Re: litterboxes
Yep, I truly feel your pain. It is for this sole purpose that we have finally learned, in our home, to have ALL of the fabric furniture professionally steamed upholstered and then have them wrapped in plastic. Once the plastic is professionally installed, slipcovers are fitted for each inidividual piece. Now when we have an inappropriate elimation/soiling accident or a territorial aggression spray issue, I simply take the slipcovers off and throw them in the washing machine. Of course this obviously meant that I absoultely had to purchase an industrial size washer and dryer. It is a godsend that we have a well-water hook-up (with a water-softener) to the house, otherwise we would be spending a fortune on monthly bills for city water/sewage. Even with purchasing a water-softener, septic tank, monthly bags of watersalt refills and biannually/annually septic tank maintenance/drainnig, we are saving a bundle in the long-run! Everything is going up, including utilities and water! At least I have found an effecient method to nearly eliminate ALL of the sofa cat-hair on a regular basis! :) Lora --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My husband calls cat poo appetizers chewy goodness. Disgusting. Ah the joys of fur parenting. While we're on the subject of poo... I just have to vent a little. After all the talk of psyching out litterbox avoidance, my cat Gypsy decided to put me in my place. I was so proud of myself for finding and having delivered a new sofa, love seat and overstuffed chair in time for the hoard of people that will be descending on our home for Thanksgiving. We just got it yesterday, haven't even arranged it the way we want yet. My husband stuck his face back in the bedroom this morning with a look that told me something was very wrong. Gypsy had not only christened the new sofa with her distinctive soft poo, but someone had urinated on the chair! Aaarrrggh! Mommy was not happy. Little s**ts wanted to make sure the new stuff smelled more like the old stuff I guess. Nina __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Carrie
If it was just the revolution it should have at least calmed calmed dow after one month but as I discovered the revolution exacerbated what were mild ataxia and seizures in Bramble into full blown seizure with involuntary motor movements - he muscles were rigid and he was terrified. Luckily after standing my ground with vets he improved for a while. The most severe time time is 14 hours after revolution is put on the skin - that is when it is most potent, And then it is in th esystem for upto 4 weeks. Bramble too had an FIP looking belly. Do your acts pupils dilate during this - test if they repond to light. Does you r cat ever appear blind or partially blind at any time and how often is this seizure activity happening. Have you been on the epi-felines groups to ask them about seizures - if not get on there. The more input you get the better. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
RE: Kerry and Tiger/Liners
Title: Message Yup, I tend to agree with you. Cats definitely have a way of passing the message on. (Which surely proves, contrary to common belief,what unselfish creatures they actually are!) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:36 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Kerry and Tiger/Liners In a message dated 11/22/05 8:48:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any cat that finds a home with you, Patti, is one very fortunate cat Kerry, My cats are probably "behind" the appearance of all the strays showing up here... They probably can communicate in a "mysterious, secret language of cats", getting the word out just as "mysteriously" to the tattered toms throw-aways.. "HEY, NEED A WARM PLACE TO STAY SOME REALLY GOOD FOOD? C'MON OVER TO OUR HOUSE. MOM'S A REAL SOFTIE, SHE CAN NEVER SAY NO TO A CAT." Yep, I can just see the little imps. They all are really clever cats Hugs, Patti and The Clever Cats and The Poopy Purr Balls =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 164
Hi Rebecca My most precious sources of info have been this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The Natural Cat Book. Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient points: ~~Give only filtered water. ~~Buy the best pet food you can afford. Until I joined this group, I didn't even know there were higher quality brands than those found in the chains--Petco, Petsmart etc.--i.e. brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, like Wellness, Innova, Petguard. These are found in the independent pet stores and stores like Wholefoods. So now all my cats--including the negative ones that I already had--are on a better diet. I give them all Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and dry food morning and evening. ~~Add these supplements morning and evening to the wet food, to boost the kitties' immune system: a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1 teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix' (see details below ). Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet) I added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends: 1 tablet bioplasma, crushed; extra 1/4 teaspoon of bonemeal (ie over and above the bonemeal in the Vita Min Mix below); 10 mg Co-Enzyme Q10; 1/8 teaspoon olive oil; 1/2 teaspoon cod liver oil; and 1 teaspoon chopped alfalfa sprouts And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's (eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me. Some members eg Nina and Michelle, have worked with their vet to get feline interferon from England. I know they will be more than happy to give you the details. Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe (very easy to make up in bulk -- store in refrigerator) 1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional yeast or tarula). (I use nutritional yeast.) 1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder (I found kelp first, so I use that) 1 cup lecithin granules 2 cups wheat bran 2 cups bonemeal, calcium lactate or calcium gluconate. (I have only been able to find bonemeal--the Solgar brand). Mix together and store in covered container. MUST be kept in refrigerator as some of these ingredients perish. Add 1 teaspoonful of Vita-Mineral Mix to each cat's meal (ie 2 teaspoonfuls per cat per day). Also recommended by Anitra Frazier : Give a total of four doses of 250 units Vit C each day (use 1/16 teaspoon ascorbic acid crystals or sodium ascorbate powder). (I found the powder easily.) Vitamin C is not stored in the body well so is most effective given in several doses throughout the day. Always mix Vitamin C with a little High-Calcium Chicken Broth (I can send you the recipe if you like) or a teaspoon of a food the cat loves. Never give Vit C without a little food. Once a week give each cat 400 units Vitamin E (alpha tocopherol, not mixed tocopherols) and the contents of a Vitamin AD capsule. You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list! Good luck, and hugs to you and Brooklyn. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:15 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 164 Hi All- I know that you guys gave me some info about supplements, but I didn't write it down right away and deleted the emails. Can someone tell me what supplements you give to your cat to promote a healthy immune system? I recall hearing Lysine and CoQ10. What are the dosages you give? Thanks so much! -Rebecca Brooklyn hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail) and am going to have a hard time to return them to her once she gets out of jail, because she is sort of drug addict and she has some other mental illness and am worried that their safety might be at risk.. they are just so scared right now.. but started coming out a little bit --- I love them very much, too! As for Tiger, have you tried to add another box in a separate place or put a litter box not filled with litter, but with a towel or something.. your instinct is probably right and maybe there is something that can fix with homeopathy, which I will ask with my doctor.. the mean time, you might want to try to add another litter box with different litter or but old rug in the litter box (it works very well with a couple of my non-litter box user kitties) Love, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Mine are doing well; no one is sick just now, knock on wood, thanks, Hideyo. I'm
Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
A rug in the litter box? Then when its time to clean wheres the rug go? his is very interesting as we also have several cats in groups I know that have this problem. Sincerely Carrie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail) and am going to have a hard time to return them to her once she gets out of jail, because she is sort of drug addict and she has some other mental illness and am worried that their safety might be at risk.. they are just so scared right now.. but started coming out a little bit --- I love them very much, too! As for Tiger, have you tried to add another box in a separate place or put a litter box not filled with litter, but with a towel or something.. your instinct is probably right and maybe there is something that can fix with homeopathy, which I will ask with my doctor.. the
re. Haunted by questions please help ?
