Hi Rebecca
Injecting at home is good if you can manage - much less stress. I can't
remember if your kitties are vegan or not. Alternatively if you cat will eat
chicken or anything that is manageable if your cat is vegan - (I have to do
this to when I give mine tablets now). I put minute
Rebecca,
I don't say much but read the emails. Guess you might say I lurk alittle bit...LOL
If the last resort is taking your baby in to the Vet getting pilled or whatnot then do it. You could arrange for it certain times of the day for them to do it. Like the Vet Techs or Vet Assistants can
Hi all
I just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for the
London Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one of
her readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so naturally
is counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner sounds a
real cat
also see if you could hire one of the vet assistants to come over and medicate poor kitty some of my friends have done that for pilling and doing sub-qs. there might be folks in local rescue groups who could help out, too.
i truly have found that most don't mind injectibles at all; i
What I do with Smoky, a now nearly 19 pound gorgeous boy who HATES being held and/or picked up, is that we are either on the bed or the floor and I'm sitting on my butt and have him positioned between my thighs so my legs are holding him, that way I have both hands free - when I can catch him (the
i've heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put those
stories in the same category as alien-abduction
On 11/29/05, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I do with Smoky, a now nearly 19 pound gorgeous boy who HATES being
held and/or picked up, is that we are either on the
I actually have a few of those "easy to medicate" kitties, but the ones that stay on my mind are the two I have who would rather let me break their neck trying to get a pill...or even liquid...down them than take it willingly! And of course they are the ones who need meds most often!TenHouseCats
First off, the only thing that works on the odor is aliquidenzyme cleaner. Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both excellent. The area in question must also be completely saturated with the cleaner in order for it to work properly.If at all possible, you shouldconfine them to a smaller space
MOL, I will also add that Ninja was not a normal healthy cat. She had been abused and was imprinted on humans, so her responses weren't always typical feline.TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put thosestories in the same category as
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Thanks
SO much Barb. This is perfect! The person sounds like a real genuine cat person,
soI feel sure that she will follow your instructions. (As we know, a lot
of folks would just think, "I don't think so", and take the cats off to the
nearest shelter/pound.)
I'm
going to
kerry:
check out this link: http://www.preciouscat.com/WebPages/catattract.html
cat attract litter has worked for MANY MANY rescue folks i know of;
i've used it myself with good results (it's not the best for a LOT of
cats at once, just because it sort of cements up--but most folks don't
have
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Anti-Icky Poo and
Liqui-Zyme are both excellent.
A
thought---these brand names won't be available in UK---Michelle--do you happen
to know ofa UK brandthat works really well?
Or,
does anyone know the effective ingredient to look foron the packaging?
Hopefully the ingred
LOL MC, Doobie is easy to medicate - Once you catch him. He runs and hides and
runs
and runs, but once you corner him and grab him, he resigns himself to his fate,
and
isn't any trouble. He's chronic anemic, so he gets vity-mighty-mins
occasionally. I
usually torment him by saying out really
You guys are just great. Thank you so much MaryChristine, and for
finding out about UK distributor.
This is just wonderful.
My sister is a good person, but she is NOT a cat person (none of my
family are)--she's actually scared of cats. I'm also hoping this will
bring her around a littleshe's
I'm one of the few that don't know of this listthis is great! I now
have a great package of ideas to send on!!
I SO appreciate all this info!! Thank you thank you!
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um, i was TERRIFIED of cats, and thought i hated the little beasts
til one of my shelties brought one home back in '75. after the
current dogs in the family at that time passed on, i haven't had one
since. cats, well, we KNOW that's another story! (people who knew
me in the first 26
i'm firmly convinced that my cats LOVE to watch mommy run around the
house after them with a loaded syringe as i said, great
exercise
--
MaryChristine
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not all persians are so badly bred, but way too many are but their
personalities are so wonderful. sadly, the one good thing about
loving persians is that there are ALWAYS more than enough of them in
rescue, so i will never have to be without one in my life. (one? yeah,
i can't remember
I didn't know humans created the Persian??? Were they
created by breeding a Pug with a long haired cat? No
seriously...how did Persians come about?
