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Re: Inky update - Belinda

2006-08-31 Thread Kerry Roach

Hi Belinda, I don't have Inky's last blood work papers here, but I am going to get them tomorrow..I can give you the initial tests results done on Aug. 18. I am only going to list the ones that are not in the normal range.. ALB +4.5 (2.2-4.4 G/DL) AMY +2650 (330-1100 U/L) BUN +79 (10-30 MG/DL) PHOS +9.3 (3.4-8.5 MG/DL) CRE +2.9 (.3-2.1 MG/DL) HCT 36.3 ( which is way in the middle so no signs of anemia) I was really pleased with that one.. I do remember when they re-checked his blood before I brought him home, they were around the normal range..except the amylase..AMY it was worse actually over 3000. I will post those tomorrow or as soon as I get them, but I am sure the BUN was under 30 and the creatine was around 2.3. I don't remember what the phos was at that time..I guess we will re-do blood work in a month or so,
too.. He hates sub-q fluids, I have to take him as I can't do it by myself at home. He won't let me and really gets stressed out about it..I know I am going to have to find a way to do it here..It does stress him some to take him, too, but I think it is because the fluids always go down his leg and he just can't get around too good for awhile..They talked about putting in a port so it would be easier to do at home...have you had any dealings with one of those?? I still don't think his problem is all related to his kidneys..I really believe he was having pancreatitis attack..The vomiting has stopped and he has a normal stool now. She did say he had liver failure, too, but I know the bilirubin is suppose to be elevated or not normal if that is going on and his was in the middle range of normal..I had a renal kitty in the past and I know no matter how much IV fluids we gave him the BUN and CRE never came down like this or as rapid.. Anyway,
I guess we will stay on the K/D diet and as much raw food as I can get him to eat..He really likes chicken broth so I give him all he wants..I know for several days, he didn't even drink water just the broth, but lots of it. I did sneak some water in it at times, too..He has so many issues going on, it is hard to deal with..His thyroid test was normal this time, too..so 1/4 tapazole is working for him..I just hate that he is on so much pred right now...10mg daily, but I am going to cut it back to 7.5 then guess we will work our way down if we can..Please let me know what you think.. Thanks for the info, Kerry, Bandy and Inky

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Re: OT: Need feedback please

