date:20051129

Hi all
I just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for the
London Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one of
her readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so naturally
is counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner sounds a
real cat lover :) so it would be great if she/the cats could find an
answer that was sure to work. Is there such a thing?  If anyone has any
ideas that they think would work better than those the reader has tried
already (see below) please let me know. Thanks in advance! Kerry

Dear Aggie
 
We have taken in 4 (adult) rescue cats, who it seems were never properly
toilet trained. Although they have been with us for a few years now, we
don't seem to be able to change their habits.
 
They have a favourite (big) patch of deep pile carpet which we try to
clean,
but it keeps on smelling - please, please...any ideas would be welcomed.

 
We have tried:
 
1) talking to the vets  researching whether they are stressed  whether
we
can re-train them
2) hiring a steam cleaner, but they could still smell the urine I
presume 
they re-fouled it almost immediately
3) we have had a local carpet cleaning firm in, still no joy
 
We are softie animal lovers  know that it is not their fault, but it is
really getting us down, so if you have any cleaning tips or contact
details
of a cat behaviourist, we would be very grateful.
 
If in the end we have to change the carpet, should we then seal or treat
the
planking underneath?
 
By the way, we live on the edge of Dartmoor  they have complete freedom
to
go out, but choose not to!! Little beasts!!
 
Any help or ideas will be gratefully appreciated,


 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:53 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Sigh...



Thank you everyone for your replies to my cries! lol. I was really
upset. I'm so upset that he's sick and doesn't feel 
well, but won't take the pill. I tried explaining it to him, and told
him how sorry I was...he ran away a few times and 
then when he was comfortable again he let me come back and pet and
cuddle with him and he purred. I talked it 
over with him but I don't think he'll be receptive to the idea ever
again. lol. Are they more receptive to shots than 
syringe? Forget the turkey juice, he wont even LOOK at the syringe much
less  let it near him. In a panic at 915 I 
called Petco (my LAST resort EVER) as one of the retailers listed for
pill pockets. This week is a rough week as far as 
extra cash goes, I've had to stretch it a LONG ways. The site said and
for only 4 or 5 dollars! yea right, I walk into 
Petco and THEY'RE selling them for 11 bucks for the bags sold for under
5 online! I yelped to the lady who helped 
me find them Holy crap! Eleven dollars! These are 4 bucks online! I
walked out astounded and ran to look for them 
elsewhere. I couldnt find them anywhere else, by the time I'd gone, it
was too late they were closed so i got some 
soft cat treats thinking I could shove the pills into the treat (which I
was able to) but he turned his nose up at them. 
Sigh. Jenn, i did try sitting on him, but again, as you said, there's
the problem with there being just me and no one 
to help with the front legs. At least not every day. I only see my
boyfriend on weekends so the rest of the week would 
be shot. :( I'll call the vet tomorrow and discuss other options. Maybe
I will have him boarded for treatment. I dunno. 
I hate having animals at the vet even for just that. I'm such a baby. I
cried my eyes out when I had to leave Linus 
overnight. Of course he was having surgery under anesthesia so I was a
MESS. If only I could describe his expression 
and behavior when we went to pick him up. I'll never forget it. (As he
sits here with his head and front paws on my 
lap my little puggy. I call him babyhead because his head is so little
and he looks like a baby pup. lol.) Gosh my 
emails are really long. Does everyone wanna kill me yet? lol. Thanks so
much everyone. I was so distressed. I dont 
want him to be sick anymore. I'm so worried and I hate stressing him
out. I cry easy when I get overwhelmed at 
things like this so I was a little over the edge earlier. Anyhow,
tomorrow's a new day and I can speak with the vet. 
Hugs,
Rebecca

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Re: Sigh...

also see if you could hire one of the vet assistants to come over and medicate poor kitty some of my friends have done that for pilling and doing sub-qs. there might be folks in local rescue groups who could help out, too. 


i truly have found that most don't mind injectibles at all; i think the idea of the transdermal gel is an excellent suggestion--i've never done it, but certainly would if need be.

as i said, i've gotten incredibly good at pilling even the most difficult cases, but that was from lots of practice at the sanctuary--and seriously STUDYING how the sanctuary director was able to do it so successfully. it was always terribly depressing to walk into a room of 100 cats and have them all run away at medication time--but lots of good exercise! (i repeat my earlier comment, tho, that persians are the hardest to medicate. luckily, as they get older, they tend to fight less--and they don't run as fast as some others, either)
-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892

Re: Impossible

What I do with Smoky, a now nearly 19 pound gorgeous boy who HATES being held and/or picked up, is that we are either on the bed or the floor and I'm sitting on my butt and have him positioned between my thighs so my legs are holding him, that way I have both hands free - when I can catch him (the boy is scary smart) it works like a charm. I've always put the pill or powder into a gel cap and use a pill shooter to get the cap back in his throat and then I have a squirt bottle and gently give him a bit of water to help wash it down. THEN, the most important part, I give him a treat! For a medicine you have to give for more than a day or two - instituting treat time immediately post pilling can be the only way to have kitty tolerate the pilling itself.Ninja was a dream to medicate, which was fortunate considering she got her meds twice a day. I would crush up her pills and put them in some baby food - watered down a bit and
 NO ONION - and use a syringe and then she got a treat of the baby food. When I started to get her meds ready, she came and sat by her treat dish watching me. All I had to do was lean over, gently hold her head with one hand, syringe with the other and that was that.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You sound like you had him on the counter, trying to hold him with just your arms.You really have to "sit" on him. Get his body between your legs as you kneel overhim, lock your feet together so he can't back out from under you, push his body downwith your crotch, and if all else fails, Scruff him by grabbing a big handful of neckskin and pulling it as tight as you can, and try getting the pill in with the otherhand. Realistically, you probably need someone to help you by holding his front legsreally well. If you have a strong helper that
 is able to hold the front legs, it wontbe near as hard to get the pill in his mouth. I have one that I have to have helpwith sometimes (luckily I have a live-in boyfriend). Cats are REALLY strong, and ifyou don't "have your bluff in" over them, there's really not much you can do tocontrol them without hurting them. My cats don't fight me so much because they knowbetter, one sharp "be still and take it like a man you sorry little sh*t!" and theyusually surrender to my prodding and plucking. Rescue cats are another story, some ofthem I don't even try to pill (I have one I can't even touch, so I know trying topill him would be impossible).Sometimes the fight is just NOT worth it. If it's going to be a battle, I just boardthem at the vet's office for the course of treatment, and pay to let the vet techsdeal with them.Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT
 rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlAdopt a FIV+ cat:http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who mustlive on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until sheearns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send themto!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has yourcat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable.Ask me today how you can test for Trich!-- No virus found
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Re: Impossible

i've heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put those
stories in the same category as alien-abduction

On 11/29/05, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What I do with Smoky, a now nearly 19 pound gorgeous boy who HATES being
 held and/or picked up, is that we are either on the bed or the floor and I'm
 sitting on my butt and have him positioned between my thighs so my legs are
 holding him, that way I have both hands free - when I can catch him (the boy
 is scary smart) it works like a charm.  I've always put the pill or powder
 into a gel cap and use a pill shooter to get the cap back in his throat and
 then I have a squirt bottle and gently give him a bit of water to help wash
 it down.  THEN, the most important part, I give him a treat!  For a medicine
 you have to give for more than a day or two - instituting treat time
 immediately post pilling can be the only way to have kitty tolerate the
 pilling itself.

 Ninja was a dream to medicate, which was fortunate considering she got her
 meds twice a day.  I would crush up her pills and put them in some baby food
 - watered down a bit and NO ONION - and use a syringe and then she got a
 treat of the baby food.  When I started to get her meds ready, she came and
 sat by her treat dish watching me.  All I had to do was lean over, gently
 hold her head with one hand, syringe with the other and that was that.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You sound like you had him on the counter, trying to hold him with just your
 arms.
 You really have to sit on him. Get his body between your legs as you kneel
 over
 him, lock your feet together so he can't back out from under you, push his
 body down
 with your crotch, and if all else fails, Scruff him by grabbing a big
 handful of neck
 skin and pulling it as tight as you can, and try getting the pill in with
 the other
 hand. Realistically, you probably need someone to help you by holding his
 front legs
 really well. If you have a strong helper that is able to hold the front
 legs, it wont
 be near as hard to get the pill in his mouth. I have one that I have to have
 help
 with sometimes (luckily I have a live-in boyfriend). Cats are REALLY strong,
 and if
 you don't have your bluff in over them, there's really not much you can do
 to
 control them without hurting them. My cats don't fight me so much because
 they know
 better, one sharp be still and take it like a man you sorry little sh*t!
 and they
 usually surrender to my prodding and plucking. Rescue cats are another
 story, some of
 them I don't even try to pill (I have one I can't even touch, so I know
 trying to
 pill him would be impossible).

 Sometimes the fight is just NOT worth it. If it's going to be a battle, I
 just board
 them at the vet's office for the course of treatment, and pay to let the vet
 techs
 deal with them.

