RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
As already mentioned via several of our members, and I have to agree, not all fungi will glow under a Wood's Black Lamp/Light. Cats CAN have skin/hair fungi infections that do NOT put off a neon yellowish or greenish glow. Just because neither you nor your vet cannot see a glow does NOT imply that the cat is fungus free. The only way to 100% rule out ANY fungus infection is via a hair CULTURE. Hair cultures are NOT the same thing as a skin/hair SCRAPPING. Furthermore, Ringworm is NOT the only fungus infection that cats can contract (although it is the most common.) Unfortunately, cats can also contract Athlete's Foot and Jock Itch, both in which are cousin fungi to Ringworm. Back in February 2005 I had firsthand knowledge as to the chaos and frustration that a ringworm outbreak can create. The veterinarian prescribed an oral medication called Fulvin a.k.a. Griseofulvin. A prescription of sixty (60) capsules cost me literally $60.00 dollars. The medication has two (2) drawbacks. One (1) it is hard on the liver (ANY anti-fungal medication is hard on the liver) and two (2) the medication MUST be given a minimum of thirty (30) days. Therefore, even if it appears that the fungus is gone, keep the cats on the meds! It takes approximately thirty (30) days (sometimes longer depending on the severity of the epidemic) for the fungi spores to die. Also, I bought Omega-3 Fish Oil 1200mg (EPA 216mg DHA 144mg) to help aid with the itchy skin and/or coat. Each of my kids got one (1) WHOLE gel-cap daily. I neither pierced the gel-cap and squirted the oil onto their food nor into their mouth. Each of my kids swallowed one (1) entire gel-cap whole EVERY day. This particular regimen was administered to thirteen (13) FeLV negative cats for OVER two (2) months. Since 02-11-05 I have had two (2) separate hair CULTURES sent to a diagnostic laboratory (samples from two (2) different cats) and have gone through hundreds of dollars on Fulvin a.k.a. Griseofulvin. The end result now virtually a full year later? Both of the cultures have came back negative! It appears that my kids have never had ringworm to begin with, but were prescribed a medication via a veterinarian as a precautionary method. A medication that can cause liver damage! (Not to mention hundreds of dollars needlessly wasted.) Now on top of completing the other eleven (11) hair cultures (for piece of mind) I need to have Complete Chemistry Feline Health Panels (blood-work) drawn up on EACH cat to obtain current liver and kidney values which will confirm if ANY damage has been done to those organs! Which means MORE money will be spent before this situation has been successfully resolved! Therefore, be extremely careful when searching for a successful treatment on ANY fungi infections! ALWAYS do a culture FIRST! Then IF the results come back positive treat with proper medication. Chronic continued use of ANY drug that is hard on an organ can render it useless and can eventually kill it. A cat without a liver WILL die. All thirteen (13) of my kids are still living and breathing! Hopefully my terrible experience can help save someone else from being misguided down the same damned and dangerous path! Good luck! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Ringworm
Ringworm in humans generally doesn't present as spots. It will generally look like circles under your skin and can itch. Drove me mad itching i thought it was prickly heat. The iodiene did stop the spores spreading from Bramble to Minstrel and Buddy though - they didn't get it and they are in close contact. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Introduction
Thank you everyone for your very kind welcome, and for taking time to offer suggestions. I feel better already! My main focus right now is the little orange guy, Cotton. I don't want to treat him as if he isn't going to be with us for a long time. I would like to see him eventually neutered (he's maybe...8 months old) and most importantly would like to see some of his underlying health issues taken care of so he feels better and has every chance to fight for his life. Despite feeding him all he wants (and he wants!) he seems thin and small for his age to me. He's done better since he's been with us, but all I know about his history is that he was runty and his mother was a small cat. Sincerely, Sandy C.
Re: Introduction
Sandy, my baby C God rest his soul never grew to adult size. He stayed tiny he was born positive and lived to be 2 1/2.
Re: Question on diarrhea (homeopathics)
Lucy seems to be better today. I will keep you posted. I started mixing slippery elm and a kaolin powder for cats (like kaopectate but for cats) with warm water into a gel-like paste and giving her about a spoonful 3 times/day plus once a day an acidophilus pill. I also gave her some W/D wet food, which is supposed to be easy on the digestive system. I hesitate to say the diarrhea is all gone, but it seems like it is or almost is. I will let you know for sure tonight. Keep in mind this was simple diarrhea from a change of diet and antibiotics for too long, so this remedy probably would not work for diarrhea caused by IBD. Though slippery elm paste a few times a day did control the diarrhea of my cat Josephine who had intestinal lymphoma 3 years ago. Michelle In a message dated 10/31/2005 8:56:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: another thought: my alternative vet uses apple pectin and my regular vets use Metamucilunflavored. Both have worked for my critters. - Original Message -
Re: Introduction
Hi Sandy, I hope this post finds you in better spirits than yesterday. I first want to say hello to a fellow Texan. I lived in Houston for a few years and my parents and brothers have lived there for years until recently. The great thing about living in the big city of Houston is that you shouldn't have any trouble finding a different vet. That's the second thing: I think you need to find a vet that is willing to work with you regarding your little furballs, not one that immediately recommends euthanasia. This will do wonders to give you hope. Find one you are comfortable with by calling and actually asking to speak to the vet. Tell him your situation and see what he says. I have learned these past few weeks that you can tell a lot about a vet that way. Thirdly, I practically drove myself crazy these past few weeks learning about FeLV and trying to decipher on the Internet what is good info. and what isn't. Not to mention deciphering what the vets say. There are so many different opinions. We all read just about everywhere that FeLV can be passed via saliva/grooming/food and water dishes/and litter boxes. But one of my vets told me last week that that has never been proved by the veterinary community, which I was shocked to hear him say. He said the only way they know for sure is through blood, kind of like the AIDS virus, which would mean a cat fight or birth. My Cricket got it from his mother at birth I believe, because she died of it and she was only two years old. Cricket is almost 4 1/2. So I don't know what to think about a lot of the information that is out there. But one thing is for sure: if you let it, it can be OVERWHELMING, depending on your personality. If you're an information seeker like me, don't stress yourself out too much doing research, because a lot of it is negative. I was convinced Cricket was doomed and getting VERY depressed myself, but come to find out yesterday, things may not be so bleak, at least for right now. So yes, educate and encourage yourself, and the people here are wonderful in helping with that, but take it easy. Like Nina says, we do all we can do, and the rest is up to our little furballs and the powers that be. Also, please don't beat yourself up with guilt. Anytime I get angry about anything, I have to ask myself if what was done was intentional. 99% of the time it's not, and therefore, I adjust my thinking accordingly. You would NEVER intentionally hurt your kitties, and probably would go into practically a murderous rage like the rest of us here if you saw someone who was. So cut yourself some slack, and fight off that guilt (which by the way is a good way for the devil to get his little fingers into your life and try to make things harder than they already are). Also, a lot of vets don't recommend vaccinations for FeLV for totally indoor cats so you weren't wrong there. I hadn't vaccinated mine because they've lived indoors all their lives. It never dawned on me that a kitten could be born with it. Hope this info. helps. Email me anytime you need to talk. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
Just curious: How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or via birth). I am interested to hear what the results will be. Thanks! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Second test
I wrote a message here some time ago about an FeLV positive cat a friend had rescued (now called Bungle). He's been doing really well, he's had a course of feline omega interferon which appears to have helped. He's eating really well now, has put on weight and his coat is so glossy. As recommended by several people here, he's going back for a re-test this afternoon. The blood will be sent off to Glasgow University for the test, rather than the in-house ELISA one - the vet agreed this was a sensible thing to do. Fingers crossed he's shifted the virus! He's such a happy cat, I'm so pleased the vet didn't suggest euthanasia (not that we'd have done it anyway - but it makes it easier when the vets on your side). I'll let you know the results when they come back. Thanks for all the encouragement. Sue
