Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists

2012-10-10 Thread Sally Davis 
Thank you James.

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Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists

2012-10-10 Thread terrie 
I agree with you James!
All the years I've been on/in this list I've never seen anything like this. It got to the point I had to delete many emails. 
This is for the FELV kitties and related kitty stuff!

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 Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topicsto appropriate listsFrom: "James G Wilson" Date: Wed, October 10, 2012 5:29 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgHey all,I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Kind regards.James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.nethttp://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support)http://www.facebook.com/crambonehttp://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL)___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics toappropriate lists

2012-10-10 Thread Lynda Wilson 

AMEN, thanks James!

-Original Message- 
From: Bonnie Hogue

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics 
toappropriate lists


Loud and Clear.  Thank you!
And I too hope you don't have to suspend this very valuable resource!
Bonnie

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
James G Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to
appropriate lists

Hey all,

I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and
support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox,
etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these
other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I
would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring
their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here.
But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the
continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to
continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your
consideration and cooperation. Kind regards.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support)
http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville,
IL)


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Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists

2012-10-10 Thread Bonnie Hogue 
Loud and Clear.  Thank you!
And I too hope you don't have to suspend this very valuable resource!
Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
James G Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to
appropriate lists

Hey all,

I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and
support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox,
etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these
other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I
would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring
their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here.
But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the
continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to
continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your
consideration and cooperation. Kind regards.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support)
http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville,
IL)


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[Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists

2012-10-10 Thread James G Wilson 
Hey all,

I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, 
treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a 
politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a 
well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these 
other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics 
are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list 
because some want to ignore or bring their own 
interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting 
here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only 
way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will 
have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations 
after being asked to stop. Thank you for your 
consideration and cooperation. Kind regards.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support)
http://www.facebook.com/crambone
http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL)


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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-10 Thread Lynda Wilson 
Hi Edna 

You must have a sensitive nose. I don’t smell it when the urine hits the 
clumping pine. I truly love this cat litter and so do my fur-boys, thank 
goodness. It really has improved immensely.  I just wish Petsmart would not 
store it on the top shelf. The box is almost twice as heavy as it was before 
they improved it (I purchase the clumping litter – not the hard pellets in the 
bag).

I hope you and your fur-kids like it just as well, Lorrie.

Whatever works for all our fur-babies, right?!

L

From: Edna Taylor 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

I am glad some can use the pine litter.  I couldn't stand the smell once it 
interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU.  I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells.  Hence the scoopable clay litter ;)
 

> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
> 
> This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable
> litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked
> wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live
> in a very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable
> here. I'll try on line.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote:
> > I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet 
> > in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves 
> > less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too.
> > 
> > L
> > 
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[Felvtalk] FW: Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island

2012-10-10 Thread Natalie 
I could post your plea on the Animal SOS Alert – I don’t know anyone personally 
since I am in CT, but it might help.  The last 2 paragraphs would do.  There’s 
a large number of groups and individual rescuers who participate in this 
network.  This also happens to be a rally bad time with cold weather 
approaching when truly needy cats need to be taken off the streets right now!  
Let me know if you would like me to do it and if yo u would like to add 
anything to it. Would you like to list your telephone number, too?

Natalie

 

From: Amanda Vollaro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY 
on Long Island

 

 

Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of yearlings 
to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit about 
treatment of young cats that came up positive. 

 

I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I am 
working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg  - it sucks - 
why are the sweetest ones always pos?! 

 

Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm 
dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal 
Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster 
parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are 
loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are 
all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every 
one of them is a love. 

 

Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and 
could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of 
the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. 


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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: President

2012-10-10 Thread Beth 
Why is this continuing? Did James not make it clear that this topic was 
inappropriate in this forum?


 
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 From: Lee Evans 
To: felvtalk  
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: President
 

Although this IS off topic in one way, as I said before, we do not live 
in a bubble and when, thankfully there are no cats whose caregivers are 
in dire need of FeLv advice, we should be allowed to wander off topic 
for a while.  Maybe we should begin our off topic discussions with the 
disclaimer - "Since there are no caregivers needing advice with a dire 
problem at this time, let's discuss..." 

For the most part, given
 the inflammatory nature of this particular election, I think we have 
been more than courteous and polite both to the candidates and to each 
other. I for one NEVER brought into the discussion anything but what the
 candidates are saying and how I feel about what they are offering.  I 
never personally met Mr. Romney or Mr. Ryan or President Obama or Vice 
President Biden so I can't say whether or not I
 personally like any of them.  But I can understand how each of their 
platforms would impact my life and my ability to care for my cats.  
That's really all that matters to me.  If Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse 
were running, it wouldn't matter as long as each had a platform that I 
could evaluate and either accept or reject.


