Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat & Babies
Lots of questions here. Some here may be better to answer I do not want you to think you will not get answers. This is a fantastic group. DO not do anything rash. Even though they are testing postive the kittens could throw off the virus. Also there is no way to know how long they will live. So enjoy your time with them. Give supportive care. Treat secondary infections aggressively. You will want to retest. I think it is 90 days. The IFA is more reliable than the snap test. Thanks for rescuing these babies. Take a breath. Sally On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:26 PM, M C wrote: > Hello, > > I'm joining this list serv with a heavy heart. We rescued a young Mom cat > and her 4 babies. They appeared healthy for all intents and circumstances. > > Mom just tested positive for FeLV, 2 babies also did (one slight positive, > the other one was definitely positive), and 2 tested negative on the Elisa. > > I need some help in deciding what to do... > > I'd love some feedback, as the Internet only yields so much useful > information... > > 1. If the two kittens tested negative, are they likely negative? > > 2. Should the positive kitten be separated from the slightly positive one > as well? > > 3. If Momma is about 6 mos old, how likely is it that she has FeLV, > considering 2 of the babies also tested for it? Is there a chance she too > could fight off the infection? At what point should Mom be retested with the > PCR or IFA? > > 4. What supplements or foods should we feed these kitties, to help them > fight off the virus? > > 5. How long does Mom have to live, if she is confirmed to have FeLV? What > are the alternatives? We rescue a lot of kittens and cats, so she will end > up living in a cage alone unless we can find her a new home, which I doubt > is going to be very likely. We don't have the funds to send her to a > sanctuary, and we also have several FIV positive cats we are sanctuarying. > Space is also an issue, as that is one less cat or litter we can rescue > since she will be in that cage for a long, long time... > > I'd appreciate your insights and thoughts. > > Thanks, > > Minnie > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
Laura, I am so sorry. She is joining her playmates in a happy place. Hugs Sally -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] When should Bridget be re-tested?
Bridget is going back to the vet today for her 6th LTCI injection. My vet thought we could stop injections at a certain point and then retest, but when would be the best time? She is doing so well and has energy she's never had before. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
I'm so sorry to hear about Baby Girl. She must have waited for you to get home from work to be with her in her last moments. It is so hard to lose each and every one of them. Hugs to you and Celery. Sue - Original Message - From: "LauraM" To: Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/13/10 07:33:00 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
Laura I was saddened to read that Baby Girl has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. Thankfully she had a gentle passing being loved on your lap. She had 2 wonderful years with you and that is a blessing. Sharyl --- On Fri, 3/12/10, LauraM wrote: > From: LauraM > Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 8:28 PM > Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. > It feels so strange to write that; I've had her for two > years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it > happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to > make it, so we had a vet appointment for tomorrow morning > for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days ago she was > purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, > but by the time I left for work this morning I think she > hardly knew I was there. When I arrived home this evening > she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held her on > my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she > shuddered, my lights flickered and she was gone. She will > join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty Paws at the > bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original > FeLV group. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
As painful as it is, you are blessed and so is Baby Girl. She got to leave this world the way she wanted to. The Royal Princess Kitty Katt got to leave on her own terms and so did Dixie Louise. I have learned so much from them about letting them leave on their ownnot to let them suffer but to let them leave. Right now you probably don't feel it but, maybe, later, you will feel the blessings Baby Girl has given you. You loved her and comforted her and she knew and accepted every second. If it helps, Dixie was so healthy then something happened a couple of days before she left this world. On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:28 PM, LauraM wrote: Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Stanley and Interferon Question
Hello again, Stanley has suddenly taken a turn for the worse. In the last two weeks, he has gotten very lethargic and not eaten well. We've taken two sets of x-rays: the first showed all his organs well, then the second two weeks later his organs weren't even visible because of all the fluid buildup in his belly. We have him on buprenorphine, prednisolone, and appetite stimulant. He doesn't have anemia yet and has a low grade fever of 103.. He is responding to the medication as well as could be expected, I suppose. The fluid in his belly has also seemed to stabilize a bit since he had the last xray this past Monday. He actually does eat some--he likes his treats and I'm going to make him the liver shake to see if he'll eat that. I have a few questions I'd like to get some opinions on. I have some alpha interferon and was wondering if it was too late to try some of that and, if so, what dosage should I give him? The second is should I have the fluid removed from his belly? I think he'd be more comfortable, although I'm sure the procedure is probably painful. Can he be anesthesized for that procedure and is it worth putting him through the pain? Thanks for some opinions. Diane -- Diane Tyler Spenser's Legacy Animal Rescue www.SpensersLegacy.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] List working?
