Re: Please add Papoose to CLS
My deepest condolences to you for the loss of you sweet Papoose. You did a wonderful thing, to give him a life of love and companionship. To you, it was short, to him, it was a lifetime of love. May you find peace in your memories of him. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: Bailey has gone home
I just don't know Belinda, it is kinda weird, that his blood glucose stayed so level with that severe of a pancreas problem. I doubt it was the raw diet, lots of people are doing raw these days with great results. Personally I just too lazy to do anything more than to refill and gravity feeder of kibble from a bag once a week, and to give the occasional canned food with supplements just for a treat (and for my peace of mind). I don't think it was anything you did, or that you didn't do, I think it just happened, and sometimes it's hard to just accept that, because that means you have to admit that some things are beyond your control, and we try so had to control everything, to do everything right, to be so careful, and then something like this comes along and just CRUSHES everything we've been doing for so long, and it just sucks the wind out of your sails. Just remember, just because you're the captain of the ship, doesn't mean you're not at the mercy of the forces of nature, but you can't just abandon all hope, and become lost in the sea of it all. You have to re-rig the sails of life, and keep trying to find your bearings, and if you put up a good struggle, you'll most likely end up getting to complete your journey, landing on the shore a wiser person for all the struggle, and with a deeper respect for not only yourself, but also for the things you can't control. And that, is peace, true inner peace. I'm not a Christian, but there's a saying they have that's very wise: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. My back is killing me, I'm off to bed, night everyone! With deepest sincere wishes of Peace, Serenity, Courage, and Wisdom to you all, Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) Life is a rollercoaster of emotion, you might as well be in the front seat, where the view is good, and the wind is in your face. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: is vitamin C out?
it was some kind of ultra pure aloe extract that you fed to them, if I recall. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: fw from Robert Macdowell (herbalist) (litter, and my invention, the endless litter litterbox)
There's a good wheat based scoopable too, called SWheat Scoop. Never tried it, but have heard good reviews from others (and I believe the clumps are flushable too). I like the idea of corn or wheat based litters, we KNOW those are relatively safe, I mean, they are ingredients in many cheaper cat foods! When they successfully make a GOOD absorbent rice litter I'll be first in line! LOL, I ran out of litter once, but had a big box of cream of wheat breakfast cereal... but it didn't absorb much. I think rolled oats might work though.. anyone got an old bag of quaker oats that's rotting in the pantry, for the sake of science? In the past, when I was really poor (this was years ago, mind you) I just went out into the yard and dug up some dirt to put in the litterbox. Sandy soil is MUCH preferable to good dirt, at least it doesn't turn into mud clods. I'm still trying to figure out my endless litter self-cleaning litterbox. Uses aquarium or pea gravel over a small 1/4 grid rabbit wire base over a dropped "waste" receptacle with built in plumbing so it actually all flushes away, pee goes right through it, then it self rinses it after the cat leaves the box with a non-toxic white vinegar "douche" (you know the floral scented vinegar kind) that is heated and sprays down over the "litter" from above. But the poo is an issue I'm still trying to figure out (solid poo anyways, diarrhea would just rinse away like pee). I would need to rake it somehow. Then I got the idea of using stainless steel BB type pellets instead of gravel. Make it a covered box, with a high powered electromagnet in the cover. After the cat leaves the box, the douche cycle comes on, then after that finishes, the electromagnet kicks on, and WHAM, all the BBs instantly pop up to the roof of the box, then the base uses a robotic arm to swing the rabbit wire base down, and the poop is dumped into the bottom "waste" receptacle. The robotic arm whacks it a few times on a brace built in for that purpose, to get any turds that are clinging to fall off the rabbit wire. Then it swings back up, locks back in place, the magnet shuts off, the litter BBs fall back down, the whole system flushes using the built in toilet-like plumbing that clears the waste receptacle, and it's ready for the next user. LOLOLOL!! OK, so I have too much time on my hands... Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: is vitamin C out?
I used aloe vera for gum problems with fiv cats back in the day but never heard of it helping felv itself Karen
Re: is vitamin C out?
what ever became of that Aloe Vera stuff that was supposedly a miracle cure for FELV? Remember, we discussed it back in 2002 or so... Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: [CRF] Re :Ivermectin dangerous?