Importation of drugs
Does anyone know what the FDA regs are on importing drugs for veterinary use? I have recently read an article about a study done on FIV+ cats in Italy and they used the natural interferon alpha and found it to be much more effective than the recombinant version. The study also referred to another test done with FeLV+ cats with similar results. I was given a link to a company that imports the natural interferon and it is quite reasonably priced at a box of five,3 million unit vials for $350. The companies rep is not aware of what FDA regs there might be for vet use. You can import a 3 month supply for your personal use but I assume this requires you to fill out paperwork about your condition, etc., and probably a Rx. Gary
RE: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil
Hi, Michelle, though I have not confirmed scientifically whether the kittens and the mother have ringworm (black lights were all sold out due to Halloween yesterday at stores) - I am pretty sure that's what they have - Because I have a couple of circle red spots on me none of other kitties have them yet --- one of the vet suggested that I use Lamasil?? I also bought blue star ointment and did not mention that it was anti-fungal and wanted to make sure that I got the right thing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:53 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Ringworm Ringworm in humans generally doesn't present as spots. It will generally look like circles under your skin and can itch. Drove me mad itching i thought it was prickly heat. The iodiene did stop the spores spreading from Bramble to Minstrel and Buddy though - they didn't get it and they are in close contact. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
Will iodine actually cure the problem, or just stops itching.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens My daughter really suffers cuase she is allergic to the blue star too so she uses iodine and benedryl for the itch
Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?
Hi Everyone, I just wanted to thank you all again for your kind words of support. My mother has taken Emilio and Frito's mommy, and she's named her Lady. Lady tested negative for FeLv, but we're worried that she might test positive once the virus has had a chance to incubate (again??). She's very healthy and alert, and probably no more than 2 years old, so we're hoping no matter what the outcome of the test, she'll have a long life. A recap/update of the situation: Emilio tested positive for the virus; on both the screening and the official test (Hardy test??). Frito was not able to be tested because she was whipped into a frenzy with the vet. Everyone has told me that since they are so tight and share bowls, groom, play together, that we should assume that Frito is also positive. Emilio is congested, but for the most part, not too plugged up. He is alert and playful and both he and his sister have become very outgoing in the weeks they've been separated from their mommy. I have so many doubts and reservations, but we'll be sending Emilio and Frito to The Best Little Cat House in Pennsylvania this weekend. I doubt myself constantly about Frito, in particular...what if she is negative? or what if she's positive, but one of those who carries, rather than gets sick from the virus? Am I doing the right thing?? We have five healthy cats in the house, but if I didn't, I would keep these kittens...my cats aren't vaccinated - and now I have to wait because they need to be retestedoi! What a mess this became, gut-wrenching and stressful. It's given me a whole new respect for the folks who work at the shelters; as well as for what y'all are doing. So many times, professionals just recommend euthanasia, and while, intellectually, I can understand (to a degree), I just can't do it, and I'm so glad that so many of you are giving your FeLv + babies a chance. The more of us who do, the more likely a cure will be found, I think. I hope. So, it's in that hope for a cure that I was brainstorming for a fundraising idea, and wanted to run it by everyone here. First of all, is there are good research scientist/institution who might be underfunded who could continue researching a cure, with more money? Or would any money be better off going to a shelter/hospice for sick kitties? I'm a freelance graphic artist and my mother is a watercolor painter; we were planning to collaborate to make a set of handmade Christmas cards with Emilio and Frito on them to sell...we'd donate all of the proceeds to a good feline leukemia cause (research or shelter). Do you think the idea will fly? Any good sales avenues to pursue? Craft shows? Online groups? Animal organizations? I was also thinking about other non-holiday merchandise, like calendars, regular greeting cards, etc. maybe with images of other felv+ kitties. I would be willing to work with any of you here -- if you wanted to send me photos of your kitties, help me promote the items, etc. Emilio and Frito's situation and all of your stories have touched me, and in many cases, broken my heart. I cried for hours after reading Mandy's story! I am learning about my own limitations, and I'm not sure if I have it in me to continue to do much in the way of hands-on stuff with the cats in my neighborhood, though I will try (it's getting cold and no one else helps them). In the meantime, I am committed to continuing to help in other areas, like fundraising. Please let me know what you think. Chrissy Trenton, NJ www.ottseetotsee.com
Re: Importation of drugs
Are you talking about interferon omega, also called Feline Interferon or Virbagen Omega? A few of us have imported that, and we have all the forms in electronic version, and Nina's vet has put together a packet she sends out to anyone interested. Basically, the vet needs to send an application to the FDA for special dispensation. The FDA then takes a month or two to approve it, sends the approval to the vet, and the vet sends that to Abbey Vet in England with the order. Michelle In a message dated 11/1/2005 10:58:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know what the FDA regs are on importing drugs for veterinary use? I have recently read an article about a study done on FIV+ cats in Italy and they used the natural interferon alpha and found it to be much more effective than the recombinant version. The study also referred to another test done with FeLV+ cats with similar results. I was given a link to a company that imports the natural interferon and it is quite reasonably priced at a box of five,3 million unit vials for $350. The companies rep is not aware of what FDA regs there might be for vet use. You can import a 3 month supply for your personal use but I assume this requires you to fill out paperwork about your condition, etc., and probably a Rx. Gary
Re: help needed--problem with subQ
Kerry, There are different kinds of fluid bags, I know because I go to two different vets and get fluids from both (one is the vet school because I see a specialist there). I suggest calling your vet's office and talk to a tech. On Fu's bag, which I can see from here, there is a sort of rubber stopper at the bottom through which I inject air; other bags have a little spout like projections covered with rubber through which you can put a needle. Your vet techs can also tell you how to deal with fluids bags where the sides stick together and make it difficult to see how much you've given. I've been doing fluids for several cats for years - sometime if I can't see the fluid line, I'll just judge by how fast the fluid is going in and then I'll decide whether to do two or three minutes. I try this before I inject air into the bag. As for the old Ringer bags you mentioned in your other post, remember to check the expiration date. And after a bag has been opened, you only want to use it for no more than 10-14 days. Best wishes to you and Pookie, Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2005 0:25 am Subject: Re: help needed--problem with subQ To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Thanks Bonnie---which bit is the medicine port--is it the hole at the bottom of the bag (once the bag's unsealed) that you put the hose in? Do i take the hose back out to put the air in--won't the fluid pour out then? Oh dear! Kerry - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: Re: help needed--problem with subQ Kerry, This is what the vet techs who work for my vet do. They get a clean syringe and put a needle on the end. Then they inject air into the bag via the medicine port. As a nurse on the CRF list objected to this, thinking of humans no doubt, I asked the vet school pharmacist who she said it was OK as the fluids were just going under the skin. But I would just inject one syringe full of air into the bag if thats enough to help you see the water line. If you have to do it a second time, I'd use a new needle. If the syringe has been used before, I'd wash it thoroughly and rinse with very hot water. Does this help? Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:48 pm Subject: help needed--problem with subQ Hi all I've just started a new bag to give Pookie his fluids--and I can't tell on this bag where the discernible water level is! I actually let some go down the sink in an effort to find the level and that didn't work. I've neverstarted a new bag before (I'm still fumbling my way around subQs) and I can't believe this is happening. Luckily Pookie seems ok, but i need to figure out fast what to do. Has anyone come across this--any idea how to fix?! Kerry
Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?
