Re: Spencer update
At least he is a lot more comfortable now. I think it was a good call to go. The good color in his gums sounds promising. I hope you're internist will be able to give you some real answers. I feel for you with that expense. Thank you for keeping us up to date - I was wondering. Prayers still going up for you both. elizabeth In a message dated 9/4/2006 10:10:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well we just got back from the vet. The first set of xrays showed fluid build up around his lungs and made it hard to see what was going on with his organs or if they could detect any masses. So they drained the fluid and did another set of xrays. They also gave him oxygen and subq fluids, (the subqs I could have done at home, but figured it would be better to not have to put him through any added stress after we did get home). He actually seems hydrated enough with good color to his gums, but we figured since he hasn't been eating it couldn't hurt. Bottom line is that we don't know much more than that he had fluid build up that was making it hard to breath, we don't know why and the xrays weren't definitive enough for the doctor on duty to be able to tell anything. (I got a lot of well, it could be, but maybe nots). At least he feels better as I'm writing this, he even ate a little bit for me when we got home. They wanted to keep him overnight, but I said no thank you. He's better off at home where he'll be more comfortable. So here I sit, a good deal poorer, with no answers that will help him. They wanted to send in the fluid to be analyzed, but the vet warned me that they might not be able to tell anything from it. Since that would have been an extra $200 bucks, I told them to hold on to it and let me talk to his regular Internist about it in the morning. We're over $1400 as it is and no closer to helping him get well then before we started. Extremely big sigh.Nina
Re: OT-Crosspost-TX FIV+ Kitties in Need of Homes
Thank you!! In a message dated 9/4/2006 10:32:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have crossposted these kitties to the Austin Siamese Rescue Yahoo Group. I can't take them, unfortunately, but maybe someone can.
Re: Ah s**t Tad - Leo
I'm very sorry about Leo, Tad. I would like to hear more about him when you feel up to it.Gina Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tad,Your heart barely has time to heal before you end up saying goodbye to yet another of your sweet babies. I don't remember hearing about Leo, could you tell us something more about him? You are such a blessings to your babies. Knowing of people like you and Marie, folks that understand these sweet angels, and give them the type of life they deserve, is an inspiration to us all. Little Leo enjoyed his life as much as he did because he had a human that cares enough to pay attention and communicate with his felines on their own terms. You're as close to cat in human form as they come and I'm sure your babies appreciate it. Bless it Tad, I'm so sorry. It helps just a little to know he enjoyed life as much as he could right up to the end. It never gets easier, no matter how many times we go through it.You are so generous to write to me about my troubles with Spencer while you're suffering with your own stress and grief. I'll ask my vet about the pill, I'm guessing it must be some sort of diuretic. Blessings to you and Marie. You guys go through so much, what would the kitties do without you? Thank you once again for all you do for so many.NinaTad Burnett wrote: I have had 2 FeLV+ cats that have had fluid on the lungs and that makes breathing very difficult for them... One xray can show the space around the lungs that indicates the fluid filling the cavity and making it hard to breath in... A pill to absorb that fluid does relieve the breathing in only a couple hours... The fluid is most likely there because of a cancer somewhere though and the pill won't fix that... But it can give a few weeks of quality life... I am having a hard time to write this because I just lost my Little Leo a couple hours ago but it did help him and although he has been getting weaker and weaker for a while he did seem to be able to enjoy the things and places that he liked right up to the end TadPlease visitmy Tigger Tales site! On the fundraising page aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Spencer update
I'm hoping that perhaps it is something treatable. I will keep you two in my prayers.Gina Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well we just got back from the vet. The first set of xrays showed fluid build up around his lungs and made it hard to see what was going on with his organs or if they could detect any masses. So they drained the fluid and did another set of xrays. They also gave him oxygen and subq fluids, (the subqs I could have done at home, but figured it would be better to not have to put him through any added stress after we did get home). He actually seems hydrated enough with good color to his gums, but we figured since he hasn't been eating it couldn't hurt. Bottom line is that we don't know much more than that he had fluid build up that was making it hard to breath, we don't know why and the xrays weren't definitive enough for the doctor on duty to be able to tell anything. (I got a lot of well, it could be, but maybe nots). At least he feels better as I'm writing this, he even ate a little bit for me when we got home. They wanted to keep him overnight, but I said no thank you. He's better off at home where he'll be more comfortable. So here I sit, a good deal poorer, with no answers that will help him. They wanted to send in the fluid to be analyzed, but the vet warned me that they might not be able to tell anything from it. Since that would have been an extra $200 bucks, I told them to hold on to it and let me talk to his regular Internist about it in the morning. We're over $1400 as it is and no closer to helping him get well then before we started. Extremely big sigh.NinaPlease visitmy Tigger Tales site! On the fundraising page aremy merchant affiliate banners. If anyone uses my links to make a purchase, I will receive a percentage of all final sales.I am going to donate100% ofthe proceeds to animal welfare organizations.This is a great way to shop your favorite online pet stores and give something to a worthy cause. Thank you in advance! Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Inky update - Belinda