Well, yeah, if her cat walked through a puddle of it, and licked her paws, of course that's an overdose, and it's toxic. The dose given to cats in clinics is less than .1CC I believe, like a DROP or two. http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/physical_exam__ear_tip http://www.auburn.edu/prevet/catnap/protocols/physicalexameartip.htm http://www.saveacat.org/acr_articles/vet_care_quide_ferals.htm http://www.petrescue.com/library/earmites.htm In addition, some fda approved heartworm preventives use ivermectin for cats: http://www.medi-vet.com/detail.aspx~ID~1732 And just for balance, yes, you have to be CAREFUL, unless you are an experienced shelter worker with at least some veterinary background, you probably shouldn't use Ivermection off label on your cats: http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/Steenbergen-Tox_Brief.pdf?docID=4081 Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: Kerry and Bandy
Kerry, I really do highly recommend the soft paws claw covers. At least temporarily, so he doesn't make himself bleed! I did it to Mythic when he was digging holes in himself, it helps a LOT! makes them mad, but helps... Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: fw from Robert Macdowell (herbalist)
I'm not sure where I first heard that Michelle. It was over a year ago though, on a big list like this one, a huge debate and websites and papers to back it up and to debate it. Lots of controversy. Personally, I use CEDAR litter, the feral cats prefer it, in fact, if I give them clay litter, they use the bedding and refuse the box. They only go in the box if it's got cedarific litter in it. For my housecats, I have 4 boxes, two with scoopable clay litters, one cedarific box, and one box I switch depending on what's on sale. One they all HATE, invariably though, is the Feline Pine. it's pine wood based, but it's big hard pellets, they wont use it, period. Cedarific is very soft fine shavings, more like a coarse sawdust (but it's not dusty). One I really like a lot, is the Feline Fresh scoopable, it's corn or wood based (I forget which now, but they sell it at the all natural food store). The cats like it too, but it's way too expensive for 6 cats. If I were a cat, I would hands down prefer the cedarific, it's so soft, not dusty, and isn't full of strong artificial perfumes, yet still smells good. I think if I could fit, I would curl up in my litterbox and SLEEP on it, LOL! I got tons of warnings and people telling me I was nuts for using it, but so far, NO sick cats, and I've been using it for years now. Still, I was told pine and cedar (and all evergreen resins) are toxic to cats, so I had to mention it. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Please add Papoose to CLS
I put Papoose feluk + to sleep today after he was running a 106.4 temp for the past 4 days and it wasnt going down he also was anemic and had a heart mummer and wasnt getting better. He lived a wonderful life of 8 months in our house with our dogs and our other feluk + cat. I miss him dearly and am happy he did not suffer. He was found on the streets of queens as a tiny little 5 week old kitten and brought to the shelter I work at. He came up postive on both test and I decided to adopt him instead of them putting him down. I am just sad that we did not have more time with him. Thank you. From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Subject: Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS?Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:46:25 -0400 I'm not sure if he/she got rescued or killed. I'm not sure even if the shelter he is at is a humane euth shelter, MANY of them still use gas chambers, you know. I hope he was humanely euthed by now... or rescued and given medical care, one of the two (though I think euth would be kinder). I was hoping to get him/her on the CLS in the part where we pray for healing and comfort to those that are still with us. I did get several people saying they emailed about him, but did not get a reply yet. I sent a note to the purrever ranch, they are the ones who first posted the message, maybe they have more contact info than was in the post. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Diabetic cat seems OK!!!!
