers, so please, everyone who has any design idea feel free to submit it ;-) You can read more in my latest blog post [3]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Echo-perspective-video-display-mso.png [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective [3] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/11/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-iii.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 3
Hi, Echo Monthly News Issue 3, October 2008 [1] has just been released. This issue highlights these topics: 1. New Icons 2. New Templates 1. General Template with Gradients 2. Paper Template 3. Emotes Tempate 3. Echo Won't Be F10's Default Icon Theme 4. Icon Check Script 5. Echo Future Martin and the Echo Team signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Monthly News Issue 3
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:38 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, Echo Monthly News Issue 3, October 2008 [1] has just been released. This issue highlights these topics: 1. New Icons 2. New Templates 1. General Template with Gradients 2. Paper Template 3. Emotes Tempate 3. Echo Won't Be F10's Default Icon Theme 4. Icon Check Script 5. Echo Future Martin and the Echo Team Oops, forgot to add the references: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue3 Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:47 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: Hi Martin, Hi Máirín, Martin Sourada wrote: If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a result of preview release feedback. Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! Kevin already found a error there (1280x1024 having only 1014 height) and built a fixed package [1]. I'll request the freeze break then. Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68083 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Hi, I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two). Since we are in freeze already (sorry for it, we could not make it in time) and the packages are rather big, I'd like you to test it first before I request a freeze break. You can d/l from koji [1]. Please report any problems, preferably on fedora-art-list or by mail to me directly. If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68050 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 23:54 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Above issues have been addressed. Here is latest version. Apart from the 16x16 they look good. The 16x16 needs more contrast, both the inner white outline and outline are too thin. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 00:55 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Outline has been increased to 1,5px. For that size, I am not sure if it is necessary to enlarge inner white outline. 16x16 should look crisp enough. This one is definitely better. Maybe slightly darker gradient for the 16x16 might further help, maybe not. You could also try making the outline slightly darker in that size. I have no other comments. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Icon Theme Future
Hi, the last week's discussion about Echo was pretty fruitful I think and showed that the general opinion is to not include Echo in F10 as a default icon set. I take this as an opportunity to rethink the general goals of echo and give some credit to various critics. The main reason why *I* think not to have Echo in F10 as default is incomplete coverage of other-than-48x48-px sizes and shortcomings of the scalable icons that are supposed to fill the gap. We're slowly but steadily improving that and I think Echo should not be submitted for inclusion in Fedora as default icon set before this issue is resolved. Next there is a general coverage where we are already close to gnome upstream icon set. We will be improving that as well. I'd like to focus on (nearly) full coverage of Desktop Live Spin, KDE Live Spin and XFCE Live Spin (others as well, but I don't have them all in memory). So if you are missing echo styled icons in your favourite application that is included in one of those spins, feel free to file a bug [1]. It will not be handled instantly, but it helps us deciding what icons need to be done ;-) That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set. Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. My top candidate currently is perspective projection from a similar viewpoint as used by gnome icon theme - that would much improve our coexistence with it. I am attaching proof of concept icon sketches following this projection rule. I plan to explore other types of projections as well and write another blog post (a follow-up to [2]) later (but it will take some time, since I don't have much spare time available for echo lately). Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/newticket [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/10/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-i.html attachment: echo-perspective-a-arrow.pngattachment: echo-perspective-a-arrow.svgattachment: echo-perspective-a-package.pngattachment: echo-perspective-a-package.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme Future