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Yes, MC is right, if you ever want a challenge, try
pilling a Persian! They don't have mouths, they have
little
actually Kerry, I just spoke with Anti-Icky Poo and they are negotiating with Pets @ Home (British pet stores) and it should be available there in 3-4 weeks. If you give me this gal's email, I will send it to Richard, the guy at Anti-Icky Poo and he'll give it to Ken, the guy at Pets @ Home and
You're so funny! My felv babies were easy to medicate, but they were
bottle babies and trusted me completely. I have the full gamut here,
those that are easy, those that can be easily restrained, and those that
would rather kill me than submit to taking a pill!
TenHouseCats wrote:
i've
and in the meantime - the type of cleaner needed is a live bacterial enzyme solution - these little guys are what eat organic stinky stuff. Am now going to check w/LiquiZyme:)Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:actually Kerry, I just spoke with Anti-Icky Poo and they are negotiating with
When I was having to daily medicate Gracie, I found that even thinking
about pill time would send her scurrying. I would have to keep
something else in my mind, (birds fluttering worked best!), or I
wouldn't be able to find her when I had the pill popper ready :) .
N
TenHouseCats wrote:
well, humans didn't INVENT them, but they certainly have been
responsible for turning them into the extreme-faced things you see at
shows now. doll-faced persians have much less extreme faces, and
far fewer breathing and eye problems here's one take on their
origin:
I guess I got lucky with my Maizee,she took her pill like a good little trooper,hey we had to do it everyday so something had to give.At firts it wasn't that easy,but we came to a understanding,and the pill popper really helped.A while back she stole the popper and I still have not found it :),I
That is so true Tencats,For the first few weeks I would get nervous and an upset stomach when it was close to the time to give her that dreaded pill,but like I said it was like we somehow came to an understanding,plus I would give her one or 2 of her Temptations treats,then the pill then a whole
I'm not sure Kerry but I'll have a search around and report back.
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
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Barb:
You Rock!!!
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On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005
11:11 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: For
Michelle UK: toilet training help needed for adult cats +enzyme
There are a few things that I'd like to ask if you've tried.
1) plug in pherimones - sometimes relaxes the animal so they don't get so
territorial.
Are there any other animals sharing the house (their patch)? if so put them in
one room so that they develop a sense of security and keep that
I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to
pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement.
Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold
the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the
Wow, a home-made piller! Aren't you the ingenious little cookie?! I
like the idea of the Nutrical in the syringe behind the pill, pleasant
tasting way to help it slide down their throat.
N
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I
do
There are two good things about the strategy I suggested re: Nutrical-- 1)
they like the taste of the Nutrical usually so the pill does not taste bad, and
2) if you get it back in their mouth it sticks because of the goopiness of the
substance so it is harder to spit out.
You can also add
I don't get the credit. The woman who runs the shelter where my cats came
from showed it to me. She alwayssaid, jokingly, thatshe should
patent it and market it as a way to raise money for the cat shelter, because it
really does work well.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/29/2005 12:43:02
In a message dated 11/29/05 10:44:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i've
heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put thosestories in
the same category as alien-abduction
LOL!
Patti
I think those things we
think are cats are really aliens who figured out it was not so bad to be a cat
in one of our homes!
Chris
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Sent: Tuesday, November
I was convinced this was true of Peepers, a friend's cat who lived with me
for a while. He looked and acted like an alien, and it seemed quite clear that
he was only here on a mission to investigate humans.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/29/2005 1:13:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL
All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans. Humans find a quality they
like in
a cat, and find other cats that have that quality, and breed those cat
together, to
keep that quality, then those are bred to others like them and back into future
generations, until a breed is born. That is
Thank you to everyone for your advice. You're all so awesome and wonderful.