I agree with Wendy. I think the second paragraph is very harsh. I don't think it's so much the content or even the specifics that make it harsh, I think it's more the approach...and the graphicness. Your approach almost makes it sound like they are wanting something like that to happen to the cat and like they should know better, I guess. Personally, I had no idea until I got this email from you...so I know there are lots of us who don't know about these things! So you need to include the information, just maybe in a different way.I took a stab at rewriting from a slightly less harsh approach. Feel free to use or edit this to your liking...or to throw it out. But at least it should give you an idea for ways you might be able to share the same information without turning people off. Good luck!!Here's the paragraph (for some reason it's not pasting quite right
into my browser. Hope it looks right for you - I'm getting a really long line of text rather than a paragraph. But all the info is there):Unfortunately, there are many people in the world who would take advantage of a free pet and use it for all kinds of unthinkable things. Believe it or not, there are actually people who use cats to train dogs to fight (encouraging the dog to aggressively mame and kill the cat), or to feed their snakes. There are actually sick, demented people who look for free animals to torture and beat until they finally get bored and kill them. Additionally, there are bunchers who sell free or cheap pets for anywhere from $30 to $100 to labs who will experiment on them and then kill them. I know you dont want any of these things to happen to Tiger, and that is why we require a minimum fee rather than allowing people to give away their pets. Marissawendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you should leave out the second paragraph. It's VERY harsh and will turn people off. Or at leasttone it down a lot.:)Wendy--- Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi All, Every once in a while I get people who post to the Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP and put free for the fee, it clearly say's at the TOP of the page this is not allowed, so I send them a drafted letter which I'm
copying below with the reply I got from the person I sent it to. Please tell me if my letter is rude because that obviously isn't my intention and I don't want to scare anyone away BUT I do want them to realize how dangerous it is to post a pet for FREE. My letter follow below:Hi Kathy, Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no "Free To Good Home" ads allowed, none is the same as FREE. This is very dangerous for the cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there. I don't think you want Tiger to end up being ripped to shreds by a Pit Bull in training to fight, or to spend his last few minutes on earth petrified while a snake squeezes the life out of him and devours him. Or maybe a sick, demented person who scours
ads daily looking for an animal to torture and beat until they tire of them and finally put them out of their misery by killing them. Then there's the buncher who looks for free or cheap pets to take to labs where they are experimented on and then killed when they have served their purpose, these bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs. Giving an animal away FREE is very dangerous for that animal and I personally would rather euthanise a pet than take a chance that they could end up in some horrible situation like those I described. I get emails every single day about some poor pet that has endured horrible things until they finally died or were killed. I have even been
told by some of my rescues how a whole family will come to look at an adoptee making them appear quite normal, only to find out later the pet was tortured again and again until it finally died or was killed. Please, please be very, very careful who you hand Tiger over to, he is depending on you to make sure he is safe when he goes to his new home!! Thank you. I'm not saying this to be mean, believe me I know these kinds of things happen a hundred times a day to innocent animals. I've changed your ad to negotiable. Please read these links for more info about how dangerous this is for the cat: http://www.theanimalspirit.com/adopt.html http://www.petrescue.com/library/free-pet.htm
http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html I belong to a group of people who are all owned by FeLV+/FIV, most if not all have other cats who are negative. Some let their cats mix some don't, it's a personal preference thing. I personally had 6 cats, my Bailey was my FeLV positive, he was + at 5 months of age. I just lost him last month to anemia at 11 years of age, he wasn't sick for all of those years. I just lost him in May after a 5 month illness to what turned out to be cancer. He lived, ate, slept, played with, groomed and on occasion had spats with all his vaccinated, negative housemates

Re: To Karen and Angel

Hi Karen. I'm so sorry you lost your baby so quickly! And what a cutie she was! I know she was young, but I'm glad that in her all-too-short life, she was able to know such tremendous love and care as you were able to give her. Know that you did everything you could and that she felt your love. You are in my prayers.Peace,  MJwendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Karen,I am so sorry to hear that Angel has passed on. Ican't believe it was so sudden. Just three days sinceyou noticed her hip. I am sorry I did not get toencourage you earlier; I just read your posts today. And I feel badly I did not get to pray for littleAngel; she sounded like such a sweetie. You were SOgood to her, and she will always be with you. Youwill carry her in
 your heart. I get emotionalthinking about what it feels like to lose a belovedfurbaby. Take care of yourself over the next fewweeks Karen while you grieve for Angel, and allowyourself to grieve. So many of us don't. If you needanything, or just to vent, we are here.Wendy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
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Re: OT: Need feedback please

2006-08-31 Thread Kat

Belinda,

I think the re-wording Marissa suggested is good - with only a minor
adjustment.  I would add if they haven't already died during the
experimentation. to make it read...

Unfortunately, there are many people in the world who would take advantage
of a free pet and use it for all kinds of unthinkable things.  Believe it
or not, there are actually people who use cats to train dogs to fight
(encouraging the dog to aggressively mame and kill the cat), or to feed
their snakes.  There are actually sick, demented people who look for free
animals to torture and beat until they finally get bored and kill them.
Additionally, there are bunchers who sell free or cheap pets for anywhere
from $30 to $100 to labs who will experiment on them and then kill them
if they haven't already died during the experimentation.
I know you dont want any of these things to happen to Tiger, and that is
why we require a minimum fee rather than allowing people to give away
their pets.

What do you think??