 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
 http://ucat.us/adopt.html
 Adopt a FIV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
 Adopt a FELV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
 ~~~
 I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat
 who must
 live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
 Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up
 until she
 earns a free can of formula!
 PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to
 send them
 to!
 ~
 Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or
 has your
 cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
 Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it
 curable.
 Ask me today how you can test for Trich!



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 My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
 his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.
 - Anonymous

 
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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I actually have a few of those "easy to medicate" kitties, but the ones that stay on my mind are the two I have who would rather let me break their neck trying to get a pill...or even liquid...down them than take it willingly! And of course they are the ones who need meds most often!TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put thosestories in the same category as alien-abductionOn 11/29/05, Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: What I do with Smoky, a now nearly 19 pound gorgeous boy who HATES being held and/or picked up, is that we are either on the bed or the floor and I'm sitting on my butt and have him positioned between my thighs so my legs are holding him, that way I have both hands free - when I can catch him (the boy is
scary smart) it works like a charm. I've always put the pill or powder into a gel cap and use a pill shooter to get the cap back in his throat and then I have a squirt bottle and gently give him a bit of water to help wash it down. THEN, the most important part, I give him a treat! For a medicine you have to give for more than a day or two - instituting treat time immediately post pilling can be the only way to have kitty tolerate the pilling itself. Ninja was a dream to medicate, which was fortunate considering she got her meds twice a day. I would crush up her pills and put them in some baby food - watered down a bit and NO ONION - and use a syringe and then she got a treat of the baby food. When I started to get her meds ready, she came and sat by her treat dish watching me. All I had to do was lean over, gently hold her head with one hand, syringe with the other and that was
that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sound like you had him on the counter, trying to hold him with just your arms. You really have to "sit" on him. Get his body between your legs as you kneel over him, lock your feet together so he can't back out from under you, push his body down with your crotch, and if all else fails, Scruff him by grabbing a big handful of neck skin and pulling it as tight as you can, and try getting the pill in with the other hand. Realistically, you probably need someone to help you by holding his front legs really well. If you have a strong helper that is able to hold the front legs, it wont be near as hard to get the pill in his mouth. I have one that I have to have help with sometimes (luckily I have a live-in boyfriend). Cats are REALLY strong, and if you don't "have your bluff in" over them,
there's really not much you can do to control them without hurting them. My cats don't fight me so much because they know better, one sharp "be still and take it like a man you sorry little sh*t!" and they usually surrender to my prodding and plucking. Rescue cats are another story, some of them I don't even try to pill (I have one I can't even touch, so I know trying to pill him would be impossible). Sometimes the fight is just NOT worth it. If it's going to be a battle, I just board them at the vet's office for the course of treatment, and pay to let the vet techs deal with them. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No
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Re: toilet training help needed for adult cats

First off, the only thing that works on the odor is aliquidenzyme cleaner. Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both excellent. The area in question must also be completely saturated with the cleaner in order for it to work properly.If at all possible, you shouldconfine them to a smaller space until they learn about the boxes and have them out of that space only when being supervised.Putlitter boxes in their favorite spot(s) and use some old rags/towels instead of litter, since they don't seem to connect litter to potty. When they do their businessin the box, praise them and give them a treat. Once they get accustomed to using the box for their business, slowly start switching over to litter.I'm doing something like this at the moment because Smoky has just gotten over his 2nd bout of interstitial cystitis and he thinks it's OK to tinkle anywhere.
"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for theLondon Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one ofher readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so naturallyis counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner sounds areal cat lover :) so it would be great if she/the cats could find ananswer that was sure to work. Is there such a thing? If anyone has anyideas that they think would work better than those the reader has triedalready (see below) please let me know. Thanks in advance! KerryDear AggieWe have taken in 4 (adult) rescue cats, who it seems were never properlytoilet trained. Although they have been with us for a few years now, wedon't seem to be able
to change their habits.They have a favourite (big) patch of deep pile carpet which we try toclean,but it keeps on smelling - please, please...any ideas would be welcomed.We have tried:1) talking to the vets researching whether they are stressed whetherwecan re-train them2) hiring a steam cleaner, but they could still smell the urine Ipresume they re-fouled it almost immediately3) we have had a local carpet cleaning firm in, still no joyWe are softie animal lovers know that it is not their fault, but it isreally getting us down, so if you have any cleaning tips or contactdetailsof a cat behaviourist, we would be very grateful.If in the end we have to change the carpet, should we then seal or treattheplanking underneath?By the way, we live on the edge of Dartmoor they have complete freedomtogo out, but choose not to!! Little beasts!!Any
help or ideas will be gratefully appreciated,-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugsSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:53 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Sigh...Thank you everyone for your replies to my cries! lol. I was reallyupset. I'm so upset that he's sick and doesn't feel well, but won't take the pill. I tried explaining it to him, and toldhim how sorry I was...he ran away a few times and then when he was comfortable again he let me come back and pet andcuddle with him and he purred. I talked it over with him but I don't think he'll be receptive to the idea everagain. lol. Are they more receptive to shots than syringe? Forget the turkey juice, he wont even LOOK at the syringe muchless let it near him. In a panic at 915 I called Petco (my LAST resort EVER) as one of the retailers
listed forpill pockets. This week is a rough week as far as extra cash goes, I've had to stretch it a LONG ways. The site said "andfor only 4 or 5 dollars!" yea right, I walk into Petco and THEY'RE selling them for 11 bucks for the bags sold for under5 online! I yelped to the lady who helped me find them "Holy crap! Eleven dollars! These are 4 bucks online!" Iwalked out astounded and ran to look for them elsewhere. I couldnt find them anywhere else, by the time I'd gone, itwas too late they were closed so i got some soft cat treats thinking I could shove the pills into the treat (which Iwas able to) but he turned his nose up at them. Sigh. Jenn, i did try "sitting" on him, but again, as you said, there'sthe problem with there being just me and no one to help with the front legs. At least not every day. I only see myboyfriend on weekends so the rest of the week would be shot. :( I'll call the vet tomorrow and discuss
other options. MaybeI will have him boarded for treatment. I dunno. I hate having animals at the vet even for just that. I'm such a baby. Icried my eyes out when I had to leave Linus overnight. Of course he was having surgery under anesthesia so I was aMESS. If only I could describe his _expression_ and behavior when we went to pick him up. I'll never forget it. (As hesits here with his head and front paws on my lap my little puggy. I call him babyhead because his head is so littleand he looks like a baby pup. lol.) Gosh my emails are really long. Does everyone wanna kill me yet? lol. Thanks somuch everyone. I was so distressed. I dont want him to be sick anymore. I'm so worried and I hate

Re: Impossible

MOL, I will also add that Ninja was not a normal healthy cat. She had been abused and was imprinted on humans, so her responses weren't always typical feline.TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put thosestories in the same category as alien-abductionOn 11/29/05, Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: What I do with Smoky, a now nearly 19 pound gorgeous boy who HATES being held and/or picked up, is that we are either on the bed or the floor and I'm sitting on my butt and have him positioned between my thighs so my legs are holding him, that way I have both hands free - when I can catch him (the boy is scary smart) it works like a charm. I've always put the pill or powder into a gel cap and use a pill
shooter to get the cap back in his throat and then I have a squirt bottle and gently give him a bit of water to help wash it down. THEN, the most important part, I give him a treat! For a medicine you have to give for more than a day or two - instituting treat time immediately post pilling can be the only way to have kitty tolerate the pilling itself. Ninja was a dream to medicate, which was fortunate considering she got her meds twice a day. I would crush up her pills and put them in some baby food - watered down a bit and NO ONION - and use a syringe and then she got a treat of the baby food. When I started to get her meds ready, she came and sat by her treat dish watching me. All I had to do was lean over, gently hold her head with one hand, syringe with the other and that was that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sound like you had him on the counter, trying to hold
him with just your arms. You really have to "sit" on him. Get his body between your legs as you kneel over him, lock your feet together so he can't back out from under you, push his body down with your crotch, and if all else fails, Scruff him by grabbing a big handful of neck skin and pulling it as tight as you can, and try getting the pill in with the other hand. Realistically, you probably need someone to help you by holding his front legs really well. If you have a strong helper that is able to hold the front legs, it wont be near as hard to get the pill in his mouth. I have one that I have to have help with sometimes (luckily I have a live-in boyfriend). Cats are REALLY strong, and if you don't "have your bluff in" over them, there's really not much you can do to control them without hurting them. My cats don't fight me
so much because they know better, one sharp "be still and take it like a man you sorry little sh*t!" and they usually surrender to my prodding and plucking. Rescue cats are another story, some of them I don't even try to pill (I have one I can't even touch, so I know trying to pill him would be impossible). Sometimes the fight is just NOT worth it. If it's going to be a battle, I just board them at the vet's office for the course of treatment, and pay to let the vet techs deal with them. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database:
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RE: toilet training help needed for adult cats

Title: Message



Thanks 
SO much Barb. This is perfect! The person sounds like a real genuine cat person, 
soI feel sure that she will follow your instructions. (As we know, a lot 
of folks would just think, "I don't think so", and take the cats off to the 
nearest shelter/pound.)

I'm 
going to pushAgto putthe whole Q  A in her column (as 
well as responding to the reader directly which she always does)---maybe it will 
save some cats' lives. (Isn't this the number one reason catsend up 
gettingeuthanized?)

What's 
"nbsp" by the way?!

Kerry





-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 
10:02 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: toilet 
training help needed for adult cats
First off, the only thing that works on the odor is 
aliquidenzyme cleaner. Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both 
excellent. The area in question must also be completely saturated with the 
cleaner in order for it to work properly.

If at all possible, you shouldconfine them to a smaller space until 
they learn about the boxes and have them out of that space only when being 
supervised.Putlitter boxes in their favorite spot(s) and use some 
old rags/towels instead of litter, since they don't seem to connect litter to 
potty. When they do their businessin the box, praise them and give 
them a treat. Once they get accustomed to using the box for their 
business, slowly start switching over to litter.

I'm doing something like this at the moment because Smoky has just gotten 
over his 2nd bout of interstitial cystitis and he thinks it's OK to tinkle 
anywhere.! nbsp; 
"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi 
  allI just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for 
  theLondon Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one 
  ofher readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so 
  naturallyis counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner 
  sounds areal cat lover :) so it would be great if she/the cats could 
  find ananswer that was sure to work. Is there such a thing? If anyone has 
  anyideas that they think would work better than those the reader has 
  triedalready (see below) please let me know. Thanks in advance! 
  KerryDear AggieWe have taken in 4 (adult) rescue cats, who it 
  seems were never properlytoilet trained. Although they have been with us 
  for a few years now, wedon't seem to! be able to change their 
  habits.They have a favourite (big) patch of deep pile carpet which we 
  try toclean,but it keeps on smelling - please, please...any ideas 
  would be welcomed.We have tried:1) talking to the vets 
   researching whether they are stressed  whetherwecan 
  re-train them2) hiring a steam cleaner, but they could still smell the 
  urine Ipresume they re-fouled it almost immediately3) we have 
  had a local carpet cleaning firm in, still no joyWe are softie animal 
  lovers  know that it is not their fault, but it isreally getting us 
  down, so if you have any cleaning tips or contactdetailsof a cat 
  behaviourist, we would be very grateful.If in the end we have to 
  change the carpet, should we then seal or treattheplanking 
  underneath?By the way, we live on the edge of Dartmoor  they have 
  complete freedomtogo out, but choose not to!! Little beasts!!! 
  Any help or ideas will be gratefully 
  appreciated,-Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of veggiepugsSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:53 AMTo: 
  Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Sigh...Thank you 
  everyone for your replies to my cries! lol. I was reallyupset. I'm so 
  upset that he's sick and doesn't feel well, but won't take the pill. I 
  tried explaining it to him, and toldhim how sorry I was...he ran away a 
  few times and then when he was comfortable again he let me come back and 
  pet andcuddle with him and he purred. I talked it over with him but I 
  don't think he'll be receptive to the idea everagain. lol. Are they more 
  receptive to shots than syringe? Forget the turkey juice, he wont even 
  LOOK at the syringe muchless let it near him. In a panic at 915 I 
  called Petco (my LAST resort EVER) as one of the ! retailers listed 
  forpill pockets. This week is a rough week as far as extra cash goes, 
  I've had to stretch it a LONG ways. The site said "andfor only 4 or 5 
  dollars!" yea right, I walk into Petco and THEY'RE selling them for 11 
  bucks for the bags sold for under5 online! I yelped to the lady who helped 
  me find them "Holy crap! Eleven dollars! These are 4 bucks online!" 
  Iwalked out astounded and ran to look for them elsewhere. I couldnt 
  find them anywhere else, by the time I'd gone, itwas too late they were 
  closed so i got some soft cat treats thinking I could shove the pills into 
  the treat (which Iwas able to) but he turned his nose up at them. 
  Sigh. Jenn, i did try "sitting" on him,

Re: toilet training help needed for adult cats

kerry:

check out this link: http://www.preciouscat.com/WebPages/catattract.html

cat attract litter has worked for MANY MANY rescue folks i know of;
i've used it myself with good results (it's not the best for a LOT of
cats at once, just because it sort of cements up--but most folks don't
have the number of cats i do!)

they even have a UK distributor, who is NOT mentioned on their
website--yep, i called! R  L Pet Products, in W Sussex,
44-1273-454-005.

DEFINITELY worth a shot--plus, there's a booklet that comes along with
each bag that's got a lot of good suggestions in it


--
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

For Michelle UK: toilet training help needed for adult cats + enzyme Q

Title: Message



Anti-Icky Poo and 
Liqui-Zyme are both excellent.

A 
thought---these brand names won't be available in UK---Michelle--do you happen 
to know ofa UK brandthat works really well? 
Or, 
does anyone know the effective ingredient to look foron the packaging? 
Hopefully the ingred names are the same in both countries.



-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 
2005 10:13 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: 
toilet training help needed for adult cats
Thanks 
SO much Barb. This is perfect! The person sounds like a real genuine cat person, 
soI feel sure that she will follow your instructions. (As we know, a lot 
of folks would just think, "I don't think so", and take the cats off to the 
nearest shelter/pound.)

I'm 
going to pushAgto putthe whole Q  A in her column (as 
well as responding to the reader directly which she always does)---maybe it will 
save some cats' lives. (Isn't this the number one reason catsend up 
gettingeuthanized?)

What's 
"nbsp" by the way?!

Kerry





-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 
10:02 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: toilet 
training help needed for adult cats
First off, the only thing that works on the odor is 
aliquidenzyme cleaner. Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both 
excellent. The area in question must also be completely saturated with the 
cleaner in order for it to work properly.

If at all possible, you shouldconfine them to a smaller space until 
they learn about the boxes and have them out of that space only when being 
supervised.Putlitter boxes in their favorite spot(s) and use some 
old rags/towels instead of litter, since they don't seem to connect litter to 
potty. When they do their businessin the box, praise them and give 
them a treat. Once they get accustomed to using the box for their 
business, slowly start switching over to litter.

I'm doing something like this at the moment because Smoky has just gotten 
over his 2nd bout of interstitial cystitis and he thinks it's OK to tinkle 
anywhere.! nbsp; 
"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi 
  allI just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for 
  theLondon Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one 
  ofher readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so 
  naturallyis counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner 
  sounds areal cat lover :) so it would be great if she/the cats could 
  find ananswer that was sure to work. Is there such a thing? If anyone has 
  anyideas that they think would work better than those the reader has 
  triedalready (see below) please let me know. Thanks in advance! 
  KerryDear AggieWe have taken in 4 (adult) rescue cats, who it 
  seems were never properlytoilet trained. Although they have been with us 
  for a few years now, wedon't seem to! be able to change their 
  habits.They have a favourite (big) patch of deep pile carpet which we 
  try toclean,but it keeps on smelling - please, please...any ideas 
  would be welcomed.We have tried:1) talking to the vets 
   researching whether they are stressed  whetherwecan 
  re-train them2) hiring a steam cleaner, but they could still smell the 
  urine Ipresume they re-fouled it almost immediately3) we have 
  had a local carpet cleaning firm in, still no joyWe are softie animal 
  lovers  know that it is not their fault, but it isreally getting us 
  down, so if you have any cleaning tips or contactdetailsof a cat 
  behaviourist, we would be very grateful.If in the end we have to 
  change the carpet, should we then seal or treattheplanking 
  underneath?By the way, we live on the edge of Dartmoor  they have 
  complete freedomtogo out, but choose not to!! Little beasts!!! 
  Any help or ideas will be gratefully 
  appreciated,-Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of veggiepugsSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:53 AMTo: 
  Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Sigh...Thank you 
  everyone for your replies to my cries! lol. I was reallyupset. I'm so 
  upset that he's sick and doesn't feel well, but won't take the pill. I 
  tried explaining it to him, and toldhim how sorry I was...he ran away a 
  few times and then when he was comfortable again he let me come back and 
  pet andcuddle with him and he purred. I talked it over with him but I 
  don't think he'll be receptive to the idea everagain. lol. Are they more 
  receptive to shots than syringe? Forget the turkey juice, he wont even 
  LOOK at the syringe muchless let it near him. In a panic at 915 I 
  called Petco (my LAST resort EVER) as one of the ! retailers listed 
  forpill pockets. This week is a rough week as far as extra cash goes, 
  I've had to stretch it a LONG ways. The site said "andfor only 4 or 5

Re: Impossible

LOL MC, Doobie is easy to medicate - Once you catch him. He runs and hides and 
runs
and runs, but once you corner him and grab him, he resigns himself to his fate, 
and
isn't any trouble. He's chronic anemic, so he gets vity-mighty-mins 
occasionally. I
usually torment him by saying out really loud Dobi, it's TIME for your
VITY-MIGHTY-MIS! at which point the chase is on, LOL! It's kinda a game 
for us
really, he's actually no trouble at all.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!
~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has 
your
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it 
curable.
Ask me today how you can test for Trich!



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RE: toilet training help needed for adult cats

You guys are just great. Thank you so much MaryChristine, and for
finding out about UK distributor. 
This is just wonderful.
My sister is a good person, but she is NOT a cat person (none of my
family are)--she's actually scared of cats. I'm also hoping this will
bring her around a littleshe's in a useful position to advocate were
she inclined. Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: toilet training help needed for adult cats


kerry:

check out this link: http://www.preciouscat.com/WebPages/catattract.html

cat attract litter has worked for MANY MANY rescue folks i know of;
i've used it myself with good results (it's not the best for a LOT of
cats at once, just because it sort of cements up--but most folks don't
have the number of cats i do!)

they even have a UK distributor, who is NOT mentioned on their
website--yep, i called! R  L Pet Products, in W Sussex,
44-1273-454-005.

DEFINITELY worth a shot--plus, there's a booklet that comes along with
each bag that's got a lot of good suggestions in it


--
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

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I'm one of the few that don't know of this listthis is great! I now
have a great package of ideas to send on!! 
I SO appreciate all this info!! Thank you thank you!

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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: toilet training help needed for adult cats

http://catsinternational.org/articles/housesoiling/unabridged_litterbox_
1.html

http://catsinternational.org/articles/housesoiling/unabridged_litterbox_
2.html

for those few of you who don't know already, catsinternational.org is
a great resource for all sorts of behavioral questions

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Re: toilet training help needed for adult cats

um, i was TERRIFIED of cats, and thought i hated the little beasts
til one of my shelties brought one home back in '75. after the
current dogs in the family at that time passed on, i haven't had one
since. cats, well, we KNOW that's another story! (people who knew
me in the first 26 years of my life, when i adored dogs and hated cats
can hardly believe where my life has gone!) so there's hope for your
sister yet! (even my mother, who REALLY hated and was afraid of them
said, on the last day of a week-long visit where she slept in a room
that was screened off, well, i can see how they'd sort of grow on
you)

MC
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Re: Impossible

i'm firmly convinced that my cats LOVE to watch mommy run around the
house after them with a loaded syringe as i said, great
exercise

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Re: Sigh...

not all persians are so badly bred, but way too many are but their
personalities are so wonderful. sadly, the one good thing about
loving persians is that there are ALWAYS more than enough of them in
rescue, so i will never have to be without one in my life. (one? yeah,
i can't remember how far back it was that i only had one persian!) i
STILL think they're incredibly funny-looking, but in such an endearing
way



On 11/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, MC is right, if you ever want a challenge, try pilling a Persian! They
 don't have mouths, they have little cracks in the front of their heads which
 somehow is able to suffice as an orifice to get food into their bodies.
 Those two I had here for a while in rescue were a totally new experience. I
 used to love Persians (the look of them) before I had one, now I view them
 as deformed creatures built by humans in a way that pleases humans but is
 not the best design for the cats themselves. Their little mouth crack
 opens only about 3/4 an inch, they constantly struggle to breathe right, and
 they are known as a breed that commonly has heart murmurs. One of the two I
 had had a grade5 murmur, and died from it. I will never support the breeding
 of that breed now, miserable little deformities is what they are! I can't
 understand why we humans find so much happiness in building animals that
 can't even function normally. It baffles me. Stupid stupid stupid us!

 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
 http://ucat.us/adopt.html
 Adopt a FIV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
 Adopt a FELV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
 ~~~
 I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat
 who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
 Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up
 until she earns a free can of formula!
 PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to
 send them to!
 ~
 Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or
 has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
 Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it
 curable.
 Ask me today how you can test for Trich!
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Re: Sigh...