Nina thanks so much for the encouragement and support. I feel better today, but
am still upset that I can't treat him and that he's feeling so awful. It breaks
my heart.
I called the vet today to ask about other
I didn't know that the number one reason cats are
euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;
that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's
brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep
this past spring because it was urinating in their new
home in the dining room. I was
That makes me sick. Again, why isn't this illegal? I
think a serious flogging is in order here Or
worse
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans.
Humans find a quality they like in
a cat, and find other cats that have that quality,
and breed
I'm always, always learning with this group, and so perhaps I'll realize
there are good reasons for breeding.
But I've always had a gut reaction against all breeding, and the buying
and selling of animals, when there are so many homeless animals that
need homes.
I am always so disappointed when
Dear Rebecca
Wishing you and sweet Brooklyn lots of good luck and sending lots of
healing, positive vibes this afternoon/evening. Please keep us posted
when you have time. You are one great cat mom.
Kerry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs
Sent: Tuesday,
What a shame---I would love to start a group with you, but (again like
someone else said) I can scarcely cope with one group. I figured that
Jenn's o/t list could serve as a catchall (and I can stop feeling guilty
then about asking o/t Qs).
I just looked on the website you sent again--I must read
You most certainly may give him injections at home. Your vet probably
figures you're like most pet owners who don't want to deal with it.
He don't know you too well, do he? Get them, or someone that comes to
your house, to show you how to give the injections. I never board my
animals for
In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I didn't
know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their
lack of litter habits;that is SO sad.
That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine
Coon boys
Both brought to
In a message dated 11/29/05 1:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll
realizethere are good reasons for breeding.
Sorry, with the number of innocents MURDERED every day in shelters, I
personally can not see ANY REASON, GOOD OR OTHERWISE, FOR
BREEDING
I think that is why some animal welfare groups are advocating for
guardianship status rather than ownership so that people, including
breeders, can't have animals killed for frivolous reasons.
Bonnie
www.elephants.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November
I can't figure out my new hosts' email lists. I'll let you guys know when I do.
We
may be better off just starting a yahoogroup for the OT stuff on this list.
Yahoogroups have files and photos section too, nice features actually. If anyone
thinks that would work let me know, I'd be happy to start
Thanks, Sherry. I know exactly what you mean. I still watch where my feet go when I walk thru the house - she was so tiny that if I stepped on her it would hurt - rather than just bumping her and her moving out of the way like the "big guys" do! Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Susan,I am
In a message dated 11/29/05 2:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When
Iread her surrender form, the people had written that they cleaned
herlitterbox ONCE A WEEK
Yes, isn't it amazing that these felines would
actually want a clean place to do their
Good for you Patti. I wish all kitties were as lucky
as your two Maine Coons!!!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I didn't know that the number one reason cats are
euthanized is because of their
I think the big picture here is EDUCATION. So many
people are uneducated about their animals, which is
irresponsible in and of itself (at least not knowing
the basics, like cleaning the litter box often!!!).
Of course, that's the problem with many things wrong
in life if you think about it, like
This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will
I know.. , but
"sadly" there are just so many cats that are euthanized because of "improper
elimination"...
If only people would educate themselves... (I know, I'm dreaming)
So many cases are due to:
1) UTI's (urinary tract infections)
2) DIRTY litterboxes
3) DECLAWING
4) Emotional upsets
In a message dated 11/29/05 3:05:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think
the big picture here is EDUCATION
Yepwe are on the same wave length, or we're both just dreamers.
I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't
doing so great at the box, and will probably have to
replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN
HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way.
There are always other options. That's just cruelty,
laziness, self-centeredness, or
Thank you, Sandy --- it means a lot to me and Garfunkle.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dudes
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Garfunkle
Hideyo, I'm sorry, too.