Hello everyone, is the list working? I have not been able to send or receive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
Hello all; Casper is my symptomatic cat that became positive because I mixed my positives and negatives. I wondered if somehow I had missed his vaccinataion last year. I asked the vet to double check and as I thought he was not even due for his next vaccination until April. Anyway, he is now anemic and we are trying to deal with that. He has been getting Prednosolone and Doxycycline for about a week and a half without improvement. His count was 19 when he was tested two weeks ago. I took him today for a PCV and don't have the results yet. He also got an iron shot. I asked about Epogen. My vet calls it Arithro proeatin (I know I botched the spelling of that.) He is also looking into Interferon. Has anyone had experience with these with an anemic positive cat? Now that my decision to mix has make Casper become positive I want to do whatever I can for him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat & Babies
Hi Minnie, I rescue too, and in 2008 we rescued a litter of 8 feral kittens which we think were from two moms. Four of the kittens tested FelV positive, and died during their first year of life. The other 4 kittens are now 2 years old and fine. I have had them tested twice and they are still negative. Chances are your two kittens are still negative, as some kittens seem to be able to avoid getting the virus even tho they are exposed to it, however, you should get them tested again in 6 or 8 weeks as they could be in the window area where it hasn't shown up yet. My vet says there really is no such thing as slightly positive or very positive, they either are or aren't positive, but they could still throw off the virus. High quality food, L Lysine, and a stress free existence will help keep the mom and kittens well. Mom may be positive, but many FelV cats live long lives. You'll hear some very encouraging words on this group list about how well they do with good care. Caging the mom will be stressful for her, is there another alternative? You will probably get lots more feedback from this group. Keep us posted on them, and good luck. Lorrie On 03-12, M C wrote: > Hello, > > I'm joining this list serv with a heavy heart. We rescued a young > Mom cat and her 4 babies. They appeared healthy for all intents and > circumstances. > > Mom just tested positive for FeLV, 2 babies also did (one slight > positive, the other one was definitely positive), and 2 tested > negative on the Elisa. > > I need some help in deciding what to do... > > I'd love some feedback, as the Internet only yields so much useful > information... > > 1. If the two kittens tested negative, are they likely negative? > > 2. Should the positive kitten be separated from the slightly > positive one as well? > > 3. If Momma is about 6 mos old, how likely is it that she has FeLV, > considering 2 of the babies also tested for it? Is there a chance > she too could fight off the infection? At what point should Mom be > retested with the PCR or IFA? > > 4. What supplements or foods should we feed these kitties, to help > them fight off the virus? > > 5. How long does Mom have to live, if she is confirmed to have > FeLV? What are the alternatives? We rescue a lot of kittens and > cats, so she will end up living in a cage alone unless we can find > her a new home, which I doubt is going to be very likely. We don't > have the funds to send her to a sanctuary, and we also have several > FIV positive cats we are sanctuarying. Space is also an issue, as > that is one less cat or litter we can rescue since she will be in > that cage for a long, long time... > > I'd appreciate your insights and thoughts. > > Thanks, > > Minnie > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
Laura.so very sorry to read your email this morning. My heart goes out to you. I have noticed others on the list mention lighting candles in memory of our precious ones that are now waiting for us at the rainbow bridge. There will be a candle in memory of your sweet Baby Girl this evening in San Diego. Bless you for sharing your love with her. Sara --Original Mail-- From: "LauraM" To: Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:28:45 -0800 PST Subject: [Felvt talk] Baby Girl has passed Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
When gray cat was first diagnosed his hct was at 9. He is currently on a very high dose of Pred & a chemo drug called Chlorambucil. We are getting ready to take him off the chemo drug & start cyclosporin & once again try to slowly reduce his pred. We did interferon & LTCI injections. He test negative now for FeLV. There is always a 3-4 week lag time before you start to see the increase in the Hematocrit with Pred. We have been going through this since Sept. 2008. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2010, at 8:17 AM, "Frank & Sue Koren" wrote: Hello all; Casper is my symptomatic cat that became positive because I mixed my positives and negatives. I wondered if somehow I had missed his vaccinataion last year. I asked the vet to double check and as I thought he was not even due for his next vaccination until April. Anyway, he is now anemic and we are trying to deal with that. He has been getting Prednosolone and Doxycycline for about a week and a half without improvement. His count was 19 when he was tested two weeks ago. I took him today for a PCV and don't have the results yet. He also got an iron shot. I asked about Epogen. My vet calls it Arithro proeatin (I know I botched the spelling of that.) He is also looking into Interferon. Has anyone had experience with these with an anemic positive cat? Now that my decision to mix has make Casper become positive I want to do whatever I can for him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
When Kong was first diagnosed his count was at 7 and he had two blood transfusions to get him back up to a healthy level. He has nonregenerative anemia. He's been on a gradually decreasing dosage of pred and a week on/week off schedule of 1ml of Interferon for the past 6 months. He gets his blood tested every month, and so far, his counts have been in the normal, healthy range. My vet is very young, and Kong is her first FeLV+ cat. She told me that Interferon could not hurt him, but might not help either. However, it seems to be doing something. Kong is going for a check up at a specialist this Friday, or what I like to call, "Dr. McSuperExpensive", and he will be able to tell me more than my vet about exactly what is helping and how it is working. I'll be sure to update and let everyone know what he says. --Ashley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was actually negative? a single negative test means no more than a single positive test does: unless we know for sure when the last possible date of exposure was, and do a final test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any cat is truly negative. this is how my cats all become exposed back in 2000--my housemate, the shelter director, brought in a beautiful little girl who'd tested negative. we didn't know to retest back then, and didn't. she became symptomatic less than a year later. as far as i know, there are no cases of an actually negative cat (tested twice) who has been vaccinated ever becoming positive from living with positives. don't blame yourself for something that you probably DIDN'T do. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Which probiotic did you use for kitty?
Soemone on here mentioned using probiotics for kittys who have felv esepecially for tooth problems and stomach issues. Can someone give me the name of the for felv cats and where i may get it? My cat jsut finished an antibiotic and I know it would be good to give her a probiotic thanks, Claudia --- On Tue, 3/16/10, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:00 PM > Send Felvtalk mailing list > submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Epogen? Interfuron? (Hotmail > Junk) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:31:25 -0700 > From: Hotmail Junk > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron? > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=us-ascii; > format=flowed; delsp=yes > > When gray cat was first diagnosed his hct was at 9. He is > currently on > a very high dose of Pred & a chemo drug called > Chlorambucil. We are > getting ready to take him off the chemo drug & start > cyclosporin & > once again try to slowly reduce his pred. We did interferon > & LTCI > injections. He test negative now for FeLV. There is always > a 3-4 week > lag time before you start to see the increase in the > Hematocrit with > Pred. We have been going through this since Sept. 2008. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 13, 2010, at 8:17 AM, "Frank & Sue Koren" > > > wrote: > > > Hello all; > > Casper is my symptomatic cat that became positive > because I mixed my > > positives and negatives. I wondered if somehow I > had missed his > > vaccinataion last year. I asked the vet to > double check and as I > > thought he was not even due for his next vaccination > until April. > > Anyway, he is now anemic and we are trying to deal > with that. He > > has been getting Prednosolone and Doxycycline for > about a week and a > > half without improvement. His count was 19 when > he was tested two > > weeks ago. I took him today for a PCV and don't > have the results > > yet. He also got an iron shot. I asked about > Epogen. My vet calls > > it Arithro proeatin (I know I botched the spelling of > that.) He is > > also looking into Interferon. Has anyone had > experience with these > > with an anemic positive cat? > > Now that my decision to mix has make Casper become > positive I want > > to do whatever I can for him. > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14 > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
Thankfully, my Gray Kitty, has been negative for over 7-8 months now. All specialists have said we can now stop testing him monthly. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:23 PM, MaryChristine wrote: sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was actually negative? a single negative test means no more than a single positive test does: unless we know for sure when the last possible date of exposure was, and do a final test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any cat is truly negative. this is how my cats all become exposed back in 2000--my housemate, the shelter director, brought in a beautiful little girl who'd tested negative. we didn't know to retest back then, and didn't. she became symptomatic less than a year later. as far as i know, there are no cases of an actually negative cat (tested twice) who has been vaccinated ever becoming positive from living with positives. don't blame yourself for something that you probably DIDN'T do. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Which probiotic did you use for kitty?