This is the message Rita posted on another board… soundsl ike good news… Following is an email, I received from Dr. Lisa Pierson, DVM [EMAIL PROTECTED] kittysaver @ (aol.com) What a wonderful world it is for cats with Dr. Pierson in it! Here is Dr. Pierson's Email regarding the Diabetic kitty that was going to be Euth yesterday: To all: I contacted Richard and gave him the link to my website which has a lot of very valuable information on Feline Diabetes diet and management. I am not on several of the groups on this email list so please feel free to forward this email to those groups. (Rita...could you forward?) Hopefully, the members will find benefit in looking at my website: http://www.catinfo.org I just spent 30 min on the phone with him and Dodger (his cat) is going to get her diet changed and will go on insulin so euthanasia is NOT being considered. With any luck, Dodger will end up being diet controlled and not need insulin as that does happen on occasion. If not, then insulin will be administered. Lisa Pierson, dvm http://www.catinfo.org Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition Feline Diabetes and Diet: The High Carbohydrate Culprit Quality Commercial Canned Foods Making Cat Food The Litter Box From Your Cat's Point of View Pilling Cats and Dogs - Erosive Esophagitis Rita Cockrell Wood, Founder PurrEver Ranch Sanctuary (A Hospice For Senior Kittizens) Website: http://www.purreverranch.org Spring Mewsletter: http://www.gotcats.org/springmews06.html BE A RESCUER without ever having to clean a litterbox or pick up a hairball! Sponsor A Senior Kittizen! http://www.gotcats.org/sponsor.html "If only the waifs, the strays, the sick, the abused would be sure to get entrance to the home, and anybody could feel at liberty to bring in a starved or ill-treated animal and have it cared for without pay, my object would be attained.". Ellen M Gifford Sheltering Home For Animals Boston 1884 Saving Just One Cat Won't Change The World But It Will Surely Change The World Of One Cat. Please Give...So They Can Live Raise money for PurrEver Ranch Sanctuary just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - http://www.goodsearch.com - powered by YAHOO! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? I'm not sure if he/she got rescued or killed. I'm not sure even if the shelter he is at is a humane euth shelter, MANY of them still use gas chambers, you know. I hope he was humanely euthed by now... or rescued and given medical care, one of the two (though I think euth would be kinder). I was hoping to get him/her on the CLS in the part where we pray for healing and comfort to those that are still with us. I did get several people saying they emailed about him, but did not get a reply yet. I sent a note to the purrever ranch, they are the ones who first posted the message, maybe they have more contact info than was in the post. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels!
Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion
Simon's went from 11 up to 13 from a transfusion and then with proper treatment for lymphoma went back up to 30 for a while. Michelle In a message dated 5/9/2006 7:40:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Flavia was down to between 6-7.5 on June 22/05 when she had her transfusion.The transfusion raised her PCV to 21 but it gradually dropped again over thenext 2 weeks and she was euthanized when it reached 10 on July 6.The 2 weeks at least gave breathing space to try other measures.
Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS?
I'm not sure if he/she got rescued or killed. I'm not sure even if the shelter he is at is a humane euth shelter, MANY of them still use gas chambers, you know. I hope he was humanely euthed by now... or rescued and given medical care, one of the two (though I think euth would be kinder). I was hoping to get him/her on the CLS in the part where we pray for healing and comfort to those that are still with us. I did get several people saying they emailed about him, but did not get a reply yet. I sent a note to the purrever ranch, they are the ones who first posted the message, maybe they have more contact info than was in the post. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
Re: Kerry and Bandy
Hi Wendy, Sorry I haven't answered this as I haven't had a chance to even get on the computer.. Bandy's seems to be able to see a little now...the doctor upped his eye meds, but didn't give us much hope...we go back on Thurs for a re-check..It takes us a little over 2 hrs to get there...It is the Animal Opthamology Clinic located off Trinity Mills and the toll road..It is in the Veterinary Referral Center of North Texas...same place his internal med doctor is located...Have you ever been there? Anyway, I guess the ringworm is getting better on BAndy and Inky...I am having a terrible time with Inky's as he won't quit scratching it...and he keeps it all bleeding.. I will let you know what they say on Thurs.. Kerry, Bandy and Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS?