I didn't know humans created the Persian???  Were they
created by breeding a Pug with a long haired cat?  No
seriously...how did Persians come about?

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, MC is right, if you ever want a challenge, try
 pilling a Persian! They don't have mouths, they have
 little cracks in the front of their heads which
 somehow is able to suffice as an orifice to get food
 into their bodies. Those two I had here for a while
 in rescue were a totally new experience. I used to
 love Persians (the look of them) before I had one,
 now I view them as deformed creatures built by
 humans in a way that pleases humans but is not the
 best design for the cats themselves. Their little
 mouth crack opens only about 3/4 an inch, they
 constantly struggle to breathe right, and they are
 known as a breed that commonly has heart murmurs.
 One of the two I had had a grade5 murmur, and died
 from it. I will never support the breeding of that
 breed now, miserable little deformities is what they
 are! I can't understand why we humans find so much
 happiness in building animals that can't even
 function normally. It baffles me. Stupid stupid
 stupid us!
 
 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
 http://ucat.us/adopt.html  
 Adopt a FIV+ cat: 
 http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
 Adopt a FELV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html

~~~
 I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3
 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid
 diet for the rest of his life.
 Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to
 KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of
 formula!
 PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for
 Bazil!
 If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me
 for the NEW address to send them to!

~
 Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not
 respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely
 diagnosed as IBD? 
 Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is
 new, the new drug makes it curable. 
 Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus
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Re: For Michelle UK: toilet training help needed for adult cats + enzyme Q

actually Kerry, I just spoke with Anti-Icky Poo and they are negotiating with Pets @ Home (British pet stores) and it should be available there in 3-4 weeks. If you give me this gal's email, I will send it to Richard, the guy at Anti-Icky Poo and he'll give it to Ken, the guy at Pets @ Home and Ken can contact her when he has product:)do I rock or what?"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both excellent.A thought---these brand names won't be
available in UK---Michelle--do you happen to know ofa UK brandthat works really well? Or, does anyone know the effective ingredient to look foron the packaging? Hopefully the ingred names are the same in both countries.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:13 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: toilet training help needed for adult cats Thanks SO much Barb. This is perfect! The person sounds like a real genuine cat person, soI feel sure that she will follow your instructions. (As we know, a lot of folks would just think, "I don't think so", and take the cats off to the nearest shelter/pound.)I'm going to pushAgto putthe whole Q A in her column (as well as responding to the reader directly which she always does)---maybe it will save some cats' lives. (Isn't this the number one reason catsend up gettingeuthanized?)What's
"nbsp" by the way?!Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:02 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: toilet training help needed
for adult cats First off, the only thing that works on the odor is aliquidenzyme cleaner. Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both excellent. The area in question must also be completely saturated with the cleaner in order for it to work properly.If at all possible, you shouldconfine them to a smaller space until they learn about the boxes and have them out of that space only when being supervised.Putlitter boxes in their favorite spot(s) and use some old rags/towels instead of litter, since they don't seem to connect litter to potty. When they do their businessin the box, praise them and give them a treat. Once they get accustomed to using the box for their business, slowly start switching over to litter.I'm doing something like this at the moment because Smoky has just gotten over his 2nd bout of interstitial cystitis and he thinks
it's OK to tinkle anywhere.! nbsp; "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for theLondon Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one ofher readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so naturallyis counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner sounds areal cat lover :) so it would be great if she/the cats could find ananswer that was sure to work. Is there such a thing? If anyone has anyideas that they think would work better than those the reader has triedalready (see below) please let me know. Thanks in advance! KerryDear AggieWe have taken in 4 (adult) rescue cats, who it seems were never properlytoilet trained. Although they have been with us for a
few years now, wedon't seem to! be able to change their habits.They have a favourite (big) patch of deep pile carpet which we try toclean,but it keeps on smelling - please, please...any ideas would be welcomed.We have tried:1) talking to the vets researching whether they are stressed whetherwecan re-train them2) hiring a steam cleaner, but they could still smell the urine Ipresume they re-fouled it almost immediately3) we have had a local carpet cleaning firm in, still no joyWe are softie animal lovers know that it is not their fault, but it isreally getting us down, so if you have any cleaning tips or contactdetailsof a cat behaviourist, we would be very grateful.If in the end we have to change the carpet, should we then seal or treattheplanking underneath?By the way, we live on the edge of Dartmoor they have complete freedomtogo out, but
choose not to!! Little beasts!!! Any help or ideas will be gratefully appreciated,-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugsSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:53 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Sigh...Thank you everyone for your replies to my cries! lol. I was reallyupset. I'm so upset that he's sick and doesn't feel well, but won't take the pill. I tried explaining it to him, and toldhim how sorry I was...he ran away a few times and then when he was comfortable again he let me come back and pet andcuddle with him and he purred. I talked it over with him but I don't think he'll be receptive to the idea everagain. lol. Are they more receptive to shots than syringe? Forget the turkey juice, he wont even

Re: Impossible

You're so funny!  My felv babies were easy to medicate, but they were 
bottle babies and trusted me completely.  I have the full gamut here, 
those that are easy, those that can be easily restrained, and those that 
would rather kill me than submit to taking a pill!


TenHouseCats wrote:


i've heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put those
stories in the same category as alien-abduction

Re: For Michelle UK: toilet training help needed for adult cats + enzyme Q

and in the meantime - the type of cleaner needed is a live bacterial enzyme solution - these little guys are what eat organic stinky stuff. Am now going to check w/LiquiZyme:)Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:actually Kerry, I just spoke with Anti-Icky Poo and they are negotiating with Pets @ Home (British pet stores) and it should be available there in 3-4 weeks. If you give me this gal's email, I will send it to Richard, the guy at Anti-Icky Poo and he'll give it to Ken, the guy at Pets @ Home and Ken can contact her when he has product:)do I rock or what?"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both excellent.A thought---these brand names won't be available in UK---Michelle--do you happen to know ofa UK brandthat works really well? Or, does anyone know the effective ingredient to look foron the packaging? Hopefully the ingred names are the same in both countries.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:13 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: toilet training help needed for adult cats Thanks SO much Barb. This is perfect! The person sounds like a real genuine cat person, soI feel sure that she will follow your instructions. (As we know, a lot of folks would just think, "I don't think so", and take the cats off to the nearest shelter/pound.)I'm going to pushAgto putthe whole Q A in her column (as well as responding to the
reader directly which she always does)---maybe it will save some cats' lives. (Isn't this the number one reason catsend up gettingeuthanized?)What's "nbsp" by the way?!Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:02 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: toilet training help needed for adult cats First off, the only thing that works on the odor is aliquidenzyme cleaner. Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are both excellent. The area in question must also be completely saturated with the cleaner in order for it to work properly.If at all possible, you shouldconfine them to a smaller space until they learn about the boxes and have them out of that space only when being supervised.Putlitter boxes in their favorite spot(s) and use some old rags/towels instead of litter, since they don't seem to
connect litter to potty. When they do their businessin the box, praise them and give them a treat. Once they get accustomed to using the box for their business, slowly start switching over to litter.I'm doing something like this at the moment because Smoky has just gotten over his 2nd bout of interstitial cystitis and he thinks it's OK to tinkle anywhere.! nbsp; "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for theLondon Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one ofher readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so naturallyis counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner sounds areal cat lover :) so it would be great if she/the cats could
find ananswer that was sure to work. Is there such a thing? If anyone has anyideas that they think would work better than those the reader has triedalready (see below) please let me know. Thanks in advance! KerryDear AggieWe have taken in 4 (adult) rescue cats, who it seems were never properlytoilet trained. Although they have been with us for a few years now, wedon't seem to! be able to change their habits.They have a favourite (big) patch of deep pile carpet which we try toclean,but it keeps on smelling - please, please...any ideas would be welcomed.We have tried:1) talking to the vets researching whether they are stressed whetherwecan re-train them2) hiring a steam cleaner, but they could still smell the urine Ipresume they re-fouled it almost immediately3) we have had a local carpet cleaning firm in, still no joyWe are softie animal lovers know that it
is not their fault, but it isreally getting us down, so if you have any cleaning tips or contactdetailsof a cat behaviourist, we would be very grateful.If in the end we have to change the carpet, should we then seal or treattheplanking underneath?By the way, we live on the edge of Dartmoor they have complete freedomtogo out, but choose not to!! Little beasts!!! Any help or ideas will be gratefully appreciated,-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugsSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:53 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Sigh...Thank you everyone for your replies to my cries! lol. I was reallyupset. I'm so upset that he's sick and doesn't feel well, but won't take the pill. I tried explaining it to him, and toldhim how sorry I was...he ran away a few times and
then when he was comfortable again he let me come back and

Re: Impossible

When I was having to daily medicate Gracie, I found that even thinking 
about pill time would send her scurrying.  I would have to keep 
something else in my mind, (birds fluttering worked best!), or I 
wouldn't be able to find her when I had the pill popper ready :) .

N

TenHouseCats wrote:


i'm firmly convinced that my cats LOVE to watch mommy run around the
house after them with a loaded syringe as i said, great
exercise

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Re: Sigh...

well, humans didn't INVENT them, but they certainly have been
responsible for turning them into the extreme-faced things you see at
shows now. doll-faced persians have much less extreme faces, and
far fewer breathing and eye problems here's one take on their
origin: http://www.persian-cat-persian-cats.com/

On 11/29/05, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I didn't know humans created the Persian???  Were they
 created by breeding a Pug with a long haired cat?  No
 seriously...how did Persians come about?

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Yes, MC is right, if you ever want a challenge, try
  pilling a Persian! They don't have mouths, they have
  little cracks in the front of their heads which
  somehow is able to suffice as an orifice to get food
  into their bodies. Those two I had here for a while
  in rescue were a totally new experience. I used to
  love Persians (the look of them) before I had one,
  now I view them as deformed creatures built by
  humans in a way that pleases humans but is not the
  best design for the cats themselves. Their little
  mouth crack opens only about 3/4 an inch, they
  constantly struggle to breathe right, and they are
  known as a breed that commonly has heart murmurs.
  One of the two I had had a grade5 murmur, and died
  from it. I will never support the breeding of that
  breed now, miserable little deformities is what they
  are! I can't understand why we humans find so much
  happiness in building animals that can't even
  function normally. It baffles me. Stupid stupid
  stupid us!
 
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Re: Impossible

I guess I got lucky with my Maizee,she took her pill like a good little trooper,hey we had to do it everyday so something had to give.At firts it wasn't that easy,but we came to a understanding,and the pill popper really helped.A while back she stole the popper and I still have not found it :),I had to give her meds by hand until I got a new one.I showed her :) she was some special furbaby.  SherryNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  When I was having to daily medicate Gracie, I found that even thinking about pill time would send her scurrying. I would have to keep something else in my mind, (birds fluttering worked best!), or I wouldn't be able to find her when I had the pill popper ready :) .NTenHouseCats wrote:i'm firmly convinced that my cats LOVE to watch mommy run around thehouse after
 them with a loaded syringe as i said, greatexercise--MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892   
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Re: Impossible

That is so true Tencats,For the first few weeks I would get nervous and an upset stomach when it was close to the time to give her that dreaded pill,but like I said it was like we somehow came to an understanding,plus I would give her one or 2 of her Temptations treats,then the pill then a whole bunch of treats,at first I would give her a fingerful of Cool whip,she loved that stuff.TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  yep, they DEFINITELY know what we're thinking about mentalattitude is really the key--you have to go at the process with thefull intention and confidence that you are GOING to medicate that cat,and that's that--MUCH harder to do than write about, for sure!On 11/29/05, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: When I was having to daily medicate Gracie, I found that even thinking about
 pill time would send her scurrying. I would have to keep something else in my mind, (birds fluttering worked best!), or I wouldn't be able to find her when I had the pill popper ready :) . N TenHouseCats wrote: i'm firmly convinced that my cats LOVE to watch mommy run around the house after them with a loaded syringe as i said, great exercise  -- MaryChristine  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 --MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Toilet training

2005-11-29 Thread Lomaxturtle

I'm not sure Kerry but I'll have a search around and report back.

Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy  Angel Bramble

RE: For Michelle UK: toilet training help needed for adult cats +enzyme Q

Title: Message



Barb: 
You Rock!!!

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 
11:11 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: For 
Michelle UK: toilet training help needed for adult cats +enzyme 
Q
and in the meantime - the type of cleaner needed is a live 
bacterial enzyme solution - these little guys are what eat organic stinky 
stuff. Am now going to check w/LiquiZyme:)Barb Moermond 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  actually Kerry, I just spoke with Anti-Icky Poo and they are negotiating 
  with Pets @ Home (British pet stores) and it should be available there in 3-4 
  weeks. If you give me this gal's email, I will send it to Richard, the 
  guy at Anti-Icky Poo and he'll give it to Ken, the guy at Pets @ Home and Ken 
  can contact her when he has product:)
  
  do I rock or what?"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Anti-Icky Poo and 
Liqui-Zyme are both excellent.

A 
thought---these brand names won't be available in UK---Michelle--do you 
happen to know ofa UK brandthat works really well? 

Or, does anyone know the effective ingredient to look foron the 
packaging? Hopefully the ingred names are the same in both 
countries.



-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, 
Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:13 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: toilet training help 
needed for adult cats
Thanks SO much Barb. This is perfect! The person sounds like a real 
genuine cat person, soI feel sure that she will follow your 
instructions. (As we know, a lot of folks would just think, "I don't think 
so", and take the cats off to the nearest 
shelter/pound.)

I'm going to pushAgto putthe whole Q  A in her 
column (as well as respondi! ng to the reader directly which she always 
does)---maybe it will save some cats' lives. (Isn't this the number one 
reason catsend up gettingeuthanized?)

What's "nbsp" by the way?!

Kerry





-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb 
MoermondSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:02 AMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: toilet training help 
needed for adult cats
First off, the only thing that works on the odor is 
aliquidenzyme cleaner. Anti-Icky Poo and Liqui-Zyme are 
both excellent. The area in question must also be completely saturated 
with the cleaner in order for it to work properly.

If at all possible, you shouldconfine them to a smaller space 
until they learn about the boxes and have them out of that space only when 
being supervised.Putlitter boxes in their favorite spot(s) and 
use some old rags/towels instead of litter, since they don't s! eem to 
connect litter to potty. When they do their businessin the box, 
praise them and give them a treat. Once they get accustomed to using 
the box for their business, slowly start switching over to litter.

I'm doing something like this at the moment because Smoky has just 
gotten over his 2nd bout of interstitial cystitis and he thinks it's OK to 
tinkle anywhere.! nbsp; 
"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi 
  allI just got this email from my sister -- she writes a column for 
  theLondon Times, does not have cats, and she just got this Q from one 
  ofher readers -- my sister knows all about you wonderful guys so 
  naturallyis counting on me to supply the answer! The reader/cat owner 
  sounds areal cat lover :) so it would be great if she/the c! ats 
  could find ananswer that was sure to work. Is there such a thing? If 
  anyone has anyideas that they think would work better than those the 
  reader has triedalready (see below) please let me know. Thanks in 
  advance! KerryDear AggieWe have taken in 4 (adult) rescue 
  cats, who it seems were never properlytoilet trained. Although they 
  have been with us for a few years now, wedon't seem to! be able to 
  change their habits.They have a favourite (big) patch of deep pile 
  carpet which we try toclean,but it keeps on smelling - please, 
  please...any ideas would be welcomed.We have tried:1) 
  talking to the vets  researching whether they are stressed  
  whetherwecan re-train them2) hiring a steam cleaner, but they 