I can't even imagine
I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an
animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio.
http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php
Boonie
www.elephants.com
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From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 29,
Thanks Bonnie. I will have to read it.
:)
Wendy
--- BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious
Feline. She is an
animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public
Radio.
http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php
Boonie
Ok, this is my selfish Q/thought: I love this group. It's the only list
I have ever actively belonged to, and from what everyone says, it's also
an unusually supportive/kind group (boy, did I strike lucky!)---if we
have a yahoo group will that group be open to the world? Or will it be
contained to
Lucky Rosalie, after you found her. That's wonderful. So many people are
so lacking in compassion--if it wasn't for the support this group gives
me I'd be permanently in despair, I think.
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KALMBACH
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You're right, Patti.
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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005
1:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
In a message dated
Oh you bet it is!
I deal with on regular basics!
Just pisses me off!
My Vets are good about calling rescues in when they get beautiful kitties that come from situations like this...g!
In a message dated 11/29/2005 12:22:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
know.. ,
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What
sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in
this respect is.
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Welcome to the club!
We all rant over crap like this because we know it's a excuse to dump a kitty!
Some are educated but don't give a rat's a$$ they don't want to deal with it. It isnovelty at first!
Especially with the purebreds. They are the ones I feel sorry for.
You know I'm beginning to
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I can't even stand reading this string of emails because
it's so upsetting.. but I also know that it's common... I have a friend who is a
vet tech and she tells me that it happens all the time.. she so far adopted
about 6 of kitties who were brought to the clinic and one dog
Title: Message
Oh, yes, we all relate. I'm struggling with
how to talk to people that would do this sort of thing. I'm instinctively a big
mouth, and that's not a way to win people over. And most of my friends do not
have pets---I only saw the light myself about 9 years ago after a cat was
Thanks!
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KALMBACH
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious
I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need.Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day.
This might help. Our geriatric kitty, Julie (my
little brother named her 16 years ago), will not go to
the bathroom unless we open the door for her to go.
Nevermind the fact that right in front of her there is
a kitty door that leads to the kitties' bathroom (it's
a room inside our garage we
Unless I separated her from the other cats at night would that be possible. That wouldn't be fair because she likes to sleep with her brothers.She goes outside every morning and evening and will actually go then. Then about 4 a.m., she goes again in the house, outside the box. She is only a
Ditto my dear. I love some of the purebred dogs, but I love ALL dogs
and if it's a choice between giving up the purebred cats, or dogs and
saving the lonely little souls out there dying everyday for lack of a
home, well then, that's not much of a choice is it?
N
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One
friend of mine was privately defending to me another friend who had
*bought* a puppy and was apparently considering getting rid of him---too much
work (yeah, I know---what am I doing with friends like this). I didn't know
this--thedog "guardian"apparently said that she
Another thing..
People desiring a pure-bred cat, dog can do "searches" on Petfinder/similar
sites.
It's amazing how many ofthese pure-breds also suffer the same fate as
the "others".
Shelters are way over crowded, more animals are being "dumped" than
adopted, so the cycle continues.
my comment about there always being enough persians came from this reality--i, too, cannot sanction breeding, yetlove the specific characteristics of persians so i feel sort of guilty that i can have the best of both worlds yet, if people were to stop taking in rescued persians, would that
In a message dated 11/29/05 6:48:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would
that really stop the people who keep breeding them?
Unfortunately, I don't ever see an end to breeding.
You have these high profile dog/cat shows...
The "reputable" (choke, choke - )
Well, I took Lola in to get re-evaluated, regarless of the fact that
she has been going downhill fast. The results of the second test and
bloodpanel were not nice, especially with her emerging symptoms. The
fluid in her chest is continuing to accumulate, she stopped eating (Ive
been syringe
Michelle,
That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future
reference. Sandy
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35
AM
Subject: Re: Sigh...