 
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[Felvtalk] OT: President

2012-10-10 Thread Lee Evans 

Although this IS off topic in one way, as I said before, we do not live 
in a bubble and when, thankfully there are no cats whose caregivers are 
in dire need of FeLv advice, we should be allowed to wander off topic 
for a while.  Maybe we should begin our off topic discussions with the 
disclaimer - "Since there are no caregivers needing advice with a dire 
problem at this time, let's discuss..." 

For the most part, given
 the inflammatory nature of this particular election, I think we have 
been more than courteous and polite both to the candidates and to each 
other. I for one NEVER brought into the discussion anything but what the
 candidates are saying and how I feel about what they are offering.  I 
never personally met Mr. Romney or Mr. Ryan or President Obama or Vice 
President Biden so I can't say whether or not I
 personally like any of them.  But I can understand how each of their 
platforms would impact my life and my ability to care for my cats.  
That's really all that matters to me.  If Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse 
were running, it wouldn't matter as long as each had a platform that I 
could evaluate and either accept or reject.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

2012-10-10 Thread Maureen Olvey 

But some of the statements about the platform itself were incorrect.  So the 
platform was presented unfairly in some cases and that can be very annoying 
too.  Maybe more so than actually bashing the candidate.  Not that you or 
anyone else intentionally said things about the platform which were incorrect.  
There are things I've heard about the Democratic platform that I'm sure aren't 
true so it does happen but it's hard to debate in this forum.  It would just 
generate a whole bunch of other discussions that wouldn't go 
anywhere because getting to the truth regarding politics just doesn't happen.  
Truth and politics are two words that should never be used in the same 
sentence.  Also, I worry that if a person with a FeLV + cat joined the group 
right this minute and heard all this talk about the Republican platform and 
he/she happened to be a Republican it would be hard for them to stay on the 
list and get information that might help the cat.  Just seems fruitless and 
possibly detrimental to continue the discussions.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:10:16 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic:   President

I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a 
platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any 
candidate horrible names!  From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I don't post very often but had to 
put my 2 cents in on this topic.  I think if more people would vote for the 
person they think would do the best job instead of getting hung up on the party 
this country would be a heck of alot better.  I have voted for Republicans and 
Democrats for President.  I don't agree with getting on here and bashing 
another party.   I really don't think this is the forum for politics.  Cindy 
Reasoner

--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
From: Maureen Olvey 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AMI really think this discussion has 
turned to a Republican bashing session.  We Republicans disagree with almost 
everything you guys have said but there's no point of getting into it because 
no amount of discussion will change your mind.  And that's okay because that's 
what makes America great - we can disagree without feeling the threat of 
reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the Democratic views and what things you 
believe but some things are just not true like the supposed "war on women."  
Mitt and Paul do not have the complete authority to do some of the things 
mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go along with these kinds of things 
anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what you believe, I just don't think 
we can intelligently debate all the facts when we are not in the "inner 
circle."  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing you guys have said will 
make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will never change your minds 
about Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and 
trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding - well kind of.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain> 
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
> 
> Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
> Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
> Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
> numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
> Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt "personhood" which will
> make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
> promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
> people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
> pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
> of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
> mention a few.
> An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
> Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even
> though m

Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island

2012-10-10 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA 
Hey, I'll forward this to Neighborhood cats,the do TNR in N Y. If it helps I 
can take one.CAthy ,in th Bronx N Y


From: Amanda Vollaro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY 
on Long Island


 
Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of yearlings 
to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit about 
treatment of young cats that came up positive. 
 
I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I 
am working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg  - it sucks 
- why are the sweetest ones always pos?! 
 
Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm 
dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal 
Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster 
parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are 
loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are 
all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every 
one of them is a love. 
 
Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and 
could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of 
the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Searching For Foster People / No Kill / Rescues in NY on Long Island

2012-10-10 Thread Amanda Vollaro 
Hey all, I've been a lurker here for quite a while - lost a batch of yearlings 
to FeLV about a year ago, and your advice has taught me quite a bit about 
treatment of young cats that came up positive. 

I've been lucky in that most of my kitten rescues turned out negative, but I am 
working with several who are pos and will probably never go neg  - it sucks - 
why are the sweetest ones always pos?! 