I'm confused--has the poor MN kitten already been euthanized? Or is the CLS request about a different kitty? Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:01 AM Subject: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS? This makes me want to physically PUKE my guts up! SO pointless, so horrible, and SO irresponsible! I hope the shelter at least HUMANELY euthanizes! It could be a GAS chamber. You would think the "owners" could have at LEAST put out the extra $ to have her HUMANELY killed, but NO she has to SUFFER, with mutilated feet, in total blindness and disorientation, in a SHELTER, with all the barking dogs and the horrible atmosphere! I wish, I pray, someday, that I can KILL the people who do things like this, with my own hands, slowly! I will PAY for the euthanasia myself if ANYONE on the list is in MN and can go get her first thing tomorrow! Sorry so off topic, but this is just TOO infuriating and heart-breaking! When when when will the torture end? How many have to die this way? CROSSPOSTING! DO NOT HIT REPLY! Contact email below: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Hello, I have been contacted about a kitten in MN that needs a home. Sheis a 10 month old DSH. Her heart stopped during a declaw surgery. She isnow blind and has short term memory loss. Her family dropped her off ata kill shelter. If you can help please contact Shana[EMAIL PROTECTED]Thanks! Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006
Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion
Flavia was down to between 6-7.5 on June 22/05 when she had her transfusion. The transfusion raised her PCV to 21 but it gradually dropped again over the next 2 weeks and she was euthanized when it reached 10 on July 6. The 2 weeks at least gave breathing space to try other measures. - Original Message - From: "Hideyo Yamamoto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: FW: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion Hi, if anyone has an experience regarding transfusion, please respond immediately as supposedly she scheduled to put her kitty sleep tomorrow - -Original Message- From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:07 PM To: 'linda vann'; kschultz2006 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion Please don't give up yet - PCV 10 is definitely lower than we hope, but considering the fact that all other numbers are not that bad - I think you should definitely consider it. I know you can also use epogen but it will also take a couple of weeks to start building red cell through epogen, and it will be too long for your baby.. and when you get transfusion and you can start on epogen as well. I am also on Felk support group and I know people who have done transfusion for their kitties as well - I am copying the group here just in case you need to post them the message as well. felvtalk@felineleukemia.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of linda vann Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:56 PM To: kschultz2006 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion dear kathy, i have not been down this road but i was wondering if you belong to the anemia group. im sure you will find very experienced people there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ this is information from helens site http://felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm prayers for you and ollie. linda, angel fabians mom in texas --- kschultz2006 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ollie is 19 - CRF since october - we have been > managing well with > subQs and diet. Three days ago Ollie got very weak; > not eating. At a > new vet today, found out he is very anemic - PCV is > 10! Other blood > panel numbers not too bad. Question of doing a > transfusion, then > epogen or calling it the end and putting him to > sleep (which the vet > said she would do if it were her cat). I scheduled > it for Wednesday, > but wondering if it's the right thing. Can he pull > out of this...just > to have another crisis down the road...in how many > days/months from > now? Is this the end point of kidney failure. I'm > crying so much - is > now the time to let him go? He's weak, but still > responsive to me, to > touch. Please, has anyone else gone through a crisis > like this? > Kathy > > > > > > > > > All messages sent to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] are Copyright > 2006 by the original author. Do not forward or > excerpt to another group or nonmember without the > author's permission. > > Any suggestions regarding medical matters are the > opinion of the author. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to > verify all treatment descriptions and advice > received with a qualified veterinarian. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com All messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are Copyright 2006 by the original author. Do not forward or excerpt to another group or nonmember without the author's permission. Any suggestions regarding medical matters are the opinion of the author. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to verify all treatment descriptions and advice received with a qualified veterinarian. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bailey
Hi Belinda, I was so sorry to hear about Bailey's passing...I know exactly how you feel..You know you did all you could for him and gave him the best life possible...Like you said, he if free from the pain and the felv..I am sure he will be meeting up with my Buster and Lil Rascal.. You are in our thoughts and prayers, Take care, Kerry, Bandy, Inky and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase
Re: FW: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion
Bailey had a transfusion a couple of hours before he passed, it did what we wanted it to do but for him it was too late. He needed it to get his platelets up. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FW: [CRF] Re :Ivermectin dangerous?
We had a 6 month old kitten that DIED following his neuter, due to Ivermectin poisoning. They routinely use the Ivermec at the S/N clinics for twofold purposes. One, deworm. And, two, ear mites. After this happened, I REFUSE to have Ivermectin used on any of my cats... (And, the kitten that died was such a healthy, playful, loveable little boy!! What a disaster!) Patti
FW: [CRF] Re :Ivermectin dangerous?