Contact the Marley Fund in NC. They are an organization devoted solely to raising money for research on FeLV and for finding homes for FeLV+ cats (they have a very small shelter). They have a website. They do all different kinds of fundraising and I am sure would love your help. Seems better, probably, than reinventing the wheel. Michelle
Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil
I have tried lamasil and always go back to blue star
Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
iodine seems very slow but works..
Re: Introduction
Sandy C: Greetings from yet another fellow Houstonian (what area? we are east side). High quality food and immune boosting supplements will go a long way towards giving Cotton the fuel he needs to gain weight and strength. As you are already seeing - this is a great list full of members with years and years of experience all willing to share. We personally have been caring for leuk positives (and mixing with vaccinated negative cats) for over 20 years. The sameinformation that was available to us back then is still circulating on the internet as current and many vets are still giving caregiversthe test results with a death sentence for the cat. Thankfully, there are some vets who are listening to their clients and clients who are refusing to take pts as the only option (and we are sharing information on lists like these), so many more cats are getting a chance for a longer life. Sadly, in our 20 years we have lost very young kittens, but we have also had many who lived 10 or more years. I think it is wonderful that youare one of the ones who didn't listentothe vet and are willing to do all you can for Cotton. Feeding himthe best food you can afford and adding the various supplements mentioned, will go a long ways towards giving him what he needs to become strong and healthy. -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
I have had 2 positive cats among a household of 13 and none of the other cats have contracted FeLV! One of my positives did pass away in June and the other was just re-tested and confirmed to now be negative! Chris -- Original message -- Just curious: How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or via birth). I am interested to hear what the results will be. Thanks! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?
Chrissy, Just because one tests positive does NOT mean that another will, even littermates. I rescued 6, 2 1/2 week old kittens that I am sure contracted felv from their momma. One of the kittens from that litter, Tim, (now 2 yrs), has tested negative. I'm sorry to hear you are giving up loved ones for adoption because you fear for your negatives, it's so sad! I do understand your fears, I'm not even saying they aren't warranted, it's just a shame that these babies aren't going to share their lives in a home where we KNOW they will be loved and cared for. When I learned that my bottle babies were positive, there was no choice for me, I was in love and committed to them. They had already been mixed with my negatives, (none of my negatives, who were adults and had been vaccinated, ever became positive). They weren't going anywhere, and I wasn't about to segregate them from the family. I wish you the best, and I especially pray that Emilio and Frito find a loving compassionate home. Nina Christine Ott wrote: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to thank you all again for your kind words of support. My mother has taken Emilio and Frito's mommy, and she's named her Lady. Lady tested negative for FeLv, but we're worried that she might test positive once the virus has had a chance to incubate (again??). She's very healthy and alert, and probably no more than 2 years old, so we're hoping no matter what the outcome of the test, she'll have a long life. A recap/update of the situation: Emilio tested positive for the virus; on both the screening and the official test (Hardy test??). Frito was not able to be tested because she was whipped into a frenzy with the vet. Everyone has told me that since they are so tight and share bowls, groom, play together, that we should assume that Frito is also positive. Emilio is congested, but for the most part, not too plugged up. He is alert and playful and both he and his sister have become very outgoing in the weeks they've been separated from their mommy. I have so many doubts and reservations, but we'll be sending Emilio and Frito to The Best Little Cat House in Pennsylvania this weekend. I doubt myself constantly about Frito, in particular...what if she is negative? or what if she's positive, but one of those who carries, rather than gets sick from the virus? Am I doing the right thing?? We have five healthy cats in the house, but if I didn't, I would keep these kittens...my cats aren't vaccinated - and now I have to wait because they need to be retestedoi! What a mess this became, gut-wrenching and stressful. It's given me a whole new respect for the folks who work at the shelters; as well as for what y'all are doing. So many times, professionals just recommend euthanasia, and while, intellectually, I can understand (to a degree), I just can't do it, and I'm so glad that so many of you are giving your FeLv + babies a chance. The more of us who do, the more likely a cure will be found, I think. I hope. So, it's in that hope for a cure that I was brainstorming for a fundraising idea, and wanted to run it by everyone here. First of all, is there are good research scientist/institution who might be underfunded who could continue researching a cure, with more money? Or would any money be better off going to a shelter/hospice for sick kitties? I'm a freelance graphic artist and my mother is a watercolor painter; we were planning to collaborate to make a set of handmade Christmas cards with Emilio and Frito on them to sell...we'd donate all of the proceeds to a good feline leukemia cause (research or shelter). Do you think the idea will fly? Any good sales avenues to pursue? Craft shows? Online groups? Animal organizations? I was also thinking about other non-holiday merchandise, like calendars, regular greeting cards, etc. maybe with images of other felv+ kitties. I would be willing to work with any of you here -- if you wanted to send me photos of your kitties, help me promote the items, etc. Emilio and Frito's situation and all of your stories have touched me, and in many cases, broken my heart. I cried for hours after reading Mandy's story! I am learning about my own limitations, and I'm not sure if I have it in me to continue to do much in the way of hands-on stuff with the cats in my neighborhood, though I will try (it's getting cold and no one else helps them). In the meantime, I am committed to continuing to help in other areas, like fundraising. Please let me know what you think. Chrissy Trenton, NJ www.ottseetotsee.com
Re: Importation of drugs
No, this in Interferon Alpha but is is natural interferon made from live donors, not the Interferon alpha that you can buy here which is made with recombinant cells. The recombinant is made from only one strain of cells and the natural stuff is made from numerous donors. It seems to work a broad spectrum antibiotic. It also had a positive effect on lymphocyte depletion which recombinant interferon does not. I could attach a copy of if the list allows attachments (176kb pdf file) or I could send it to you directly if you are interested. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Importation of drugs Are you talking about interferon omega, also called Feline Interferon or Virbagen Omega? A few of us have imported that, and we have all the forms in electronic version, and Nina's vet has put together a packet she sends out to anyone interested. Basically, the vet needs to send an application to the FDA for special dispensation. The FDA then takes a month or two to approve it, sends the approval to the vet, and the vet sends that to Abbey Vet in England with the order. Michelle
Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens
Iodine has cured my ringworm several times (don't know where I got it, but none of my cats had it then nor got it from me) but this time it must be a different strain as it helped but did not cure the RW. Lamisil can work ... again this strain it didn't budge itmuch. I've used a variety of things on myself and it improves without staying gone. Del - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens Will iodine actually cure the problem, or just stops itching.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:19 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens My daughter really suffers cuase she is allergic to the blue star too so she uses iodine and benedryl for the itch