  could still smell the urine Ipresume they re-fouled it almost 
  immediately3) we have had a local carpet cleaning firm in, still no 
  joyWe are softie animal lovers  know ! that it is not their 
  fault, but it isreally getting us down, so if you have any cleaning 
  tips or contactdetailsof a cat behaviourist, we would be very 
  grateful.If in

Toilet training

2005-11-29 Thread Lomaxturtle

There are a few things that I'd like to ask if you've tried.

1) plug in pherimones - sometimes relaxes the animal so they don't get so 
territorial. 

Are there any other animals sharing the house (their patch)? if so put them in 
one room so that they develop a sense of security and keep that room free from 
other animals. When they are let out supervised after a while to explore then 
make sure that room is still kept free from other animals as it will be their 
little secure haven.

2) Have you tried putting newspaper or a rubber backed rug with plastic sheet 
under it on there toilet hotspot - you may need to gradually build up to litter 
- sometimes shreaded paper or old piece of carpet in a litter box may do, or 
material that you can wash.

3) Sometimes putting bits of food in there toilet hotspots helps as they won't 
toilet where they eat so sometimes keep putting food down until they learn 
where food doesn't go and they can safely toilet helps.

All this came from a tv program about unruly pets. Cats were toileting on 
carpets etc - the trainer did all of the above and it cured itself rapidly. I'm 
not saying this will work in your case but always worth a try

Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel  Angel Bramble

Re: Sigh...




I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to 
pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat supplement. 
Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind the cat and hold 
the cat with one hand, while with the other opening the cat's mouth. With the 
hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold the lower jaw down so the 
cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger that has the goo/pill 
on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or down the throat. This always 
works for me, even with cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the 
tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some 
Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a 
piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat.
Michelle

Re: Sigh...





Wow, a home-made piller! Aren't you the ingenious little cookie?! I
like the idea of the Nutrical in the syringe behind the pill, pleasant
tasting way to help it slide down their throat.
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I
do to pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat
supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get behind
the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening
the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger
to hold the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then
with the finger that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back
of the tongue or down the throat. This always works for me, even with
cats hard to pill. Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3
cc plastic syringe so it has a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or
other goo in it, stick the pill in that, and use the syringe like a
piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's throat.
  Michelle

Re: Impossible




There are two good things about the strategy I suggested re: Nutrical-- 1) 
they like the taste of the Nutrical usually so the pill does not taste bad, and 
2) if you get it back in their mouth it sticks because of the goopiness of the 
substance so it is harder to spit out.

You can also add wrapping the cat in a towel and holding the cat between 
your legs so you can use one hand to hold the mouth open and the other to stick 
the gob in.
Michelle

Re: Sigh...





I don't get the credit. The woman who runs the shelter where my cats came 
from showed it to me. She alwayssaid, jokingly, thatshe should 
patent it and market it as a way to raise money for the cat shelter, because it 
really does work well.
Michelle

In a message dated 11/29/2005 12:43:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wow, a 
  home-made piller! Aren't you the ingenious little cookie?! I like 
  the idea of the Nutrical in the syringe behind the pill, pleasant tasting way 
  to help it slide down their throat.N

Re: Impossible





In a message dated 11/29/05 10:44:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i've 
  heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put thosestories in 
  the same category as alien-abduction

LOL!
Patti

RE: Impossible

2005-11-29 Thread Chris










I think those things we
think are cats are really aliens who figured out it was not so bad to be a cat
in one of our homes!





Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005
1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Impossible







In a
message dated 11/29/05 10:44:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





i've
heard rumors about cats who are easy to medicate--i put those
stories in the same category as alien-abduction







LOL!





Patti

Re: Impossible





I was convinced this was true of Peepers, a friend's cat who lived with me 
for a while. He looked and acted like an alien, and it seemed quite clear that 
he was only here on a mission to investigate humans.
Michelle

In a message dated 11/29/2005 1:13:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think those things 
  we think are cats are really aliens who figured out it was not so bad to be a 
  cat in one of our homes!

Re: Sigh...

All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans. Humans find a quality they 
like in
a cat, and find other cats that have that quality, and breed those cat 
together, to
keep that quality, then those are bred to others like them and back into future
generations, until a breed is born. That is how ALL cat AND dog breeds were
created. There were no cat and dog breeds before humans came around and 
tinkered with
it. There were wild dogs, like African wild dogs, and wolves, coyotes, etc, and 
there
were wild cats like the African golden cat, or the ocelot, or the caracal. 
Humans
used those animals to eventually create the common domestic cat and dog. Then 
some
odd breeds came around from genetic abnormalities (such as the hairless breeds),
while others were a direct result of humans breeding for certain qualities, 
such as a
smushed in face (like Persian cats and Pug dogs), or for size (specifically 
creating
smaller lap dogs), or for certain personality traits (like how retrievers 
like to
fetch things, or how Siamese are very outgoing and talkative). Some very sick 
people
even breed for deformities, like the sickos who breed Twisty Cats (who are 
born
with no legs or little paddles and have to hop on their back legs or scoot on 
their
bellies) or on a lesser level of sickness Munchkin cats, who have deformed short
legs, or like Dachshund dogs (short deformed legs).

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!
~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has 
your
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it 
curable.
Ask me today how you can test for Trich!



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going to the vet

2005-11-29 Thread veggiepugs

Thank you to everyone for your advice. You're all so awesome and wonderful. 
Nina thanks so much for the encouragement and support. I feel better today, but 
am still upset that I can't treat him and that he's feeling so awful. It breaks 
my heart. 

I called the vet today to ask about other alternatives and someone there said 
they're not available in liquid form, which Patti, you told me they were and I 
believe you over them! So, I wrote a letter to the vet and faxed him asking 
about alternatives including liquid form, injectable and transdermal. Well, 
another vet called me back who I've seen with my dogs and said that if he is 
still vomiting, to bring him in and that he may have to be hospitalized so they 
can give him injectable meds. Why can't I do this? I think Brooklyn has been 
through enough already!

Nina thanks for the pointers on calming him about being handled. He wasn't 
afraid of being handled, in fact he's very good about being touched, petted, 
cuddled, held etc. But not after being tortured by me 

He just looks miserable curled up on the bed...he looks as though he feels so 
ill. And I'm sure he does. 

Well I made an appt to see the vet at 530 because I need to get him going on 
meds. Wish me luck and please give me any advice or pointers you think I might 
need before giong to the vet. ANy questions I should ask? Things I should be 
wary of?

Thank you everyone!!!
hugs
Rebecca

euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

I didn't know that the number one reason cats are
euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;
that is SO sad.  I believe it though.  My husband's
brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep
this past spring because it was urinating in their new
home in the dining room.  I was SICK when I found out.
 If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her
myself.  My husband just told me that they had to put
their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was
very ill.  But the next time I went over there, I
asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty
(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,
and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.
 So I said, So you just killed her?!  I was so
angry.  Then they have the nerve to get another kitten
for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved
cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and
when they were talking about it, I just asked them to
not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to
know what they did with that kitten.  We had
Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really
just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I
would not be very pleasant to be around.  I catch
myself wishing bad things on them when I think about
Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at
night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing
EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or
even worse things.  And then I chastise myself for
wishing ill on others.  Life is so not fair.  I think
that should be SO illegal.  But we allow abortion in
the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem
pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much
chance of it becoming illegal.

:)
Wendy




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Re: Sigh...

That makes me sick.  Again, why isn't this illegal?  I
think a serious flogging is in order here  Or
worse

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans.
 Humans find a quality they like in
 a cat, and find other cats that have that quality,
 and breed those cat together, to
 keep that quality, then those are bred to others
 like them and back into future
 generations, until a breed is born. That is how
 ALL cat AND dog breeds were
 created. There were no cat and dog breeds before
 humans came around and tinkered with
 it. There were wild dogs, like African wild dogs,
 and wolves, coyotes, etc, and there
 were wild cats like the African golden cat, or the
 ocelot, or the caracal. Humans
 used those animals to eventually create the common
 domestic cat and dog. Then some
 odd breeds came around from genetic abnormalities
 (such as the hairless breeds),
 while others were a direct result of humans breeding
 for certain qualities, such as a
 smushed in face (like Persian cats and Pug dogs), or
 for size (specifically creating
 smaller lap dogs), or for certain personality
 traits (like how retrievers like to
 fetch things, or how Siamese are very outgoing and
 talkative). Some very sick people
 even breed for deformities, like the sickos who
 breed Twisty Cats (who are born
 with no legs or little paddles and have to hop on
 their back legs or scoot on their
 bellies) or on a lesser level of sickness Munchkin
 cats, who have deformed short
 legs, or like Dachshund dogs (short deformed legs).
 
 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
 http://ucat.us/adopt.html
 Adopt a FIV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
 Adopt a FELV+ cat:
 http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html

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 I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3
 yr old special needs cat who must
 live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
 Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to
 KMR, where they add up until she
 earns a free can of formula!
 PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for
 Bazil!
 If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me
 for the NEW address to send them
 to!

~
 Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not
 respond to treatment, or has your
 cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
 Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is
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RE: Sigh...

I'm always, always learning with this group, and so perhaps I'll realize
there are good reasons for breeding. 
But I've always had a gut reaction against all breeding, and the buying
and selling of animals, when there are so many homeless animals that
need homes.
I am always so disappointed when people I know buy dogs, instead of
going to a shelter and rescuing one.

-Original Message-
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All domestic cat breeds were a creation of humans. Humans find a quality
they like in
a cat, and find other cats that have that quality, and breed those cat
together, to
keep that quality, then those are bred to others like them and back into
future
generations, until a breed is born. That is how ALL cat AND dog breeds
were
created. There were no cat and dog breeds before humans came around and
tinkered with
it. There were wild dogs, like African wild dogs, and wolves, coyotes,
etc, and there
were wild cats like the African golden cat, or the ocelot, or the
caracal. Humans
used those animals to eventually create the common domestic cat and
dog. Then some
odd breeds came around from genetic abnormalities (such as the hairless
breeds),
while others were a direct result of humans breeding for certain
qualities, such as a
smushed in face (like Persian cats and Pug dogs), or for size
(specifically creating
smaller lap dogs), or for certain personality traits (like how
retrievers like to
fetch things, or how Siamese are very outgoing and talkative). Some very
sick people
even breed for deformities, like the sickos who breed Twisty Cats (who
are born
with no legs or little paddles and have to hop on their back legs or
scoot on their
bellies) or on a lesser level of sickness Munchkin cats, who have
deformed short
legs, or like Dachshund dogs (short deformed legs).

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html

~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address
to send them
to!
~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment,
or has your
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug
makes it curable.
Ask me today how you can test for Trich!



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RE: going to the vet


Dear Rebecca
Wishing you and sweet Brooklyn lots of good luck and sending lots of
healing, positive vibes this afternoon/evening. Please keep us posted
when you have time. You are one great cat mom.
Kerry


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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:28 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: going to the vet


Thank you to everyone for your advice. You're all so awesome and
wonderful. Nina thanks so much for the encouragement and support. I feel
better today, but am still upset that I can't treat him and that he's
feeling so awful. It breaks my heart. 

I called the vet today to ask about other alternatives and someone there
said they're not available in liquid form, which Patti, you told me they
were and I believe you over them! So, I wrote a letter to the vet and
faxed him asking about alternatives including liquid form, injectable
and transdermal. Well, another vet called me back who I've seen with my
dogs and said that if he is still vomiting, to bring him in and that he
may have to be hospitalized so they can give him injectable meds. Why
can't I do this? I think Brooklyn has been through enough already!

Nina thanks for the pointers on calming him about being handled. He
wasn't afraid of being handled, in fact he's very good about being
touched, petted, cuddled, held etc. But not after being tortured by
me 

He just looks miserable curled up on the bed...he looks as though he
feels so ill. And I'm sure he does. 

Well I made an appt to see the vet at 530 because I need to get him
going on meds. Wish me luck and please give me any advice or pointers
you think I might need before giong to the vet. ANy questions I should
ask? Things I should be wary of?

Thank you everyone!!!
hugs
Rebecca

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RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 211

What a shame---I would love to start a group with you, but (again like
someone else said) I can scarcely cope with one group. I figured that
Jenn's o/t list could serve as a catchall (and I can stop feeling guilty
then about asking o/t Qs).
I just looked on the website you sent again--I must read the stuff about
Iams. (I don't buy their stuff and I once tried plugging in all the Qs I
had to their site---I got pretty evasive answers which said it all.)


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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:58 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 211


Hey Kerry-
veggiepugs = Rebecca...lol.

Hey Kerry if you're interested in starting an online vegan group with
me, we can make one on yahoo groups or you can join one of the many
already there. 

http://linusnlucy.com/Food.html

That's the page on my website with the photo and a discussion of feeding
dogs a vegan diet. Scroll down to the bottom to see the photo. 

There's also a photo on a shirt I've seen that has a dog sitting on a
plate with the knife and fork alongside it and underneath it says: Why
not? You eat other animals don't you?

=)
Rebecca



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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:40:58 -0600
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Subject: RE: Pills and Vegetarianism (separate topics...lol)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thanks veggiepugs---sorry, haven't found your actual moniker yet!
It's interesting for me that we're having this ongoing discussion now as
I just recently began getting involved with the Chicago vegan group.

I wonder how we start a separate list?

I would love (just to stir things up) to have a set of plates with the
pic and caption you mention: picture of a cat and a pig looking at
each other
and underneath, the caption says You call one a pet, and the other
foodWhy?
Actualy, I'd have a ballon from a smiling cat saying, I'm a cuddly pet,
followed by one from a sad pig saying And I'm food---why?
Kerry


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Re: going to the vet

You most certainly may give him injections at home. Your vet probably
figures you're like most pet owners who don't want to deal with it.
He don't know you too well, do he? Get them, or someone that comes to
your house, to show you how to give the injections. I never board my
animals for vet care, if I can possibly help it, they get much better
and more observant care at home with me and it's not stressful for
them. Of course, if you're not able to be home, and he's in critical
condition, that's another matter.

I wasn't suggesting that Brooklyn doesn't like to be handled, I got that
he's a love muffin from your other posts about him. I was talking about
getting him used to being restrained in a compromising position :) .

Prayers that Brooklyn feels better very soon,
Nina

veggiepugs wrote:

Thank you to everyone for your advice. You're all so awesome and wonderful. Nina thanks so much for the encouragement and support. I feel better today, but am still upset that I can't treat him and that he's feeling so awful. It breaks my heart.

I called the vet today to ask about other alternatives and someone there said
they're not available in liquid form, which Patti, you told me they were and I
believe you over them! So, I wrote a letter to the vet and faxed him asking
about alternatives including liquid form, injectable and transdermal. Well,