Hi, I am forwarding this information as we have talked bout Ivermectin for ear mite medicine - apparently it can be very very dangerous for kitties, and especially on kittens - so just as FYI. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rita Greslin-Ricard Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CRF] Re :Ivermectin dangerous? > Ivermectin is off label for cats. I use it in very small amounts > (in food) for cats. It CAN be > very dangerous if given too much. Vets used to inject it, but mine > now only have us use it in > food. > > I would personally use something else for ear mites. Tresaderm has > been the treatment of choice > for years- there is now another product called mila- mite (I think > that is it ) that is one dose > in each ear and done. > > Somewhere in my files I have a letter from someone whose cat is > suffering from ivermectin > poisoning- I think the kitty stepped in some - > > It does not take much ivermectin to cause a problem. > Ah yes that would be me . My cat Dusti, walked in some and licked her paws and went into severe tremors and then was in a coma for 3 weeks. She is fully recovered now though, than heavens ! So yes it certainly can be dangerous and I think the key that the dosage must be correct if given. I agree, use something else if it will work just as well. If not then be sure that the vet weighs the cat and gives exactly the right dose. Rita [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] All messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are Copyright 2006 by the original author. Do not forward or excerpt to another group or nonmember without the author's permission. Any suggestions regarding medical matters are the opinion of the author. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to verify all treatment descriptions and advice received with a qualified veterinarian. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
FW: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion
Hi, if anyone has an experience regarding transfusion, please respond immediately as supposedly she scheduled to put her kitty sleep tomorrow - -Original Message- From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:07 PM To: 'linda vann'; kschultz2006 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion Please don't give up yet - PCV 10 is definitely lower than we hope, but considering the fact that all other numbers are not that bad - I think you should definitely consider it. I know you can also use epogen but it will also take a couple of weeks to start building red cell through epogen, and it will be too long for your baby.. and when you get transfusion and you can start on epogen as well. I am also on Felk support group and I know people who have done transfusion for their kitties as well - I am copying the group here just in case you need to post them the message as well. felvtalk@felineleukemia.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of linda vann Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:56 PM To: kschultz2006 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion dear kathy, i have not been down this road but i was wondering if you belong to the anemia group. im sure you will find very experienced people there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ this is information from helens site http://felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm prayers for you and ollie. linda, angel fabians mom in texas --- kschultz2006 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ollie is 19 - CRF since october - we have been > managing well with > subQs and diet. Three days ago Ollie got very weak; > not eating. At a > new vet today, found out he is very anemic - PCV is > 10! Other blood > panel numbers not too bad. Question of doing a > transfusion, then > epogen or calling it the end and putting him to > sleep (which the vet > said she would do if it were her cat). I scheduled > it for Wednesday, > but wondering if it's the right thing. Can he pull > out of this...just > to have another crisis down the road...in how many > days/months from > now? Is this the end point of kidney failure. I'm > crying so much - is > now the time to let him go? He's weak, but still > responsive to me, to > touch. Please, has anyone else gone through a crisis > like this? > Kathy > > > > > > > > > All messages sent to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] are Copyright > 2006 by the original author. Do not forward or > excerpt to another group or nonmember without the > author's permission. > > Any suggestions regarding medical matters are the > opinion of the author. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to > verify all treatment descriptions and advice > received with a qualified veterinarian. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com All messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are Copyright 2006 by the original author. Do not forward or excerpt to another group or nonmember without the author's permission. Any suggestions regarding medical matters are the opinion of the author. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to verify all treatment descriptions and advice received with a qualified veterinarian. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Bailey has gone home