Iodiene
Iodiene just helps to stop the fungal spores from spreading. It doesn't have any therapeutic effect but I think just the fact it is cold from the fridge that gives a little soothing effect for them. It is also good for preventing secondary bacterial infection (like bacterial folliculitis) setting in over the top of ringworm. Bramble had both, bless him. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
Another one - fantastic vet!
I've just spoken to my friend Mary who's just got back from the vets for the re-test. She hadn't told me another of the cats that she'd rescued from the same house was ill. She'd had her to a different vet yesterday because she had a terrible mouth ulcer and was running a temperature. The FeLV test came back positive and the vet was all set to kill poor Daisy. Anyway, Mary decided she couldn't do it as Daisy was still eating and washappy in herself, and so took her home. She took Daisy to our usual vet, Sonia, today. Mary told her what had been said, so Sonia checked her mouth, said she'd seen worse and that if Daisy was still eating and enjoyed having her tummy tickled so much she thought it was worth a bash! Out came the interferon, poor Mary has gone home armed with antibiotics, more needles and more interferon, but a living cat! It may not work but it has to be worth trying and I so admire Sonia for wanting to give it a go. Makes me realize whyI choose her totreat all my own cats when they're ill (including my FIV boy Eric who has an interferon injection every 3 weeks and is as fit as can be). Sorry to go on, but I wanted to sing the praises of this vet to people who know what we're going through. Sue
Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?
Chrissy, I think the Christmas cards are a great idea! In the way of research, a place to start might be the Veterinary Department at Texas AM University. It's the only vet school in Texas so I think the majority of veterinarians in Texas go to school there and I believe it has a great research facility. Also from felineleukemia.com, I see that Auburn University does research (a vet there created the FeLV vaccine), as well as the University of Washington, University of Southern California, Cornell, and University of Pittsburg. There are only 27 veterinary schools in the U.S. and I think they might be the best place to start. I bet if you sent out a blanket letter to each of them, you'd find that there are several doing research. I have seen some research online and in book form from Cornell. For the record, I would definitely be interested in buying the cards when they come out since the money will be going to a great cause. And since I know several veterinarians in our city, I might be able to get the cards there and sell them at their offices. I imagine there are a lot of us who would be willing to help you and your mom raise money for FeLV. I think the money would be better spent in research vs. shelters, considering that they don't know as much as they need to about the virus. Let me know what I can do to help! :) Wendy P.S. I have an adorable picture of Cricket's face (he's black with big yellow/green eyes) surrounded by red Christmas garland (taken after he had, of course, torn the whole Christmas tree apart-lol). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Importation of drugs
Gary, Thanks for the info. I didn't know you could import it for use in your own home. When you said personal use, I assume you meant for your cats? lol. I have read that the feline Interferon is much more effective. I tried to research how to get it, but it said it was only available in Europe and Japan. If you have any links to the actual ordering websites, I'd love to have them. Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
None of mine ever did this way. This is an interesting poll. I too would like to see the results. Thanks for bringing this up. In a message dated 11/1/2005 8:22:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just curious:How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt thatone of your cats contracted FeLV by coming intocontact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming,food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight orvia birth). I am interested to hear what the resultswill be. Thanks! Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
Sub Q fluids
I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
Awesome! Congratulations on your negative kitty! I am sorry to hear about your kitty that passed away in June. It's also good to know I'm not the only one with cats in the double digits! We have some inside and some outside. Never alone though! lol. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had 2 positive cats among a household of 13 and none of the other cats have contracted FeLV! One of my positives did pass away in June and the other was just re-tested and confirmed to now be negative! Chris -- Original message -- Just curious: How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or via birth). I am interested to hear what the results will be. Thanks! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Importation of drugs
Wendy, If you want to get the feline Interferon Omega, (apparently Gary is talking about something different here), you have to get a special dispensation from the FDA. My vet has made up a packet to help people's vets apply. I've sent the info to the list many times, if you are interested, let me know and I'll post it again. wendy wrote: Gary, Thanks for the info. I didn't know you could import it for use in your own home. When you said personal use, I assume you meant for your cats? lol. I have read that the feline Interferon is much more effective. I tried to research how to get it, but it said it was only available in Europe and Japan. If you have any links to the actual ordering websites, I'd love to have them. Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
I will send out the results when they are all in. Maybe one of these research facilities would be interested in the results of real FeLV kitty owners as well. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of mine ever did this way. This is an interesting poll. I too would like to see the results. Thanks for bringing this up. In a message dated 11/1/2005 8:22:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just curious: How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or via birth). I am interested to hear what the results will be. Thanks! Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Importation of drugs
Yes, I am definitely interested. Thanks Nina! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, If you want to get the feline Interferon Omega, (apparently Gary is talking about something different here), you have to get a special dispensation from the FDA. My vet has made up a packet to help people's vets apply. I've sent the info to the list many times, if you are interested, let me know and I'll post it again. wendy wrote: Gary, Thanks for the info. I didn't know you could import it for use in your own home. When you said personal use, I assume you meant for your cats? lol. I have read that the feline Interferon is much more effective. I tried to research how to get it, but it said it was only available in Europe and Japan. If you have any links to the actual ordering websites, I'd love to have them. Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Sub Q fluids
You've got it right. You use a bag for hydration, (not IV, IV means into the vein), because they need more fluid than what you could fit into a syringe. Once a cat that is dehydrated figures out how much better they feel after they get fluids, they usually settle down and accept the process, some even seem to enjoy it. wendy wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Sub Q fluids
Thanks Nina. I just called my vet because I'm taking Cricket in for another ImmunoRegulin injection today, and asked about subQ fluids. They said they could do it if he is dehydrated and it is not expensive. I would be very uncomfortable doing it, but I think Cricket could use the extra fluids. Thanks for the info.! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it right. You use a bag for hydration, (not IV, IV means into the vein), because they need more fluid than what you could fit into a syringe. Once a cat that is dehydrated figures out how much better they feel after they get fluids, they usually settle down and accept the process, some even seem to enjoy it. wendy wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Sub Q fluids-- 2 Qs