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Re: OT: Need feedback please

I like that...it gives it a little more punch! Thanks Kat! :)MKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Belinda,I think the re-wording Marissa suggested is good - with only a minoradjustment. I would add "if they haven't already died during theexperimentation." to make it read...Unfortunately, there are many people in the world who would take advantageof a free pet and use it for all kinds of unthinkable things. Believe itor not, there are actually people who use cats to train dogs to fight(encouraging the dog to aggressively mame and kill the cat), or to feedtheir snakes. There are actually sick, demented people who look for freeanimals to torture and beat until they finally get bored and kill them.Additionally, there are bunchers who sell free or
 cheap pets for anywherefrom $30 to $100 to labs who will experiment on them and then kill themif they haven't already died during the experimentation.I know you dont want any of these things to happen to Tiger, and that iswhy we require a minimum fee rather than allowing people to give awaytheir pets.What do you think??Kat (Mew Jersey) 
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Re: Inky update - Kerry LONG





 Hi Kerry,
 I think high phosphorous can make them feel nauseated so that may
be why his appetite goes off, has the vet suggested phos binders? Part
of one of the list messages below:

Powdered Alum. Hydroxide Gel now for over 3
years and have not had any problems. It is a finely ground powder that
mixes easily into canned food, and can be placed in a baggie w/dry
overnight then fed in the morning . it binds with the phosphorus in
the food in the gut and is then excreted through the stool.

It really helps bring it down and helps them get their appetite back.
His creat isn't too bad and the subqs at home should help keep that in
check. His BUN is high but IV fluids should help bring that down.
Fred is just the opposite, his creat is at 4.2 and 4 weeks ago it was
at 2.6, so it got a lot worse, I'm hoping the subqs get it down some.
His BUN was never too bad, it started at 46, went to 48, then back to
44, but he isn't concentrating his urine very good at all and that's
NOT good.

I talked with my vet about a Gif tube or an Endo-Sof
Subcutaneous Catheter Set both used for giving subqs at
home, I think they are similar but I need to talk with her some more
because as I understood it the one she was talking about you still use
needles but the people on the CRF list say you don't, but they are
talking about the gif tube so there may be a difference.

The way my vet explained it to me is, they have to sedate the cat and
cut a small 5ml hole in the back area right below the neck. The
catheter gets inserted and stiched in place down the back, I think the
catheter is about 6 or 7 inches long and has small holes all the way
down. At the end sticking out of the back is a port similar to the
green ports on an Subq bag used to give additional things while subqing
(vitamin B for example). The pictures I've seen of both doesn't look
like what she described so I may be getting it wrong. The main concern
is keeping it sterile and that it doesn't get plugged up. Sometimes
the cats body sees it as a foreign invader and the immune system will
form a membrane around it plugging the holes. This can be fixed
without and surgery there is a manual on the CRF site that explains how
to do it and I guess the girl who wrote it has even talked vets who
have never done it through it.

My vet has personally only inserted 1 of these and the kitty had no
problems for the 4 months it was in, the cat died from unrelated
problems after 4 months. She has worked with another cat that had one
(she didn't insert it) and that cat had it for a year before it had to
be replaced and didn't have any problems for that year or since to my
knowledge. That is the extent of her knowledge and experience with
them. When Fred was being a real poop, I was seriously considering it
and researched it, I'll put some links at the bottom of the page about
it. He's been pretty good lately, although the last two days he hasn't
been as good, but good enough that it isn't necassary yet, but I will
do it if it becomes necessary and he knows it. The fluids are very
important and he will get them one way or another!!

ENDO-SOF SUBCUTANEOUS
CATHETER SET
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_subcutaneous_fluids.html
a picture is at the bottom of the page, this is not what I understood
it to be like, because you don't use needles with this, I may have
misunderstood though.

Another site with info on this:

ENDO-SOF SUBCUTANEOUS
CATHETER SET
http://www.arnolds.co.uk/endosofsubcutaneouscatheterset.asp

Gif
Tube
http://www.hoochcrf.com/What%20is%20it.htm

Gif Tube another
site with info:
http://www.practivet.com/gif-tube.htm
picture of cat getting tube insert, not too graphic.