Jenn, and others, appreciate all comments we are suffering thru bereavement, Thanks for asking more about our sweet Frodo; we are sure he was born with the virus. The haunting question is, and still looking for answers experiences and opinions : If a kitten is born with the virus, are they more likely to succumb at an early age ? Thanks Jenn for that observation that they often don't live past 3. We want to know the stats or general percentage of kittens treated with immuno regulin or whatever, to turn negative and not be contagious (or is that a separate question). We wish we had tested and treated, but we did not. He was a healthy, thriving cat til he suddenly became ill. He contracted a major bacterial infection from eating raw chicken neck, and coincidentally raw venison liver the same day. He had been totally happy and normal prior no infection or problem. Only symptom looking back was he was not as agile or fast, but we thought he was just not a kitten anymore. Because the vet acted like something else might be going on and seemed to want tons of tests and in hospital expense, it seemed bogus money grab; then, someone on a yahoo list not this one, said a culture and sensitivity was needed, but it was useless if the cat already started antibiotics. NOT true, and I believed the person and he didn't get the right antibiotic for several weeks. Meanwhile he wasn't eating. All along, we just thought it was an infection that he would overcome. GREAT regret. When he died, he also had toxoplasmosis, and we had an autopsy, he had hi grade lymphoblastic sarcoma in many places with lesions indicating it had been around before. The suggestion to us was he had the cancer before the campylobacter and stopped eating (he never ate on his own for his last 8 weeks) because of that. Other question PLEASE any opinion - is that type of scenario likely or was vet trying to make me feel better ? If we had treated the bacterial infection, I wonder if the cancer could have been tackled with chemo. Not that we had money, a ton of hospital expense went on credit cards, but it was in the end for nothing and subjected him to many antibiotics. Please help, but I want to know the truth and actual stats if anyone is aware. Lynne __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Carrie, Kitty urine washes out quite nicely in the wash I've learned, so just throw the rug in the wash if you don't think it would become too unraveled. A towel would be a better choice because those can be washed over and over. If this works for Pepper, I will buy several cheap towels for her and wash them only with each other. I am so excited because it's been a problem! :) Wendy --- hd cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A rug in the litter box? Then when its time to clean wheres the rug go? his is very interesting as we also have several cats in groups I know that have this problem. Sincerely Carrie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail)
Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Yes it sounds good, my problem is I do rescue, so I am concerned I would start a trend with a towel in the box, hu, maybe I need to cage her and try to reprogram her, I dont know, in my case I dont see it working as there are too many that could end up with potty issues because of it, oh well Sincerely Carrie www.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.com www.alleycatangels.org www.adoptacat53.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Carrie, Kitty urine washes out quite nicely in the wash I've learned, so just throw the rug in the wash if you don't think it would become too unraveled. A towel would be a better choice because those can be washed over and over. If this works for Pepper, I will buy several cheap towels for her and wash them only with each other. I am so excited because it's been a problem! :) Wendy --- hd cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A rug in the litter box? Then when its time to clean wheres the rug go? his is very interesting as we also have several cats in groups I know that have this problem. Sincerely Carrie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
Re: re. Haunted by questions please help ?
Hi Lynne, I'm so sorry for your sad loss. In reply to your first question, that's what I've been told - if they were born with the virus, they have less of a chance. My two who were born with the virus lived to 2.5-3 yrs of age. I wasn't giving them interferon. I have 5 FELV cats now, and two that I'm pretty sure were born with the virus. Been giving them low dose oral interferon daily since they were kittens. They're about 2 yrs now, so we'll see. Gloria On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Lynne Moquin wrote: Jenn, and others, appreciate all comments we are suffering thru bereavement, Thanks for asking more about our sweet Frodo; we are sure he was born with the virus. The haunting question is, and still looking for answers experiences and opinions : If a kitten is born with the virus, are they more likely to succumb at an early age ? Thanks Jenn for that observation that they often don't live past 3
Supplements...Thanks Kerry! (more questions)
OMG Thank you SO much Kerry! That was SO great! EXACTLY what I needed, I love when people put things in a nice neat format that I can print out and refer to. (I sound OCD don't I? I'm not really...ok maybe a little). That's getting printed up and put on my fridge. Maybe even in a frame! (just kidding).lol. Pet Guard issold in Fairway supermarket right near my office. Fairway is LIKE Wholefoods, but not as big. I wish I had a Wholefoods near me. The closest one is such a pain to get to and in such a busy area. Is the Petguard kibble good quality as well? And what other canned foods do you or anyone else recommend? Is wellness canned good? Why do you mix the two? What about Innova? Of those supplements you listed, which are the most essential to give? Which should be the core? Is bottled spring water the same as filtered? And if I boil water is that the same as filtered water? So many questions! lol. Thanks for answering! Hugs, Rebecca Brooklyn
Re: re. Haunted by questions please help ?