Ok guys, re my 1am Pookie problem (fluid level was not discernible in my new Ringer's bag so I cdn't proceed), a rescue/shelter volunteer I called this morning said I should unscrew the hose, open the bag up and let air in (don't feel dumb Wendy!). I did that and the fluid level magically appeared. (Q 1) BUT will this have caused any possible contamination problem??? (Q 2) I found another bag still ok date-wise to use, and attached a hose to it. Level IS visiblebut the fluid won't flow. Any idea what I'm doing wrong and how to fix? I know it must be simple but science was never my strong point. (Q3) Where is the medicine port on these bags? Is it where the orange cap sits? Or is it the bottom where the water flows out? Thanks for any info! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sub Q fluids I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Sub Q fluids
Wendy, believe me, if someone like me-- a technophobe with 10 thumbs--can do it (and I certainly haven't got it down yet--I go 2-3 needles most times) YOU can definitely do it. It sure saves $$$, especially when it's every other day. If it's a one-off though that Cricket needs, then yes, I would have the vet do it there and then. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sub Q fluids Thanks Nina. I just called my vet because I'm taking Cricket in for another ImmunoRegulin injection today, and asked about subQ fluids. They said they could do it if he is dehydrated and it is not expensive. I would be very uncomfortable doing it, but I think Cricket could use the extra fluids. Thanks for the info.! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it right. You use a bag for hydration, (not IV, IV means into the vein), because they need more fluid than what you could fit into a syringe. Once a cat that is dehydrated figures out how much better they feel after they get fluids, they usually settle down and accept the process, some even seem to enjoy it. wendy wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Sub Q fluids
How long do you have to do subQ for it to be effective? Is there usually an amount of days or weeks that it finally takes effect, or does it vary with every animal? I would do it (especially if it saves money), but only if I felt fully informed, you know? --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, believe me, if someone like me-- a technophobe with 10 thumbs--can do it (and I certainly haven't got it down yet--I go 2-3 needles most times) YOU can definitely do it. It sure saves $$$, especially when it's every other day. If it's a one-off though that Cricket needs, then yes, I would have the vet do it there and then. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sub Q fluids Thanks Nina. I just called my vet because I'm taking Cricket in for another ImmunoRegulin injection today, and asked about subQ fluids. They said they could do it if he is dehydrated and it is not expensive. I would be very uncomfortable doing it, but I think Cricket could use the extra fluids. Thanks for the info.! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it right. You use a bag for hydration, (not IV, IV means into the vein), because they need more fluid than what you could fit into a syringe. Once a cat that is dehydrated figures out how much better they feel after they get fluids, they usually settle down and accept the process, some even seem to enjoy it. wendy wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Laura's kitties, plus transmission not by fight or birth
Laura wasn't the one who left the two calico kittens at the vet's. She was adopting them out to Louise, and Louise, the adopter, took them to her own vet and left them (presumably because she had to go to work). The calico kittens were not euthanized without permission - Louise did call Laura and left her a message about them testing positive, but she didn't give her much time to call back before making the decisio to tell the vet to go ahead and euthanize. I am sure her decision was based on the fact that the vet said they'd have to be indoors since they were positive, and she only wanted outdoor kitties (not what we'd prefer but sometimes you have to take what you can get), and because the vet may ultimately have badgered her into believing it was for the best (she said he said the kittens were very sick - they actually had absolutely no symptoms yet). Some good news on Laura's kitties - we tested Poppy (ticked tabby and white, not pictured) and her calico daughter Rose (the 6-month-old calico with the spots/patches of color in the pix) and they are both NEGATIVE! This is interesting as all these kitties eat together and groom each other and many have nursed on each other's moms. So we have Buttercup, Poppy, Buttercup's kitten and Poppy's kitten all negative so far. This is odd, however, as Buttercup and Daffodil are sisters, and Daffodil is positive and Buttercup negative. Also, the two of them (and Violet) are the daughters of Pansy, who is Poppy's sister, and Poppy is negative but Pansy's daughter, the spotted tabby female, is positive (we haven't yet tested Pansy). I just tried to send a rather long message to Chris direct, but I don't understand the who is your outgoing/incoming server stuff that comes up when you do that so not sure if it went off or not - let me know if you didn't get it Chris, and I'll rewrite it (it was about transmission in large groups that I've had, and about donating to research). I think it is wonderful to want to donate to research, but as we pointed out to Joy of Marleyfund when she somehow got all our e-mail addresses and e-mailed everyone on the list when she first started her fund, most leuk research is done by DELIBERATELY INFECTING cats (usually specially-raised pathogen-free kittens). I don't think we want to fund anything that involves deliberately infecting any cats when there are so many that already have it. I would only support research with owners of cats already infected, like Dr. Diane Addy does with FIP. As far as non-fight, non-birth transmission is concerned, I think it would be more or less impossible to differentiate between transmission through a fight wound (bite or deep scratch) and transmission by ongoing interaction through saliva etc., but my Belle was born healthy to a health mother (mom twice tested negative with more than 90 days between tests and no other exposure of mom or kittens to other cats until Belle was adopted). Belle tested negative, too, as did all her siblings. Two are still living and healthy, but two died of FIP later (but weren't leuk positive). Belle went to live with someone who had another cat, 2-1/2 years old, that they said was leuk and FIV neg, up to date on shots and indoors. We found later that he wasn't indoors all the time, and although he had shots he may have missed a booster or not had two leuk vaccines within the appropriate time frame initially, and he may have been tested at a very young age and had leuk all along. We're not sure how he got leuk, but he became ill about 6 weeks after the adopter got Belle from me, tested positive, and although she tried to treat him she had to have him euthanized after a couple of months. In the meantime, he gave it to Belle, who was only 10 weeks old when she went to live with him. She had received her first leuk vaccine at 9 weeks, got her second one at 12 weeks and actually even received a third shot at 15 weeks because although she didn't absolutely need a third one I only had a combo shot available that day (I did all her shots and know that she got them and got them at the right time). Belle lived 5-1/2 years. I believe she got leukemia from Butler, the other cat, because at 10 weeks and with only one shot at that point she wasn't fully protected, and without an immune system of her own at that age, she was still very vulnerable. This is definitely a case of a kitty not getting it at birth. However, we can't say that she didn't get it through a fight. She never had an obvious bite-wound from Butler, but it is possible he could have popped her. I tend to think, however, that she got it from either mutual grooming or eating and drinking from the same bowls. -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
Re: Sub Q fluids-- 2 Qs
