Re: Patty
As far as I know, no one has heard for quite some time. I wish too that we had some way to find out how she is doing, and pray that she's recovering. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Patty Can anyone tell me how Patty is doing? I pray that she is on the road to recovery. Sheila
Re: Lucy again
Dear Michelle: If you find that you need pred after this refill let me know. I probably can be of some help! I have the pred in 5 mgs tablets. I hope the transition for Lucy and you goes smoothly! Best wishes! Precious Pets --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. The vet said he will refill for me at least one more time but to try to reduce it as fast as I can without it bothering her. I had put her on 11.25 mg/day and went to 10 mg/day yesterday and today she has blood on her stool and is eating a little less again. But solid stools and acting frisky, so hope she is just adjusting. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 3:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no point in stressing Lucy if you don't have to. I wonder if there are other sources of pred. Do you have a farm/seed store around. Sometimes they have meds for livestock OTC that would require a prescription for a pet. I don't know but it would be worth a call. Lots of prayers for Lucy and all the others. And for you and all the other caregivers. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy again
I have prednisolone in 5 mg tablets. I like it better than prednisone because it's not metabolized by the liver my Paddy, even tho his liver values are fine, has a very old liver at 21 1/2 years. I almost never use prednisone anymore, only prednisolone, they are identical except for that one thing. Pam - Original Message - From: Precious Pets, Almost Home [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: Re: Lucy again Dear Michelle: If you find that you need pred after this refill let me know. I probably can be of some help! I have the pred in 5 mgs tablets. I hope the transition for Lucy and you goes smoothly! Best wishes! Precious Pets --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. The vet said he will refill for me at least one more time but to try to reduce it as fast as I can without it bothering her. I had put her on 11.25 mg/day and went to 10 mg/day yesterday and today she has blood on her stool and is eating a little less again. But solid stools and acting frisky, so hope she is just adjusting. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 3:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no point in stressing Lucy if you don't have to. I wonder if there are other sources of pred. Do you have a farm/seed store around. Sometimes they have meds for livestock OTC that would require a prescription for a pet. I don't know but it would be worth a call. Lots of prayers for Lucy and all the others. And for you and all the other caregivers. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lucy again
I just want to specify that I have the Prednisolone in 5 mg tablets if that is what you need. Also, from my experience you are suppose to decrease the dosage of the Pred slowly. Stages of decreasment would be for periods of two to three weeks. Precious Pets --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have prednisolone in 5 mg tablets. I like it better than prednisone because it's not metabolized by the liver my Paddy, even tho his liver values are fine, has a very old liver at 21 1/2 years. I almost never use prednisone anymore, only prednisolone, they are identical except for that one thing. Pam - Original Message - From: Precious Pets, Almost Home [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: Re: Lucy again Dear Michelle: If you find that you need pred after this refill let me know. I probably can be of some help! I have the pred in 5 mgs tablets. I hope the transition for Lucy and you goes smoothly! Best wishes! Precious Pets --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. The vet said he will refill for me at least one more time but to try to reduce it as fast as I can without it bothering her. I had put her on 11.25 mg/day and went to 10 mg/day yesterday and today she has blood on her stool and is eating a little less again. But solid stools and acting frisky, so hope she is just adjusting. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 3:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is no point in stressing Lucy if you don't have to. I wonder if there are other sources of pred. Do you have a farm/seed store around. Sometimes they have meds for livestock OTC that would require a prescription for a pet. I don't know but it would be worth a call. Lots of prayers for Lucy and all the others. And for you and all the other caregivers. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: spencer is feeling better
I am sooo glad spencer is feeling better. I can't offer any medical advice since i am very new to this sickness and all my knowledge has been from this GREAT group. But I can offer my prayers to you and Spencer. Thank you for sharing pictures of Spencer he is a Beautiful little sweetie pie. Crackers sends many kisses to both of you. Kayte
Re: Lucy again