From what I understand the gif is made of human grade silicone the
other is a new patented material, Endo-Sof, which is designed to be
compatible with body tissue for up to one year. Lots to learn and my
vet is out until tomorrow so I won't be able to talk to her before then.

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Re: Inky update - Belinda

PS.  I forgot to say, high AMY and glucose can be indicator of pancreas 
problems.


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Re: OT: Need feedback please

Hey Belinda,

I should have taken a little more time yesterday,
other than saying to take the second paragraph out, to
tell you that the rest of your letter was really good.
 I think the way that it jumps right into the worst
case situations, and then describes them in detail
really put me off.  I even read it to my husband to
make sure I wasn't being too squeamish and he looked
at me like I was crazy, so I know I am not too off in
my thoughts.  He's pretty logical and even-minded.  

If you are entertaining the thought of changing the
letter some to make it less harsh, you could be more
general.  Example:  Instead of saying I don't think
you want Tiger to end up being ripped to shreds by a
Pit Bull in training to fight, you could just say
that some people obtain free cats to train pit bulls
to fight, and they are killed in a very violent and
gruesome manner by these vicious animals.  Or instead
of saying spend his last few minutes on earth
petrified while a snake squeezes the life out of him
and devours him, you could just say that some people
feed them to snakes as meals.  You could say that some
crazy people obtain them solely to abuse them, and
others, referred to as bunchers, buy them to make
money by selling them to labs, where they are
ultimately destroyed.  Those descriptions are enough
for me without getting so graphic.  I think maybe the
specific and graphic description of what happens to
these cats is what turned me off right from the start.

If you don't want to take out the gory details, at
least switch the second and third paragraphs, so that
people have some sort of warning of what they are
about to read.  Also, you could warn them that the
next paragraph is graphic, and they can skip to the
next if they don't need the details.  I am one of
those people who likes to have a choice what harsh
mental pictures, or otherwise, enter my mind.  It's
the same for me with those people who hold up
signs of aborted babies while I am driving by.  I get
really angry with them.  I like to have the choice and
I know others do too.  

If you decide you want to leave the letter the way it
is, of course that is your decision.  I am certainly
not going to fault you either way.  I was just giving
my honest feedback to try to help you accomplish what
it is you are trying to do.  BTW, you are great at
description; you should consider writing too!

Have a great day!
:)
Wendy

P.S.  That guy David was a jerk.  Can you remove
postings that are not correct yourself?  Would it be
less stressful for you to do that, and just not worry
about contacting them?  Really though, people do need
to know what goes on out there.  Bad things do happen
to animals.  When I was coaching, we went out on the
track one morning and the girls found a dead cat.  I
felt so bad for that cat, and the girls for having to
see it.  There really are some SICK people out there!

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Re: To Tonya Re: Popeye has gone to the bridge

Wow!  I am surprised you don't have any unions!  I
went on the AFT website, and sure enough, Georgia does
not have an affiliation.  43 states do however. 
Sounds like you guys need a bit of a change in
Georgia!!!  We have several different ones here in
Texas, and we are almost as far south as you can get! 
Is this something legislated in Georgia?  I hope your
year goes smoothly.  Here's to teacher happy hour when
you really need it.  LOLOLOL.

:)
Wendy

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 Thanks Wendy.  We're very slowly getting used to
 Popeye not being around.  He was always underfoot. 
 Yes, it's true about the politics.  And I teach in
 Georgia where there are NO teacher unions.  That's
 why we can be treated however the principal wants to
 treat us.  She is new, and I hope there won't be any
 more incidents ughhh.