another vet called me back who I've seen with my dogs and said that if he is
still vomiting, to bring him in and that he may have to be hospitalized so they
can give him injectable meds. Why can't I do this? I think Brooklyn has been
through enough already!

Nina thanks for the pointers on calming him about being handled. He wasn't afraid of being handled, in fact he's very good about being touched, petted, cuddled, held etc. But not after being tortured by me

He just looks miserable curled up on the bed...he looks as though he feels so ill. And I'm sure he does.

Well I made an appt to see the vet at 530 because I need to get him going on
meds. Wish me luck and please give me any advice or pointers you think I might
need before giong to the vet. ANy questions I should ask? Things I should be
wary of?

Thank you everyone!!!
hugs
Rebecca

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits





In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I didn't 
  know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their 
  lack of litter habits;that is SO sad.

That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine 
Coon boys
Both brought to vets for euthanasia for that 
reason...
Worked with a compassionate vet, who refused to euthanize for 
"convenience" of owner".
Both times, when working alone with that vet in evening, 
"victim" smuggled out, both in "Feline Protection 
Program"...with me!!
As far as the other vets in that practice, euthanasia was done as often as 
nail trims..
(As dictated by owners of practice)
Sadly, the compassionate vet is no longer with that practice.
Her compassion was considered "insubordination".
Patti

Re: Sigh...





In a message dated 11/29/05 1:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll 
  realizethere are good reasons for breeding. 

Sorry, with the number of innocents MURDERED every day in shelters, I 
personally can not see ANY REASON, GOOD OR OTHERWISE, FOR 
BREEDING
Patti

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

I think that is why some animal welfare groups are advocating for
guardianship status rather than ownership so that people, including
breeders, can't have animals killed for frivolous reasons.

Bonnie

 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 
 In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I didn't  know that the number one reason cats are
 euthanized is because of their  lack of litter habits;
 that is SO sad. 
 
 
 That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine  Coon boys
 Both brought to vets for euthanasia for that  reason...
 Worked with a compassionate vet, who refused to euthanize for  
 convenience 
 of owner.
 Both times, when working alone with that vet in evening,  victim 
 smuggled 
 out, both in Feline Protection  Program...with me!!
 As far as the other vets in that practice, euthanasia was done as 
 often as  
 nail trims..
 (As dictated by owners of practice)
 Sadly, the compassionate vet is no longer with that practice.
 Her compassion was considered insubordination.
 Patti

Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 211

I can't figure out my new hosts' email lists. I'll let you guys know when I do. 
We
may be better off just starting a yahoogroup for the OT stuff on this list.
Yahoogroups have files and photos section too, nice features actually. If anyone
thinks that would work let me know, I'd be happy to start one, I already 
moderate a
couple and have had my own in the past, so It would be easy to open one for us 
for OT
stuff.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send 
them
to!
~
Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has 
your
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it 
curable.
Ask me today how you can test for Trich!



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Re: Carla and Susan

2005-11-29 Thread Susan Loesch

Thanks, Sherry. I know exactly what you mean. I still watch where my feet go when I walk thru the house - she was so tiny that if I stepped on her it would hurt - rather than just bumping her and her moving out of the way like the "big guys" do! Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Susan,I am so sorry to hear about your sweet Carlita,she sounds like a wonderful baby.I too miss my Maizee Grace,I dread coming home ,because I know that beautiful little face won't be at the door to follow me around like a shadow.my thoughts are with you,my heart hurts with yours.Bless you SherryNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan,I didn't realize it was you that lost your Carlita. Again, I'm so
sorry. It's always hard, but when they continue to rebound again and again, we start to feel, maybe, just maybe this one will stay, this one is different. We have to live with that hope, to live otherwise is not truly living, to live otherwise clouds the wonderful moments we share. I've learned so much from my wonderful fur teachers, one of the greatest lessons is living in the moment, living those moments to the fullest. Try not to feel bad about not knowing that this time was different, that this was her time. She was with her buddies, maybe they needed it to happen this way, it's always so hard on everyone, our family members with fur as well as those without. What a loving little soul she is! Such a blessing to you and yours, and now to us as well. Thank you for sharing your memories of her with us. Sending you hugs and healing blessings to sooth you in your grief,NinaSusan Loesch wrote: Yes, my little
Carla was feleuk positive. She and her 2 brothers and 1 sister were rescues from Little Rock Animal Services when they were babies. Carla was the only long-term survivor. She was solid black and such a little doll -- never got any bigger than maybe a 3 month old kitten. Skinny as a rail, but a good eater. LOVED to climb up on me at night and make biscuits! She was around 3 when she died. Off and on she had "down" periods - I'd come in and find her stretched out and not moving, dehydrated and seemingly at death's door. But a boost of Ringers subQ and a little rest and baby food and she'd be up and running again. That is what happened her last evening. She had seemed to recover and was eating again and purring and I didn't notice any difference in that time or the ones before. In fact I was so sure she was OK that I left her in my spare bedroom piled up with her buddies
and didn't take her to bed with me or stay in there with her. But obviously something was different because the next morning she was gone. It took me so by surprise and was such a hard loss. She'd been so thin for so long, and so small, but had just kept on going. I guess I was lulled into thinking that she was going to be a survivor. I sure do miss my scrawny looking cuddle-baby Carlita. She was such a joy.Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits





In a message dated 11/29/05 2:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When 
  Iread her surrender form, the people had written that they cleaned 
  herlitterbox ONCE A WEEK

Yes, isn't it amazing that these felines would 
actually want a clean place to do their 
business??!!?
And, incidentally, both my X-Large boys are declawed!!
DUH!!
No excuse for ignorance in my book.
Patti

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Good for you Patti.  I wish all kitties were as lucky
as your two Maine Coons!!!

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 11/29/05 1:46:13 P.M. Eastern
 Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I didn't  know that the number one reason cats are
 euthanized is because of their  lack of litter
 habits;
 that is SO sad. 
 
 
 That's exactly the reason I got the two Maine  Coon
 boys
 Both brought to vets for euthanasia for that 
 reason...
 Worked with a compassionate vet, who refused to
 euthanize for  convenience 
 of owner.
 Both times, when working alone with that vet in
 evening,  victim smuggled 
 out, both in Feline Protection  Program...with
 me!!
 As far as the other vets in that practice,
 euthanasia was done as often as  
 nail trims..
 (As dictated by owners of practice)
 Sadly, the compassionate vet is no longer with that
 practice.
 Her compassion was considered insubordination.
 Patti
 
 





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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

I think the big picture here is EDUCATION.  So many
people are uneducated about their animals, which is
irresponsible in and of itself (at least not knowing
the basics, like cleaning the litter box often!!!). 
Of course, that's the problem with many things wrong
in life if you think about it, like prejudice,
neglect, etc.  Then again, there are those people out
there that we talked about last week who are just
mean.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 11/29/05 2:42:08 P.M. Eastern
 Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 When  I
 read her surrender form, the people had written that
 they cleaned  her
 litterbox ONCE A WEEK
 
 
 Yes, isn't it amazing that these felines would 
 actually want a clean place 
 to do their  business??!!?
 And, incidentally, both my X-Large boys are
 declawed!!
 DUH!!
 No excuse for ignorance in my book.
 Patti
 
 





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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread Lewis Faye

This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis past spring because it was urinating in their
newhome in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be very pleasant to be around. I
catchmyself wishing bad things on them when I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not muchchance of it becoming illegal.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits




I know.. , but 
"sadly" there are just so many cats that are euthanized because of "improper 
elimination"...
If only people would educate themselves... (I know, I'm dreaming)
So many cases are due to:
1) UTI's (urinary tract infections)
2) DIRTY litterboxes
3) DECLAWING
4) Emotional upsets (That CAN be dealt with!!! After all, in 99% of 
these cases it is the human who brings on stress ~ 
moving, new baby, new "pet"...I could go on  on...)
This is just one of the many reasons I prefer the 
company of my fur-kids!
(No offense to any of you special people on this 
list intended. I am sure you can all relate.)
Patti

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits





In a message dated 11/29/05 3:05:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think 
  the big picture here is EDUCATION

Yepwe are on the same wave length, or we're both just dreamers.

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

I know what you mean.  We have a kitty that isn't
doing so great at the box, and will probably have to
replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN
HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts.  No way. 
There are always other options.  That's just cruelty,
laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to
call it.  If you aren't going to stick it out with the
animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in
the first place!  An animal is not some ornament to
decorate your home or to entertain children.  Animals
come with responsibilities.  Sorry about the rant...

Wendy

--- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This makes me sick.  I hate people that do this.  I
 have a female that is bad about missing the box. 
 She is physically okay.  I think her problem is that
 she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets
 nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes
 (I do have multiple boxes.).  Now, I will eventually
 get ceramic tile flooring.  In the mean time, I will
 spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the
 carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER.  That is just
 the most sickening concept to me.  
 
 wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I didn't know
 that the number one reason cats are
 euthanized is because of their lack of litter
 habits;
 that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's
 brother and his wife decided to put their cat to
 sleep
 this past spring because it was urinating in their
 new
 home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found
 out.
 If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her
 myself. My husband just told me that they had to put
 their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was
 very ill. But the next time I went over there, I
 asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty
 (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and
 loveable,
 and they told me she was urinating in the dining
 room.
 So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so
 angry. Then they have the nerve to get another
 kitten
 for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved
 cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and
 when they were talking about it, I just asked them
 to
 not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to
 know what they did with that kitten. We had
 Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I
 really
 just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I
 would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch
 myself wishing bad things on them when I think about
 Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at
 night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing
 EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or
 even worse things. And then I chastise myself for
 wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think
 that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in
 the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem
 pole than humans in society, I guess there's not
 much
 chance of it becoming illegal.
 
 :)
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RE: Garfunkle

2005-11-29 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

Thank you, Sandy --- it means a lot to me and Garfunkle. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dudes
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Garfunkle

Hideyo, I'm sorry, too.

I can't even imagine how hard it must be for you to lose Garfunkle.  I
know he brought you a lot of love.  I hope you always feel him near you.
Peace and comfort,
Sandy

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an
animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio.

http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php

Boonie
 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 I know what you mean.  We have a kitty that isn't
 doing so great at the box, and will probably have to
 replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN
 HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts.  No way. 
 There are always other options.  That's just cruelty,
 laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to
 call it.  If you aren't going to stick it out with the
 animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in
 the first place!  An animal is not some ornament to
 decorate your home or to entertain children.  Animals
 come with responsibilities.  Sorry about the rant...
 
 Wendy
 
 --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This makes me sick.  I hate people that do this.  I
  have a female that is bad about missing the box. 
  She is physically okay.  I think her problem is that
  she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets
  nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes
  (I do have multiple boxes.).  Now, I will eventually
  get ceramic tile flooring.  In the mean time, I will
  spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the
  carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER.  That is just
  the most sickening concept to me.  
  
  wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I didn't know
  that the number one reason cats are
  euthanized is because of their lack of litter
  habits;
  that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's
  brother and his wife decided to put their cat to
  sleep
  this past spring because it was urinating in their
  new
  home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found
  out.
  If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her
  myself. My husband just told me that they had to put
  their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was
  very ill. But the next time I went over there, I
  asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty
  (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and
  loveable,
  and they told me she was urinating in the dining
  room.
  So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so
  angry. Then they have the nerve to get another
  kitten
  for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved
  cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and
  when they were talking about it, I just asked them
  to
  not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to
  know what they did with that kitten. We had
  Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I
  really
  just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I
  would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch
  myself wishing bad things on them when I think about
  Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at
  night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing
  EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or
  even worse things. And then I chastise myself for
  wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think
  that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in
  the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem
  pole than humans in society, I guess there's not
  much
  chance of it becoming illegal.
  
  :)
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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Thanks Bonnie.  I will have to read it.

:)
Wendy

--- BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious
 Feline. She is an
 animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public
 Radio.
 
 http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php
 
 Boonie
  www.elephants.com
 
 - Original Message -
 From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm
 Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  I know what you mean.  We have a kitty that isn't
  doing so great at the box, and will probably have
 to
  replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO
 WAY IN
  HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts.  No way.
 
  There are always other options.  That's just
 cruelty,
  laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want
 to
  call it.  If you aren't going to stick it out with
 the
  animal until it's natural end, then don't get it
 in
  the first place!  An animal is not some ornament
 to
  decorate your home or to entertain children. 
 Animals
  come with responsibilities.  Sorry about the
 rant...
  
  Wendy
  
  --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   This makes me sick.  I hate people that do this.
  I
   have a female that is bad about missing the box.
 
   She is physically okay.  I think her problem is
 that
   she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets
   nervous about using the more dominant kitties'
 boxes
   (I do have multiple boxes.).  Now, I will
 eventually
   get ceramic tile flooring.  In the mean time, I
 will
   spend a small fortune on cleaning products for
 the
   carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER.  That is
 just
   the most sickening concept to me.  
   
   wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I didn't
 know
   that the number one reason cats are
   euthanized is because of their lack of litter
   habits;
   that is SO sad. I believe it though. My
 husband's
   brother and his wife decided to put their cat to
   sleep
   this past spring because it was urinating in
 their
   new
   home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found
   out.
   If I had known beforehand, I would have taken
 her
   myself. My husband just told me that they had to
 put
   their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she
 was
   very ill. But the next time I went over there, I
   asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable
 kitty
   (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and
   loveable,
   and they told me she was urinating in the dining
   room.
   So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so
   angry. Then they have the nerve to get another
   kitten
   for their little girl, I guess a more
 well-behaved
   cat, and then decide they didn't want it either,
 and
   when they were talking about it, I just asked
 them
   to
   not talk about it anymore because I didn't want
 to
   know what they did with that kitten. We had
   Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I
   really
   just have to pretend none of that ever happened