Lynne, I know this might be a lot to ask right now, but please stop feeling so guilty. Every single person here looks at some aspect of the care they gave their furball before they passed away, and questions whether this or that should have been done instead of what was done. Or question their vet. Or the diet. You name it. But the bottom line is, you did all you could given the information and time you had. Keep in mind that you did nothing intentionally to harm your kitty. You did the best you could and we all know that desperate feeling of grasping at anything and everything that might help and hating ourselves for being ignorant when time was of the essence. Please don't torture yourself. That being said, I know what you are going through. I am coming to terms right now with the loss of my precious Cricket almost two weeks ago. We are our own worst critics. We are harder on ourselves than anyone else, and it's probably time that you started going a little easier on yourself. There are so many unanswered questions about FeLV. The vets don't know much either. Many of the questions you asked in your first post have no answers as of yet. I treated Cricket with ImmunoRegulin, but he was so anemic and only responded for a short time before he got too sick to eat and then died the day I had a feeding tube inserted as a last ditch effort to save him. It was a heartbreaking experience I will never forget. He was 4 and a half when he died. From what you said about your kitty, it sounds like he had the cancers pretty badly and all over. Treating the bacterial infection effectively MIGHT have bought him more time, but you had no guarantee of that. And yes, he MIGHT have responded to chemo, but you had no guarantee of that either. What you did know is that he had been dealing with cancer for some time. It might have just been his time. When I think about this concept, I think back to a beautiful girl, inside and out, that I went to high school with. She was 3 years younger than me, the head cheerleader at our high school, and was a precious human being. EVERYONE loved her. She was so sweet and friendly and just shining all the time. A truly priceless soul. She got into a car accident with three other girls one day on the way to practice. It was a sunny afternoon, and she spilled her drink while driving her Suzuki Samurai, and bent over to pick it up, and when she looked up, she was in another lane going head on with another car, and jerked the wheel and flipped the car. She was thrown from the vehicle, hit her head, and her parents eventually had to turn off the life support. It was such a tragedy in our small town. And the only thing that I can think of when I think back on her is that it was her time. Why else would God take such a beautiful soul from making everyone's life better here? And at such a young age? We can never know why the time comes for any of us or our loved ones or furballs, but it does. We don't know the inner-workings of Heaven and why things happen the way they do. The only comfort I have is the inner peace I have from God being there for me and holding me when I am weak. In my situation, second guessing myself helped me not to deal directly with the fact that my beloved Cricket was gone and was not coming back. And when I stopped (mostly), I had to accept the truth and just grieve in that way, instead of feeling guilty. I hope this helps you Lynne. And please forgive me if I have said anything to offend you. I do know how you are feeling. I just want to help in the best way I can. Prayers for you and your family. And I am SO sorry that you lost your kitty. :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: Supplements...Thanks Kerry! (more questions)
Glad it helps! Please note I'm NOT an expert---there are many members on this great list who are much more experienced than me--but from my reading on the list I'd say L-Lysin is the most important one. Other members will hopefully chip in with a ranking of the others. I enjoyed giving them the Vita Min Mix (they don't eat it any more because they're addicted to the Wellness Dry and only eat tiny bits of wet, gr--at least it means they get some L-Lysin tho). I felt they were getting lots of good stuff and it was v easy to make up in bulk too. My cats never much liked any of the dry food Wholefoods had, plus I was never convinced anyway (by the blurbs) that any of it was up to standard. The only one I thought worth a try (that Wholefoods stocked) was Newmans Own. Trouble was, none of mine would eat it. I buy Wellness canned and Wellness dry---both are high quality, with no additives, no preservatives, no by-products. I omitted to mention my nearest Wholefoods stopped stocking the one flavor of Petguard that mine liked---chicken wheatgerm. They never actually stated they didn't stock it any more; they just never had it despite claims that they'd put in weekly orders from corporate for me. So I don't buy there any more. That said, it's a struggle to get any of mine to eat any wet, including Wellness, but i figure some is better than none. Innova is a good high quality brand. Rule of thumb for me is: if it's sold in Petsmart or Petco it's not that great. If it's sold in an independent, it's likely very good and has no additives, no preservatives, no by-products. My advice re bottled water: don't buy it at all. There's been a lot of press recently re the dearth of regulations applied to bottled water and bottled water plants. Seems anyone with running water and a good marketing plan can make a bundle selling the stuff. Water from the faucet is much safer and better regulated. Filtered water is best in my view. (I don't know about boiling---good Q.) Hope this helps a bit---others will chip in too---if they don't (TH holiday and all that) ask again. There's no limit on Qs :)! love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:58 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Supplements...Thanks Kerry! (more questions) OMG Thank you SO much Kerry! That was SO great! EXACTLY what I needed, I love when people put things in a nice neat format that I can print out and refer to. (I sound OCD don't I? I'm not really...ok maybe a little). That's getting printed up and put on my fridge. Maybe even in a frame! (just kidding).lol. Pet Guard issold in Fairway supermarket right near my office. Fairway is LIKE Wholefoods, but not as big. I wish I had a Wholefoods near me. The closest one is such a pain to get to and in such a busy area. Is the Petguard kibble good quality as well? And what other canned foods do you or anyone else recommend? Is wellness canned good? Why do you mix the two? What about Innova? Of those supplements you listed, which are the most essential to give? Which should be the core? Is bottled spring water the same as filtered? And if I boil water is that the same as filtered water? So many questions! lol. Thanks for answering! Hugs, Rebecca Brooklyn hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Rose pts
Denise, I am so sorry to hear about Rose. Thank you for taking care of her and taking her in when no one else did. Prayers to you and your family, Wendy --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry to hear your sad news, Denise. But I'm glad Rose knew what it was to have a real, loving home, and was loved, cared for and comforted right until the end. You could check back to your November 1 (or 1st of any month) emails, when details of how you individually unsubscribe, with your passport, are sent. Or try: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hugs and sympathy to you and your family, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:47 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Rose pts Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences with your leukemia cats. This summer, we adopted our Rose from a Humane Society board member who had her at his house in a cage with his other rescued cats. Rose couldn't go to PetSmart cuz she was unadoptable due to chronic boogers, yet she was super friendly and my kids, my dog, and I just loved her to bits. After she didn't get better on meds, I took her to the vet for THE test, and sure enough it was positive. Then, I joined this list to learn from you all. Rose had a great, but brief, relatively healthy life for the rest of her time, but then she went down hill quickly. Thanks to your posts, and the vet's food and advice, I syringe-fed her AD and H2O for a few days after the vet rehydrated her subQ. Rose seemed happy again for a little while, but her overly-dilated eye never went back to normal, so the vet thought that the leukemia had affected her neurologically. He was probably right, cuz by Friday, she was suffering, so I took Rose to be put to sleep. They couldn't find a vain on her, so they gave her an injection interthoracically. She lingered for a few moments in my arms as my dog and I snuggled with her until she passed. Thanks again for all your posts. I didn't post much myself, but I was comforted by this group every day. Now, if you will, please unsubscribe me until I can rejoin later to offer hope and encouragement to others after I'm done mourning. Best, Denise in Utah This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Supplements...I also have some questions
Hi all- I've been reading the supplements emails... My FeLV+ cat was just diagnosed yesterday with the disease via Elisa test. She showed some fluid in her lungs, which my vet thinks is the result of a URI not getting better on its own but this other vet I talked to thinks is a symptom of the FeLV itself, so I'm extremely confused. We gave her a diuretic and the fluid is almost comppletely gone (her breathing is almost 100% normal, whereas it very suddenly became quite labored last weekend when I took her in) and Clavamox seems to be helping with other symptoms. Her fever is down and other than being a bit more sluggish that usual after playtime, her behavior and appetite are all totally normal. Obviously, I'm going to need to do a lot more for her, so for a cat displaying the earlier symptoms of slight fever, labored breathing, a few sneezes and intermittent lethargy (all of which seem to be gone now), what should I look into for her? Like I said, I'm very confused as to where in the disease she is and what I can expect. I want to do everything I possibly can for her...which ideally would be a combination of traditional and holistic meds. I'm new to this, so I'm grateful for any advice anyone can give me. Thanks! Allie