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Re: OT: Need feedback please

Belinda, I went back and readyour original message and I dothinkwhatMarissa and Katsaid makes sense. The re-wording gets the information across in a less graphic way, but is still effective. Sometimes reallyintense information is too much for people to handle all at once and they shut down to the message. They might feel scared, guilty and/or helpless overcondemning theircats to this fate, and react out of that by blocking the very information you want them to hear. This is my own personal experience anyway. And, getting the message across is critical. I didn't realizewhat was happening to cats either until I went to your site Belinda. I am so thankful for the information you provide.Gina in Placerville Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Belinda,I think the re-wording Marissa suggested is good - with only a minoradjustment. I would add "if they haven't already died during theexperimentation." to make it read...Unfortunately, there are many people in the world who would take advantageof a free pet and use it for all kinds of unthinkable things. Believe itor not, there are actually people who use cats to train dogs to fight(encouraging the dog to aggressively mame and kill the cat), or to feedtheir snakes. There are actually sick, demented people who look for freeanimals to torture and beat until they finally get bored and kill them.Additionally, there are bunchers who sell free or cheap pets for anywherefrom $30 to $100 to labs who will experiment on them and then kill themif they haven't already died during the experimentation.I know
you dont want any of these things to happen to Tiger, and that iswhy we require a minimum fee rather than allowing people to give awaytheir pets.What do you think??Kat (Mew Jersey)Please visitmy Tigger Tales site! At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance!
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Re: OT: Need feedback please - Wendy


 Here is the revised version, thank you for your help!!

 Belinda here, I admin the ads, and there are no Free To Good Home 
ads allowed, none is the same as FREE.  This is very dangerous for the 
cat, there are all kinds of lunatics out there.


Some people obtain free cats to train pit bulls to fight, and they are 
killed in a very violent and gruesome manner by these vicious animals.  
Then there are people who feed them to snakes as meals (some large 
exotic snakes require live food).  There are crazy people who obtain 
free animals solely to abuse them.  Others, referred to as bunchers, 
buy them to make money by selling them to labs, where they are 
ultimately destroyed after enduring some horrific treatment.  These 
bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs.


Giving an animal away FREE is very dangerous for that animal and I 
personally would rather euthanise a pet than take a chance that they 
could end up in one of the horrible situations like those I described.


I get emails every single day about some poor pet that has endured 
horrible things until they finally died or were killed.  I have even 
been told by some of my rescues how a whole family will come to look at 
an adoptee making them appear quite normal, only to find out later the 
pet was tortured again and again until it finally died or was killed.  
Please, please be very, very careful who you hand this cat over to, he 
is depending on you to make sure he is safe when he goes to his new 
home!!  Thank you.


I'm not saying this to be mean, believe me I know these kinds of things 
happen a hundred times a day to innocent animals.  I've changed your ad 
to read negotiable.


Please read these links for more info about how dangerous this is for 
the cat:


http://www.theanimalspirit.com/adopt.html

http://www.petrescue.com/library/free-pet.htm

http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html

I belong to a group of people who are all owned by FeLV+, most if not 
all have other cats who are negative.  Some let their cats mix some 
don't, it's a personal preference thing.


I personally had 6 cats, my Bailey was my positive, he was + at 5 months 
of age.  I just lost him last month to anemia at 11 years of age, he 
wasn't sick for all of those years.  I just lost him in May after a 5 
month illness to what turned out to be cancer.  He lived, ate, slept, 
played with, groomed and on occasion had spats with all his vaccinated, 
negative housemates for all those years and nobody ever got it from 
him.  It is almost impossible for a healthy, adult cat to get it from a 
positive and if they ever did the healthy adult cats immune system would 
fight it off.


The bottom line is it isn't as contagious as most vets would have you 
believe.  If your interested in checking the group out you can do that 
here:


http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

Please feel free to contact me anytime.

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Re: OT: Need feedback please





 Hi MC,
 I think the one your talking about is the one Jim's friend Michelle
Crean wrote, it is this one:

http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html

I have a link to it on the page itself, the problem is those people
don't bother to go to it or the instructions, or they read the
instructions and do what they please anyway. Just an FYI, the ONLY
people that get that letter are those that in spite of the rules on the
page post a free ad anyway.