 or I
   would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch
   myself wishing bad things on them when I think
 about
   Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home
 at
   night while they are sleeping and peeing and
 pooing
   EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the
 same, or
   even worse things. And then I chastise myself
 for
   wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I
 think
   that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion
 in
   the U.S., and since animals are lower on the
 totem
   pole than humans in society, I guess there's not
   much
   chance of it becoming illegal.
   
   :)
   Wendy
   
   
   
   
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RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 211

Ok, this is my selfish Q/thought: I love this group. It's the only list
I have ever actively belonged to, and from what everyone says, it's also
an unusually supportive/kind group (boy, did I strike lucky!)---if we
have a yahoo group will that group be open to the world? Or will it be
contained to those Felv group members who wish to use it? (I am very
un-techy and have no idea how it works.)
Either way, we def need an o/t group and I'm grateful that you're so
generously offering (again) to set it up, Jenn! Kerry 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 211


I can't figure out my new hosts' email lists. I'll let you guys know
when I do. We
may be better off just starting a yahoogroup for the OT stuff on this
list.
Yahoogroups have files and photos section too, nice features actually.
If anyone
thinks that would work let me know, I'd be happy to start one, I already
moderate a
couple and have had my own in the past, so It would be easy to open one
for us for OT
stuff.

Jenn
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http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Adopt a FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/
Adopt a FELV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html

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cat who must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address
to send them
to!
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or has your
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD?
Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug
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RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Lucky Rosalie, after you found her. That's wonderful. So many people are
so lacking in compassion--if it wasn't for the support this group gives
me I'd be permanently in despair, I think.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BONNIE J
KALMBACH
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

That's how I came to adopt my orange girl Rosalie. She had a BIG sign on
her cage at the Humane Society that said Litter Box problems. When I
read her surrender form, the people had written that they cleaned her
litterbox ONCE A WEEK! I've had this charming playful bouncy girl for
four years
now and she had hasn't had any accidents at all. 

Bonnie
 www.elephants.com

- Original Message -
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:45 pm
Subject: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 I didn't know that the number one reason cats are
 euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits;
 that is SO sad.  I believe it though.  My husband's
 brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep
 this past spring because it was urinating in their new
 home in the dining room.  I was SICK when I found out.
 If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her
 myself.  My husband just told me that they had to put
 their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was
 very ill.  But the next time I went over there, I
 asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty
 (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,
 and they told me she was urinating in the dining room.
 So I said, So you just killed her?!  I was so
 angry.  Then they have the nerve to get another kitten
 for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved
 cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and
 when they were talking about it, I just asked them to
 not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to
 know what they did with that kitten.  We had
 Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really
 just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I
 would not be very pleasant to be around.  I catch
 myself wishing bad things on them when I think about
 Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at
 night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing
 EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or
 even worse things.  And then I chastise myself for
 wishing ill on others.  Life is so not fair.  I think
 that should be SO illegal.  But we allow abortion in
 the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem
 pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much
 chance of it becoming illegal.

 :)
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RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Title: Message

You're right, Patti.

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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005
1:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

In a message dated 11/29/05 2:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When Iread her surrender
form, the people had written that they cleaned herlitterbox ONCE A
WEEK

Yes, isn't it amazing that these felines would
actually want a clean place to do their
business??!!?
And, incidentally, both my X-Large boys are declawed!!
DUH!!
No excuse for ignorance in my book.
Patti

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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread TatorBunz





Oh you bet it is!
I deal with on regular basics!
Just pisses me off!
My Vets are good about calling rescues in when they get beautiful kitties that come from situations like this...g!

In a message dated 11/29/2005 12:22:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

know.. , but "sadly" there are just so many cats that are euthanized because of "improper elimination"...
If only people would educate themselves... (I know, I'm dreaming)
So many cases are due to:
1) UTI's (urinary tract infections)
2) DIRTY litterboxes
3) DECLAWING
4) Emotional upsets (That CAN be dealt with!!! After all, in 99% of these cases it is the human who brings on stress ~ moving, new baby, new "pet"...I could go on  on...)
This is just one of the many reasons I prefer the company of my fur-kids!
(No offense to any of you special people on this list intended. I am sure you can all relate.)
Patti



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RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Title: Message

What
sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in
this respect is.

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing
kitties for bathroom habits
This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I
have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically
okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and
just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have
multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring.
In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the
carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening
concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I
didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of
their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My
husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis
past spring because it was urinating in! their newhome in the dining room.
I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken
hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to
sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went
over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she
looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was
urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was
soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their
little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't
want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them
tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did
with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I
reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be
very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when
I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight
while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they
house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself
forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be
SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower
on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not
muchchance of it becoming
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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread TatorBunz





Welcome to the club!
We all rant over crap like this because we know it's a excuse to dump a kitty!
Some are educated but don't give a rat's a$$ they don't want to deal with it. It isnovelty at first! 
Especially with the purebreds. They are the ones I feel sorry for.
You know I'm beginning to believe we are superior on this group over other humans.
Wouldn't ya just like to slap/beat the crapout ofa few humans??? g

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RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

Title: Message



I can't even stand reading this string of emails because 
it's so upsetting.. but I also know that it's common... I have a friend who is a 
vet tech and she tells me that it happens all the time.. she so far adopted 
about 6 of kitties who were brought to the clinic and one dog because they are 
otherwise perfectly healthy... it makes me s sad and 
mad and am afraid to find out how 
often this happens.

I have many cats at home who have a same problem... and yes 
it's frustrating and I get mad at them..but I can't imagine putting them sleep 
for it... I have a co-worker who did that.. he got rabies vaccinations and it 
damgaed his brain and started urinating out side of litter box and she killed 
him.. how awful is that.. if she had told me, I would have adopted him in a 
heart beat.. this was a couple of years ago and still makes me cry thinking 
about him. he was a very shy and timid sweet boy.. he did not do anythign 
wrong.. he was a victim of vaccine


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, 
Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:38 PMTo: 
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bathroom habits

What 
sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in 
this respect is.




-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing 
kitties for bathroom habits
This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I 
have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically 
okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and 
just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have 
multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. 
In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the 
carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening 
concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
I 
  didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of 
  their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My 
  husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis 
  past spring because it was urinating in! their newhome in the dining room. 
  I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken 
  hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to 
  sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went 
  over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she 
  looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was 
  urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was 
  soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their 
  little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't 
  want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them 
  tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did 
  with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I 
  reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be 
  very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when 
  I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight 
  while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they 
  house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself 
  forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be 
  SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower 
  on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not 
  muchchance of it becoming 
  illegal.:)Wendy__ 
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Oh, yes, we all relate. I'm struggling with
how to talk to people that would do this sort of thing. I'm instinctively a big
mouth, and that's not a way to win people over. And most of my friends do not
have pets---I only saw the light myself about 9 years ago after a cat was thrust
upon me. I didn't dislike animals, I just didn't want one living with me. (I was
putty in his paws within 24 hours andone friend still says to this day she
can't believe it where it's taken me.)
So I need to remember how I was. And take it
from there, I guess.

-Original MessageFrom:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005
2:21 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
I know.. , but "sadly" there are just so many cats that are euthanized because
of "improper elimination"...
If only people would educate themselves... (I know, I'm dreaming)
So many cases are due to:
1) UTI's (urinary tract infections)
2) DIRTY litterboxes
3) DECLAWING
4) Emotional upsets (That CAN be dealt with!!! After all, in 99% of
these cases it is the human who brings on stress ~
moving, new baby, new "pet"...I could go on on...)
This is just one of the many reasons I prefer the
company of my fur-kids!
(No offense to any of you special people on this
list intended. I am sure you can all relate.)
Patti

RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Thanks!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BONNIE J
KALMBACH
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The Fastidious Feline. She is an
animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio.

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- Original Message -
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 I know what you mean.  We have a kitty that isn't
 doing so great at the box, and will probably have to
 replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN
 HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts.  No way. 
 There are always other options.  That's just cruelty,
 laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to
 call it.  If you aren't going to stick it out with the
 animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in
 the first place!  An animal is not some ornament to
 decorate your home or to entertain children.  Animals
 come with responsibilities.  Sorry about the rant...

 Wendy

 --- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  This makes me sick.  I hate people that do this.  I
  have a female that is bad about missing the box. 
  She is physically okay.  I think her problem is that
  she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets
  nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes
  (I do have multiple boxes.).  Now, I will eventually
  get ceramic tile flooring.  In the mean time, I will
  spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the
  carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER.  That is just
  the most sickening concept to me.  

  wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I didn't know
  that the number one reason cats are
  euthanized is because of their lack of litter
  habits;
  that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's
  brother and his wife decided to put their cat to
  sleep
  this past spring because it was urinating in their
  new
  home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found
  out.
  If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her
  myself. My husband just told me that they had to put
  their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was
  very ill. But the next time I went over there, I
  asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty
  (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and
  loveable,
  and they told me she was urinating in the dining
  room.
  So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so
  angry. Then they have the nerve to get another
  kitten
  for their little girl, I guess a more well-behaved
  cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and
  when they were talking about it, I just asked them
  to
  not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to
  know what they did with that kitten. We had
  Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I
  really
  just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I
  would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch
  myself wishing bad things on them when I think about
  Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at
  night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing
  EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or
  even worse things. And then I chastise myself for
  wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think
  that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in
  the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem
  pole than humans in society, I guess there's not
  much
  chance of it becoming illegal.

  :)
  Wendy

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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread Lewis Faye

I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need.Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day. Plus, they have the option to go outside which most of them prefer. I have read all the books and done everything I know. She gets along with the other cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets her share of the food. She just doesn't want to use a box they have used.No matter how clean it is. The litter does not matter. I can't find a place to put a box where she is the only cat that will use it. She does the best she can and I do the bestI can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as much as just particular. She'sa very cheerful cat.BONNIE J KALMBACH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommed Patricia McConnell's book "The Fastidious Feline". She is ananimal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio.http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.phpBooniewww.elephants.com- Original Message -From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pmSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habitsTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to
stick it out with the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant... Wendy --- Lewis Faye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me.
wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there, I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, "So
you just killed her?!" I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved" cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about it anymore because I didn't want to know what they did with that kitten. We had Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I really just have to pretend none of that ever happened or I would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch myself wishing bad things on them when I think about Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home at night while they are sleeping and peeing and pooing EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the same, or even worse things. And then I chastise myself for wishing
ill on others. Life is so not fair. I think that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion in the U.S., and since animals are lower on the totem pole than humans in society, I guess there's not much chance of it becoming illegal.:) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

This might help.  Our geriatric kitty, Julie (my
little brother named her 16 years ago), will not go to
the bathroom unless we open the door for her to go. 
Nevermind the fact that right in front of her there is
a kitty door that leads to the kitties' bathroom (it's
a room inside our garage we built for the litter boxes
that you have to go through to get to the garage;
works great!).  She doesn't want to go through the
kitty door.  It's so funny.  She will tell us when