Anyway, I've become overwhelmed with the sheer number of kitties that I'm 
dealing with (24) and even though I've been working with The Brookhaven Animal 
Alliance to get them all fixed, I'm at my wits end. I'm trying to find foster 
parents for at least six little darling 7 month old ragdoll kittens. Some are 
loners and can go on their own, others could be paired for comfort...they are 
all indoor-outdoor cats (they have a kitty-run on my deck outside) and every 
one of them is a love. 

Does anyone know of anybody doing fostering in my area (Suffolk County) and 
could you please let me know their contact info? I have tried asking some of 
the gals that I know, and they are booked up solid. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

2012-10-10 Thread GRAS 
I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a 
platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any 
candidate horrible names!

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy 
reasoner
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

 


I don't post very often but had to put my 2 cents in on this topic.  I think if 
more people would vote for the person they think would do the best job instead 
of getting hung up on the party this country would be a heck of alot better.  I 
have voted for Republicans and Democrats for President.  I don't agree with 
getting on here and bashing another party.   I really don't think this is the 
forum for politics.

 

 

Cindy Reasoner

--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey  wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AM

I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session.  We 
Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no 
point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. 
 And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree 
without feeling the threat of reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the 
Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true 
like the supposed "war on women."  Mitt and Paul do not have the complete 
authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go 
along with these kinds of things anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what 
you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when 
we are not in the "inner circle."  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing 
you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will 
never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else 
like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding 
- well kind of.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
> 
> Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
> Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
> Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
> numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
> Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt "personhood" which will
> make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
> promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
> people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
> pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
> of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
> mention a few.
> An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
> Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even
> though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do
> not meddle in people's bedrooms!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Diane Rosenfeldt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
> the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
> that his predecessor did, and the "new person" is from that same party and
> has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
> read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
> from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
> 
> Diane R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lisa Conner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past
> 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt.
> Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of
> our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
> worse. That is my 2 cents!
> 
> Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined
> because of losing my cat, P

Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

2012-10-10 Thread cindy reasoner 
I don't post very often but had to put my 2 cents in on this topic.  I think if 
more people would vote for the person they think would do the best job instead 
of getting hung up on the party this country would be a heck of alot better.  I 
have voted for Republicans and Democrats for President.  I don't agree with 
getting on here and bashing another party.   I really don't think this is the 
forum for politics.
 
 
Cindy Reasoner

--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey  wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AM






I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session.  We 
Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no 
point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your 
mind.  And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can 
disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the 
Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true 
like the supposed "war on women."  Mitt and Paul do not have the complete 
authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go 
along with these kinds of things anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what 
you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when 
we are not in the "inner circle."  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing 
you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will 
never change your minds about
 Republicans so let's talk about something else like animal abusers and trying 
to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding - well kind of.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
> 
> Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
> Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
> Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
> numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
> Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt "personhood" which will
> make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
> promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
> people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
> pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
> of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
> mention a few.
> An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
> Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even
> though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do
> not meddle in people's bedrooms!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Diane Rosenfeldt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
> the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
> that his predecessor did, and the "new person" is from that same party and
> has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
> read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
> from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
> 
> Diane R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lisa Conner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past
> 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt.
> Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of
> our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
> worse. That is my 2 cents!
> 
> Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined
> because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy
> life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this
> group is the following:
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-10 Thread Edna Taylor 

I am glad some can use the pine litter.  I couldn't stand the smell once it 
interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU.  I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells.  Hence the scoopable clay litter ;)
 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400
> From: felineres...@frontier.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
> 
> This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable
> litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked
> wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho.  The problem is we now live
> in a very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable
> here.  I'll try on line.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote:
> > I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet 
> > in my opinion).  It has improved immensely!  It clumps better and leaves 
> > less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too.
> > 
> > L
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

2012-10-10 Thread Terri Brown 
Thank you, Maureen.  You said it better than I would have. (And I want to 
publicly thank James the list owner for asking that this OT thread stop.)

I'm here for the critters -- even though I no longer have any FeLV+ cats.  I've 
been a member here since 1998.  I don't want to have to leave the list.

Terri B, Trenton, NJ

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
=^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olvey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President


  I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session.  
We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's 
no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your 
mind.  And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can 
disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the 
Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true 
like the supposed "war on women."  Mitt and Paul do not have the complete 
authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go 
along with these kinds of things anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what 
you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when 
we are not in the "inner circle."  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing 
you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will 
never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else 
like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding 
- well kind of.  

