Re: [Felvtalk] Never mind on sanctuary
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Never mind on sanctuary > > I just saw that Second Chance Meow is in Nevada-- since we are in NJ, that is not practical anyway! > > Does anyone know of anywhere reputable in or near NJ? Best Little Cat House in PA will not work-- visited it last year and they are very overwhelmed and cats do not last long there. Drove 3 hours to bring a cat and returned with the cat (luckily the cat found a home 2 months later!). Does anyone know of any others? Hi Michelle, Have you looked into Angel's Gate in Delhi, NY? http://www.angelsgate.org/theanimals.htm Joey Carbone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] the more i find out the more confused i become
i am new here. too many archives for me to read. just trying to read the ones that the topic caught my interest eventually overwhelmed me. my heart goes out to all of you who have had losses here. somewhere on the internet (i've been checkiong a lot of links about leukemia and taking notes) i read that there are 4 different possible reactions a cat will have form FELV exposure... immunity, infection,latency or immune carrier from my understanding, an ifa will detect infection and a pcr test will detect latency. do any of these or other tests detect immunity or immune carrier? how do you know if a cat has lymphoma? can you actually feel the enlarged glands on them? how do you know if a cat's bone marrow has been compromised? will this show up in bloodwork as a high or low count white blood cells? shouldn't a vet want to request you to make a future appointment if you bring in a cat with a urinary tract infection (complete blockage i was told) and the bloodwork comes back with a positive felv? or is sending the cat home with -oh my, i just checked the medicine to get the name of it, i thought it was for his uti but now i think it actually is for the felv. its baytril. .3ml a day. i guess i will have to find out if i am suppose to have them refill it when i run out. (you would think they would have told me. or else i just didn't hear it because i was still in complete disbelief and shock.) i have a lot more questions but don't have the time to think about what else i don't know. too many questions and when i google links and read info on one question, i end up with two more questions plus i get side tracked easily and end up on other links that are related to felv but not to what i was looking for and those usually leave me with even more questions. at least through what i did read in your archives, it doesn't seem all that uncommon for a cat that is strictly indoors (muilti cat home - 4 cats all indoors 24/7) to end up with felv even though all of them have previously tested negative or else their mother did when i got them as a kitten. although i appreciate your site and mailing, i wish i never had a reason to know it even existed. but i am sure most all, if not everyone, can say the same thing. p.s. if you are wondering why i am asking here instead of my vet... first of all i called my vet around noon and told them my cat had a urinary tract infection and wanted to get him seen before i have to leave for work which is 3:30. they told me they do surgeries during that time and to bring him in the following morning. there areat least two vets if not still three that work there. you would think one of them could see urgent patients during that time. so i called another vet clinic. that is where i took the cat. the vet who i spoke with when i brought the cat in was ok. i requested to see a vet when i picked the cat up several days later and that vet gave me the impression that she had other things more important to do than to talk to me and so i forgot what all i wanted to ask and decided perhaps the one and a half minute of her time i had already taken was more than she wanted to give so i gave up and left. if i make another appointment i will make sure that they give me the vet i saw the first time. however, i may look around for another vet. one other question... what good is a felv vaccine if it doesn't protect the cat against the disease? the way i see it, either it protects or it doesn't and apparently it doesn't or else there wouldn't be an issue as to felv+ cats being around vaccined felv- cats at rescues, sanctuaries or in the home. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] the more i find out the more confused i become
Wow! Is this my friend Twisted Princess or is there another Twisted Princess out there? If you are my friend I will answer your email shortly:) As far as your questions, I don't know the answers to all of them, but I can tell you that the FELV vaccine does protect against the virus but no vaccine is 100% effective just as in humans. If you don't feel your vet is 100% behind you get another vet. How an indoor cat can test positive: had your cat been tested and been negative before? If so I would not rule out the possibility it was a bad test (problem with the chemical or human error) . This has actually happened to me and it is scary. Recommendation is to get your baby retested and TRY not to freak out, I know it is hard, I was sooo scared when my kitten tested positive. But it was a false positive. Baytril is not for FELV. It is an antibiotic commonly used in treating urinary tract infections. There are treatment protocols on this site but it is very unlikely your vet has heard of them, unless he is a cat expert or FELV expert, and it does not sound like that is the case. I'm not experienced with lymphoma so I will let someone else take that subject. Blessings, Kelley On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Twisted Princess < twistedprinces...@yahoo.com> wrote: > i am new here. too many archives for me to read. just trying to read the > ones that the topic caught my interest eventually overwhelmed me. my heart > goes out to all of you who have had losses here. > somewhere on the internet (i've been checkiong a lot of links about > leukemia and taking notes) i read that there are 4 different possible > reactions a cat will have form FELV exposure... immunity, infection,latency > or immune carrier > from my understanding, an ifa will detect infection and a pcr test will > detect latency. do any of these or other tests detect immunity or immune > carrier? > how do you know if a cat has lymphoma? can you actually feel the enlarged > glands on them? how do you know if a cat's bone marrow has been compromised? > will this show up in bloodwork as a high or low count white blood cells? > shouldn't a vet want to request you to make a future appointment if you > bring in a cat with a urinary tract infection (complete blockage i was told) > and the bloodwork comes back with a positive felv? or is sending the cat > home with -oh my, i just checked the medicine to get the name of it, i > thought it was for his uti but now i think it actually is for the felv. its > baytril. .3ml a day. i guess i will have to find out if i am suppose to have > them refill it when i run out. (you would think they would have told me. or > else i just didn't hear it because i was still in complete disbelief and > shock.) > i have a lot more questions but don't have the time to think about what > else i don't know. too many questions and when i google links and read info > on one question, i end up with two more questions plus i get side tracked > easily and end up on other links that are related to felv but not to what i > was looking for and those usually leave me with even more questions. > at least through what i did read in your archives, it doesn't seem all that > uncommon for a cat that is strictly indoors (muilti cat home - 4 cats all > indoors 24/7) to end up with felv even though all of them have previously > tested negative or else their mother did when i got them as a kitten. > although i appreciate your site and mailing, i wish i never had a reason to > know it even existed. but i am sure most all, if not everyone, can say the > same thing. > p.s. if you are wondering why i am asking here instead of my vet... first > of all i called my vet around noon and told them my cat had a urinary tract > infection and wanted to get him seen before i have to leave for work which > is 3:30. they told me they do surgeries during that time and to bring him in > the following morning. there areat least two vets if not still three that > work there. you would think one of them could see urgent patients during > that time. so i called another vet clinic. that is where i took the cat. the > vet who i spoke with when i brought the cat in was ok. i requested to see a > vet when i picked the cat up several days later and that vet gave me the > impression that she had other things more important to do than to talk to me > and so i forgot what all i wanted to ask and decided perhaps the one and a > half minute of her time i had already taken was more than she wanted to give > so i gave up and left. if i make another appointment i will make > sure that they give me the vet i saw the first time. however, i may look > around for another vet. > > one other question... what good is a felv vaccine if it doesn't protect the > cat against the disease? the way i see it, either it protects or it doesn't > and apparently it doesn't or else there wouldn't be an issue as to felv+ > cats being around vaccined felv- cats at rescues, sanctuaries or in
[Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
hi, me again... i know you can't believe everything you read on the internet but i have read from several sources regarding b aytril can cause blindness. one person mention it will after 10 days. my vet has my cat on it. he gave me 4 ml and the dose is .3ml so that is nearly 2 weeks. i called the office and they said just give it to him until its gone. i called my regular vet who's office apparently has been told not they can not give an opinion that would be opposing another vet. any idea here? today (friday) is the 9th day he has been on the medicine - at least here. he may have been on it the 3 days he was at the vet, i don't know. the office person is suppose to get back to me to me as to whether our vet does the LTCI. the vet who treated the cat does not. anyone know of a good vet that does in the long beach california area? i don't drive freeways, i hardly drive at all so it basically has to be in long beach or within a few miles of long beach. and i guess the baytril is for the uti and not the felv. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
Baytril can cause blindness but it is a rare complication. I have had many cats on it and none has ever gone blind. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Twisted Princess < twistedprinces...@yahoo.com> wrote: > hi, me again... > > i know you can't believe everything you read on the internet but i have > read from several sources regarding b aytril can cause blindness. one person > mention it will after 10 days. my vet has my cat on it. he gave me 4 ml and > the dose is .3ml so that is nearly 2 weeks. i called the office and they > said just give it to him until its gone. > > i called my regular vet who's office apparently has been told not they can > not give an opinion that would be opposing another vet. any idea here? today > (friday) is the 9th day he has been on the medicine - at least here. he may > have been on it the 3 days he was at the vet, i don't know. > > the office person is suppose to get back to me to me as to whether our vet > does the LTCI. the vet who treated the cat does not. anyone know of a good > vet that does in the long beach california area? i don't drive freeways, i > hardly drive at all so it basically has to be in long beach or within a few > miles of long beach. > > and i guess the baytril is for the uti and not the felv. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] the more i find out the more confused i become
You've asked a lot of questions. Very common when you 1st get the news. Time to step back and take a deep breath. I don't know why you cat now tests positive. There is always the chance that the test was in error. 1st treat the UTI. Baytril is an abx for the UTI. Common Rx is for 10 days to 2 weeks. Give the entire amount prescribed by the vet. Find a vet who will communicate with you, who is willing to be a partner in developing a treatment plan for your cat. I've encountered similar problems with vets writing off my positive cats. They feel they cat has a death warrant so why spend money treating them. I've lost 4 babies before they were 1 yr old. I've lost one rescue who was about 2. I currently have 3 rescues who are almost 3 and one kitten. Max, who is 7 months. In addition to the FeLV Max has developed wet FIP. I know I'll only have him a short period of time. I vaccinate my negatives and mix my cats. Some keep theirs separated. It is a personal preference. There is no right or wrong when loving and caring for a positive kitty. The key is to love them. feed them the best food you can, and keep their stress level as low as possible. Slow down. Do your research. You kitty isn't going to die today or tomorrow from FeLV. Love him, care for him and treasure each day you have together. Sharyl --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Twisted Princess wrote: > From: Twisted Princess > Subject: [Felvtalk] the more i find out the more confused i become > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 3:31 PM > i am new here. too many archives for > me to read. just trying to read the ones that the topic > caught my interest eventually overwhelmed me. my heart goes > out to all of you who have had losses here. > somewhere on the internet (i've been checkiong a lot of > links about leukemia and taking notes) i read that there are > 4 different possible reactions a cat will have form FELV > exposure... immunity, infection,latency or immune carrier > from my understanding, an ifa will detect infection and a > pcr test will detect latency. do any of these or other tests > detect immunity or immune carrier? > how do you know if a cat has lymphoma? can you actually > feel the enlarged glands on them? how do you know if a cat's > bone marrow has been compromised? will this show up in > bloodwork as a high or low count white blood cells? > shouldn't a vet want to request you to make a future > appointment if you bring in a cat with a urinary tract > infection (complete blockage i was told) and the bloodwork > comes back with a positive felv? or is sending the cat home > with -oh my, i just checked the medicine to get the name of > it, i thought it was for his uti but now i think it actually > is for the felv. its baytril. .3ml a day. i guess i will > have to find out if i am suppose to have them refill it when > i run out. (you would think they would have told me. or else > i just didn't hear it because i was still in complete > disbelief and shock.) > i have a lot more questions but don't have the time to > think about what else i don't know. too many questions and > when i google links and read info on one question, i end up > with two more questions plus i get side tracked easily and > end up on other links that are related to felv but not to > what i was looking for and those usually leave me with even > more questions. > at least through what i did read in your archives, it > doesn't seem all that uncommon for a cat that is strictly > indoors (muilti cat home - 4 cats all indoors 24/7) to end > up with felv even though all of them have previously tested > negative or else their mother did when i got them as a > kitten. > although i appreciate your site and mailing, i wish i never > had a reason to know it even existed. but i am sure most > all, if not everyone, can say the same thing. > p.s. if you are wondering why i am asking here instead of > my vet... first of all i called my vet around noon and told > them my cat had a urinary tract infection and wanted to get > him seen before i have to leave for work which is 3:30. they > told me they do surgeries during that time and to bring him > in the following morning. there areat least two vets if not > still three that work there. you would think one of them > could see urgent patients during that time. so i called > another vet clinic. that is where i took the cat. the vet > who i spoke with when i brought the cat in was ok. i > requested to see a vet when i picked the cat up several days > later and that vet gave me the impression that she had other > things more important to do than to talk to me and so i > forgot what all i wanted to ask and decided perhaps the one > and a half minute of her time i had already taken was more > than she wanted to give so i gave up and left. if i make > another appointment i will make > sure that they give me the vet i saw the first time. > however, i may look around for another
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Laura, I'm so sorry to hear about your Bridget. I hope that you realize that you did not kill her. Your guilt is normal, but not founded. She was lucky to have you loving and caring so well for her. Again, I'm very sorry you lost her. I pray for healing and comfort for you. Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: LauraM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 3:45:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know whether I killed my cat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
OK, what is your name and what is your cat;s name. It helps me keep people straight. You will want to bookmark this site http://www.marvistavet.com/html/enrofloxacin.html This is was it says about Baytril and blindness. "Retinal damage has been seen in cats when higher doses (such as might be used to treat a Pseudomonas ear infection) are used. This reaction is not common even with very high doses, but there is no way to predict which cats will react. Blindness, temporary or permanent, can result. This reaction has only been reported with enrofloxacin and not with other fluoroquinolones, as it is theorized that the biochemical structure of enrofloxacin leads to especially high concentrations in the feline eye (in other words, this reaction is theoretically possible with any fluoroquinolones but enrofloxacin is especially predisposed to causing this reaction)." Yes blindness has occurred but in very high doses. That is not what you are dealing with. Sharyl --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Twisted Princess wrote: > From: Twisted Princess > Subject: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 6:30 PM > hi, me again... > > i know you can't believe everything you read on the > internet but i have read from several sources regarding b > aytril can cause blindness. one person mention it will > after 10 days. my vet has my cat on it. he gave me 4 ml and > the dose is .3ml so that is nearly 2 weeks. i called the > office and they said just give it to him until its gone. > > i called my regular vet who's office apparently has been > told not they can not give an opinion that would be opposing > another vet. any idea here? today (friday) is the 9th day he > has been on the medicine - at least here. he may have been > on it the 3 days he was at the vet, i don't know. > > the office person is suppose to get back to me to me as to > whether our vet does the LTCI. the vet who treated the cat > does not. anyone know of a good vet that does in the long > beach california area? i don't drive freeways, i hardly > drive at all so it basically has to be in long beach or > within a few miles of long beach. > > and i guess the baytril is for the uti and not the felv. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] some comfort
Wow...is all I can say. That brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing. Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: LauraM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 9:10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] some comfort I think I mentioned a few days ago that I would be speaking with an animal communicator about Bridget. That happened tonight. I do feel better. I'd been so upset about my decision to have her spayed in spite of my apprehension, but he said he felt she had a weak immune system, perhaps liver problems, and the body she had wouldn't have lasted long. He said the vet did give her too much anesthesia - it was the standard amount for a cat her size, but it was just too much for her because she had some underlying problems. It was interesting. He said she'd been part of a litter with other cats who looked very much like her (very true) and who had the same problem (her brother died in September). He did say that he didn't see Chutney or the other cats around her, even though he knew that I had had other cats who had passed. This is where it gets strange. He said, "She's showing me a whole lot of other cats and says you just got two more cats." (yes, the FeLV+ cat from Smyrna and one from work who tested positive for FIV so I just kept him.) These cats came just a few days ago. He said, be prepared, she says more cats will be coming. He wanted to know if I worked in rescue, and I do work at a shelter. I asked him if she said anything about other animals, and he said she was talking about a medium sized, very noisy black dog (she kept saying "I heard the dog") who hadn't been around for very long (I just got that dog back in early January). That's a dog who would always jump up at her when I let the dogs into the house, and she's the noisiest damn dog ever. And he said she kept mentioning a farm and some other sort of animal, but he wasn't sure what. I don't have farm animals but I do have a ton of turtles who spend winters in the garage with the positive cats & summers outdoors. That might be what he was referring to. I asked him whether she liked where she was buried. He said, "She says it's a memorial garden with flowers and a big oak tree, and she's with others." Very true! And the strangest thing: I wondered if she was still around, and he said, "You have a very big, comfortable bed with a very soft burgundy or wine colored throw on it, and that's where she is." And yes - it's a thick, double fleece wine colored big blanket, and it's always on the bed, and the cats and the dogs love it as much as I do. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
Frankie did go blind. He had lots of baytril as a kitten when the vet was treating asthma as an URI. It's the high doses that are the concern. You might do a google search. My vet tells me he had the lower doses but he had repeated doses. His blindness could be the baytril or genetic. No one can tell me for sure. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril Baytril can cause blindness but it is a rare complication. I have had many cats on it and none has ever gone blind. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Twisted Princess < twistedprinces...@yahoo.com> wrote: > hi, me again... > > i know you can't believe everything you read on the internet but i have > read from several sources regarding b aytril can cause blindness. one person > mention it will after 10 days. my vet has my cat on it. he gave me 4 ml and > the dose is .3ml so that is nearly 2 weeks. i called the office and they > said just give it to him until its gone. > > i called my regular vet who's office apparently has been told not they can > not give an opinion that would be opposing another vet. any idea here? today > (friday) is the 9th day he has been on the medicine - at least here. he may > have been on it the 3 days he was at the vet, i don't know. > > the office person is suppose to get back to me to me as to whether our vet > does the LTCI. the vet who treated the cat does not. anyone know of a good > vet that does in the long beach california area? i don't drive freeways, i > hardly drive at all so it basically has to be in long beach or within a few > miles of long beach. > > and i guess the baytril is for the uti and not the felv. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take them first as long as you leave me alone". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