Dear my friend Bailey and Belinda, Hi, Belinda, I just read your posting – I am so very sorry to hear about Bailey – I am crying so very hard reading to find out what happened. And I am crying also because I know how difficult for you not to be able to hold Bailey. But as you mentioned, he is free now.. there is nothing that prevents him from feeling good anymore – I know that Bailey’s soul is right besides you and telling you not to be lonely because you are not.. Bailey loved and and still loves you, and will always love you just like you have, and do and will I know that the pain of losing him is not going to go away – but I will be praying that there will be a way for you to be able to live with the pain a little easier in time – and that’s what I pray for I lose mine… Love to you and your beloved Bailey – Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Bailey has gone home Belinda, I am so, so sorry that you have lost Bailey. I know that nothing I can say will ease your pain, but please know that you and that sweet boy are in my prayers. Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bailey left us at 6:20 this evening. He took a bad turn for the worse late last night and when I took him in this morning for his surgery it was evident he wasn't in good enough shape. We gave him fluids for a couple hours because he was dehydrated, his blood pressure was 60 and his temperature went from 103 yesterday to 98 today, his blood work was normal except his platelet count was low so he wasn't clotting and suregery was out of the question unless we could get his platelet count up. After two hours of fluids and a blood transfusion his platelets came up but his temperature was now 94, 96 puts kitties at risk for heart failure and she couldn't even get a blood pressure. My vet said we have 3 options, we could continue the fluids and support and see if things changed and if they did he could have the surgery tomorrow. Go ahead with the surgery and get in and out as quickly as possible or she could euthanise him. I asked her what she honestly thought of his condition, she said she though he was leaving on his own, I agreed. We talked, I asked her what to expect if he was going to die and she told me what the likely scenarios would be, she gave me a syringe of pain meds incase it got really bad for him, it would basically knock him out so he wouldn't suffer and pass on his own, she had a dinner engagement but told me to call if she was needed. I had told Bailey it was his decision to stay or go, and told him to do what was best for him. I brought him home on the fluids to keep supporting him and if he did turn for the better we would consider the surgery later. His breathing got worse just taking him to the car so I knew in my heart we didn't have long. We had about an hour, he was home with us and we were with him when he left. He is whole now and FeLV free for the first time. We were so lucky to have him for 11 years, his birthday was Monday. I will miss his bouncy, happy personality. He was so special and I learned so much thanks to him. He was our only positive and the one that was responsible for my learning everything I have about FeLV+, he has helped me save many positives and for that I thank him. I miss my little Baidely boys so much already ... take care all. Give your special guys and extra special hug for Bailey. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
mega C use plus other
hi, i have used Mega C plus for more than a few years on all my cats + and -. I also used ambertech ambrotose, vit E 200 iu and a&d 1xwk. one cat is now negative, another cat still positive (but his skin allergies are gone--used to have hair loss etc) and Jelly Roll died before his 2nd birthday 2 yrs ago now, suddenly "crashing". the other cats I have on the C (knock on wood) have had no reoccurence of any flutd/ urinary tract disorders--their crystals were all struvite not oxalate, though. i stopped the ambrotose after jelly roll died. Mr bean is around 8+ yrs adn so is clancy the two felv+. barbara
Re: is vitamin C out?
In humans regular vitamin C can help to boost the immune system (this is why it is often taken at the first sign of a cold, etc. because the virus often lasts a shorter time and is less severe). Again, not sure how well this transfers to cats, but as long as it is not harmful to the cat, I would say why not try it- it may help! Dosage would certainly be a concern as I'm certain it is different among cats and humans. Vitamin C can cause GI distress at high doses, so this is another reason I would make sure the dose is correct. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think there has always been a debate about this. Cats apparently, unlike humans, make vitamin c themselves, so many vets say it is totally unnecessary to supplement and just asking for GI problems. Others say it helps. I have no idea, myself. I have given it when it has been included in other formulas, but don't right now because of Lucy's IBD and Patches recently had a bout with soft stool as well (not from vitamin c, but don't want to bring it on either). Michelle In a message dated 5/8/2006 10:58:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I don't thing megaC 'cures' or reverses felv. Just my opinion. My homeopathic vet put my positive on a 'regular' dose of vitamin c along with lots of other vitamins and things and my regular vet said 'it couldn't hurt' so I used it. That was years ago though. I believe vitamin c is in most 'cat vitamins' so it must have some value for them as for humans.. I don't think it's any kind of cure though. t Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Bailey has gone home
In humans at least, fatty foods exacerabate pancreatitis but to my knowledge do not cause it. Pancreatitis can be caused by steroids (so the Prednisone may have contributed to the development and decreasing the dose was probably helpful). Pancreatitis may also be associated with biliary tract disease which could have gone undiagnosed. Elevated serum amylase and lipase on blood work are indicative of pancreatitis. All this is based on my knowledge of humans, but I'm guessing most of it is transferable- maybe someone else with more knowledge of feline disease would know...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Belinda, I think that fatty foods cause pancreatitis (when it is caused by foods at all, which is not always the case), not raw foods. Raw meat diets tend to be rather low in fat, actually, depending on what you are feeding. I do not think that is what did it if it was pancreatitis. Michelle In a message dated 5/8/2006 8:45:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: really wonder now if raw caused this pancreas problem to come on. He was eating raw for about 6 months before all this came about, though he loved it and gained weight and looked very healthy while eating raw, it may well have started all these problems, my other cats did not eat it as well as he did, they all stuck with the dry food I had to leave out for my 2 stubborn guys. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Re: new diagnosis (sub-q links)