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Re: OT: Need feedback please

2006-08-31 Thread TenHouseCats

this is the one i was actually thinking of: http://cats.about.com/cs/kittencare/a/freekittuns.htm

On 8/31/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi MC, I think the one your talking about is the one Jim's friend Michelle Crean wrote, it is this one:

http://www.parrett.net/animalaid/free.html
I have a link to it on the page itself, the problem is those people don't bother to go to it or the instructions, or they read the instructions and do what they please anyway. Just an FYI, the ONLY people that get that letter are those that in spite of the rules on the page post a free ad anyway.

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Question about different FeLV tests

It's getting closer to the time for Pippin to have her second FeLV test. I want to make sure I understand which test to ask for. Is the IFA test the same as the Western Blot?If not, which test should I ask for? Secondly, is there a specific lab that I should ask for the test to be sent to in California? I recall reading something on this list about a certain lab that was not reliable--is that correct?Thanks!  GinaPlease visitmy Tigger Tales site!  At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to
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Re: OT: Need feedback please

Hey Belinda,

Your revised letter sounds good.  I think you are
fantastic doing all that you do to help these animals.

:)
Wendy

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Re: OT: Need feedback please


Changed this paragraph a bit:

Some people obtain free cats to train pit bulls to fight, and they are 
killed in a very violent and gruesome manner by these vicious animals.  
Then there are people who feed them to snakes as meals (some large 
exotic snakes require live food).  There are crazy people who obtain 
free animals solely to abuse them.  Others, referred to as bunchers, 
buy them to make money by selling them to labs, where they are 
ultimately destroyed after most likely enduring many horrific 
experiments.  These bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet 
from these labs.


I think I'm happy with that, it gets the point across but isn't too 
graphic, my priority isn't being politically correct but hopefully 
keeping the cats posted as safe as possible.


Many people just have no idea how horrible some humans can be, I was a 
uninformed one myself not too many years ago.  I never would of though 
anyone could do something so awful to any living creature but the 
internet has quickly made me aware of many horrible things.


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Re: OT: Need feedback please

I couldn't agree more! I love the new paragraph...I think it conveys what you want to without being quite so harsh. We're all lucky to have you advocating for our animals!!Mwendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hey Belinda,Your revised letter sounds good. I think you arefantastic doing all that you do to help these animals.:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
	
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Re: How did Slinky do?

Awesome!!!  Makes coming home all the more sweet!  I'm
so happy for both of you!

:)
Wendy

--- Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Thanks, Wendy!  I got home last night, and he did in
 fact do fantastic!!

   He ate just fine, he played with my coworker a
 lot, and he didn't get sick or anything.

   When I first walked in the door, I told him I was
 home and then i heard this big clunk.,  He had
 knocked a picture frame off the ledge down onto
 the staircase...right in front of me!!  I thought
 maybe he was mad!!  :(

   But when I got upstairs, after a minute he let me
 pick himi up and he was VERY cuddly and purring like
 mad!  We played for a bit...and I gave him one of
 the new toys I brought him (one of those plastic
 mesh balls with a bell in it)...and he loved it!

   Then during the night, he kept coming up to
 cuddle.  He did start playing in the middle of the
 night and I had to lock him out of the bedroom so I
 could sleep...and he cried!  But this morning when I
 let him back in, he came up and kept nuzzling my
 face and wanting kisses.  

   So...all in all everything went really well and he
 still loves me!  Thanks for all your support and
 positive thoughts and prayers!!  I know it helped! 
 The conference I was at also went INCREDIBLY well. 
 So it was a great weekend!

   I hope you're all doing well.  I have quite a bit
 of catching up to do with your messages, but...my
 prayers and love are with you!  Take care everyone!

   MJ (and Slinky!)
 