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Oh.. I know what you mean... but not everyone will prefer to use towel.. trust me, I have got a couple of dozens at home... you are right, some may decide to pee on towel instead of regular litter box (some of mine do), but others just like to use normal litter box.. I guess my alternative was for them to pee on the bed or on couch (which happens still).. good luck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hd cc Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Yes it sounds good, my problem is I do rescue, so I am concerned I would start a trend with a towel in the box, hu, maybe I need to cage her and try to reprogram her, I dont know, in my case I dont see it working as there are too many that could end up with potty issues because of it, oh well Sincerely Carrie www.arlingtonkittensandcats.petfinder.com www.alleycatangels.org www.adoptacat53.com - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Carrie, Kitty urine washes out quite nicely in the wash I've learned, so just throw the rug in the wash if you don't think it would become too unraveled. A towel would be a better choice because those can be washed over and over. If this works for Pepper, I will buy several cheap towels for her and wash them only with each other. I am so excited because it's been a problem! :) Wendy --- hd cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A rug in the litter box? Then when its time to clean wheres the rug go? his is very interesting as we also have several cats in groups I know that have this problem. Sincerely Carrie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Please do.. they basically like the concept of a box to pee.. just some don't like the feeling/texture of litter to be walking on.. if you know what I mean..I hope it will work on your kitties.. let me know how it goes.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail) and am going to have a hard time to return them to her once she gets out of jail, because she is sort of drug addict and she has some other mental illness and am worried that their safety might be at risk.. they are just so scared right now.. but started coming out a little bit --- I love them very much, too! As for Tiger, have you tried to add another box in a separate place or put a litter box not filled with litter, but with a towel or something.. your instinct is probably right and maybe there is something that can fix with homeopathy, which I will ask with my doctor.. the mean time, you might want to try to add another litter box with different litter or but old
Re: Supplements...I also have some questions
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RE: New Member
You might want to try holistic treatment on this kitty, sine her immune system is already weaken, I will be concerned any traditional drug you may give this kitty - I treat most of my cats homeopathically and it works really well on most of them.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie chance Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member oh my, I just read an article, Im not even sure what made me think of it, but I gave her revolution about a month ago, and the adverse reactions are tremors and stiffness, is there a chance this is it? I just bathed her incase, and if so what can be done for her at this point from it? I am looking at all options of what went wrong and where and it appears this one matched, carrie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: New Member Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list. That really is difficult, and tugs at my heart. My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never thrived, poor baby. When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died. I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for the URI. 250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in. I use powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted fully. For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show up on the blood test. You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases. Someone suggested Zithromax. I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids. Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) for that. I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about helping them thrive. Best of luck, Gloria At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better soon! -Original Message- Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty is having a difficult time. One thing I would like to ask is that, could you post the blood work on the post? I really would like to take a look at it myself and read it. Especially TP and A/G ratio. If TP is high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you about another viral disease. If you haven't done already, you might want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows. Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much. Henry died after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill - baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the reaction from it. Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within 72 hours. They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very fatal. One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet says. You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your kitty no matter how safe they say it is. Otherwise you would be paying for it. A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am not surprised if your kitty has it, too. Does she have a fever? The only concern I have is that she may have dry form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask for help. They have many many educated people also who is expert in symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think. Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down. I recently had a situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up and a miracle happened and he came back. Regardless whatever she has (whether it's FIP or not). Don't' ever give up a hope. Everyday is a gift you have with her. Please treasure and fight with her (looks like you have the attitude already - :) - at FIP yahoo list, there are hundreds of people who live with FIP cats and continue to fight with their furry babies. And, regardless whatever it is, we are here for you. I am hoping that it's not FIP. But I would really like to get a copy of the blood work. Ask your vet to
RE: New Member
You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at University of Glasgow and they can do a profile test for FIP - it's the closest diagnostic tool around, she has dedicated her last two decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP - every time, I suspect FIP on my kitties, I consider using them --- Again, we will see what the blood work say when you post it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie chance Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping) and have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP, and the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So no one knows whats wrong...its really weird I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you asked about a fever, no fever, just warm and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always looked like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: New Member Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list. That really is difficult, and tugs at my heart. My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never thrived, poor baby. When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died. I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for the URI. 250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in. I use powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted fully. For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show up on the blood test. You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases. Someone suggested Zithromax. I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids. Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) for that. I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about helping them thrive. Best of luck, Gloria At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better soon! -Original Message- Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty is having a difficult time. One thing I would like to ask is that, could you post the blood work on the post? I really would like to take a look at it myself and read it. Especially TP and A/G ratio. If TP is high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you about another viral disease. If you haven't done already, you might want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows. Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much. Henry died after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill - baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the reaction from it. Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within 72 hours. They think he died of FIP which is considered to be very fatal. One thing I have to tell you is that, no matter what, please please be careful as to what drug you give to your kitty no matter what a vet says. You have to know the risks/benefits of each drug you give to your kitty no matter how safe they say it is. Otherwise you would be paying for it. A human could get a serious reaction from pennicilian so I am not surprised if your kitty has it, too. Does she have a fever? The only concern I have is that she may have dry form of FIP - I suggested that you also write to FIP yahoo group and ask for help. They have many many educated people also who is expert in symptoms of FIP, and they can tell you also what they think. Regardless, if your kitty is eating, and you feel that she is not in pain, don't listen to your vet to put her down. I recently had a situation where my kitty was very close to death, and did not give up and a miracle happened and he came back. Regardless whatever she has (whether it's FIP or not). Don't' ever give up a hope. Everyday is a gift you have with her. Please treasure and fight with her (looks like you have the attitude already
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Gloria, I am sorry to hear about your sweet Lancelot. Please know you went above and beyond what many owners do for their kitties when they are ill. I hope you are comforted by this. I liked the idea of burying Lancelot with another kitty recently passed. It was a comforting thought for me and I hope comforting for both those kitties as they cross the bridge. :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: Such a caring and loving group!
I agree with many of you. I don't see myself going anywhere anytime soon, even though I don't have any FeLV kitties at present. The information is so valuable and can be used for illnesses whether related to FeLV or not. In addition, I will NEVER forget the support that I got here when Cricket was sick and after he died, and I am a big believer in paying it forward. I want to help others the way you all helped Cricket and me in our time of need. I also agree that there are other problems non-kitty related that we discuss from time to time and frankly there are many people here who are wise and who I would have no problem with taking advice from on any number of issues. :) Wendy P.S. Do they offer veterinary courses/licenses online, because many of you might qualify!? lol. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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I have been trying to get them to write a book for a year.
RE: Such a caring and loving group!