  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


  > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
  > From: at...@optonline.net
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
  > 
  > Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
  > Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
  > Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
  > numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
  > Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt "personhood" which will
  > make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
  > promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
  > people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
  > pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
  > of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
  > mention a few.
  > An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
  > Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even
  > though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do
  > not meddle in people's bedrooms!
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
  > Diane Rosenfeldt
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
  > 
  > Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
  > the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
  > that his predecessor did, and the "new person" is from that same party and
  > has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
  > read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
  > from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
  > 
  > Diane R.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
  > Lisa Conner
  > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > Subject: [Felvtalk] President
  > 
  > Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past
  > 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt.
  > Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of
  > our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
  > worse. That is my 2 cents!
  > 
  > Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined
  > because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy
  > life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this
  > group is the following:
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >

Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

2012-10-10 Thread Maureen Olvey 

I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session.  We 
Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no 
point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. 
 And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree 
without feeling the threat of reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the 
Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true 
like the supposed "war on women."  Mitt and Paul do not have the complete 
authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go 
along with these kinds of things anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what 
you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when 
we are not in the "inner circle."  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing 
you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will 
never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else 
like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding 
- well kind of.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic:   President
> 
> Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
> Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
> Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
> numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
> Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt "personhood" which will
> make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
> promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
> people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
> pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
> of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
> mention a few.
> An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
> Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics!  Even
> though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do
> not meddle in people's bedrooms!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Diane Rosenfeldt
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
> the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
> that his predecessor did, and the "new person" is from that same party and
> has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
> read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
> from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
> 
> Diane R.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lisa Conner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] President
> 
> Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:)   If we have the past
> 4 yours as the next 4 years,  there will be a mass revolt.
> Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country,  the division of
> our country,  we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
> worse.  That is my 2 cents!
> 
> Now , back to our Felv + kitties.  I am fairly new to this group and joined
> because of losing my cat, Prancer.  He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy
> life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him.  So my two questions to this
> group is the following:
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA 
I heard that too. Plastic can do it.I also read in Joey's Green book to: wash 
the area with ivory soap.Also, apply Fruit of the Earth 
Aloe Vera.I use paper,metal,ceramic dishes. Sometimes plastic gets used 
too.Cathy Bronx N Y

From: Christiane Biagi 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes.
Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face &
cause acne.  Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly...

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longhornf...@verizon.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you & Oliver. I can relate to the kitty
acne. I had a big orange & white boy who had it but it did not last too
long. I took the same steps that Lee described.

Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread Don 
Thanks for the responses.  Just a note, we already use a metal water bowl,
although when he was sick a few weeks back we added a ceramic bowl in our
bedroom.  We have now eliminated that one and will see if that helps.
Don and Oliver

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Don  wrote:

> Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on
> his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia
> test.  He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test
> we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was
> likely just another virus.  We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests
> were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation.
> Thanks for the all the replies with advice.
> Don and Oliver
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don  wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>> Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
>> last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had
>> been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15
>> this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm
>> to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a
>> virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell
>> count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature).
>> He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it
>> out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
>> test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
>> news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
>> FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
>> but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
>> the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
>> he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
>> symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see
>> much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the
>> blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next
>> week.
>> Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
>> weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
>> losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
>> but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.
>>
>> Here are my questions:
>> 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
>> (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
>> they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
>> have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
>> water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
>> 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
>> become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
>> have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way
>> he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
>> 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
>> etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
>> this just a false hope.
>> 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
>> treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
>> although there appear to be no major side effects.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Don and Oliver
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread Christiane Biagi 
Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes.
Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face &
cause acne.  Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly...

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you & Oliver. I can relate to the kitty
acne. I had a big orange & white boy who had it but it did not last too
long. I took the same steps that Lee described.

Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread Maryam Ulomi 
So happy for you and Oliver
I'm retesting Kitty in the next few weeks, I'm scared to death, so I'm dragging 
my feet!

Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 10, 2012, at 8:10, longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:

> Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you & Oliver. I can relate to the kitty 
> acne. I had a big orange & white boy who had it but it did not last too long. 
> I took the same steps that Lee described.
> 
> Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :)
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> Sender: "Felvtalk" 
> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:08:56 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-10-10 Thread longhornfans 
Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you & Oliver. I can relate to the kitty acne. 
I had a big orange & white boy who had it but it did not last too long. I took 
the same steps that Lee described.

Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :)
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT President

2012-10-10 Thread Lorrie 
Right!  Anyone taking office after George W. Bush would have
three strikes against him.  What a mess Bush left.  

On 10-09, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
> Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
> the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
> that his predecessor did, and the "new person" is from that same party and
> has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
> read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
> from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
> 
> Diane R.
> 

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