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   Hi Marissa,
 
 I was wondering how Slinky did while you were gone?
 I
 just read your post, so it's a little late for
 prayer,
 but I am hoping he did fantastic! 
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
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Belinda,I hope you did not think I was trying to ask you to be politically correct. I wasn't. My main focus was from a psychological viewpoint of how messages are perceived by people. I so appreciate what you are doing to get the message out there. I heard you loud and clear reading the information on your website and it gave me a wake up call. I'm not easily upset by graphic details like that. I want to know the facts. Some people will fall through the cracks and I would like to see those people get on board too. I guess we can't reach everyone.Sincerely, GinaBelinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changed this paragraph a bit:Some people obtain free cats to train pit bulls to fight, and they are
killed in a very violent and gruesome manner by these vicious animals. Then there are people who feed them to snakes as meals (some large exotic snakes require live food). There are crazy people who obtain free animals solely to abuse them. Others, referred to as "bunchers", buy them to make money by selling them to labs, where they are ultimately destroyed after most likely enduring many horrific experiments. These bunchers get anywhere from $30 to $100 dollars a pet from these labs.I think I'm happy with that, it gets the point across but isn't too graphic, my priority isn't being politically correct but hopefully keeping the cats posted as safe as possible.Many people just have no idea how horrible some humans can be, I was a uninformed one myself not too many years ago. I never would of though anyone could do something so awful to any living creature but the internet has quickly made me aware of many
horrible things.-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.comPlease visitmy Tigger Tales site! At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to
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Re: OT: Need feedback please


  OK, MC have added it to the page itself:

http://adopt.bemikitties.com

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To Marissa Re: Question #9: Flea Treatments

Marissa,

Does Slinky kitty go outside at all?  If not, he might
not need flea treatments once he's flea free.  

:)
Wendy

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 topspot. The Frontline SPRAY is much better, IMO
 (though if they groom themselves, they foam at the
 mouth something terrible for the first few days
 after applying it!). Advantage works well too, I
 think, I've had better success with it than with the
 Frontline topspots. I prefer flea baths over harsh
 chemical sprays, personally. Zodiac makes a really
 effective flea shampoo, if you follow the directions
 carefully, it has to soak on the cat for 5 minutes,
 and you should go as high up on the head as
 possible, and between every toe.
 
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2006-08-31 Thread kandbz_ mom

I just wanted to let all of you know how much I greatly appreciate all your messages of support for Angel and I. I'm having a better day today, but not much. I am so glad I decided early on to let her have the run of the house instead of being isolated to a room. Usually, when I would be at my computer typing, she would be sitting right beside me. So, it is hard. Take care,Karen 
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RE: Question about different FeLV tests

2006-08-31 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Western Blot is for FIV, and you want to
use IFA test for Felk to determine whether the virus is present at bone marrow
level.

I mentioned that I did not like antech as
their lab results have not been reliable more than a few times. And I prefer
IDEXX personally.. but they may send out to another lab for IFA test as not all
the lab run IFA test.. lab at Cornell is very very througough, but I think they
also send out IFA to someone elsecall Margie at 1-607-253-3900 at Cornell
to get a form if you want your vet to send a sample there to find out if they
run IFA test there I highly recommend











From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gina WN
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006
10:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about different
FeLV tests







It's getting closer to the time for Pippin to have her second FeLV
test. I want to make sure I understand which test to ask for. Is
the IFA test the same as the Western Blot?If not, which test should
I ask for? Secondly, is there a specific lab that I should ask for the
test to be sent to in California?
I recall reading something on this list about a certain lab that was not reliable--is
that correct?











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RE: Angel

2006-08-31 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message




Please 
know you're in my thoughts, Karen. Even though we didn't know Angel physically, 
I know we all mourn her loss with you.
That's 
one of the comforting things about this wonderful group. We all share each 
other's sorrow when we lose a beloved kitty. Know we're always here for you. I'm 
glad you're able to draw some measure of comfort from the decision you made to 
let her run loose. Hang on to it.
hugs, 
Kerry

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On Behalf Of kandbz_ momSent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:17 
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Angel
I just wanted to let all of you know how much I greatly appreciate all your 
messages of support for Angel and I. I'm having a better day today, but 
not much. I am so glad I decided early on to let her have the run of the 
house instead of being isolated to a room. Usually, when I would be at my 
computer typing, she would be sitting right beside me. So, it is 
hard. 