There other one is still going, actually. I tried it after leaving the first one. The moderator was better, but some of the members are really mean and I ended up leaving because they kept saying nasty things in response to suggestions I made. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 10:53:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got put on moderation several times I think the whole issue is ridiculous with the extent to which they take it. Theywant JUST the information you are replying to. And they watch it like a hawk. There was another IBD list but I think it went under. Pam
Re: Lucy again
I'm in NJ. This is already the second vet in the area that I am trying. I just made an appointment with a really good veterinary referral center for next Friday, with an internist. Unfortunately it is over 1.5 hours away, and Lucy hates hates hates the car, so I am stressed about it. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 10:44:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle. don't reduce it any further for at least two-three weeks. Are there no other vets for her to go to? Where are you? Pam -
I have finally got a new food
In the last week i have been trying to find a new food...crackers is very picky..he wont even eat table food..just meow mix..i have bought different kinds and finally i found one a bit healthy then the meow mixIts purina ONE special care adult cat sensitive systems. It is formulated with yogurt and turkey is #1 ingredient..it has rice and oatmeal for sensitive stomach..turkey and egg for easy digestion vitamin e and omega 6 fatty acids to avoid dry skin it also has the vitamin b-12 supplement vitamin d-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex ( source of vitamin K activity) it also has vitamin e and many other vitamins and minerals in it including calcium and phosphorus...it says that it is scientific formulated for optimal nutrient absorption so more nutrients go to work inside your cat and less pass through as waste..there is cornmeal in it but i am happy atleast he is taking this and that its better for him then meow mix.. kayte
Re: Lucy again
When I have upped her pred it was because she had bad diarrhea, but 10 mg/day of pred makes her bowels solid within a day or two. She only vomits when relapsing, and only after eating grass. The pred stops it immediately. She lost weight when she relapsed 2 months ago, about a pound, and has not put much of it back on but has not lost more. She is about 8 pounds now, maybe a little more. I am really worried right now, though, because since last night she has not been very interested in food. She is eating a little, but only with great encouragement and harrassment. I gave her a little pepcid and a little reglan, and some fluids. She is otherwise acting ok. I am not worried about getting food into her, as she is incredibly easy to force-feed, but more worried as to why she's not wanting food when she is on so much pred. It makes me worry more about lymphoma. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 10:42:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, My Paddy who was 20 at the time (he is now 21 1/2!) was on 10 mg of prednisolone for about 6 months . When I tapered him, it was very very gradually. Several months on 7.5 mg per day, then 5 mg, now he is on a permanent daily dose of 2.5. Does Lucy have any of the usual symptoms?: Vomiting, diarrhea? Loss of weight? Pam
Re: Patty
I wish I knew too...I sent a card to her by snail mail. I inserted my business cards in it for her as well. Told her to call if she needed anything. The card didn't come back so I know she got it. I hope all is well for her "Patty if you can read this please let us know one way or the other by emailing or call me directly!" "You can call my home phone collect if need to: (360) 793-8960 it might be busy due to family members or nobody home so it's always advised to callmy cell phone: (425) 344-6933" In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:26:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I know, no one has heard for quite some time. I wish too that we had some way to find out how she is doing, and pray that she's recovering. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Patty Can anyone tell me how Patty is doing? I pray that she is on the road to recovery. Sheila Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEhttp://www.tazzys-siamseses-collies.petfinder.org/ htpp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
prednisolone and prednisone
I would like to switch Lucy from prednisone to prednisolone, since I have read that the latter is better for IBD and is also more easily used by the body and so less harsh on the liver etc. Someone is willing to give me some prednisolone (my vet does not use it for some reason). Does anyone know if I can switch from prednisone to prednisolone all at once without problem, and if the dosing is the same? Thanks, Michelle
Re: OTS..need suggestions