What I have learned over the years is that no matter how excellent of a vet s/he might be, no one knows everything --- and no one is updated on the most updated information on everything... I think the main difference is our attitude about we want to know and learn about everything because we are so committed to do whatever possible for the furry children we so care and we so love very much! I have in the past mention a few new treatment for my kitties for different problems which my vet were not aware of at all and my vet is secure and open minded enough to look into it - she respects that fact that I do my part as a parent of my furry children.. I will not be able to work with any vets who can't stand being questioned.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Such a caring and loving group! I agree with many of you. I don't see myself going anywhere anytime soon, even though I don't have any FeLV kitties at present. The information is so valuable and can be used for illnesses whether related to FeLV or not. In addition, I will NEVER forget the support that I got here when Cricket was sick and after he died, and I am a big believer in paying it forward. I want to help others the way you all helped Cricket and me in our time of need. I also agree that there are other problems non-kitty related that we discuss from time to time and frankly there are many people here who are wise and who I would have no problem with taking advice from on any number of issues. :) Wendy P.S. Do they offer veterinary courses/licenses online, because many of you might qualify!? lol. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Rebecca, It's so good to meet you and get to know you and Brooklyn P for Putty tat O'Malley. I cracked up when I read that. I have news for you though. It sounds like you have been kitty-pated (like twitter-pated, but with kitties). Now that this kitty has stolen your heart, you will never be the same. Have you gotten his stocking for Christmas yet? lol. I tell people that don't like cats that they've never been loved by one. Being that Brooklyn is around five, then there's a good chance that he might fight off the FeLV virus and eventually test negative for it. Diet, supplements, and quality, informed care will help with this. Unfortunately, fate, the ever present X-factor, also has a say in Brooklyn's life. All you can do is your best. I hope you enjoy this group as I do. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Conflict on being vegan
I have a question: why in the world would anyone take offense to the personal choice of being a vegan? Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of a group? I don't understand this concept. I could fathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan in their cyber group, but the other way around? Can someone fill me in on why this would be? Just curious. Thanks. I have no problem with what anyone is doing as long as it isn't hurting anyone or anything, and being vegan does not qualify. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Not sure what you're referring to, but if this happened (kicking a vegan out of a group), then I'm mystified too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Conflict on being vegan I have a question: why in the world would anyone take offense to the personal choice of being a vegan? Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of a group? I don't understand this concept. I could fathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan in their cyber group, but the other way around? Can someone fill me in on why this would be? Just curious. Thanks. I have no problem with what anyone is doing as long as it isn't hurting anyone or anything, and being vegan does not qualify. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Hi Allie, I am sorry to hear that Lola was diagnosed FeLV. With appropriate care, she may live several years, if not more. I am glad that you did not decide to pts even though the vet said most owners do. If that's true, it's only because of the vet's advice and lack of information. The best way to learn about this disease is to read backposts. There is SO much information. Try not to overload. I got really stressed taking in so much info. at once. If you have any questions while reading the posts, please ask us. There is always someone here who can help. Everyone here is GREAT! :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Original Message Subject:[RC] OT But rescue shelter needs help Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:57:28 -0500 From: Ashley Kemerer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is an emergency in Point Pleasant (Mason County) West Virginia. Their animal shelter ( http://masoncounty.petfinder.com http://masoncounty.petfinder.com/) just had a gas explosion and fire, and many animals are dead and injured. Shelter workers are burned from trying to go in after the animals. One worker lost her own personal cats in the fire. If you are near there and can help, please email Trish McDonald at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and please copy Sally at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and Robin ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) if you can offer any assistance. WARNING: THIS IS VERY UPSETTING TO READ. Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:53:00 + WV: MASON CO SHELTER IS ON FIRE! GAS EXPLOSION! From: Trish McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MASON COUNTY RESCUERS SUPPORTERS, WE NEED YOUR HELP NOW MORE THAN EVER! 11/22/05 approximately 3:00 pm I just got calls from Sally Missy and I'm pretty hysterical at the moment, so sorry if this is rambling. The shelter is burning. Gas valve blew, explosion, building extremely damaged, probably a complete loss. Cats and dogs are dead. Danielle (shelter manager) is out alive but has suffered smoke inhalation (from going back in to rescue animals) and is on her way to the hospital. Her own cats died in the fire. As far as I know the rest of the staff got out ok. Shelter phone is dead. Danielle has been able to reach Sally via another phone, but I don't have the number. Sheriff, fire, ambulance are all at the shelter now. Phone calls are coming in fast and furious as I'm writing this...updating along the way. Hope it all makes sense. Some dogs are out alive...running loose. Not sure how many because they were just letting out whatever dogs they could reach and they're now running loose. Will be rounded up later. Early estimate is maybe 50-60 dogs were pulled out. I just spoke to Derrick. They're rounding them up now. He's ok physically, emotionally a wreck. He's called in friends to come and take dogs to emergency foster. The recycling center has offered to hold some dogs for us too. Missy is on her way down there now. Emergency foster homes are needed NOW!!! ALL of the cats are dead...they couldn't get to the cat room. Puppies are probably all dead...they couldn't get through the smoke to the puppy room to save them. Some dogs are dead, not all, no idea who got out out. They got them out fast. Just opened kennels and pushed them outside. WOWK TV was there at the time doing an interview. The furnace installation guy and the woman doing the interview were burned. Please pray for them. All remaining animals MUST get out to rescue ASAP. There's NO WHERE to put them! No building to use. Maybe some outdoor pens, but that's about it. Rescues, HELP HELP HELP Sue Potter is going down there this weekend to do a transport back up through PA to CT. Anyone who can rescue or foster, please contact Missy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Missy is headed to the shelter now and may not be online for awhile, so please copy Sally at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and Robin ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can offer any assistance. Please pray for everyone involved. These people have worked so hard to try to make a difference for the animals in Mason County and they keep suffering setback after setback. From what I've heard via the first hurried phone calls is that it appears the building is a complete loss. Missy thinks the outside kennels are still usable. http://masoncounty.petfinder.com http://masoncounty.petfinder.com/ Trish 11/22/05 approximately 3:00 pm It is with the heaviest of hearts that I write this post. I can't stop crying. We need help! There's been a gas explosion at the Mason County shelter in Point Pleasant WV. It happened during the installation of the new heating system. All of the following information was gathered in the first hour after the explosion. Details may change as things settle down and volunteers get there to help assess the situation. All of the staff members made it out alive. Danielle, the shelter director, has suffered smoke inhalation from going back in to rescue animals. Of all the cats/kittens at the shelter, only one made it out alive. It had to be resuscitated. No idea if it will live. It is believed that all of the puppies died in the fire and smoke...the staff couldn't get to the puppy or cat rooms to pull them out. They were able to get to the large dog kennels and pull out a lot of the dogs. They basically pushed them out the door and the dogs are running loose. Not all got out. Some died in the initial explosion, others probably of smoke inhalation. Initial estimate is that approximately 50-60 dogs were pushed
Re: Conflict on being vegan
I was vegetarian for about 6 years and it just amazed me at how many people would monitor my eating habits. I wouldn't make an issue of it and I was flexible that if I was at a party or something I would eat whatever was served--with or without meat. Let me go to a restaurant with a group and bear in mind, I never called attention to the fact that I don't eat meat, my order would literally hijack the conversation. You would think I sprouted 2 heads or something. I do not know why what other people eat or don't eat bothers some people to the extent that it does.wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question: why in the world would anyone takeoffense to the personal choice of being a vegan? Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of agroup? I don't understand this concept. I couldfathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan intheir cyber group, but the other way around? Cansomeone fill me in on why this would be? Justcurious. Thanks. I have no problem with what anyoneis doing as long as it isn't hurting anyone oranything, and being vegan does not qualify.__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
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Is L-Lysin the same as Lysine HCL 500mg?