Take care,

Karen


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Re: To Marissa Re: Question #9: Flea Treatments

Hi! Thanks. No, Slinky doesn't go outdoors (unless you count going out in the carrier to the car! lol). He's strictly indoors. I guess I just wondered because I've had to treat him twice - once with Revolution and once with Advantage. Didn't know if the fleas would just keep coming back or what. I haven't seen any fleas or flea dirt with the comb lately either (I think what I"m using is a flea comb), and he seems to be itching less. So hopefully that means it's been taken care of. I'd rather not treat him with any chemicals if I don't need to...but I also don't want him to keep getting fleas! I'm taking him to the vet this weekend (more vaccinations), so I'll double check then, but hopefully he's flea-free now.Thanks for the info!!!MGina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Wendy,That's what I'm thinking too. My cats are strictly indoors. Tigger, Taylor and Bob were flea-free until Pippin joined our household. I've got them on Advantage until I get the fleas under control, then I will take them off of it. Seems things are going in the right direction since I've not gotten any flea dirt or fleas off of them when I used the flea comb.Ginawendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marissa,Does Slinky kitty go outside at all? If not, he mightnot need flea treatments once he's flea free. :)Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really am disappointed with the frontline plus topspot. The Frontline
SPRAY is much better, IMO (though if they groom themselves, they foam at the mouth something terrible for the first few days after applying it!). Advantage works well too, I think, I've had better success with it than with the Frontline topspots. I prefer flea baths over harsh chemical sprays, personally. Zodiac makes a really effective flea shampoo, if you follow the directions carefully, it has to soak on the cat for 5 minutes, and you should go as high up on the head as possible, and between every toe. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem:
http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! Novirus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Please visitmy Tigger Tales
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Re: Angel

2006-08-31 Thread Marylyn




Ask her to visit you one night after you have gone 
to sleep. She will. Understand that the visit is real, not a 
dream, and enjoy it. You will find a very healthy, happy Angel who wants 
you to know she is safe and sound. 






 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:16 
  PM
  Subject: Angel
  
  I just wanted to let all of you know how much I greatly appreciate all 
  your messages of support for Angel and I. I'm having a better day today, 
  but not much. I am so glad I decided early on to let her have the run of 
  the house instead of being isolated to a room. Usually, when I would be at my 
  computer typing, she would be sitting right beside me. So, it is 
  hard. 
  
  Take care,
  
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RE: Question about different FeLV tests

Hideyo and All,I just called my vet and the receptionist did not know what an IFA test was.I also have to postpone Pippin's rabies vaccine until I get back from vacation in two weeks. I assured her that my cats all my cats are strictly indoor cats. Her response was, "Well there's always the chance that a bat could fly into the house."Should I be laughing or finding a new vet office?GinaHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Western Blot is for FIV, and you want to use IFA test for Felk to determine whether the virus is present at bone marrow level. I mentioned that I did not like antech as their lab results have not been reliable more than a few times. And I prefer IDEXX personally.. but they may send out to another lab for IFA test as not all the lab run IFA test.. lab at
Cornell is very very througough, but I think they also send out IFA to someone elsecall Margie at 1-607-253-3900 at Cornell to get a form if you want your vet to send a sample there to find out if they run IFA test there I highly recommendFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gina WNSent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:13 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Question about different FeLV tests It's getting closer to the time for Pippin to have her second FeLV test. I want to make sure I understand which test to ask for. Is the IFA test the same as the Western Blot?If not, which test should I ask for? Secondly, is there a specific lab that I should ask for the test to be
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Re: Angel

Yes, I understand. My girl Pippin sits by me as I sit at my computer. It makes me tear up to think how much you are missing her.Gina  kandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I just wanted to let all of you know how much I greatly appreciate all your messages of support for Angel and I. I'm having a better day today, but not much. I am so glad I decided early on to let her have the run of the house instead of being isolated to a room. Usually, when I would be at my computer typing, she would be sitting right beside me. So, it is hard. Take care,Karen  Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Please visitmy Tigger Tales site!  At the bottom of the home and links pages aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! 
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