what happens a LOT in trailer parks is that people move out and leave their cats behind, and/or people think that a trailer park is a great place to dump their own cats--so a lot of times, the cats roaming parks are NOT really owned. and most park managements just consider loose cats a nuisance and aren't that likely to do much to help and, depending on the park, police-park relationships are not always the best, either, so i'm not sure how much help they'd be. the response is most likely going to be, keep your cats inside! On 9/9/06, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good idea. Also Shana, who lives in the park, should post flyers to let people in the park know what is happening. She can't come out say that someone is stealing the cats but she CAN point people whose cats are missing to the SPCA with the information that cats are being turned in there by someone in the park.There ought to be a way for these people whose cats are missing to find out who is responsible but I can't figure out a way to do that. But the police should be notified. Even if all they can do is to pay her a visit, at least she would know that what she is diong is wrong that people are aware of what she is doing. That can't make her feel very comfortable. I have written a letter it will go out tomorrow. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions Kelly, please have someone contact the police. Under the law (unfortunately) animals are property, and she is stealing and destroying people's property and police should know about it. Technically I guess the animals are trespassing on her property, and I really don't know how that balances out (though in a trailer home park, she may not own the land itself but rather just the trailer). But the police might be willing to go and talk to her. Especially since she allowed the person to leave food, essentially attracting the cats to her property, and did not ask neighbors to keep their cats indoors and off her property. I also think it would be a good idea to lobby not only the shelter but also the city council to adopt a policy requiring that non-feral friendly cats must be held for at least 5 or 7 days even if the person dropping them off claims they are strays (would be good if feral also, but less likely to get such a policy). An ordinance making it a crime to bring another person's animal to a shelter without their permissionmight also be good, though in some cases might hamper legitimate rescue operations. Truly horrible. Michelle -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy again
Try giving her Rescue Remedy before you leave and spray the devil out of the car and carrier with Feliway and Catnip spray. It helps a bunch. Then give yourself some RR. Dixie told some ACs that I needed it more than she did. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Lucy again I'm in NJ. This is already the second vet in the area that I am trying. I just made an appointment with a really good veterinary referral center for next Friday, with an internist. Unfortunately it is over 1.5 hours away, and Lucy hates hates hates the car, so I am stressed about it. Michelle In a message dated 9/9/2006 10:44:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle. don't reduce it any further for at least two-three weeks. Are there no other vets for her to go to? Where are you? Pam -
RE: prednisolone and prednisone
I used both for Naomi my vet told me that you could switch right away with no problem but my vet did not have (because they dont make it or my vet did not have) prednisolone in pill form, and she gave injections on her muscle I can call find out if she can get prdnisolone in pill form somhow.. and I will let you know. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: prednisolone and prednisone I would like to switch Lucy from prednisone to prednisolone, since I have read that the latter is better for IBD and is also more easily used by the body and so less harsh on the liver etc. Someone is willing to give me some prednisolone (my vet does not use it for some reason). Does anyone know if I can switch from prednisone to prednisolone all at once without problem, and if the dosing is the same? Thanks, Michelle
how to make oxgen tent for cats
Does anyone know? If so, please let me know or the site I can get information from thank you! Hideyo
Re: OTS..need suggestions
At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote: Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though. I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead, In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats, kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ what happens a LOT in trailer parks is that people move out and leave their cats behind, and/or people think that a trailer park is a great place to dump their own cats--so a lot of times, the cats roaming parks are NOT really owned. and most park managements just consider loose cats a nuisance and aren't that likely to do much to help and, depending on the park, police-park relationships are not always the best, either, so i'm not sure how much help they'd be. the response is most likely going to be, keep your cats inside! On 9/9/06, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good idea. Also Shana, who lives in the park, should post flyers to let people in the park know what is happening. She can't come out say that someone is stealing the cats but she CAN point people whose cats are missing to the SPCA with the information that cats are being turned in there by someone in the park. There ought to be a way for these people whose cats are missing to find out who is responsible but I can't figure out a way to do that. But the police should be notified. Even if all they can do is to pay her a visit, at least she would know that what she is diong is wrong that people are aware of what she is doing. That can't make her feel very comfortable. I have written a letter it will go out tomorrow. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions Kelly, please have someone contact the police. Under the law (unfortunately) animals are property, and she is stealing and destroying people's property and police should know about it. Technically I guess the animals are trespassing on her property, and I really don't know how that balances out (though in a trailer home park, she may not own the land itself but rather just the trailer). But the police might be willing to go and talk to her. Especially since she allowed the person to leave food, essentially attracting the cats to her property, and did not ask neighbors to keep their cats indoors and off her property. I also think it would be a good idea to lobby not only the shelter but also the city council to adopt a policy requiring that non-feral friendly cats must be held for at least 5 or 7 days even if the person dropping them off claims they are strays (would be good if feral also, but less likely to get such a policy). An ordinance making it a crime to bring another person's animal to a shelter without their permission might also be good, though in some cases might hamper legitimate rescue operations. Truly horrible. Michelle -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: prednisolone and prednisone
Thanks. I am getting the prednisolone in pill form, but wanted to know if the dosing is the same.. Do you know? Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:36:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I used both for Naomi –my vet told me that you could switch right away with no problem – but my vet did not have (because they don’t make it or my vet did not have) prednisolone in pill form, and she gave injections on her muscle – I can call find out if she can get prdnisolone in pill form somhow.. and I will let you know.
Re: how to make oxgen tent for cats
I think I remember reading that you put the cat in a carrier and cover the carrier with the oxygen inside. I am not sure if it needs to be covered in a particular way, though. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:40:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know? If so, please let me know or the site I can get information from – thank you! Hideyo
Re: OTS..need suggestions
I am an attorney and have studied a lot of animal law, and I really think that is not true about cats not being personal property. I believe that feral and stray cats are not considered anyone's personal property, but "owned" cats (I hate that term) are definitely considered personal property everywhere. They can be bought and sold, and on all official documents in CA towns that have not adopted guardianship language the term used is "owner." So for the cats who are/were family pets, they can most certainly be referred to, legally, as property, and stealing them is stealing personal property. The fact of them being on her land complicates it, but the fact that she had said it was ok should negate any claims of trespassing. I still think that theft, also called conversion when spoken of in civil versus criminal cases, is the best claim to make. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:42:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though.I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead,In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats,kelly
Re: OTS..need suggestions
OK. First try the police. You are probably right but you may get an officer who is an animal lover. An awful lot are. Second check out the local media for animal lovers. Again, you might be surprised. I was.Bringing attention to such a problem also fills in on slow news days. Aside from being frustrating what can it hurt? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: kelly To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though.I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead,In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats,kellywww.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ what happens a LOT in trailer parks is that people move out and leave their cats behind, and/or people think that a trailer park is a great place to dump their own cats--so a lot of times, the cats roaming parks are NOT really owned. and most park managements just consider loose cats a nuisance and aren't that likely to do much to help and, depending on the park, police-park relationships are not always the best, either, so i'm not sure how much help they'd be. the response is most likely going to be, "keep your cats inside!" On 9/9/06, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a good idea. Also Shana, who lives in the park, should post flyers to let people in the park know what is happening. She can't come out say that someone is stealing the cats but she CAN point people whose cats are missing to the SPCA with the information that cats are being turned in there by someone in the park. There ought to be a way for these people whose cats are missing to find out who is responsible but I can't figure out a way to do that. But the police should be notified. Even if all they can do is to pay her a visit, at least she would know that what she is diong is wrong that people are aware of what she is doing. That can't make her feel very comfortable. I have written a letter it will go out tomorrow. Pam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions Kelly, please have someone contact the police. Under the law (unfortunately) animals are property, and she is stealing and destroying people's property and police should know about it. Technically I guess the animals are trespassing on her property, and I really don't know how that balances out (though in a trailer home park, she may not own the land itself but rather just the trailer). But the police might be willing to go and talk to her. Especially since she allowed the person to leave food, essentially attracting the cats to her property, and did not ask neighbors to keep their cats indoors and off her property. I also think it would be a good idea to lobby not only the shelter but also the city council to adopt a policy requiring that non-feral friendly cats must be held for at least 5 or 7 days even if the person dropping them off claims they are strays (would be good if feral also, but less likely to get such a policy). An ordinance making it a crime to bring another person's animal to a shelter without their permission might also be good, though in some cases might hamper legitimate rescue operations. Truly horrible. Michelle -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release