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 13:13 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. Quick comment, I remember having a discussion with Maírín about setting perspective for 24x24 and less icons. Perhaps applying that illustrated perspectivs to all categories at those sizes might help. Spherical icons will have much impact. Extra small icons (16x16) should stay flat due to their size. Luya 16x16 should be definitely flat, I am still considering whether 24x24 as well, but seeing how gnome handles that, probably not... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 21:04 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Looking better but still not good enough, I think. Try to shape the icon in similar style like in gnome icon theme (with isometric pesrspective though). You should add shadow as well. Martin New version of emblem-symbolic-link. The shape is better, but a) the white outline has differing width and in 16x16 it's missing completely use 2px thick in 48x48, and 1px in 24x24, 32x32 can have either 1px or 1.5px width, whatever looks better. I'd also to create it from inkscape-drawn outline (4px resp. 2px width) with rounded edges/corners. b) the arrow head looks subjectively too big, probably because of a) c) the arrow looks like it's falling over. It should be standing, not laying. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 11:42 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: a) the white outline has differing width and in 16x16 it's missing completely use 2px thick in 48x48, and 1px in 24x24, 32x32 can have either 1px or 1.5px width, whatever looks better. I'd also to create it from inkscape-drawn outline (4px resp. 2px width) with rounded edges/corners. b) the arrow head looks subjectively too big, probably because of a) c) the arrow looks like it's falling over. It should be standing, not laying. Martin I attach 256x256 example which addresses these issues. Martin attachment: emblem-symbolic-link.pngattachment: emblem-symbolic-link.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 20:59 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Did for preferences-desktop-keyboard-shortcut. The side and top faces are too dark -- outline not visible. I'd made the keys look more computer keyboard like, but these are probably fine as well, if you make the lighting corrections mentioned above. The 32x32 and bellow are blurry. For 32x32 it would be probably sufficient to play with the positioning/sizes to fix this, for 22x22 and bellow, I'd join the keys together (i.e. bring them close enough so that the gap between them would be just 1px thick outline). I'd drop the bottom row. You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there, you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse (with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented 16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer icon. Using that approach, 32x32 and above looks like. I had to simplified 22x22 and 16x16 for the keyboard. It would work better if you added a cord to the design. 22x22 probably needs further simplification, 16x16 lacks clarity. I'd suggest you use about the same amount of detail both for 16x16 and 22x22, since the current 16x16, even though blurry, suggest better than the 22x22 that it's actually a keyboard. For 256x256 I'd suggest making more detailed design, where the keys would not be just painted on the keyboard, but objects by themselves. You can probably use the same design for input-keyboard as well. The only difference is that while input-keyboard is a device icon, preferences-desktop-keyboard is used for symbolising configuration of the keyboard. There's also icon for System-Preferences-Personal-Input Method (preferences-desktop-input), I think the bluecurve metaphor might work for echo as well. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Addressing ticket #25 with revamped keyboard + shortcut variant
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 02:54 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Some calculators have similar keyboard. Added depth adn alignment to the grid should be fixed. Luya References: http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/applications/ To me, everything below 32x32 is almost unreadable. The side of the keys is too dark and as a result outline gets lost there. Did you tried making the key shape a little pyramid-like? I'd suggest to bring the keys closer, or even join them together in the smallest sizes. The 16x16 really does not look at all like keyboard. You could perhaps try classical approach - whole keyboard, with key labels only on the 256x256 version. The shape is pretty easy to recognise even at small sizes and details are not much necessary there, you just need to make it look like keyboard ;-) You might even reuse (with slight edits, more detailed 256x256 version and different oriented 16x16 version - top look on the keyboard) the keyboard from the computer icon. The a-few-keys approach might on the other side work good for input method or shortcuts, but I'd make the keys more computer/laptop-keyboard-like and perhaps even omit the text, which is unreadable at small sizes. Just for the record, in rawhide correct icon is used already (preferences-desktop-keyboard). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme in F10?
