Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Yaay for Oliver! Feline acne, especially in cats with some white fur is not serious. I usually use a flea comb on their chin or other parts to remove the crud. Then I use a very mild baby soap to gently wash the area, rinse it with wet wash cloth and pat it dry. I do this until the acne finally goes away. Sometimes it returns and I have to do it again. I think the cause is grease from the cat food getting on their fur and clogging their pores. Some of my calicos, or white or tabby and white cats used to get it. I have one cat who gets it quite frequently. It's fortunate that she's a sweety and doesn't resent my washing her chin fur. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia test. He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was likely just another virus. We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation. Thanks for the all the replies with advice. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT President
Right! Anyone taking office after George W. Bush would have three strikes against him. What a mess Bush left. On 10-09, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes. Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face cause acne. Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you Oliver. I can relate to the kitty acne. I had a big orange white boy who had it but it did not last too long. I took the same steps that Lee described. Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:08:56 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Thanks for the responses. Just a note, we already use a metal water bowl, although when he was sick a few weeks back we added a ceramic bowl in our bedroom. We have now eliminated that one and will see if that helps. Don and Oliver On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia test. He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was likely just another virus. We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation. Thanks for the all the replies with advice. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
I heard that too. Plastic can do it.I also read in Joey's Green book to: wash the area with ivory soap.Also, apply Fruit of the Earth Aloe Vera.I use paper,metal,ceramic dishes. Sometimes plastic gets used too.Cathy Bronx N Y From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes. Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face cause acne. Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you Oliver. I can relate to the kitty acne. I had a big orange white boy who had it but it did not last too long. I took the same steps that Lee described. Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:08:56 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session. We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal. It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true like the supposed war on women. Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things anyway. But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the inner circle. I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them. Just kidding - well kind of. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct! Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V. Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to mention a few. An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do not meddle in people's bedrooms! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Conner Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt. Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this group is the following: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
Thank you, Maureen. You said it better than I would have. (And I want to publicly thank James the list owner for asking that this OT thread stop.) I'm here for the critters -- even though I no longer have any FeLV+ cats. I've been a member here since 1998. I don't want to have to leave the list. Terri B, Trenton, NJ =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Maureen Olveymailto:molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session. We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal. It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true like the supposed war on women. Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things anyway. But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the inner circle. I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them. Just kidding - well kind of. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct! Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V. Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to mention a few. An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do not meddle in people's bedrooms! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Conner Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt. Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this group is the following: ___ Felvtalk mailing
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live in a very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable here. I'll try on line. Lorrie On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote: I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too. L ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
I don't post very often but had to put my 2 cents in on this topic. I think if more people would vote for the person they think would do the best job instead of getting hung up on the party this country would be a heck of alot better. I have voted for Republicans and Democrats for President. I don't agree with getting on here and bashing another party. I really don't think this is the forum for politics. Cindy Reasoner --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AM I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session. We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal. It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true like the supposed war on women. Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things anyway. But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the inner circle. I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them. Just kidding - well kind of. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct! Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V. Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to mention a few. An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do not meddle in people's bedrooms! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Conner Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt. Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this group is the following: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any candidate horrible names! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I don't post very often but had to put my 2 cents in on this topic. I think if more people would vote for the person they think would do the best job instead of getting hung up on the party this country would be a heck of alot better. I have voted for Republicans and Democrats for President. I don't agree with getting on here and bashing another party. I really don't think this is the forum for politics. Cindy Reasoner --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AM I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session. We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal. It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true like the supposed war on women. Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things anyway. But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the inner circle. I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them. Just kidding - well kind of. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct! Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V. Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to mention a few. An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do not meddle in people's bedrooms! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover from, and that was with Congress more or less working together. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Conner Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] President Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt. Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any worse. That is my 2 cents! Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived
Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island
Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of yearlings to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit about treatment of young cats that came up positive. I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I am working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg - it sucks - why are the sweetest ones always pos?! Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every one of them is a love. Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island