she's ready to go.  Maybe you could build your kitty a
little bathroom or put her box in a bathroom or some
other room where no one else can use the box and take
her in the mornings and evenings and before you go to
bed.  You never know.  She might catch on.

;)
Wendy

--- Lewis Faye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in
 a household and there isn't much I can do about
 that.   Placing cats in these parts is impossible
 because every cat lover has at least 3 more than
 they already need. Plus, I adore her and don't want
 to give her away.  I clean boxes twice a day.  Plus,
 they have the option to go outside which most of
 them prefer.  I have read all the books and done
 everything I know.  She gets along with the other
 cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets
 her share of the food.  She just doesn't want to use
 a box they have used. No matter how clean it is. 
 The litter does not matter.  I can't find a place to
 put a box where she is the only cat that will use
 it.  She does the best she can and I do the best I
 can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as
 much as just particular.  She's a very cheerful cat.
 
 BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:  I recommed Patricia McConnell's book The
 Fastidious Feline. She is an
 animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public
 Radio.
 
 http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php
 
 Boonie
 www.elephants.com
 
 - Original Message -
 From: wendy 
 Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm
 Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't
  doing so great at the box, and will probably have
 to
  replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO
 WAY IN
  HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. 
  There are always other options. That's just
 cruelty,
  laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want
 to
  call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with
 the
  animal until it's natural end, then don't get it
 in
  the first place! An animal is not some ornament to
  decorate your home or to entertain children.
 Animals
  come with responsibilities. Sorry about the
 rant...
  
  Wendy
  
  --- Lewis Faye wrote:
  
   This makes me sick. I hate people that do this.
 I
   have a female that is bad about missing the box.
 
   She is physically okay. I think her problem is
 that
   she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets
   nervous about using the more dominant kitties'
 boxes
   (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will
 eventually
   get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I
 will
   spend a small fortune on cleaning products for
 the
   carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is
 just
   the most sickening concept to me. 
   
   wendy wrote: I didn't know
   that the number one reason cats are
   euthanized is because of their lack of litter
   habits;
   that is SO sad. I believe it though. My
 husband's
   brother and his wife decided to put their cat to
   sleep
   this past spring because it was urinating in
 their
   new
   home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found
   out.
   If I had known beforehand, I would have taken
 her
   myself. My husband just told me that they had to
 put
   their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she
 was
   very ill. But the next time I went over there, I
   asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable
 kitty
   (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and
   loveable,
   and they told me she was urinating in the dining
   room.
   So I said, So you just killed her?! I was so
   angry. Then they have the nerve to get another
   kitten
   for their little girl, I guess a more
 well-behaved
   cat, and then decide they didn't want it either,
 and
   when they were talking about it, I just asked
 them
   to
   not talk about it anymore because I didn't want
 to
   know what they did with that kitten. We had
   Thanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I
   really
   just have to pretend none of that ever happened
 or I
   would not be very pleasant to be around. I catch
   myself wishing bad things on them when I think
 about
   Angel, like 1000 cats converging on their home
 at
   night while they are sleeping and peeing and
 pooing
   EVERYWHERE, so that they house is NEVER the
 same, or
   even worse things. And then I chastise myself
 for
   wishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I
 think
   that should be SO illegal. But we allow abortion
 in

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread Lewis Faye

Unless I separated her from the other cats at night would that be possible. That wouldn't be fair because she likes to sleep with her brothers.She goes outside every morning and evening and will actually go then. Then about 4 a.m., she goes again in the house, outside the box. She is only a year old. She has been vet checked.I have another kitty (her sister)that isn't too bright. I really think she had some kind of oxygen deprivation at birthbecause everything was hard for her to learn. She was the last to litterbox train but after constant retraining, she finally mastered the concept. She never misses now. The one that misses, learned the concept early but just ignores it. She is the only catthat I have owned in my life that did this. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might help. Our geriatric kitty, Julie (mylittle brother named her 16 years ago), will not go tothe bathroom unless we open the door for her to go. Nevermind the fact that right in front of her there isa kitty door that leads to the kitties' bathroom (it'sa room inside our garage we built for the litter boxesthat you have to go through to get to the garage;works great!). She doesn't want to go through thekitty door. It's so funny. She will tell us whenshe's ready to go. Maybe you could build your kitty alittle bathroom or put her box in a bathroom or someother room where no one else can use the box and takeher in the mornings and evenings and before you go tobed. You never know. She might catch on.;)Wendy--- Lewis Faye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I really think my kitty needs to be an only kitty in a
household and there isn't much I can do about that. Placing cats in these parts is impossible because every cat lover has at least 3 more than they already need. Plus, I adore her and don't want to give her away. I clean boxes twice a day. Plus, they have the option to go outside which most of them prefer. I have read all the books and done everything I know. She gets along with the other cats in that she doesn't get into fights and gets her share of the food. She just doesn't want to use a box they have used. No matter how clean it is. The litter does not matter. I can't find a place to put a box where she is the only cat that will use it. She does the best she can and I do the best I can. I don't think she is horribly stressed out as much as just particular. She's a very cheerful cat. BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I recommed Patricia McConnell's book "The Fastidious Feline". She is an animal behaviorist who appears on Wisconsin Public Radio. http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-whse.php Boonie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: wendy Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:26 pm Subject: Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I know what you mean. We have a kitty that isn't doing so great at the box, and will probably have to replace the carpet eventually, but like you, NO WAY IN HELL, excuse my French, that I would pts. No way. There are always other options. That's just cruelty, laziness, self-centeredness, or whatever you want to call it. If you aren't going to stick it out with
the animal until it's natural end, then don't get it in the first place! An animal is not some ornament to decorate your home or to entertain children. Animals come with responsibilities. Sorry about the rant...Wendy--- Lewis Faye wrote: This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I have a female that is bad about missing the box.She is physically okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for
the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening concept to me. wendy wrote: I didn't know that the number one reason cats are euthanized is because of their lack of litter habits; that is SO sad. I believe it though. My husband's brother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleep this past spring because it was urinating in their new home in the dining room. I was SICK when I found out. If I had known beforehand, I would have taken her myself. My husband just told me that they had to put their cat to sleep, which meant to me that she was very ill. But the next time I went over there,
I asked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty (she looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable, and they told me she was urinating in the dining room. So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was so angry. Then they have the nerve to get another kitten for their little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved" cat, and then decide they didn't want it either, and when they were talking about it, I just asked them to not talk about

Re: Sigh...





Ditto my dear. I love some of the purebred dogs, but I love ALL dogs
and if it's a choice between giving up the purebred cats, or dogs and
saving the lonely little souls out there dying everyday for lack of a
home, well then, that's not much of a choice is it?
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  In a message dated 11/29/05 1:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I'll realize
there are good reasons for breeding. 

  
  Sorry, with the number of innocents MURDERED every day in
shelters, I personally can not see ANY REASON, GOOD OR
OTHERWISE, FOR BREEDING
  Patti

RE: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

Title: Message



One 
friend of mine was privately defending to me another friend who had 
*bought* a puppy and was apparently considering getting rid of him---too much 
work (yeah, I know---what am I doing with friends like this). I didn't know 
this--thedog "guardian"apparently said that she knew I wd disown her 
if she did that.
Anyway, the defense was, well, at least it's better she 
admits defeat and gives the dog up. All I could snarl in response was, well, 
people don't give their kids up when they find out they're hard work, do they? 
(I know, probably there are some who do, but generally people 
don't.)


-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 
3:44 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: 
euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits
I can't even stand reading this string of emails because 
it's so upsetting.. but I also know that it's common... I have a friend who is a 
vet tech and she tells me that it happens all the time.. she so far adopted 
about 6 of kitties who were brought to the clinic and one dog because they are 
otherwise perfectly healthy... it makes me s sad and 
mad and am afraid to find out how 
often this happens.

I have many cats at home who have a same problem... and yes 
it's frustrating and I get mad at them..but I can't imagine putting them sleep 
for it... I have a co-worker who did that.. he got rabies vaccinations and it 
damgaed his brain and started urinating out side of litter box and she killed 
him.. how awful is that.. if she had told me, I would have adopted him in a 
heart beat.. this was a couple of years ago and still makes me cry thinking 
about him. he was a very shy and timid sweet boy.. he did not do anythign 
wrong.. he was a victim of vaccine


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, 
Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:38 PMTo: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: euthanizing kitties for 
bathroom habits

What 
sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience in 
this respect is.




-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing 
kitties for bathroom habits
This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. I 
have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically 
okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and 
just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have 
multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile flooring. 
In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning products for the 
carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the most sickening 
concept to me. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 
I 
  didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of 
  their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it though. My 
  husband'sbrother and his wife decided to put their cat to sleepthis 
  past spring because it was urinating in! their newhome in the dining room. 
  I was SICK when I found out.If I had known beforehand, I would have taken 
  hermyself. My husband just told me that they had to puttheir cat to 
  sleep, which meant to me that she wasvery ill. But the next time I went 
  over there, Iasked what was wrong with Angel, and adorable kitty(she 
  looked like a Ragamuffin), so sweet and loveable,and they told me she was 
  urinating in the dining room.So I said, "So you just killed her?!" I was 
  soangry. Then they have the nerve to get another kittenfor their 
  little girl, I guess a more "well-behaved"cat, and then decide they didn't 
  want it either, andwhen they were talking about it, I just asked them 
  tonot talk about it anymore because I didn't want toknow what they did 
  with that kitten. We hadThanksgiving dinner there this past week, and I 
  reallyjust have to pretend none of that ever happened or Iwould not be 
  very pleasant to be around. I catchmyself wishing bad things on them when 
  I think aboutAngel, like 1000 cats converging on their home atnight 
  while they are sleeping and peeing and pooingEVERYWHERE, so that they 
  house is NEVER the same, oreven worse things. And then I chastise myself 
  forwishing ill on others. Life is so not fair. I thinkthat should be 
  SO illegal. But we allow abortion inthe U.S., and since animals are lower 
  on the totempole than humans in society, I guess there's not 
  muchchance of it becoming 
  illegal.:)Wendy__ 
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Another thing..
People desiring a pure-bred cat, dog can do "searches" on Petfinder/similar 
sites. 
It's amazing how many ofthese pure-breds also suffer the same fate as 
the "others".
Shelters are way over crowded, more animals are being "dumped" than 
adopted, so the cycle continues.
And, when their time is up, well there's no exclusion 
just because these poor souls have pedigrees.
Death does not discriminate. 

Patti

Re: Sigh...

my comment about there always being enough persians came from this reality--i, too, cannot sanction breeding, yetlove the specific characteristics of persians so i feel sort of guilty that i can have the best of both worlds yet, if people were to stop taking in rescued persians, would that really stop the people who keep breeding them? if it truly would, i guess i'd get along fine without them. 
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Re: Sigh...





In a message dated 11/29/05 6:48:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would 
  that really stop the people who keep breeding them?

Unfortunately, I don't ever see an end to breeding.
You have these high profile dog/cat shows...
The "reputable" (choke, choke - ) breeders, only "in it" for 
the "betterment" of the breed.
All the $$$'s involved.
Very sad.
Thenyou have the BYB's and the millers
Very sad.
No, it's not going to end in my lifetime.
(I hate to be such a pessimist, BUT..I've seen too much, and what I've 
seen,I hate)

Gosh, I wish I'd known you 2 years ago, MC. 
Actually, it's only a few days past the 2 year marksince our shelter 
acquired a total of 34 persians..
One breeder busted for neglect, 21 cats seized.
One person, presumed to have beena "chickensh*t" breeder, dumped 13 
persians in the woods surrounding a shelter volunteers' house! (Yeah, those cats 
did real well in snow covered woods with temperatures below 
freezing!!)
Never knew too much about the breed til then.
Poor things, we lost 4 immediately, and later lost 6 more.
Serious health issues that had never been addressed. Females, 
geriatric, that had been used as "baby machines" their entire lives!!
What a mess.

These breeders/BYBs/Millers look at this as a means of making $$$s off the 
flesh  blood of poor, innocentcreatures.
With the way most laws are written, they geta "slap on the hand", pay 
a measly fine and then proceed to set up shop somewhere again...
I know only too well. I am right next door to Lancaster, Pa. and the 
"blood-sucking" Amish and their puppy mills.
Grr..
(It's no surprise I feel totally burnt out after all these years, yes, and 
a "weebit" bitter )

Patti

Saying Goodbye

2005-11-29 Thread Allie Deaver

Well, I took Lola in to get re-evaluated, regarless of the fact that
she has been going downhill fast. The results of the second test and
bloodpanel were not nice, especially with her emerging symptoms. The
fluid in her chest is continuing to accumulate, she stopped eating (Ive
been syringe feeding her a high-cal prescription diet), she is very
anemic and very jaundiced. Her breathing has become very labored and
she isn't really moving around much. After discussions with 2 vets and
quite a few other sources of research (including this list), we've
decided to help her over the bridge after we've had a chance to say
goodbye. She has too many things off in her bloodwork, her red blood
cells appear to be committing suicide, kidney enzymes are elevated,
despite my efforts (pedialyte) to keep her hydrated and her liver
enzymes are high despite my efforts to keep her fed (Hill's a/d). She
is so weak, and since she is a just a kitten, who was born with the
disease, it looks highly unlikely that aggressive treatment would do
anything except buy her a little time. I think I'm at peace with my
decision. I had plans to take a foster in this weekend, which I think
I'll go through with since it will give me something to do and a place
to direct all of my love. Plus, what better tribute to Lola than to
save the life of another cat in need? I've requested that the foster be
vaccinated against FeLV this once, just to be extra careful.

Thanks, everyone.
Allie

Re: Sigh...

2005-11-29 Thread Dudes




Michelle,
That's genius. Will definitely keep that one tucked away for future 
reference. Sandy
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:35 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Sigh...
  
  I have not been following this thread much, but here is what I do to 
  pill: Buy Nutrical or some other tube of gelatinous cat 
  supplement. Stick the pill in the middle of a gob of it. Get 
  behind the cat and hold the cat with one hand, while with the other opening 
  the cat's mouth. With the hand opening the cat's mouth, use one finger to hold 
  the lower jaw down so the cat cannot close the mouth and then with the finger 
  that has the goo/pill on it stick the gob on the back of the tongue or 
  down the throat. This always works for me, even with cats hard to pill. 
  Another version is to cut the tip off a 1 cc or 3 cc plastic syringe so it has 
  a wide opening, suck up some Nutrical or other goo in it, stick the pill in 
  that, and use the syringe like a piller to pop the pill and goo down the cat's 
  throat.
  Michelle

Re: Saying Goodbye

Allie my thoughts are with you and your Lola,it sounds like you have her best interests in mind.Good for you to foster a recue kitty,I have volunteered at a kitty rescue here,one place is healthy adoptable furbabies and the other place is for Felv pos and Fiv kitties,I just got home from my second night from the felv babies and I just love them to pieces.There are about 50 or more there and over 100 at the other.I needed something to do after work since my Maizee passed 2 weeks ago,I just hate being home,so in her honor I am helping out other sick kitties.You are in my prayers,kiss your baby for me. SherryAllie Deaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I took Lola in to get re-evaluated, regarless of the fact that she has been going downhill fast. The results of the second test and bloodpanel were not nice, especially with her