Hi Claudia I used Forti-Flora on MeMe. I had no idea that it would help her mouth, but after about three weeks I noticed that her mouth was greatly improved. It is made by Purina but my vet said it is a very effective product and I found that to be true. I bought it on Amazon (of all places) Jane On Mar 16, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Claudia wrote: Soemone on here mentioned using probiotics for kittys who have felv esepecially for tooth problems and stomach issues. Can someone give me the name of the for felv cats and where i may get it? My cat jsut finished an antibiotic and I know it would be good to give her a probiotic thanks, Claudia --- On Tue, 3/16/10, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org requ...@felineleukemia.org> wrote: From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org requ...@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 1:00 PM Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Epogen? Interfuron? (Hotmail Junk) - - Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:31:25 -0700 From: Hotmail Junk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron? To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;delsp=yes When gray cat was first diagnosed his hct was at 9. He is currently on a very high dose of Pred & a chemo drug called Chlorambucil. We are getting ready to take him off the chemo drug & start cyclosporin & once again try to slowly reduce his pred. We did interferon & LTCI injections. He test negative now for FeLV. There is always a 3-4 week lag time before you start to see the increase in the Hematocrit with Pred. We have been going through this since Sept. 2008. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 13, 2010, at 8:17 AM, "Frank & Sue Koren" wrote: Hello all; Casper is my symptomatic cat that became positive because I mixed my positives and negatives. I wondered if somehow I had missed his vaccinataion last year. I asked the vet to double check and as I thought he was not even due for his next vaccination until April. Anyway, he is now anemic and we are trying to deal with that. He has been getting Prednosolone and Doxycycline for about a week and a half without improvement. His count was 19 when he was tested two weeks ago. I took him today for a PCV and don't have the results yet. He also got an iron shot. I asked about Epogen. My vet calls it Arithro proeatin (I know I botched the spelling of that.) He is also looking into Interferon. Has anyone had experience with these with an anemic positive cat? Now that my decision to mix has make Casper become positive I want to do whatever I can for him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
I can't remember now what the time frame was. He was tested at his first vet visit after I adopted him but I don't remember how long that was after I brought him home. Normally I take a newly adopted cat right in to be checked but it has been about four years... Today I called my vet back and told him I wanted the Epogen because I wasn't going to just sit back and watch him die. He called a prescription in to Walgreens and they had to order it. I will pick it up after work tomorrow along with the syringes and give him his first injection tomorrow evening. My vet also contacted another vet he knows who had Imulan in stock and I am going to pick that up Thursday after work. I didn't realise that Epogen and Imulan could be given concurrently. Who knows, maybe there is some hope for my beautiful white fluffy boy after all. Sue - Original Message - From: "MaryChristine" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron? sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was actually negative? a single negative test means no more than a single positive test does: unless we know for sure when the last possible date of exposure was, and do a final test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any cat is truly negative. this is how my cats all become exposed back in 2000--my housemate, the shelter director, brought in a beautiful little girl who'd tested negative. we didn't know to retest back then, and didn't. she became symptomatic less than a year later. as far as i know, there are no cases of an actually negative cat (tested twice) who has been vaccinated ever becoming positive from living with positives. don't blame yourself for something that you probably DIDN'T do. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2751 - Release Date: 03/16/10 19:33:00 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
I wish you the very best!! I know $30,000 later, it is all wrth the name in a CURE! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:59 PM, "Frank & Sue Koren" wrote: I can't remember now what the time frame was. He was tested at his first vet visit after I adopted him but I don't remember how long that was after I brought him home. Normally I take a newly adopted cat right in to be checked but it has been about four years... Today I called my vet back and told him I wanted the Epogen because I wasn't going to just sit back and watch him die. He called a prescription in to Walgreens and they had to order it. I will pick it up after work tomorrow along with the syringes and give him his first injection tomorrow evening. My vet also contacted another vet he knows who had Imulan in stock and I am going to pick that up Thursday after work. I didn't realise that Epogen and Imulan could be given concurrently. Who knows, maybe there is some hope for my beautiful white fluffy boy after all. Sue - Original Message - From: "MaryChristine" > To: Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron? sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was actually negative? a single negative test means no more than a single positive test does: unless we know for sure when the last possible date of exposure was, and do a final test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any cat is truly negative. this is how my cats all become exposed back in 2000--my housemate, the shelter director, brought in a beautiful little girl who'd tested negative. we didn't know to retest back then, and didn't. she became symptomatic less than a year later. as far as i know, there are no cases of an actually negative cat (tested twice) who has been vaccinated ever becoming positive from living with positives. don't blame yourself for something that you probably DIDN'T do. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- --- --- --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2751 - Release Date: 03/16/10 19:33:00 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
Hi Sue, Just wanted to ask what Casper's HCT is right now? Does he have CRF? I have looked into Epogen as well and know some people swear by it. I don't want to contradict anything you've heard but just wanted to offer up another thing to consider. The specialist I talked to said all of the treatments mentioned on this list, that is the only one she would never use. She said that while a positive may respond well to it, the chance of doing irreversible harm is high. I know that is controversial but she said she has seen one cat after another react to it. She said that is is really tough to reverse the damage if the cat does react and not a risk she would ever take. I don't know where I stand on Epogen because I have heard such completely opposing views on it. I don't judge those that use it nor do I judge those who won't go near it. Just wanted to present what I was told in case it could help in any way. I hope whatever you try works wonders for Casper! What have other people heard/experienced with Epogen? I know that if a cat has nonregenerative anemia, has a HCT below 20, etc. the idea is sometimes that the cat is going to die anyways so what's the harm in trying something that could cause a reaction or might not. What I don't get is the reason behind using Epogen for a cat that is not in renal failure. If the cat is producing erythropoietin fine, what could the Epogen do to help? I'd love to hear more about this. Amy --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Frank & Sue Koren wrote: > From: Frank & Sue Koren > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 8:59 PM > I can't remember now what the time > frame was. He was tested at his first vet visit after I > adopted him but I don't remember how long that was after I > brought him home. Normally I take a newly adopted cat > right in to be checked but it has been about four years... > Today I called my vet back and told him I wanted the Epogen > because I wasn't going to just sit back and watch him > die. He called a prescription in to Walgreens and they > had to order it. I will pick it up after work tomorrow > along with the syringes and give him his first injection > tomorrow evening. My vet also contacted another vet he knows > who had Imulan in stock and I am going to pick that up > Thursday after work. I didn't realise that Epogen and > Imulan could be given concurrently. Who knows, maybe > there is some hope for my beautiful white fluffy boy after > all. > Sue > - Original Message - From: "MaryChristine" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron? > > > > sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was > actually negative? a > > single negative test means no more than a single > positive test does: unless > > we know for sure when the last possible date of > exposure was, and do a final > > test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any > cat is truly negative. > > this is how my cats all become exposed back in > 2000--my housemate, the > > shelter director, brought in a beautiful little girl > who'd tested negative. > > we didn't know to retest back then, and didn't. she > became symptomatic less > > than a year later. > > > > as far as i know, there are no cases of an actually > negative cat (tested > > twice) who has been vaccinated ever becoming positive > from living with > > positives. don't blame yourself for something that you > probably DIDN'T do. > > > > MC > > > > -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > > > MaryChristine > > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue > (www.purebredcats.org) > > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2751 - Release > Date: 03/16/10 19:33:00 > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
WHEN MY SINUSES ACT UP, THE FIRST THING I TAKE IS l-lYSINE AND 1000 UNITS OF C. ALL THE DOCTOR'S ANTIBIOTICS DO NOT WORK. THE VIRUS I THINK HAS MUTATED AND IS NOW IMMUNE TO THEM. DORLIS wendy wrote: > Sally, > > I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. > This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg > of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I > know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's > family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, > and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value > of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting > conversations here debating that fact. > > :) > Wendy > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change > the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret > Meade ~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
And I do a nasal saline spray (Ayr) since the netti pot and I don't agree. Also, warm salt water gargle. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: wendy Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell WHEN MY SINUSES ACT UP, THE FIRST THING I TAKE IS l-lYSINE AND 1000 UNITS OF C. ALL THE DOCTOR'S ANTIBIOTICS DO NOT WORK. THE VIRUS I THINK HAS MUTATED AND IS NOW IMMUNE TO THEM. DORLIS wendy wrote: > Sally, > > I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. > This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg > of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I > know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's > family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, > and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value > of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting > conversations here debating that fact. > > :) > Wendy > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change > the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret > Meade ~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
Amy, This vet is either flat out lying or isn't using it correctly. It is very rare but a cat can have a reaction and that reaction is that it wouldn't help and the HCT would continue to go down, in some cases this is because the dose isn't high enough, a few kitties need higher than the standard dose. But of course the vets freak out and assume the cat is having a reaction. So many vets are terrified of this drug and it doesn't make sense, basically if it isn't working you would be right back where you started. It is documented that about 10% to 30% of cats would fall into this category and of those it takes 5 months or longer of use for this to happen. I know many, many people who have used it and only know of one cat that is was suspected had this happen and I honestly don't think that was the problem, I think that cat wasn't getting a high enough dose. Most of these cats are CRF but a few aren't and were anemic because of cancer or something else. I've told Bailey's story more than once, he was positive, he became anemic and once his HCT got to 20%, I decided to try epogen, I think he was barely regenerative but honestly it has been so long I can't remember. He did not have kidney disease. By the time we got the epogen in it took a few days, he had gone to 18% and once we started it went down to 15%, it took about 6 weeks to get his HCT to 40% which is a little quicker than you would like but he was fine and his HCT was still normal at 33%, 34% 5 months later when he died of pancreatic cancer. You do have to monitor the blood pressure because it can go high, Bailey's did the opposite and got low but we had no problems with the epogen. My vet has used it several times with FeLV+ cats and had luck with it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