Re: re. Haunted by questions please help ?
Yes, kittens born with the virus are more likely to die at a younger age. 18 months seems to be the magic number for lots of them, I think many of us have lost several at that particular age, between 1 and 2 years old. As for the rest, I will leave others with more experience with cancer to answer that, my Moogie never got cancer. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.6/179 - Release Date: 11/23/2005
Re: But rescue shelter needs help]
That is SO horrible! It really hits you hard when you go to the petfinder site and click to view the cats, and there aren't any listed.. they all burned alive in cages. Absolutely HORRIBLE. I can't stop crying.. this is so tragic. Maybe we could add them as a group to the CLS for next week? I guess that the furnace installation went bad? I saw they had the installation guy there when it happened. I would hope they could sue and recover some money to rebuild if that is the case! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.6/179 - Release Date: 11/23/2005
RE: But rescue shelter needs help]
Oh.. no that's just so awful - I can't stand thinking of these precious lives - I am so sorry, precious babies - I am sure that they are haven no more pain..it's just so terrible !!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: But rescue shelter needs help] That is SO horrible! It really hits you hard when you go to the petfinder site and click to view the cats, and there aren't any listed.. they all burned alive in cages. Absolutely HORRIBLE. I can't stop crying.. this is so tragic. Maybe we could add them as a group to the CLS for next week? I guess that the furnace installation went bad? I saw they had the installation guy there when it happened. I would hope they could sue and recover some money to rebuild if that is the case! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.6/179 - Release Date: 11/23/2005
Re: photo of Brooklyn
Siggie says "Thank you!" Terri - Original Message - From: veggiepugs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: photo of Brooklyn Siggie...omg that is such a cute name. Hi Siggie! ---Original Message--- From: Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: photo of Brooklyn Sent: Nov 22 '05 21:35 He looks like my Siggie! =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! [LINK: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/] http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My Personal Page: [LINK: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350] http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - FROM: [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] veggiepugs TO: [LINK: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org] felvtalk@felineleukemia.org SENT: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:50 AM SUBJECT: Re: New Member Actually, DUH I have links to Brooklyn's Photos I can share...I forgot... [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1284.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1284.JPG [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1283.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1283.JPG [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1282.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1282.JPG [LINK: http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1281.JPG] http://www.compassionateplanet.com/images/Kitty/IMG_1281.JPG and here's my doggies website... [LINK: http://www.linusnlucy.com] http://www.linusnlucy.com enjoy! -Rebecca
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Okay here are the results this is long and took me forever to type ALK30 ALT 50 AST 42 ALBUMIN3 3 TOTAL PROTEIN85 GLOBULIN5 2 TOTAL BILIIRUBIN 0 1 DIRECT BILIRUBIN0 0 BUN18 CREATININE0 9 CHOLESTEROL168 GLUCOSE88 CALCIUM12.1 PHOSPHORUS8.0 CHLORIDE107 POTASSIUM5.8 SODIUM153 A/G RATIO06 B/C RATIO20 0 INDIRECT BILIRUBIN0 1 NA/K RATIO26 HEMOLYSIS INDEX25 LIPEMIA INDEX43 WBC15.6 RBC6.51 HGB 10.2 HCT31.7 MCV49 MCH15.7 MCHC32.2 NEUTROPHIL SEG79 LYMPHOCYTES12 MONOCYTES6 EOSINOPHIL3 AUTO PLATELET276 SLIDE REVIEWED MICROSCOPICALLY NO HEMOBARTONELLA (NOW CALLED MYCOPASMA) SEEN PLATELETS-CLUMPED ABSOLUTE NEUTROPHIL SEG12324 ABSOLUTE LYMPHOCYTE 1872 ABSOLUTE MONOCYTE936 ABSOLUTE EOSINOPHIL468 FIP ADD ON TEST: NO ANTIBODY PRESENT @ 1:100 - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: RE: New Member You can send a blood work to Dr. Addie at University of Glasgow and they can do a profile test for FIP - it's the closest diagnostic tool around, she has dedicated her last two decades on treatment/diagnosis of FIP - every time, I suspect FIP on my kitties, I consider using them --- Again, we will see what the blood work say when you post it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of carrie chance Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Member I have her on pedialite, took her off antibiotics (they werent helping) and have taken her to 3 vets, one suspects FIP, the other say its not FIP, and the 3rd gave her the pennicilan shot that she had the reaction to. So no one knows whats wrong...its really weird I will let you know this blood work tomarrow I will get it. Also you asked about a fever, no fever, just warm and her tummy though it looks like an fip tummy, it is not, but it fools vets into thinking so, because its bloaty looking, but it has always looked like this, I think just a shubby baby, thats all - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: RE: New Member Hi Carrie - Again, welcome to the list. That really is difficult, and tugs at my heart. My Lancelot just died, and seemed like he never thrived, poor baby. When he was sick, his 3rd eyelids would come out . He was less than a year when I got him, and maybe going on 2 when he died. I agree with the suggestions about interferon, also might try Lysine for the URI. 250 mg Lysine twice a day, with vitamin C mixed in. I use powder, mixed with wet food, or sometimes mix with water and use oral syringe to squirt it in the mouth. Sometimes the blood tests don't show much, or they don't get interpreted fully. For example, kitties can have kidney problems but it doesn't show up on the blood test. You might ask your vet about other kinds of antibiotics also - I've used Zeniquin, and it's helped enormously in some cases. Someone suggested Zithromax. I'd suggest being watchful when giving any drugs that kitty doesn't become dehydrated, that plenty of water is consumed or given as sub-q fluids. Someone elsewhere also mentioned blood parasites, and there's a test(s) for that. I really think about and wonder about these babies that just don't thrive, that don't get meat on their bones, and would like to know more about helping them thrive. Best of luck, Gloria At 04:29 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: It's on dr. addies' website, but interferon might be also depending on what the kitty has - I will be praying that your kitty would get better soon! -Original Message- Hi, Carrie, welcome to the list, and I am so sorry that your baby kitty is having a difficult time. One thing I would like to ask is that, could you post the blood work on the post? I really would like to take a look at it myself and read it. Especially TP and A/G ratio. If TP is high, and A/G ration is less than 0.2 - I might want to talk to you about another viral disease. If you haven't done already, you might want to send it to IDexx fro corona virus titer to see what it shows. Your kitty's condition reminds me of Henry so very much. Henry died after I gave him a couple of dosages of antibiotics called Baytrill - baytril is considered to be one of the safest drug and you would never hear that a cat dies from it, but Henry unfortunately did from the reaction from it. Not that the drug killed him directly, but somehow his immune system was already weak (he was thin, had chronic URIs, rough coat), and it further suppressed his immune system and killed him within 72 hours.