Hello My Dear, My you have your hands full with this learning curve! You and Pookie, (congratulations btw!), will figure all this out in no time and you'll be feeling like an old pro. I haven't had to administer subq fluids that often, so I don't know how much help I can be to you. I don't see how letting air into the bag should pose any contamination problems. With the fluid not flowing in the second bag, it could be that the hose is crimped, (maybe where the little roller thing is used to stop the flow), or you may not have vented the bag. The ones I've used have a stopper at the top of the bag (with a finger ring to pull it out), to allow air to flow into the bag while the fluid comes out. The medicine port should be attached to the hose, it sort of looks like a Y, you can inject vita, or subq meds into it so that you don't have to give your cat more than one injection. The orange cap that you describe sounds like the place on the bag itself where you can insert a needle to extract fluid into a large syringe to hydrate smaller animals and kittens that don't need as much fluid as a grown cat. One other thing that I've been warned about, when you insert the needle, don't do it directly over Pookie's spine, do it off to the side a little bit, that way if he rears up, there's no chance you'll insert it into his spine, and don't use the same spot on him over and over, vary it. Lastly, calm down when you go to give him his fluids. Put some calming music on, light a scented candle and go at it from a place of calm and certainty that this is going to make him feel better! Are you warming the bag of fluids beforehand? Run it under warm water and then test the fluids to make sure they're just right. I love you sweetie, you're stronger than you think! Someone else with more experience help us out here. Am I on the right track? Honestly, Kerry, if you have any doubts you should call one of your vets and have them go over all this with you, at least over the phone. You'll feel so much better if you know for a fact that you're doing everything right! Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Ok guys, re my 1am Pookie problem (fluid level was not discernible in my new Ringer's bag so I cdn't proceed), a rescue/shelter volunteer I called this morning said I should unscrew the hose, open the bag up and let air in (don't feel dumb Wendy!). I did that and the fluid level magically appeared. (Q 1) BUT will this have caused any possible contamination problem??? (Q 2) I found another bag still ok date-wise to use, and attached a hose to it. Level IS visiblebut the fluid won't flow. Any idea what I'm doing wrong and how to fix? I know it must be simple but science was never my strong point. (Q3) Where is the medicine port on these bags? Is it where the orange cap sits? Or is it the bottom where the water flows out? Thanks for any info! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sub Q fluids I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Sub Q fluids-- 2 Qs
Hi, Kerry, I don't mean to brag - but now, I have been giving my Hannibal fluid a couple of times a week several months now, and having been educated by lots of educated people from CRF group, I am a bit experience in giving a fluid -- As for your number 2) question, if the water still does not flow, take out a line from the bag and stick it back to the bag again, it happens to me a couple of times. I am sending a couple of links where it gives you tips as to how to give sub Q fluid and also CRF yahoo group - these people know everything about giving fluid - I am going to post your email to see if I can get you answers if it's different from mine... good luck my dear Kerry. http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/pets/cats/sophia/catjuice.ht ml http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#syringe_method [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sub Q fluids-- 2 Qs Hello My Dear, My you have your hands full with this learning curve! You and Pookie, (congratulations btw!), will figure all this out in no time and you'll be feeling like an old pro. I haven't had to administer subq fluids that often, so I don't know how much help I can be to you. I don't see how letting air into the bag should pose any contamination problems. With the fluid not flowing in the second bag, it could be that the hose is crimped, (maybe where the little roller thing is used to stop the flow), or you may not have vented the bag. The ones I've used have a stopper at the top of the bag (with a finger ring to pull it out), to allow air to flow into the bag while the fluid comes out. The medicine port should be attached to the hose, it sort of looks like a Y, you can inject vita, or subq meds into it so that you don't have to give your cat more than one injection. The orange cap that you describe sounds like the place on the bag itself where you can insert a needle to extract fluid into a large syringe to hydrate smaller animals and kittens that don't need as much fluid as a grown cat. One other thing that I've been warned about, when you insert the needle, don't do it directly over Pookie's spine, do it off to the side a little bit, that way if he rears up, there's no chance you'll insert it into his spine, and don't use the same spot on him over and over, vary it. Lastly, calm down when you go to give him his fluids. Put some calming music on, light a scented candle and go at it from a place of calm and certainty that this is going to make him feel better! Are you warming the bag of fluids beforehand? Run it under warm water and then test the fluids to make sure they're just right. I love you sweetie, you're stronger than you think! Someone else with more experience help us out here. Am I on the right track? Honestly, Kerry, if you have any doubts you should call one of your vets and have them go over all this with you, at least over the phone. You'll feel so much better if you know for a fact that you're doing everything right! Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Ok guys, re my 1am Pookie problem (fluid level was not discernible in my new Ringer's bag so I cdn't proceed), a rescue/shelter volunteer I called this morning said I should unscrew the hose, open the bag up and let air in (don't feel dumb Wendy!). I did that and the fluid level magically appeared. (Q 1) BUT will this have caused any possible contamination problem??? (Q 2) I found another bag still ok date-wise to use, and attached a hose to it. Level IS visiblebut the fluid won't flow. Any idea what I'm doing wrong and how to fix? I know it must be simple but science was never my strong point. (Q3) Where is the medicine port on these bags? Is it where the orange cap sits? Or is it the bottom where the water flows out? Thanks for any info! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sub Q fluids I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or
RE: Sub Q fluids
Wendy, I second to Kerry - I am the last person who can poke a cat with a needle - I usually almost faint when I see a needle.. now from the desperation to save my Hannibal's life, I have been giving and also have given Leo and others fluid sort of on going basis - not to mention, Hannibal is a very feral cat .. there is a trick to do depending on a type of cat.. I grab Hannibal in a big towel and put him in a carrier, and cover him with a towel and only showing the part to poke (side tummy for his case).. and he sits still.. CRF group suggest and I prefer to give LRS bags since it does not sting.. and I suggest Terumo 20 needles - it's much easier to poke than monoject needles - it only take 2 minutes or so to give 100 ml fluid and you don't want to give more .. But it will help.. some of my cats would not have survived without it.. Love, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Sub Q fluids How long do you have to do subQ for it to be effective? Is there usually an amount of days or weeks that it finally takes effect, or does it vary with every animal? I would do it (especially if it saves money), but only if I felt fully informed, you know? --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, believe me, if someone like me-- a technophobe with 10 thumbs--can do it (and I certainly haven't got it down yet--I go 2-3 needles most times) YOU can definitely do it. It sure saves $$$, especially when it's every other day. If it's a one-off though that Cricket needs, then yes, I would have the vet do it there and then. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sub Q fluids Thanks Nina. I just called my vet because I'm taking Cricket in for another ImmunoRegulin injection today, and asked about subQ fluids. They said they could do it if he is dehydrated and it is not expensive. I would be very uncomfortable doing it, but I think Cricket could use the extra fluids. Thanks for the info.! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it right. You use a bag for hydration, (not IV, IV means into the vein), because they need more fluid than what you could fit into a syringe. Once a cat that is dehydrated figures out how much better they feel after they get fluids, they usually settle down and accept the process, some even seem to enjoy it. wendy wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
positives and negatives
When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3. Re: Importation of drugs (Nina) 4. Re: Introduction (Mari Kolbe) 5. Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 6. Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea? (Nina) 7. Re: Importation of drugs (gary) 8. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens (Del Daniels) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:42 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have tried lamasil and always go back to blue star -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/a5c3915d/attachm ent.htm -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:16:47 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii iodine seems very slow but works.. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/20bec13b/attachm ent.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:35:49 -0800 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Importation of drugs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gary, My Internist's office has been very cooperative about helping me and others get special FDA compensations for Interferon Omega, (recombinant). If you give me more specifics, (the name of the drug and company that manufactures, or distributes it), I'd be happy to put in a call to my vet and ask them what they know. Nina gary wrote: Does anyone know what the FDA regs are on importing drugs for veterinary use? I have recently read an article about a study done on FIV+ cats in Italy and they used the natural interferon alpha and found it to be much more effective than the recombinant version. The study also referred to another test done with FeLV+ cats with similar results. I was given a link to a company that imports the natural interferon and it is quite reasonably priced at a box of five, 3 million unit vials for $350. The companies rep is not aware of what FDA regs there might be for vet use. You can import a 3 month supply for your personal use but I assume this requires you to fill out paperwork about your condition, etc., and probably a Rx. Gary -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/f9420857/attachm ent.htm -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:37:30 -0600 From: Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Introduction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sandy C: Greetings from yet another fellow Houstonian (what area? we are east side). High quality food and immune boosting supplements will go a long way towards giving Cotton the fuel he needs to gain weight and strength. As you are already seeing - this is a great list full of members with years and years of experience all willing to share. We personally have been caring for leuk positives (and mixing with vaccinated negative cats) for over 20 years. The same information that was available to us back then is still circulating on the internet as current and many vets are still giving caregivers the test results with a death sentence for the cat. Thankfully, there are some
RE: positives and negatives
GH! it just breaks my heart --- I can't stand it - the only hope is that they are now at a better place with no cruelty.. but still - it makes me so mad and so sad.. and I just can't deal with these things!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dudes Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:26 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: positives and negatives When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3. Re: Importation of drugs (Nina) 4. Re: Introduction (Mari Kolbe) 5. Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 6. Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea? (Nina) 7. Re: Importation of drugs (gary) 8. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens (Del Daniels) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:42 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have tried lamasil and always go back to blue star -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/a5c3915d/att achm ent.htm -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:16:47 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii iodine seems very slow but works.. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/20bec13b/att achm ent.htm -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:35:49 -0800 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Importation of drugs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gary, My Internist's office has been very cooperative about helping me and others get special FDA compensations for Interferon Omega, (recombinant). If you give me more specifics, (the name of the drug and company that manufactures, or distributes it), I'd be happy to put in a call to my vet and ask them what they know. Nina gary wrote: Does anyone know what the FDA regs are on importing drugs for veterinary use? I have recently read an article about a study done on FIV+ cats in Italy and they used the natural interferon alpha and found it to be much more effective than the recombinant version. The study also referred to another test done with FeLV+ cats with similar results. I was given a link to a company that imports the natural interferon and it is quite reasonably priced at a box of five, 3 million unit vials for $350. The companies rep is not aware of what FDA regs there might be for vet use. You can import a 3 month supply for your personal use but I assume this requires you to fill out paperwork about your condition, etc., and probably a Rx. Gary -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/f9420857/att achm ent.htm -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:37:30 -0600 From: Mari Kolbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Introduction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sandy C: Greetings from yet another fellow Houstonian (what area? we are east side). High quality food and immune boosting supplements will go a long way towards giving Cotton
Re: positives and negatives
OH MY GOD!!! That is total bullsh*t! Sorry if I offended anyone but that is unnecessary! Oh that makes me blood boil when I hear these stories. I'm so glad you changed Vets! Thank and Bless You too! In a message dated 11/1/2005 2:20:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orangeCotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found onewho was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, theyeuthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to findanother vet for my cats!Sandy Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
Re: positives and negatives
Ladies, I think a letter writing campain is necessary.if sandy wishes to give up the name and address..this vet should be shot
Re: RE: Sub Q fluids-- 2 Qs
Ok guys, re my 1am Pookie problem (fluid level was not discernible in my new Ringer's bag so I cdn't proceed), a rescue/shelter volunteer I called this morning said I should unscrew the hose, open the bag up and let air in (don't feel dumb Wendy!). I did that and the fluid levelmagically appeared. (Q 1) BUT will this have caused any possible contamination problem??? just as long as it wasn't open too long bonnie
RE: positives and negatives
Absolutely.. if I did not have all the cats to take care of .. I would shoot this vet myself to honor the lives of these babies who were killed by him/her.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: positives and negatives Ladies, I think a letter writing campain is necessary.if sandy wishes to give up the name and address..this vet should be shot
Re: positives and negatives
I agree that this vet needs some serious education, but I try not to burn bridges, as much as I would like to. This might be a goodopportunity to save more cats fromher ill advice.She will definitely not get any more of my business, and I will certainly tell her why. And I have a big family of fuzzies, with 4 cats and two senior dogs. That would hit her where it really hurts. :) Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: positives and negatives Ladies, I think a letter writing campain is necessary.if sandy wishes to give up the name and address..this vet should be shot
Re: positives and negatives
Hi Sandy sorry to come off that way our bark is worse than our bite. When I write letters they are very professional and I never tell them I want to shoot themits just venting... I have been doing rescue for 20 years and find I dislike people in general more and more... I just got finished reading a story about a pit that was sexually molested in CA. after reading that you dont want to hear about a "healer" that kills. I apologize if I offended youits the NYer in me..
Re: positives and negatives
It's such a shame what some vets do. I kind of hope you told them why. Gloria On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Dudes wrote: When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 ...
Re: Importation of drugs
Michelle,I ordered the paper last week, and this natural human ifn (Alfaferone) usesseveral human IFN-a subtypes, including IFN-a1, a2, -a8 and -a21It is reminiscent of some of the earlier studies on FeLV FIVthat usedeither a natural interferon (was then referred to as a 'Cantell' type), or a or hybrid containing IFN A/D subtypes in the late 80's, early 90's. In one of the papers I ordered (several years ago), there were 2 cats that seroconverted from both FIV FeLV. One of the cats had nonregenerative anemia and seroconverted after 90 days of alternate-week treatment and the other had chronic nonrefractory dermatomycosis and had complete resolution of symptoms and later seroconverted to both viruses. If you do a search on "Kemron interferon", it may be of interest. PubMed's good, too.Itcertainly, at least in this study,looks "promising". and would certainly be cheaper than the Feline Omega for FIV FeLV sanctuaries.GlendaVancouver Cats Gardens:http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle/0 In a message dated Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:08:15 -0800, Lernermichelle wrote: Are you talking about interferon omega, also called Feline Interferon or Virbagen Omega? A few of us have imported that, and we have all the forms in electronic version, and Nina's vet has put together a packet she sends out to anyone interested. Basically, the vet needs to send an application to the FDA for special dispensation. The FDA then takes a month or two to approve it, sends the approval to the vet, and the vet sends that to Abbey Vet in England with the order.Michelle
Pregnant Rescue Work
I have a question. Well, it is more of looking for some personal advice on an issue. I have been off and on the FeLVtalk list for three (3) years now, but ever since the Massive Spraying issue back in 12-14-04 I very rarely receive responses from my posts. It is almost as if me and the group have had a falling out. Before I get started and for clarification purposes, this post is NOT what you may think that it is. No flames please! For those that do not know me, I am a cat-mom who is happily loved by thirteen (13) adorable kitties, ten (10) in which are strictly indoors cats only. Currently all of my kids are FeLV negative. The kitties are not the only fur-kids that we have adopted. Our house is a multi-animal home. Me and my husband have two (2) dogs, a small ten (10) gallon freshwater tank, a horse and twenty-five (25) sugar gliders. (We do sugar glider rescue work as well as feline rescue work.) ALL of my kids have been rescues via straight off of the street, animal control or human societies. I DO NOT BREED. All of my fur-kids have been spayed and/or neutered (including the exotics) at four (4) months of age. We live on six (6) acres of country land. Okay, with all of the red-tape out of the way. The reason for this post is because this particular topic has come up often in the past and I need some honest and straightforward advice. Me and my husband are expecting with our first child. I am currently six (6) months pregnant and sacrificing any of the fur-kids for our human child is completely OUT OF THE QUESTION. We are NOT going to lose ANY member of our family due to this pregnancy. However, me and my husband are completely aware that the baby will inevitably change the balance of our home's environment and/or atmosphere. Therefore, we are in need of ideas to help the kids through a smooth and safe transition i.e. playing a tape/CD that has baby cries on it so that the fur-kids can become accustomed to the sound, allowing the kids access to the baby's room so that they become familiar with the baby's smell, etc. Spraying, inappropriate elimination, territorial aggression, jealousy, rejection and avoidance are normal responses to ANY new arrival and/or addition; therefore, me and my husband expect and accept these types of behavioral outbursts. I just did not know if anyone here on the list has ever continued their rescue work while pregnant. If so, how did the transition workout for you? Did your fur-kids eventually come around to accepting the new baby or do they just call a truce? Again, this post is not intended to instigate ANY kind of argument! Just looking for some helpful and honest advice from those of you who have experience in this department. Thanks! Lora __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Importation of drugs
'Glenda, I don't know how much Interferon Omega costs but the natural interferon I got the pricing on (Multiferon manufactured by Veragin) works out to $70 for a 3 million unit vial and if my math is correct that should make 100,000 30 unit doses. That is enough for 274 cats for a year if you dose themevery dayor twice that many if you do the 7 days on and 7 off like they did in the study. I would think the most expensive part would be the saline and the syringes. The study actually uses 10 units per kg so I would guess the average dose would be more like 50 units if you wanted to follow their protocol. Then you'd only get 60,000 doses and that would cover over 300 cats using 7 days on and 7 off. That should be enough for a year even at very large sanctuaries. - Original Message - From: gg To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Importation of drugs Michelle,I ordered the paper last week, and this natural human ifn (Alfaferone) usesseveral human IFN-a subtypes, including IFN-a1, a2, -a8 and -a21It is reminiscent of some of the earlier studies on FeLV FIVthat usedeither a natural interferon (was then referred to as a 'Cantell' type), or a or hybrid containing IFN A/D subtypes in the late 80's, early 90's. In one of the papers I ordered (several years ago), there were 2 cats that seroconverted from both FIV FeLV. One of the cats had nonregenerative anemia and seroconverted after 90 days of alternate-week treatment and the other had chronic nonrefractory dermatomycosis and had complete resolution of symptoms and later seroconverted to both viruses. If you do a search on "Kemron interferon", it may be of interest. PubMed's good, too.Itcertainly, at least in this study,looks "promising". and would certainly be cheaper than the Feline Omega for FIV FeLV sanctuaries.GlendaVancouver Cats Gardens:http://community.webshots.com/user/sicky_icicle/0 In a message dated Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:08:15 -0800, Lernermichelle wrote: Are you talking about interferon omega, also called Feline Interferon or Virbagen Omega? A few of us have imported that, and we have all the forms in electronic version, and Nina's vet has put together a packet she sends out to anyone interested. Basically, the vet needs to send an application to the FDA for special dispensation. The FDA then takes a month or two to approve it, sends the approval to the vet, and the vet sends that to Abbey Vet in England with the order.Michelle __ NOD32 1.1269 (20051031) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System.http://www.nod32.com
Re: Pregnant Rescue Work
Lora, I think I remember you. Wow that's a tough personal choice. Be extra careful with litter boxes toxo is deadly to a growing baby. no flaming why would anyone flame you? If you asked me when I was in my 20's having my kids I would say no sweat... now my best recommendation is take in a lot fewer pets incase something goes wrong and you have to lets say go on bed rest. I have one foster who does moms with litters...she is in her 6th month and needs to slow down...so she is cutting back to one or two pups instead of large dogs with large litters. If you need to talk been there done that had belinda make the tee shirtLOL email me we will talk