Hey, I'll forward this to Neighborhood cats,the do TNR in N Y. If it helps I can take one.CAthy ,in th Bronx N Y From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of yearlings to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit about treatment of young cats that came up positive. I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I am working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg - it sucks - why are the sweetest ones always pos?! Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every one of them is a love. Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
But some of the statements about the platform itself were incorrect. So the platform was presented unfairly in some cases and that can be very annoying too. Maybe more so than actually bashing the candidate. Not that you or anyone else intentionally said things about the platform which were incorrect. There are things I've heard about the Democratic platform that I'm sure aren't true so it does happen but it's hard to debate in this forum. It would just generate a whole bunch of other discussions that wouldn't go anywhere because getting to the truth regarding politics just doesn't happen. Truth and politics are two words that should never be used in the same sentence. Also, I worry that if a person with a FeLV + cat joined the group right this minute and heard all this talk about the Republican platform and he/she happened to be a Republican it would be hard for them to stay on the list and get information that might help the cat. Just seems fruitless and possibly detrimental to continue the discussions. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:10:16 -0400 From: g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any candidate horrible names! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I don't post very often but had to put my 2 cents in on this topic. I think if more people would vote for the person they think would do the best job instead of getting hung up on the party this country would be a heck of alot better. I have voted for Republicans and Democrats for President. I don't agree with getting on here and bashing another party. I really don't think this is the forum for politics. Cindy Reasoner --- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AMI really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session. We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal. It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true like the supposed war on women. Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things anyway. But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the inner circle. I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them. Just kidding - well kind of. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct! Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V. Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to mention a few. An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US
[Felvtalk] OT: President
Although this IS off topic in one way, as I said before, we do not live in a bubble and when, thankfully there are no cats whose caregivers are in dire need of FeLv advice, we should be allowed to wander off topic for a while. Maybe we should begin our off topic discussions with the disclaimer - Since there are no caregivers needing advice with a dire problem at this time, let's discuss... For the most part, given the inflammatory nature of this particular election, I think we have been more than courteous and polite both to the candidates and to each other. I for one NEVER brought into the discussion anything but what the candidates are saying and how I feel about what they are offering. I never personally met Mr. Romney or Mr. Ryan or President Obama or Vice President Biden so I can't say whether or not I personally like any of them. But I can understand how each of their platforms would impact my life and my ability to care for my cats. That's really all that matters to me. If Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse were running, it wouldn't matter as long as each had a platform that I could evaluate and either accept or reject. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: President
Why is this continuing? Did James not make it clear that this topic was inappropriate in this forum? Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:20 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: President Although this IS off topic in one way, as I said before, we do not live in a bubble and when, thankfully there are no cats whose caregivers are in dire need of FeLv advice, we should be allowed to wander off topic for a while. Maybe we should begin our off topic discussions with the disclaimer - Since there are no caregivers needing advice with a dire problem at this time, let's discuss... For the most part, given the inflammatory nature of this particular election, I think we have been more than courteous and polite both to the candidates and to each other. I for one NEVER brought into the discussion anything but what the candidates are saying and how I feel about what they are offering. I never personally met Mr. Romney or Mr. Ryan or President Obama or Vice President Biden so I can't say whether or not I personally like any of them. But I can understand how each of their platforms would impact my life and my ability to care for my cats. That's really all that matters to me. If Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse were running, it wouldn't matter as long as each had a platform that I could evaluate and either accept or reject. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island
I could post your plea on the Animal SOS Alert – I don’t know anyone personally since I am in CT, but it might help. The last 2 paragraphs would do. There’s a large number of groups and individual rescuers who participate in this network. This also happens to be a rally bad time with cold weather approaching when truly needy cats need to be taken off the streets right now! Let me know if you would like me to do it and if yo u would like to add anything to it. Would you like to list your telephone number, too? Natalie From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of yearlings to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit about treatment of young cats that came up positive. I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I am working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg - it sucks - why are the sweetest ones always pos?! Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every one of them is a love. Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Hi Edna You must have a sensitive nose. I don’t smell it when the urine hits the clumping pine. I truly love this cat litter and so do my fur-boys, thank goodness. It really has improved immensely. I just wish Petsmart would not store it on the top shelf. The box is almost twice as heavy as it was before they improved it (I purchase the clumping litter – not the hard pellets in the bag). I hope you and your fur-kids like it just as well, Lorrie. Whatever works for all our fur-babies, right?! L From: Edna Taylor Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live in a very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable here. I'll try on line. Lorrie On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote: I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too. L ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org wlEmoticon-smile[1].png___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists
Hey all, I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists
Loud and Clear. Thank you! And I too hope you don't have to suspend this very valuable resource! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists Hey all, I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics toappropriate lists
AMEN, thanks James! -Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics toappropriate lists Loud and Clear. Thank you! And I too hope you don't have to suspend this very valuable resource! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists Hey all, I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists
I agree with you James! All the years I've been on/in this list I've never seen anything like this. It got to the point I had to delete many emails. This is for the FELV kitties and related kitty stuff! TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topicsto appropriate listsFrom: "James G Wilson" phaed...@charter.netDate: Wed, October 10, 2012 5:29 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHey all,I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Kind regards.James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.nethttp://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support)http://www.facebook.com/crambonehttp://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL)___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists
Thank you James. Sally aka puttyrat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