Re: New Member
Nah -- she's been meownipulated. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: Re: New Member Rebecca,It's so good to "meet" you and get to know you andBrooklyn P for Putty tat O'Malley. I cracked up whenI read that. I have news for you though. It soundslike you have been kitty-pated (like twitter-pated,but with kitties). Now that this kitty has stolenyour heart, you will never be the same. Have yougotten his stocking for Christmas yet? lol. I tellpeople that don't like cats that they've never beenloved by one. Being that Brooklyn is around five, then there's agood chance that he might fight off the FeLV virus andeventually test negative for it. Diet, supplements,and quality, informed care will help with this. Unfortunately, fate, the ever present X-factor, alsohas a say in Brooklyn's life. All you can do is yourbest.I hope you enjoy this group as I do.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Conflict on being vegan
I don't know, Wendy. I'm NOT a vegetarian, but I have friends who are. I don't understand that either. I personally don't think it's appropriate for cats, as their systems are built to digest raw flesh, but I would never pass judgment on a member who fed a vegan diet to their kitty. Just like I wouldn't want anyone to pass judgment on me for feeding dry. I don't have time to prepare home made meals for myself or my cats either! Guess the bottom line for me is "Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you". My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: Conflict on being vegan I have a question: why in the world would anyone takeoffense to the personal choice of being a vegan? Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of agroup? I don't understand this concept. I couldfathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan intheir cyber group, but the other way around? Cansomeone fill me in on why this would be? Justcurious. Thanks. I have no problem with what anyoneis doing as long as it isn't hurting anyone oranything, and being vegan does not qualify.__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: But rescue shelter needs help]
i gather they've been having some trouble with their heating system, and the guy had just installed a new furnace (?)--the explosion occurred when he was lighting the pilot.. i have a pretty good feeling it was NOT how he'd planned on ending his workday i think adding the critters to the CLS list is a WONDERFUL idea--i've posted it on our boards sigh. i'm not sure which is worst, actually, the loss of life, or the heartbreak of those who tried so hard to save them. i heard that the shelter director's cats were among those who were lost. GLOW GLOW GLOW... On 11/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is SO horrible! It really hits you hard when you go to the petfinder site and click to view the cats, and there aren't any listed.. they all burned alive in cages. Absolutely HORRIBLE. I can't stop crying.. this is so tragic. Maybe we could add them as a group to the CLS for next week? I guess that the furnace installation went bad? I saw they had the installation guy there when it happened. I would hope they could sue and recover some money to rebuild if that is the case! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.6/179 - Release Date: 11/23/2005 -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
A Veggie Thanksgiving to you all!
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Re: evil vegans...?
Rebecca, Kudos!! A very well written and informative post. Hugs, Patti
Re: A Veggie Thanksgiving to you all!
COOL!!! Thanks! Terri - Original Message - From: BONNIE J KALMBACH To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; Martin P. Kalmbach Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: A Veggie Thanksgiving to you all! http://www.jacquielawson.com/viewcard.asp?code=0187047768
Re: evil vegans...?
Wendy's remarks brought to mind an old story I heard in church once: An old man was walking along the beach after a storm. The beach was FULL of thousands of star fish. Eventually he came upon two small children running up and down the beach, picking up starfish and flinging them back into the ocean. The man said to the two children, "What are you doing? You can't possibly save them all, what difference do all your efforts make?" One of the children replied..."Wellit makes all the difference in the world to the ones we save."veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy-In response to your question...I have received opposition to my being vegan quite a few times. More often than not, people ask my why I'm vegan and grill me as to all the if's and's like "well what about plants, don't plants feel pain?"...check out www.askcarla.com for all the questions that people ask. She covers them all. People try and stump me, try and make me feel as though my choice is a ridiculous one. But, it's just that...it's my choice and I NEVER push it on anyone. My philosophy being a vegan is this: I choose this path because it is what suits ME and fits MY beliefs. If I expect tolerance from others, I have to have tolerance for their decisions as well. Sure I wish more of the world felt the same way about all animals to the extent that it might change their actions towards them, but for me to protest and force people and shove things in their face, be violent or obnoxious completely contradicts the very core of veganism...Compassion. If one feels compassion for living beings, that must include humans. We all live on the same planet. OK I'm getting a bit preachy here but, the point is, I have learned not to get angry. I just realize that very often, people like these are threatened by my choice, because somewhere deep down they feel remorse about their decisions. Those who are comfortable and secure in their choices react otherwise. They say to me "I admire that, but I could never do that". You should see some of these groups that are formed that are anti-vegan, anti-animal activists, they should just call themselves "anti-compassion" because really, that's how they behave. They're so angry and so hell-bent on getting the last word they forget to stop and take a look at what kind of person they are. Or, they don't care. Some people just have a malicious bone in their body that makes them want to be that way. Some people are so angry at the world and need everyone to know it. That is not what I personally want to be.I was once kicked out of a pug group because I asked ONE question about vegan diets for dogs in the wrong place. It was a simple, non-threatening question and boy was I attacked"how could you even consider that! how could you impose your beliefs on your own dog! its not right" basically telling me I was out of my mind if I thought that dogs could be on a vegan diet. I even asked them to give me the pros and cons and give me the benefit of their experience either way. Well, don't we impose on domestic animals to begin with? Whether we choose to feed them vegetables or meat...aren't we imposing our decision on them either way? Either way...it's not up to them. They don't get to choose what food they eat, or when, or how much. We do. I have a whol long essay on this, veganism, animals and natural behavior, I've written a lot of "articles" about the subject and yes, I used to be an angry vegetarian when I first started but I have learned a lot along the way and come to accept things for what they are and do my part in my corner of the world and make a difference in my corner. Many askhow can you think you're making a difference? And I say...if it makes a difference to oneit makes a difference. Someone here, I can't recall who has a signature quote that says something about saving one animal makes no difference in the world, but it makes a world of difference to that animal. So true. That in and of itself is a huge difference. How many people can say they changed or even saved a life in their lifetime? That's a huge thing. And it isn't just one person, it's millions of people around the world who feel as we do about animals and caring for them that make a collective difference. And it doesnt have to mean you have to be vegan to do that. Any step towards compassion and selflessness towards another human being is a step in the direction of making a difference. Little or big...a difference is a difference...to somebody. Hugs...RebeccaMessage: 5Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:53:36 -0800 (PST)From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Conflict on being veganTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1I have a question: why in the world would anyone takeoffense to the personal choice of being a vegan?Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of agroup? I don't understand this concept. I couldfathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan intheir
Re: Such a caring and loving group!