Thanks for the helpful websites. I am actually a nurse, so could probably get the supplies needed from work and this makes me more comfortable even considering doing the procedure, but our four-legged friends are very different than humans! So I appreciate seeing how easy (if Allie would stay still!) it is do for a cat. I will have to talk to my vet about doing it at home if Allie needs fluids again (the vet seems very willing to work with me an let me do things which is a big help- Allie hates going to the vet and being admitted to the hospital!)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sub-Q fluids. That's the user friendly terminology for subcutaneousfluids. They use a big needle attached to an IV type bag, they just give the fluidunder the skin rather than in a vein. You can use either lactated ringers solution,or saline solution, personally, I would go with saline, as it's got less in it, andis less apt to cause any reactions.http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/clientED/cat_fluids.asp (here's a webpage that shows theprocedure, the third method is the one I have always seen used, and the most commonin the USA)http://www.felinecrf.com/managh.htm (here's a DYI instructions from the chronic renalfailure website, for learning how to do it yourself at home)http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_giving_set.htm (more home sub-q fliudtechniques with pictures) Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Can we please add this poor baby to the CLS?
You and me both! How disgusting...my god that poor baby! I would like to find those people and personally kick their ass! Sorry all but this happens to be one of my buttons to push in cases like this. I see it a lot east of the mountains here. Cats/kittens are dime a dozen and people will let wildlife go after them if it's too much trouble to take to the pound or rescue I have lit a few candles for this baby :( In a message dated 5/8/2006 10:04:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This makes me want to physically PUKE my guts up! SO pointless, so horrible, and SO irresponsible! I hope the shelter at least HUMANELY euthanizes! It could be a GAS chamber. You would think the "owners" could have at LEAST put out the extra $ to have her HUMANELY killed, but NO she has to SUFFER, with mutilated feet, in total blindness and disorientation, in a SHELTER, with all the barking dogs and the horrible atmosphere! I wish, I pray, someday, that I can KILL the people who do things like this, with my own hands, slowly! I will PAY for the euthanasia myself if ANYONE on the list is in MN and can go get her first thing tomorrow! Sorry so off topic, but this is just TOO infuriating and heart-breaking! When when when will the torture end? How many have to die this way? CROSSPOSTING! DO NOT HIT REPLY! Contact email below: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Hello, I have been contacted about a kitten in MN that needs a home. Sheis a 10 month old DSH. Her heart stopped during a declaw surgery. She isnow blind and has short term memory loss. Her family dropped her off ata kill shelter. If you can help please contact Shana[EMAIL PROTECTED]Thanks! Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us/ http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: Bailey has gone home
Belinda, I am so, so sorry that you have lost Bailey. I know that nothing I can say will ease your pain, but please know that you and that sweet boy are in my prayers.Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bailey left us at 6:20 this evening. He took a bad turn for the worse late last night and when I took him in this morning for his surgery it was evident he wasn't in good enough shape. We gave him fluids for a couple hours because he was dehydrated, his blood pressure was 60 and his temperature went from 103 yesterday to 98 today, his blood work was normal except his platelet count was low so he wasn't clotting and suregery was out of the question unless we could get his platelet count up. After two hours of fluids and a blood transfusion his platelets came up but his temperature was now 94, 96 puts kitties at risk for heart failure and she couldn't even get a blood pressure.My vet said we have 3 options, we could continue the fluids and support and see if things changed and if they did he could have the surgery tomorrow.Go ahead with the surgery and get in and out as quickly as possible or she could euthanise him.I asked her what she honestly thought of his condition, she said she though he was leaving on his own, I agreed. We talked, I asked her what to expect if he was going to die and she told me what the likely scenarios would be, she gave me a syringe of pain meds incase it got really bad for him, it would basically knock him out so he wouldn't suffer and pass on his own, she had a dinner engagement but told me to call if she was needed. I had told Bailey it was his decision to stay or go, and told him to do what was best for him. I brought him home on the fluids to keep supporting him and if he did turn for the better we would consider the surgery later. His breathing got worse just taking him to the car so I knew in my heart we didn't have long.We had about an hour, he was home with us and we were with him when he left. He is whole now and FeLV free for the first time. We were so lucky to have him for 11 years, his birthday was Monday. I will miss his bouncy, happy personality. He was so special and I learned so much thanks to him. He was our only positive and the one that was responsible for my learning everything I have about FeLV+, he has helped me save many positives and for that I thank him. I miss my little Baidely boys so much already ... take care all. Give your special guys and extra special hug for Bailey.-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Belinda
Thank you Joan. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: is vitamin C out?