Re: OTS..need suggestions
I would also note that most local ords. re: stray/feral cats seem to indicate that if a person takes on the responsibility for feeding cats, then they can be held responsible for the cats and for getting the vaccinationsso, while folks want to imply that feral/strays belong to know one, other animal control laws seem to suggest that the simple act of feeding these cats makes them YOUR property and responsibility. So I think certain laws/statutes might send conflicting messages depending on the "goal" of the law. There has been a turn towards more respect for pets/animals in general, but some areas still lag behind. I am not sure what the real topic here was, but just thought I'd throw in my two cents re: ownership of strays/ferals. Tracy - Original Message - From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 9/10/2006 1:48:37 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions I am an attorney and have studied a lot of animal law, and I really think that is not true about cats not being personal property. I believe that feral and stray cats are not considered anyone's personal property, but "owned" cats (I hate that term) are definitely considered personal property everywhere. They can be bought and sold, and on all official documents in CA towns that have not adopted guardianship language the term used is "owner." So for the cats who are/were family pets, they can most certainly be referred to, legally, as property, and stealing them is stealing personal property. The fact of them being on her land complicates it, but the fact that she had said it was ok should negate any claims of trespassing. I still think that theft, also called conversion when spoken of in civil versus criminal cases, is the best claim to make. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:42:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though.I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead,In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats,kelly
Re: OTS..need suggestions
At 10:48 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote: Thanks so much for the good information,,,We just want to insure that she will not do this againI would love to change people attitudes about protecting their own animals, I try and try when ever I have a chance. Actually i did a radio interview that will be aired nationally Tuesday. It has to do with air cooled VW's and our company, but the host let me end it with a message about spay and neuter and caring for your animals. My husband just asked me about a suite against the County for receiving STOLEN property..\ do you know any attorneys or places I could go to here in central California for more detailed information... Thanks Kelly I am an attorney and have studied a lot of animal law, and I really think that is not true about cats not being personal property. I believe that feral and stray cats are not considered anyone's personal property, but owned cats (I hate that term) are definitely considered personal property everywhere. They can be bought and sold, and on all official documents in CA towns that have not adopted guardianship language the term used is owner. So for the cats who are/were family pets, they can most certainly be referred to, legally, as property, and stealing them is stealing personal property. The fact of them being on her land complicates it, but the fact that she had said it was ok should negate any claims of trespassing. I still think that theft, also called conversion when spoken of in civil versus criminal cases, is the best claim to make. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:42:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote: Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though. I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead, In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats, kelly No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: OTS..need suggestions
OK, I can't believe I made such a ridiculous spelling error! No one, not know one. Geez! Tracy - From: Tracy Weese To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 9/10/2006 2:08:57 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions I would also note that most local ords. re: stray/feral cats seem to indicate that if a person takes on the responsibility for feeding cats, then they can be held responsible for the cats and for getting the vaccinationsso, while folks want to imply that feral/strays belong to know one, other animal control laws seem to suggest that the simple act of feeding these cats makes them YOUR property and responsibility. So I think certain laws/statutes might send conflicting messages depending on the "goal" of the law. There has been a turn towards more respect for pets/animals in general, but some areas still lag behind. I am not sure what the real topic here was, but just thought I'd throw in my two cents re: ownership of strays/ferals. Tracy - Original Message - From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 9/10/2006 1:48:37 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions I am an attorney and have studied a lot of animal law, and I really think that is not true about cats not being personal property. I believe that feral and stray cats are not considered anyone's personal property, but "owned" cats (I hate that term) are definitely considered personal property everywhere. They can be bought and sold, and on all official documents in CA towns that have not adopted guardianship language the term used is "owner." So for the cats who are/were family pets, they can most certainly be referred to, legally, as property, and stealing them is stealing personal property. The fact of them being on her land complicates it, but the fact that she had said it was ok should negate any claims of trespassing. I still think that theft, also called conversion when spoken of in civil versus criminal cases, is the best claim to make. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:42:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though.I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead,In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats,kelly
RE: prednisolone and prednisone
Oh good.. The typical dosage for prednisolone is Dose: 2-4mg/kg/day given by mouth, sliding dose every 10-14 days, until optimal dose for that cat is found. And I was giving Naomi 1.25 mg (1/4 tables of 5 mg) of predisone and she weighed only 4 lb..so,, according to this calculation, she would have needed more mg of prednisolone, but I think my vet was being very conservative how much of predisone do you give to Lucy now? Just as fyi Prednisolone should never be used in cats with septic peritonitis or pleurisy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: prednisolone and prednisone Thanks. I am getting the prednisolone in pill form, but wanted to know if the dosing is the same.. Do you know? Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:36:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I used both for Naomi my vet told me that you could switch right away with no problem but my vet did not have (because they dont make it or my vet did not have) prednisolone in pill form, and she gave injections on her muscle I can call find out if she can get prdnisolone in pill form somhow.. and I will let you know. Prednisolone should never be used in cats with septic peritonitis or pleurisy, which is why cytology is a very important part of FIP diagnosis, as there will be many more white blood cells in the effusion of a cat with sepsis, and a good cytologist will detect the bacteria or fungi. Dose: 2-4mg/kg/day given by mouth, sliding dose every 10-14 days, until optimal dose for that cat is found. Prednisolone should never be used in cats with septic peritonitis or pleurisy, which is why cytology is a very important part of FIP diagnosis, as there will be many more white blood cells in the effusion of a cat with sepsis, and a good cytologist will detect the bacteria or fungi. Dose: 2-4mg/kg/day given by mouth, sliding dose every 10-14 days, until optimal dose for that cat is found.
RE: how to make oxgen tent for cats
I think so, too but what is the oxgen volume level in the tank or there is not such a thing? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: how to make oxgen tent for cats I think I remember reading that you put the cat in a carrier and cover the carrier with the oxygen inside. I am not sure if it needs to be covered in a particular way, though. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:40:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know? If so, please let me know or the site I can get information from thank you! Hideyo
Re: prednisolone and prednisone
Prednisone dosages vary, but should not exceed 2 mg/lb/day, and that only for severe conditions. Lucy is right now on 12.5 mg/day. She weighs 8 pounds. For severe IBD, recommended starting dosage is 1-2 mg/lb/day, so Lucy right now is right in the middle of that dosage (1.5 mg/lb/day). She has been as low as 1.25 mg every 3 days in the past, but has been having a lot of problems lately and so is back up to her highest dose. So are you saying she would get more prednisolone than the pred she is getting? Are you sure? Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 2:29:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh good.. The typical dosage for prednisolone is Dose: 2-4mg/kg/day given by mouth, sliding dose every 10-14 days, until optimal dose for that cat is found. And I was giving Naomi 1.25 mg (1/4 tables of 5 mg) of predisone and she weighed only 4 lb..so,, according to this calculation, she would have needed more mg of prednisolone, but I think my vet was being very conservative – how much of predisone do you give to Lucy now?
Re: how to make oxgen tent for cats
I think the level of oxygen would just be whatever level is prescribed for the individual cat. When my dog Fern was on oxygen during her last days, the vet told us where to put the dial on the tank that we rented. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 2:31:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think so, too but what is the oxgen volume level in the tank or there is not such a thing?
Re: OTS..need suggestions
At 11:15 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote: I was planning on calling ALDF on Monday, they are in Cotati which is not too far. Iam a supporter of both groups, also have pre paid legal so at least I can get some basic free information, I think because the county claims to hold them for 5 days they are ok,,,It then becomes unclaimed property I guess We all need to make waves where and when we can,,,We need to speak for those who can't. Thanks for all the great suggestions,,, Kelly Animal Legal Defense Fund is in San Rafael-- not sure where in CA that is, but it is a national group. They are mostly a network of lawyers and handle some cases themselves, but generally big cases against government entities that will have nationwide impact. You might try calling them, though, and seeing if a) they can give you any advice, and/or b) if they would be willing to refer you to a local attorney member. They have stopped giving out referrals, i think, but it is worth asking. I think an even better place to call is probably Alley Cat Allies in D.C. Both groups have web pages with their contact info. Alley Cat Allies focuses on feral cat issues, has networks of members all over the country, and knows some attorneys as well (they referred me to someone in NM who helped Hideyo with some animal control issues). I would bet they have seen this kind of thing happen before, and would be able to give you some advice. I do think it is possible that the county has broken some kind of law by taking the cats without question and euthanizing them. I would not have thought of the receipt of stolen property argument, but it might work. Of course, that is a criminal act, and you are talking about a civil suit (or threat thereof) rather than criminal (only the government can file criminal cases). But there is probably a civil equivalent to receiving stolen property. Conversion is the civil equivalent of theft. I am not sure whether knowingly or recklessly receiving converted property is a claim in and of itself. I really would suggest calling the two groups I mentioned and asking their thoughts. And please write and let us know what they say! Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 2:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:48 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote: Thanks so much for the good information,,,We just want to insure that she will not do this againI would love to change people attitudes about protecting their own animals, I try and try when ever I have a chance. Actually i did a radio interview that will be aired nationally Tuesday. It has to do with air cooled VW's and our company, but the host let me end it with a message about spay and neuter and caring for your animals. My husband just asked me about a suite against the County for receiving STOLEN property..\ do you know any attorneys or places I could go to here in central California for more detailed information... Thanks Kelly No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Kerry,If he's eating and drinking that much I think it's a very good sign. I assume you're not giving broth with salt in it though. That wouldn't be good.take care, tKerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am really out of touch with things lately since Inky's been so sick. His last blood work was improved though...BUN 28 down from 79 and CRE 2.3 down from 2.9 which normal is 2.1 so that is much better...I have taken him for fluids 3 times and I am not doing it anymore...I know they need them, but he is so stressed out from it that we both can't handle it...It seems to me that his heart can't take it..He is out of it for nearly 12 hours after receiveing 100 to 150cc of fluids...He won't even get up to eat or drink..He will only go to the box..Have any of you ever had a kitty that got so out of it from fluids.. They usually make them feel better, but in Inky's case it just makes him worse...so I told his vet that I won't do it unless absolutely necessary and seems to me if he is eating good and drinking alot of water and broth without vomiting, that he should be ok...We have even put fluids evenly on both sides of him and it still makes him feel bad...I think I am just going to keep a good eye on him and make sure he eats and drinks his broth..I give him around 110cc 3 to 4 times a day and he drinks all of it..plus water..Any thoughts on this please let me know. Thanks for all your help, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
Re: HACKING???
It really sound like a hairball trying to come up, give him some of that hairball stuff, my Joey will eat it right out of the tube. I have to brag a little he is so good, he had his lump I found removed, my vet felt it wasn't big enough to get a good needle aspirate so she numbed it and removed it. She gave me pain meds to give him and he sits there on the counter and I fill his syringe u and he licks it right out of the syringe, gosh wish they were all so cooperative!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