emerging symptoms. The fluid in her chest is continuing to accumulate, she stopped eating (Ive been syringe feeding her a high-cal prescription diet), she is very anemic and very jaundiced. Her breathing has become very labored and she isn't really moving around much. After discussions with 2 vets and quite a few other sources of research (including this list), we've decided to help her over the bridge after we've had a chance to say goodbye. She has too many things off in her bloodwork, her red blood cells appear to be committing suicide, kidney enzymes are elevated, despite my efforts (pedialyte) to keep her hydrated and her liver enzymes are high despite my efforts to keep her fed (Hill's a/d). She is so weak, and since she is a just a kitten, who was born with the disease, it looks highly unlikely that aggressive treatment would do anything except buy her a little time. I think I'm at peace with my decision. I had plans to take a foster in this weekend, which I think I'll go
through with since it will give me something to do and a place to direct all of my love. Plus, what better tribute to Lola than to save the life of another cat in need? I've requested that the foster be vaccinated against FeLV this once, just to be extra careful.Thanks, everyone.Allie
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Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

2005-11-29 Thread Dudes

Title: Message



This thread upsets me too, but I amof the 
belief thatif afamily memberhas a problem, we don't put them 
to sleep, do we?

I heard someone at work telling a water cooler 
story, and it was just horrifying to me, I just can't ever forget it. The 
guysaid that he and hiswife and kidsleft forseveral days 
at a relative's house, and they forgotten that theyhad letthe 
outside cat in the house.The cat's food and water were outside 
on the patio. The poor cathad no food or water for 5 days. 

While the family was gone, the kitty got so 
hungry, she had jumped up on the counter andfound bread. She chewed 
through the bag and ate the only thing she could find, which was the 
bread. Since cats don't eat bread, of course itupset her 
tummy. She had diarrhea all over the house.
When thisfamily got home and his wife saw the 
mess that the kitty made, she dropped her bags, went straight for the kitty, 
grabbed her up, stuffed her in a pet carrier and took her straight to the humane 
society. The guy said the kids were crying, "NO!, Momma, don't! We love 
her!" but to no avail. The cat waspunished because this selfish 
woman got angry because she had to clean up cat poo. I was so angry when I 
heard this story. Well, no one likes to clean up cat poo, but can you 
imagine how very hungry the poor kitty must have been first of all to eat 
bread. And second of all, how anxious she must have felt, being locked in 
the house while her family was gone when she was used to being outside? I 
don't even know the cat's name, but my heart breaks every time I think about 
her.

Both of my dogs arenot 
100%on their housebreaking, and I've known few dogs who are. 
But while it is a pain to clean after the 
dogsall the time, I understand that they are both old, and are relatively 
anxious dogs.Our old beagle Bailey is a rescue after being 
abandoned, and she looked so sadfor so longeven after we adopted 
her, I know someone broke her heart. She's brightened up a bit, but 
someone has crushed her self esteem, and sheis very sensitive. 
Anychange in routine, and shecreates a lake in the den (that now has 
tile in it!)Same with other old dog.If the beagle pees, he 
pees, too. If we stay gone too long, we worry about them. But they 
are our family. We have just been slowly 
converting all the flooring in my house to tile.Weclean the 
furniture regularly, and have to wipe everything down in piddle 
range... 
Sandy

--- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:43 
  PM
  Subject: RE: euthanizing kitties for 
  bathroom habits
  
  I can't even stand reading this string of emails because 
  it's so upsetting.. but I also know that it's common... I have a friend who is 
  a vet tech and she tells me that it happens all the time.. she so far adopted 
  about 6 of kitties who were brought to the clinic and one dog because they are 
  otherwise perfectly healthy... it makes me s sad and 
  mad and am afraid to find out 
  how often this happens.
  
  I have many cats at home who have a same problem... and 
  yes it's frustrating and I get mad at them..but I can't imagine putting them 
  sleep for it... I have a co-worker who did that.. he got rabies vaccinations 
  and it damgaed his brain and started urinating out side of litter box and she 
  killed him.. how awful is that.. if she had told me, I would have adopted him 
  in a heart beat.. this was a couple of years ago and still makes me cry 
  thinking about him. he was a very shy and timid sweet boy.. he did not do 
  anythign wrong.. he was a victim of vaccine
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, 
  Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:38 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: euthanizing kitties for 
  bathroom habits
  
  What 
  sort of vet agrees to it, anyway? Hmmm, I must ask my vet what his experience 
  in this respect is.
  
  
  
  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis 
  FayeSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:13 PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: euthanizing kitties for 
  bathroom habits
  This makes me sick. I hate people that do this. 
  I have a female that is bad about missing the box. She is physically 
  okay. I think her problem is that she is the lowest in the hierarchy and 
  just gets nervous about using the more dominant kitties' boxes (I do have 
  multiple boxes.). Now, I will eventually get ceramic tile 
  flooring. In the mean time, I will spend a small fortune on cleaning 
  products for the carpet. I WOULD NEVER EUTHANIZE HER. That is just the 
  most sickening concept to me. wendy 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  I 
didn't know that the number one reason cats areeuthanized is because of 
their lack of litter habits;that is SO sad. I believe it

Re: Saying Goodbye




Allie,
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and Lola. Sometimes knowing 
when tolet go is the greatest gift we give our 
furbabies, and the most unselfish thing we can do for them.
Wishing you both a peaceful time during your last hours together.
And what better way to honor Lola's memory than providing a home for a 
needy furbaby
Hugs,
Patti

For Sherry




Sherry,
Just wanted to tell you that volunteering your time with shelter cats is 
something that is not only beneficial for those kitties, but the rewards you 
will get out of volunteering can not be measured
I am sure Maizee is smiling down at you and grinning, thinking, "What a 
special Mom I have."
And, she is right.
Hugs,
Patti

Re: euthanizing kitties for bathroom habits

what really scares me is what this type of human will be like when one
of their children makes a mistake

--
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?




Sandy,
Aw, that is just "too" cute.
Can't even think of why she's bringing you gifts though... It is 
quirky as you said, but very endearing too. I'd feel very "honored".
All I ever get is "whacked" on the head with the water bowl ( a 
very large stainless steel communal bowl). Yes, heaven forbid 
it becomes empty during the night. (Doesn't help matters that the Coon boys see 
it as a wading pool.)
Lucy, my neurotic K-9, will promptly pick up the bowl and find me sleeping, 
then..WHACK, hits me on the head before dropping the bowl to the floor! 
Ouch!
I'd much rather have some dirty laundry
Then again, maybe not.
If "they" could only talk
Hugs,
Patti

Re: For Sherry

Thank you so much Patti,your message made me cry.It doesn't take much though.I do miss my baby girl.I know she loved me.And I am already getting attached to these sweet sweet kitties,one of them that I really was drawn to last night had to go to the clinic today,he looked very weak but he was still so loving,please say some prayers for sweet Arthur.Thank you  Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sherry,  Just wanted to tell you that volunteering your time with shelter cats is something that is not only beneficial for those kitties, but the rewards you will get out of volunteering can not be measured  I am sure Maizee is smiling down at you and grinning, thinking, "What a special Mom I have." 
 And, she is right.  Hugs,  Patti
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Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?

Sandy that is so cute,just consider it a loving thing.My Maizee used to bring milk rings,hair ties and even knee hi to me in the middle of the night.I am just glad she never caught a mouse.I am sure it would have ended up on my pillow.I woke up one night and had a nylon on my pillow and it scared the poop right out of me until I realized it was one of her little ways of wanting to play. your kitty sounds so cute. SherryDudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is off topic, but I have a burning question that i'm hoping someone can answer! Maybe shed a little light! Why does my cat do this: My oldest female Miss is
constantly bringing us *gifts*. She does this while meowing very loudly. We always know when she is coming with a gift, because she announces itwhile she is bringing it.She brings us her toysmostly,a fuzzy ball,a toy mouse or sometimes it issomething of ours. She is constantly bringing out our socks,a shoe if she can carry it in her mouth,a bra, even a roll of toilet paper. She raids our closets and climbs the shelves to find what she wants. If we shut the doors to the closets, she tears up toilet paper or paper towels, so we just let her do her thing.Most of the time, we notice she does this when she wakes up anddoesn't find anyone around. She will start meowing and searching for
something. We've leftthe house before, and left her napping, only to come back to find a pile of toys and socks or undergarments (clean, dirty, doesn't matter) in the front room.It got really bad when she firstcame to usand she had a litter of kittens. She would steal shirts, towels, anything she could carry in to her kittens!So I think it is her way of doing something for us.I wonder if she thinks of us as her kittens, and she must take care of us.It's very endearing, but Iwould love to know why she doesthis! I think if she went outside, neighbors would be missing thier socks, too! We have caught her digging in our laundry, getting anything she can find that she can carry in her mouth and bring to us.Sometimes she will stomp on whatever it is, and then pretend to wrestle it before
she deposits it for us. Then she will look expectantly up at us, and Meow? We tell her thank you, and then she look proud of herself, and willgo offtoget something else. It's harmless and kind of cute, but kind of quirky. Does anyone have any ideas why she might do this? Sandy
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Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?




I don't know why, but it sure is cute! What a cool cat! My Snowshoe carries 
things in her mouth while meowing loudly, and looking around frantically like 
she thinks someone is going to take it from her, but she never brings the item 
to us, she just walks around meowing with it in her mouth. I assumed it was 
typical Siamese behavior, I have heard they are very quirky and talkative 
cats.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt 
a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a 
FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a 
FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If 
you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them 
to!~Does 
your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your 
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Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?




LMFAO Sandy! Do you think the dog is trying to tell you that the cats are 
driving him nuts because they bother him when they are out of water?
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt 
a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a 
FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a 
FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If 
you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them 
to!~Does 
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Re: Saying Goodbye




Peace in passing to Lola, and to you in your time of grief. It sounds like 
you've made a good decision, and I think that honoring her by saving another cat 
right away is a great tribute to her.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt 
a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a 
FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a 
FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If 
you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them 
to!~Does 
your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your 
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The 
test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test 
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Re: Sigh...




"I am right next door to Lancaster, Pa. and the 
"blood-sucking" Amish and their puppy mills.
Grr.."

The Amish treat their horses horribly too, many a horse bound for slaughter 
was sent there by the Amish once they had broken it down so much with over work 
and neglect that it wasn't "useful" to them anymore. I'm sure you know about the 
New Holland sale, being close to it there HORRIBLE!
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a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a 
FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a 
FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If 
you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them 
to!~Does 
your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your 
cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The 
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Re: For Sherry




Sherry,
I didn't mean to make you cry..
I know how hard it is loosing a precious furbaby. I still cry when I 
talk about my Mr.Chow. He was the first cat I lost, and he also was the first 
cat I lost to Felv. Back then hardly anything was known about Felv, they hadn't 
even started testing for it routinely.
All I know was he was my world, and it was shattered for a very long time 
after I lost him.
So, I commend you for getting out and spending time with the shelter 
babies.
Your time spent with them means so much. I know. That's how I got 
started with all my work in rescue, by volunteering at the local shelter. 
(Incidentally, I started after the loss of my Chubina aka Princess Beanie. My 
home was broken into. I didn't care about the materiel things 
that were stolen. But the bast*rds left the door open  
Beanie wandered out, and not being street savvy, well)
Volunteering opened a whole new world for me. Literally, it changed 
my whole life. In a positive way.
That's been a million years ago it seems. I'm older now, not as 
active as I once was. I still do what I can though.
I sometimes come off harsh, jaded in my posts. Not intentionally, I don't 
think. 
I've seen a lot. My eyes have been forever opened to the harsh 
realities in this world.
So whenever I hear of someone venturing into volunteer work, I feel I must 
congratulate them. And encourage them to continue. Every little bit 
helps. One person can and does make a 
difference. Just think of all the joy your visits bring to 
these babies.
I encourage you to continue to volunteer. Sometimes you might feel 
that your heart is "too full", or maybe breaking because you get 
overwhelmed. That's normal, you wouldn't be human if those feelings didn't 
arise some time or another. Sometimes we need to step back and take a 
break.
Just don't give up. The future of rescue work is always in need of 
new faces.
I am sure Maizee isn't the only one who's proud of her Mom!
And, I will keep Arthur in my prayers. Please keep me updated on his 
condition. Why don't you ask Belinda to add him to the Prayer List for 
next Monday's CLS??
(A beautiful service. Monday nights are so special)
Ok...I am crying now!
Take care Sherry!
Hugs,
Patti

Re: Sigh...





In a message dated 11/29/05 11:31:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm sure 
  you know about the New Holland sale, being close to it there 
  HORRIBLE!

OMG!! That is horrid! I went to a sale once with a friend in Horse 
Rescue, and I must say I have NEVER felt so helpless and disgusted 
in my entire life!!
I seriously will never be able to go to another auction like that.
I was so sickened, disgusted, totally fed up with the world!!
My friend has a Horse Rescue, and bless her soul, she goes to that place 
and helps as many as she can escape the slaughterhouse or glue factory. (Or 
pet food companies, UGH!!)
One time she brought back a baby pig she found on the "dead" pile Only 
thing was the piglet was NOT dead. Just too ill to be sold, so he was 
thrown out like garbage. And that's exactly what they do to ALL the poor 
creatures that don't "fare" well on their "final journey" _ toss them into a 
pile with all the other "downed" animals! Like garbage, let them rot 
there!
Good God, what kind of world are we living in??!!
And what "slays" me is
Lancaster County makes millions, maybe billions of dollars with their 
tourism. People flock from all corners of the world to see the "quaint, 
God-fearing" Amish.
Quaint, God-fearing, my a$$!!!
Blood suckers.
Epitome of evil.
Makes me sick, hiding behind their "faith". Bull Sh*t!
Well, all I can say, if there is indeed a God, 
those people should fear him!!
Patti
(I rant, 
therefore, I 
am...)

Re: Off topic, but why does my cat do this?





In a message dated 11/29/05 11:24:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you 
  think the dog is trying to tell you that the cats are driving him nuts because 
  they bother him when they are out of water?

Who knows with Lucy
Maybe she finds it entertaining watching these 2 big cats try to swim in 
the bowl?? (And that's mostly how the bowl becomes empty all the time. 
I used to put a few inches in the bathtub for them, they LOVE the water! 
But since I've moved, I only have I full bath and a half bath, and my "partner" 
isn't keen on sharing the tub with the boys! Party Pooper!)
All I can say is, IT HURTS!!

medicating Brooklyn

2005-11-29 Thread veggiepugs

Well...
i got to the vet hospital and they said your appt is for thursday! i said no, 
this is important to do now, so i have to 
see someone now, i said my cat is sick and needs medication that I can't give 
him so I have to see someone about it 
he cant go on like this he feels terrible. The girl was SO nice and i saw the 
head honcho vet who is always impossible 
to get an appt with. He showed me how to adminster meds and i said you make it 
look so easy (he did this with 
liquid form) and the vet tech then showed me a way and told me instead of a 
towel, to sit on the bed with the 
comforter aroudn him. She said i could also put him in his carrier and this way 
he has no where to go but that looked 
a little harder. They showed me how to hold his head and said not to be afraid 
to hold the scruff. I think I'm too 
easy, I need to be more assertive and let him know he has to do this...ITS FOR 
HIS OWN GOOD! Lol now i really 
sound like a mom! Well, I wanted to be sure I could do it, so I tried holding 
him the way she showed me an he was 
pretty good. They did agree though that he's a tough one. They were able to get 
in the meds, but he spit some out! 
So it was as if he were like FINE! you got me but im just gonna spit it out! 
THERE! lol. Well, they gave me a 1cc 
syringe but they had used the fatter one, and i said hey this looks like a lot 
more, i know it's not but i have to put a 
whole syringe in while the other one looks like less and goes faster (no way i 
was gonna push that skinny plunger alll 
the way down) so i said gimme the fat one. it will go quicker. So they gave me 
both. LOL. 

Patti, the dr told me that both met. and famitidone or however you spell it 
both only come in IV...though he looked 
kind of unsure of that...i think he didnt think i could inject. I said listen, 
i want to do whatever i have to do to treat 
him at home. I do not want him in the hospital. If i have to inject him, I will 
do it, and you can show me how. Well 
he gave me that story and said he would flavor it with some fish taste (YUCK!) 
and make it liquid. So, no more pills! 
they did give him a pill no problem though...looked so easy! It's the front 
legs. Someone needs to hold his front legs! 
so I'm going to try the comforter and quick syringe tomorrow. Wish me luck. At 
least they gave him a nice dose at the 
vets for today. He ate dinner. Yay! The vet said...that he is eating is a 
god sign. Yay! So day by dayday by 
day.

Hugs...i love everyone here already...and if you didn't guess it already...im a 
huge mushy sentimental person so 
beware of the occasional emotional outbursts. LOL!

Brooklyn says THANKS A LOT EVERYONE lol but really he means thank you. lol

hugs
Rebecca

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