I have not been following
Allie my thoughts are with you and your Lola,it sounds like you have her best interests in mind.Good for you to foster a recue kitty,I have volunteered at a kitty rescue here,one place is healthy adoptable furbabies and the other place is for Felv pos and Fiv kitties,I just got home from my second
Title: Message
This thread upsets me too, but I amof the
belief thatif afamily memberhas a problem, we don't put them
to sleep, do we?
I heard someone at work telling a water cooler
story, and it was just horrifying to me, I just can't ever forget it. The
guysaid that he and hiswife and
Allie,
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and Lola. Sometimes knowing
when tolet go is the greatest gift we give our
furbabies, and the most unselfish thing we can do for them.
Wishing you both a peaceful time during your last hours together.
And what better way to honor Lola's memory than
Sherry,
Just wanted to tell you that volunteering your time with shelter cats is
something that is not only beneficial for those kitties, but the rewards you
will get out of volunteering can not be measured
I am sure Maizee is smiling down at you and grinning, thinking, "What a
what really scares me is what this type of human will be like when one
of their children makes a mistake
--
MaryChristine
AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
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Sandy,
Aw, that is just "too" cute.
Can't even think of why she's bringing you gifts though... It is
quirky as you said, but very endearing too. I'd feel very "honored".
All I ever get is "whacked" on the head with the water bowl ( a
very large stainless steel communal bowl). Yes, heaven
Thank you so much Patti,your message made me cry.It doesn't take much though.I do miss my baby girl.I know she loved me.And I am already getting attached to these sweet sweet kitties,one of them that I really was drawn to last night had to go to the clinic today,he looked very weak but he was
Sandy that is so cute,just consider it a loving thing.My Maizee used to bring milk rings,hair ties and even knee hi to me in the middle of the night.I am just glad she never caught a mouse.I am sure it would have ended up on my pillow.I woke up one night and had a nylon on my pillow and it scared
I don't know why, but it sure is cute! What a cool cat! My Snowshoe carries
things in her mouth while meowing loudly, and looking around frantically like
she thinks someone is going to take it from her, but she never brings the item
to us, she just walks around meowing with it in her mouth.
LMFAO Sandy! Do you think the dog is trying to tell you that the cats are
driving him nuts because they bother him when they are out of water?
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt
a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a
FIV+ cat:
Peace in passing to Lola, and to you in your time of grief. It sounds like
you've made a good decision, and I think that honoring her by saving another cat
right away is a great tribute to her.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt
a cat from UCAT
"I am right next door to Lancaster, Pa. and the
"blood-sucking" Amish and their puppy mills.
Grr.."
The Amish treat their horses horribly too, many a horse bound for slaughter
was sent there by the Amish once they had broken it down so much with over work
and neglect
Sherry,
I didn't mean to make you cry..
I know how hard it is loosing a precious furbaby. I still cry when I
talk about my Mr.Chow. He was the first cat I lost, and he also was the first
cat I lost to Felv. Back then hardly anything was known about Felv, they hadn't
even started testing
In a message dated 11/29/05 11:31:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm sure
you know about the New Holland sale, being close to it there
HORRIBLE!
OMG!! That is horrid! I went to a sale once with a friend in Horse
Rescue, and I must say I have NEVER felt so
In a message dated 11/29/05 11:24:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you
think the dog is trying to tell you that the cats are driving him nuts because
they bother him when they are out of water?
Who knows with Lucy
Maybe she finds it entertaining watching
Well...
i got to the vet hospital and they said your appt is for thursday! i said no,
this is important to do now, so i have to
see someone now, i said my cat is sick and needs medication that I can't give
him so I have to see someone about it
he cant go on like this he feels terrible. The
"Well, all I can say, if
there is indeed a God, those people should fear
him!!"
I couldn't agree with you more! I never knew how bad it
really was til I bought a movie called Peaceable Kingdom. It's all about farm
animals, and the way they are treated. They showed a scene of a sale much
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