I don't agree with your vet. Even though I do not personally use vitamin C with my kitties, I have read a lot of good information on it's use. Also, I don't think it can hurt. Dosage information would be important to know to make sure it's given correctly, but I know in humans you cannot over-dose on it because it's a water soluble vitamin. Not sure about in kitties. :) Wendy --- Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The last time I went by my vet's to pick up Ember's > interferon, I > dropped off some info I printed from Dr. Belfield's > site regarding > Mega C and FeLV. As you all know, Dr. Belfield says > that he has > reversed a number of FeLV cases using his own > vitamin C mixture, Mega C. > > Today, my mom took her kitten, Callie, in for > booster shots. The vet > mentioned to my mom that he would not condone the > use of vitamin C, > saying that he had tried it in the office for > various things and not > found any success with it. This is the same vet who > put Ember on > interferon as soon as she tested positive. He also > referred us to a > homeopathic vet, and is looking into getting feline > interferon for > us. In other words, he's not the standard PTS vet, > or the "just take > care of her and bring her back in six months" vet. > He is willing to > try things, to be proactive and to recommend the > homeopathic vet for > treatments outside of his experience. > > This leads me to wonder why, if Mega C works fairly > well, it hasn't > caught on in the treatment of FeLV? Despite a lack > of scientific > study, it would seem that a number of anecdotal > successes would lead > to vitamin C or Mega C being the de facto standard > for treating and > possibly curing an FeLV+ cat. Your thoughts? > > Lance > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: is vitamin C out?
PS. I personally have not noticed any difference using interferon, so I guess every cat is different, what works for one, may not necessarily work for all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: is vitamin C out?
I've also spoken with a women who had 10 positives and in a 2 year period using the Mega C they are all now negative and have been for some time, so it is not only Dr Belfield that claims this. To me it is worth it to try it and I will continue to give it to my non negatives as an immune booster. In the past even on this list I have heard a couple people claim to have used it on their positive and have their cat test negative when later tested (using IFA test), I guess we'll never know if the cat fought the virus off itself or if the Mega C helped, but I don't see any ingredient in the mixture that would cause harm so why not try it? This is many years ago though and these people are no longer on the list. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Demetri
I just wanted to thank you all for youe prayers for my sweet Demetri,he is back at the sanctuary and looking as handsome as can be.I worry about him because he has both felv and fiv.He has a way of pulling at my heart strings :) Thank you all!!! Sherry Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Belinda
Title: Message I am so, so sorry about Bailey. Tears are streaming down my face, I feel that after all these years, I have lost one of my own. 11 years is a long time, both of you were indeed lucky. Please accept my sympathies. Joan
Re: fw from Robert Macdowell (herbalist)
Since I'm new to this list, I may be jumping in to something that's already been discussed, but I like World's Best Cat Litter. It's made from corn, I think. No pine, no clay, and no perfumes. It does a good job on the odor, too. (Of course, I do scoop every day so it doesn't get to be too much.) ~Ashleigh[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:really??? I never heard that. They still sell the pine litter and I use it for Quincy. Where did you hear that? I know that cedar is toxic to small animals that use it for bedding... Michelle In a message dated 5/7/2006 10:23:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought pine resin was toxic to cats, that's why there's the big whoop-te-do over the pine based litters these days... Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase