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Here's some of that feedback. There are other screenshots at the bottom of the page I wanted to do the full critique on, but after spending some hours doing the critique that is complete there, I felt that what is there sufficiently and objectively demonstrates that Echo is not ready to be a default icon set: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Duffy/EchoCritiqueF10 While I agree with a good part of your criticism, I think you go a bit too far in defending the current set and making it look like is not broken (maybe is not broken as much, but broken enough to need repairing): http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/Echocrit-f10-hardware-menu-gnome.png If I recall correctly Andreas asked many times here to fill bugs for problems like those ;-) Yeah, the upstream default is not complete either and have some issues (I also noticed slightly different perspective is used for e.g. keyboard and mouse icons than for than for e.g. the preferences one, but the difference is not that big as with echo vs. mist), but Mo wanted to point out Echo issues, which she did pretty carefully and throughout, I think. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 artwork questions
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 12:52 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote: Some general questions: When is it going to land for integration and review? Time is ticking... Peter already has the artwork for syslinux and grub. The wallpapers are ready to be checked in. I'm going to be working with Ray to make this happen this week likely. The wallpapers are already in rawhide (solar-backgrounds package) and working (the last version on wiki). I haven't found the night version of the dual screen one so I skipped it for now. Can some of you fix that (either it's missing altogether or there is some error in the wiki). We just need to enable them by default. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme in F10?
First of all, thanks for the review, it pretty much outlines the issues I feel uneasy about as well. First, most of these issues are caused by SVG icon being scaled down (sometimes for a reason unknown to me and sometimes because of missing appropriate size variant). So I skip these, because we need to just finish other size and adjust them a little to keep them in sync with other icons. I seriously doubt we'll fix those in time for F10. Now, for the rest. The delete icon - yes, it looks different and I proposed we change it to something other. The discussion was postponed for after F10 release. The close icon on tabs - yes, it is chopped off and I don't understand why. It has correct size and the icon itself isn't chopped off, but in *some* applications it looks this way :-/ The door icon - the doors are slightly opened, perhaps too little, and behind there is a black space. The two pixel width outline is because both door and the door-hole has it's own outline. I agree, it might need improvement. System-Administration - yep, it probably needs rework to better fit with the style. Shut Down - dunno if you remember, but at the time it was being created there were a lot of submission and for some reason we chose this on. But even after a half a year (IIRC) of seeing it everyday it looks a bit weird me. Network - yep, an old style one. We need to use the new styled monitors for these... Palm - agreed Volume - I accepted it back when we were creating it, but it seems to me it actually uses different perspective from other icons... Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice = pain, while firefox being the best... Basically the toolbar icons are pretty much themable in firefox, thunderbird needs theme, openoffice needs theme. Not a decent citizens. Seeing that our mail client of choice is Evolution though, which works good with Echo, I'd guess Thuderbird hasn't the highest priority (and it does not even fit with the F9 default icon theme). For openoffice we would probably need to symlink/copy the echo icons into echo icon theme for openoffice... I don't know, how they handle it. I'd very much like to hear Luya's opinion, but I don't feel like supporting Echo for F10 as default much longer... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Solar backrounds - enable by default?
Hi, I've just built an updated solar-backgrounds package [1]. It now contains all wallpapers available on wiki (16:10, 4:3, 5:4 and dual) for all day times with the xml for choosing one appropriate for the current time and date. I've bumped up the release to 0.90.0 and if everything is OK and these will be final, I'll bump it again to 1.0.0 which should be in Fedora 10 gold. I noticed there is a brighter horizontal line in the dual screen wallpapers at the left part of the wallpaper. Is that OK? I think it should be fixed. We need to enable them by default, I believe Mo is taking care of it? There's one concern though - the size of the package is 37.4 MiB. Is there a chance to make it smaller, or is it the best we can achieve? Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=66473 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: nodoka 0.8.x branch, configuration
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 17:04 +0200, Elmar Tielke wrote:
Hello there!
Hi!
Congratulations for a very nice GTK engine! I have been playing around
with it for a while now. I'm currently using a mix of nodoka and murrine
elements in my gtkrc (intended to be OSX-like). I'm using the 0.7.1
version of nodoka for most of my theme - murrine is used for the
buttons.
I'd like to see how it looks like :)
I made two small modifications in nodoka to get a different
hilight-effect with the progress- and scrollbar_fill. I thought it might
be worth an idea to make this configurable by introducing two style
variables to specify the hilight values and the gradient center used in
nodoka_draw.c
The variable containing the hilight values could be a list of
float/double values with default setiings from nodoka_draw.c
#define GLASS_HILIGHT 1.1
#define BULGING_TOP_HILIGHT 1.105
#define BULGING_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1.06
#define HOLLOW_TOP_HILIGHT 1.147
#define HOLLOW_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1
#define DARK_TOP_HILIGHT 1.487
#define DARK_BOTTOM_HILIGHT 1
The gradient center again defaults to the value from nodoka_draw.c
#define GRADIENT_CENTER 0.7
Variables might for ex be:
hilight_shades = { 1.1, 1.105, 1.06, 1.147, 1.0, 1.487, 1.0 }
gradient_center = 0.7
What do you think?
Well, I want to expand the nodoka configurability for the 0.8.x branch
and in the past I even considered adding these options, but somehow
forgot about it as I started implementing different styles instead (as
you can see in git or at the wiki [1]). But there is a possibility that
I'll implement these, though in a slightly different way. I'd probably
add something like these:
gradient_gradient_type_custom = TRUE
gradient_gradient_type_stops = {0.0, 0.7, 1.0}
gradient_gradient_type_shades = {1.1, 1.105, 1.147}
gradient_gradient_type_alpha = {1.0, 1.0, 1.0}
The number of stops might be made configurable and it would be decided
by the number of stops specified in gradient_gradient_type_stops.
As how the gradient is implemented in Nodoka now, the gradient_type
would be one of these:
out/in/linear/fade/symmetric
though the names would probably need to change to better reflect that
they are configurable...
Martin
References:
[1] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/0.8.x_Brainstorm
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Echo Icon Theme in F10?
Hi, most of you probably know, but I'll write it again - Echo Icon Theme is the default icon theme in F10 since Beta (for testing purposes and exposition to wider audience) and I am one of the feature owners. The change is rather small (in that it does not break things, replaces just graphics, no code) but pretty much exposed. I'd like to make clear that we are not going to go against general opinion and I deem it natural for the Art (since it's art) and Desktop (since it's going to be default in Gnome Desktop) Teams to decide whether we are ready or not. Because of the nature of the change it is IMHO possible to make the decision last minute (i.e. around the development freeze). What I'd like to ask you now is the preferred way to decide upon it. Should we hold a irc meeting, do a mail vote, set up a vote in the fedora voting system, other way? I'd prefer the vote in the fedora voting system (opened for Art and Desktop team members only), but if you think otherwise would be better, don't hesitate to suggest. I also think that about three or four days for the vote should be enough, so I propose the voting dates to be set to 2008/10/23--2008/10/26. Is that OK with you? Thanks for your comments, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Icon Theme in F10?
On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 23:37 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Since FESCo already made the decision that it sticks if the coverage is good enough, what does the current status look like for the base icons? Based on the list I created [1] for that we have covered about 95% and still need to create about 15 icons. It's likely that we make these in time, but it's also good to decide if the icons that are included are good enough - and different people can have different opinions about that. Rahul Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft
On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 00:13 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : Looking better. Now the only icon that does not seem crisp enough for me is the 22x22. I think you need to simplify the design there (like has been done for the 16x16). I think it would look better if the progress bar in 16x16 was thicker (perhaps two or three pixels would work). Set progress bar ticker for 16x16 icon. Hopefully 22x22 will look good enough. Looking good, I have no further comments. Don't forget to hide the plate layer before commit. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft
On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 00:49 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : I think all the sizes sans 256x256 need further fixes to look more crisp and be better recognisable. For the 16x16 I'd rather use radio button + progress bar than two radio buttons. Updated icon set. Looking better. Now the only icon that does not seem crisp enough for me is the 22x22. I think you need to simplify the design there (like has been done for the 16x16). I think it would look better if the progress bar in 16x16 was thicker (perhaps two or three pixels would work). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 02:12 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Nicu Buculei a écrit : Attached: I copied the widgets to the green window, the icon was unbalanced without them. Good catch. I have updated the model to fix some blurriness on 16x16. Luya I think all the sizes sans 256x256 need further fixes to look more crisp and be better recognisable. For the 16x16 I'd rather use radio button + progress bar than two radio buttons. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] Updated preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 22:58 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: I have updated the theme. The front windows is similar to Nodoka version with blue buttons as difference while the green has darker theme. Comment welcome I think it would be better if you added some button on the vast space inside the window, rather than in the menu, or toolbar or whatever it is. The current one looks sort of strange to me. Also the menu for the green one would be probably better in dark green than in near-black. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo] format-text-* icons
Hi, I've just finished four of the format-text-* icons. For the ones for ltr and rtl I am not yet sure what metaphor to use and since I don't remember seeing them anywhere I think we can wait with their fix for later. Some background to the design I used: I've started with the 16x16 size this time (usually I start with the bigger ones) because these icons are really crucial to be crisp and have recognisable metaphor especially in small sizes (usually they are in tool bars in the 22x22/24x24 version). After few tries I decided to go button-like. It is like you create a button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g. dialog-cancel design, second it is easy to recognise and third (and most important) - when you add the holes, it makes the icon hard to read. I used URW Bookman L font for the design because it nicely shows differences between bold/normal/italics font faces. I hope the usage is OK, the font is not embed in the SVG - I converted it to paths to be able to better work with it. I followed gnome metaphors in using only a because b (bold), i (italics) and u (underline) is English based and not suggestive in many other languages (like my own, Czech). I attach 32x32 versions for quick comparison, the one-canvas ones are available at my fedora people page [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/ attachment: format-text-bold.pngattachment: format-text-italic.pngattachment: format-text-strikethrough.pngattachment: format-text-underline.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] format-text-* icons
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 18:18 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: After few tries I decided to go button-like. It is like you create a button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g. dialog-cancel design, second it is easy to recognise and third (and most important) - when you add the holes, it makes the icon hard to read. I think I have to *see* those button-like icons in a real toolbar to decide if I like the style. The PNGs saved on my desktop do not look good on a colored background, but not that bad on a light gray one opened with eog. Well, the first impression is not the best one in this case, you are not used to this type of icons, but after a while it gets better - during the long time I've created these (I didn't have much time to work on them) I grew to love them... I think the shape for striketrough would be better with the dash on the same plane as the letter face, not on top of it (attached). Probably you can do it better with extra details (show the top of the dash). I haven't tried this one but it seems to look better :-) And I attached a preview with all the icons grouped, I find it much better for previewing. Well, previewing is best in tool bar... but for that I would need to add the icons to the theme first (I've done this with some of the system - administration icons) ;-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New image-missing icon set
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 00:39 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: I have tested that script. It does its job. I think you should add quote like Done. No error reported. Good idea :) Speaking about paper-template, it will be nice to set a directory to store such template in git repository. I think of having them part of the echo-artist scripts (so in git they would be in the echo-artist sources), as well as available directly on the Guidelines page. I just also though about adding some gradient definitions to the templates - so that we would use gradients easily and consistently (the most used ones like gray, white, blue, green, metallic, orange, brown, yellow). What do you think of it? Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New image-missing icon set and emote-template
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 00:58 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Updated image-missing icon set[1]. I also created both paper-template from that set and a template for emotes[2]. The latter uses colours from the logo Echo, face-smile received some slight modifications which will happened after essential icons before the release of Fedora 10 is done. Luya The emotes template looks pretty good, looks in my other email for comments on the paper template. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] New preferences-desktop-theme icon set draft
On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 01:57 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Looking to other icons, ideas about shirts for colour theme does not really convince. Instead, this version use a simple tile sheet with primary colours from the light (can be used with printing or organic colours as well). Feedback welcome. Luya It's not just changing colours, you can change there everything from background to font... I suggest you stick with the t-shirt analogy, IMHO it works pretty good. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