In a message dated 11/23/05 12:29:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been trying to get them to write a book for a year I think that's not only a great idea, but with all the knowledge the list members have, it surely would be a conceivable idea!! Patti
Re: Such a caring and loving group!
I've always thought so too There must be some way to compile all the ideas, opinions, and treatment experiences we've all had and put something together. It would be an ENORMOUS undertaking though... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Such a caring and loving group! In a message dated 11/23/05 12:29:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been trying to get them to write a book for a year I think that's not only a great idea, but with all the knowledge the list members have, it surely would be a conceivable idea!! Patti
Hilarious link / veggie thanksgiving
In light of recent veggie conversations, I thought you guys might enjoy this link. Turn your volume on and wait for the card to load. It is hilarious!!! http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/view.pd?i=382219626m=1652rr=ysou __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Conflict on being vegan
I've been veggie for um a little over 25 years. I made the transition gradually. It is interesting to get reactions. I'm not around people I don't know that much, but every now and then it's really weird to get people's reactions to how I choose to eat... I remember a long time ago interviewing at a company, and I knew the person who owned it from 10 years back, and he laughed and said what do you eat, grass?. I didn't take offense, it was just really odd. What different lives and realities we all have. (Like sprouting 2 heads - I like that!) Gloria At 12:54 PM 11/23/2005, you wrote: I was vegetarian for about 6 years and it just amazed me at how many people would monitor my eating habits. I wouldn't make an issue of it and I was flexible that if I was at a party or something I would eat whatever was served--with or without meat. Let me go to a restaurant with a group and bear in mind, I never called attention to the fact that I don't eat meat, my order would literally hijack the conversation. You would think I sprouted 2 heads or something. I do not know why what other people eat or don't eat bothers some people to the extent that it does. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question: why in the world would anyone take offense to the personal choice of being a vegan? Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of a group? I don't understand this concept. I could fathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan in their cyber group, but the other way around? Can someone fill me in on why this would be? Just curious. Thanks. I have no problem with what anyone is doing as long as it isn't hurting anyone or anything, and being vegan does not qualify. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
Re: Constipation
Don't know, but don't forget about LACTULOSE! Gloria At 02:10 PM 7/20/2005, you wrote: Will someone please tell me the dosage of pumpkin again. I filed it last time and promptly lost it.
Re: evil vegans...?
Wow Rebecca! I had no idea that people would even think that it's their place to comment on your personal eating habits. How odd. I do think that you are right though. Some people in the world DO just have a mean bone in their body or are miserable and want everyone around them to be so too. It's hard to understand. I suspect most if not all of these people are depressed. I am sorry you have had such an invasive reaction to your personal choice and to caring for your dogs. Even if you are not agreed with, it doesn't mean that it's ok to persecute you! Geez! It's not like you are beating the dogs or something! One thing is for sure. Ignorance lends itself to violence and injustice. We fear what we don't understand. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Conflict on being vegan
my brother-in-law asked me once, at a holiday dinner where i was NOT partaking of the main course, what? are you one of those people who kills innocent vegetables? it was said affectionately, and i took it that way. one of my favorite things to do, back in the days when i really was strictly vegetarian, was to cook up fancy big main courses, feed everyone and watch them scarf down--then REMIND them, at the end of the meal, that it had been meatless they never noticed, because it was good food! but i don't understand why how people eat, or love, or choose to live is ever open to judgment by others. to her dying day, my mother referred to the whole state of maine as, that god-forsaken wilderness you lived in. (i lived in bangor, btw) people! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: sarcoma? wart?
I do think that cats get warts. They also get lympomas (fatty lumps) and my cat Patches has a lot of them. I would get it checked though. Michelle
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 173
Funny you should say that...that's the story I got the concept from. It's called One Makes A Difference. So cool that you know that. ;) I read it in Chicken Soup for the Soul -Rebecca Wendy's remarks brought to mind an old story I heard in church once: An old man was walking along the beach after a storm. The beach was FULL of thousands of star fish. Eventually he came upon two small children running up and down the beach, picking up starfish and flinging them back into the ocean. The man said to the two children, What are you doing? You can't possibly save them all, what difference do all your efforts make? One of the children replied...Wellit makes all the difference in the world to the ones we save.
RE: Allie
So, here's what I'm confused about. We got chest XRays, and the vet is SURE that what we have is fluid, not a malignancy. She was given a diuretic and her breathing has improved quite a bit. She's not as active as a normal kitten should probably be, but she's running up and down the stairs and such, with significantly less pausing and heavy breathing than we were seeing previously. Of course, the diuretic didn't COMPLETELY take care of ALL of the fluid, but it's getting a little better, rather than progressively worse. She's on Clavamox for a secondary infection associated with the lungs (seems to be effective as far as my untrained senses can tell) and we're supplementing L-Lysine in her wet food. We're going in for opinions on further treatment on Monday with a feline specialist. So, here's my big question: does fluid in the lungs automatically mean she's wasting away? Is it tantamount to a death sentence? I searched the backlog and it was somewhat inconclusive. If the diuretics seem to be helping...I mean, is that a good sign? I'm just trying to get my bearing with how far along we are. Lo's Background: She was, as far as anyone can tell, born with this. She's 8 months old...she was found at 7-10 days old in a snowstorm, having not eaten...probably ever. She's always been thin, but this is the first time any vet has raised concern over her weight. She weighs 5lbs, 11oz. and is very small-framed and fairly thin to begin with. She's still eating both wet and dry on her own (though she is eating less dry...possibly because I've been giving her more wet) and she hasn't LOST weight...she just is no longer gaining as fast as kittens her age should. Temps normal, LB usage is normal and there have been no behavioral changes. Thanks for any advice or sharing any experience you have had! You guys are wonderful! Allie