I am really out of touch with things lately since Inky's been so sick. His last blood work was improved though...BUN 28 down from 79 and CRE 2.3 down from 2.9 which normal is 2.1 so that is much better...I have taken him for fluids 3 times and I am not doing it anymore...I know they need them, but he is so stressed out from it that we both can't handle it...It seems to me that his heart can't take it..He is out of it for nearly 12 hours after receiveing 100 to 150cc of fluids...He won't even get up to eat or drink..He will only go to the box..Have any of you ever had a kitty that got so out of it from fluids.. They usually make them feel better, but in Inky's case it just makes him worse...so I told his vet that I won't do it unless absolutely necessary and seems to me if he is eating good and drinking alot of water and broth without vomiting, that he should be ok...We have even put fluids evenly on both sides of him and it still makes him feel bad...I think I am just going to keep a good eye on him and make sure he eats and drinks his broth..I give him around 110cc 3 to 4 times a day and he drinks all of it..plus water..Any thoughts on this please let me know. Thanks for all your help, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
Re: Inky update - Kerry
Kerry, He needs to be on Lasix if the fluids are affecting his heart that badly, many CRF kitties are also heart problem kitties and many getting fluids are on lasix, your vet should know that. If not maybe you can have them recommend an internal specialist more versed in CRF problems. Cats that have both CRF and heart trouble need to be closely watched, it's balancing act, but honestly Kerry the fluids are very important to help keep the healthy part of the kidney healthy for as long as possible. And of course dehydration has it's own set of problems. Fred doesn't have any heart problems so he is OK with the fluids other than he just doesn't like getting them, but he has been exceptionally good for me. I've had to change my routine, he won't eat the treats anymore so I take him in the bathroom, pet him and explain it's time for the fluids and it will keep him feeling good for longer and keep his kidney's working longer, then I stick in the needle among a head turn and grouching. I hold him in my lap on the floor while he gets them and for now that is working. He is getting 100mls a day. He gets a little fidgety towards the end but I just tell him we're almost done and he patiently sits. Once he knows we're done though, he wants to get the needle out and go. I just set him on the floor holding him under his belly, turn the roller up to close off the fluids and let him walk off and the needle slips out (sometimes he's in a hurry and I don't quite get the fluids clamped off, oh well, a little waste is worth it if it keeps Fred happy). What does Inky not like, the stick or the fluids going in or both? I had a communicator talk with Fred and tell him the fluids are essential and he as been much better ever since, he said he knows it's something I need to do just doesn't get the need for it. I have told him it will keep him feeling good for a longer time. I have also had to start pepcid AC, he had been vomiting foam every few days, a sign of tummy acid and the pepcid AC is suppose to help, so far he has only had them 2 times, he is getting it every other day. CRF cats that won't eat good are probably having tummy acid problems even if they aren't throwing up so the pepcid AC really helps with that and helps them get their appetite back. It has to be pepcid AC, not pepcid complete, not sure why that's just what everyone says, it may be the calcium in the other, some CRF kitties have high calcium already, the pepcid AC doesn't have calcium in it. I also have been bringing food to Fred whenever I think about it because he will usually eat a few bites and I have been adding water to his food which seems to make it more appetizing to him. Each of these tricks works for a while and then I need to vary things. Right now he is tolerating his fluids pretty well but not eating as well so it is a roller coaster ride!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Inky update - Kerry
PS. Inky's blood work is looking good, thats about what Fred's was while we were waiting for the blood work to be redone for the hyper-t, I was really upset when his creatinine got so much worse in those 3 weeks. I wish now I had followed my instincts and started fluids then, it may have made a difference. His kidney's got that much more damaged and that damage can never be reversed as I understand it!! Part of what I don't understand is how it's possible to get the creatinine down from such a high number to a good number again but the damage is still there. If the creatinine is the number signifying the amount of damage the kidney's have suffered and the actual amount of kidney function left, how can the number get so much better without the actual damage reversing some?? Anyone got any ideas about this? Think I'll ask my vet about that one!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Spencer update
Oh boy, Nina. I feel your frustration re the lack of answers and the drain on your wallet. I'm glad at least Spencer got some relief; can you see it in his breathing? Very glad the little soul is still with you. (When I took Snoball in, and the X-rays showed massive (75%) fluid on lungs I left with an empty carrier. The vet told me it would simply build up again and he cd die a dreadful death while I wasn't there. I think--but can't recall 100%--that there was a tumor too.) I hope and pray that your own vet has more answers. I'm presuming you were given the X-rays to take with you; maybe your vet will be able to tell more? He's a hardy little soul. Still eating on his own, huh? That's great! I don't know if this helps ease the financial pain, but I know I was just grateful to have the credit cards when I went through similar stuff. I figured they'd get paid off eventually. I'd have felt truly horrible if I'd had no means to have my babies treated. But the fact I was going into debt doubtless figured in my decision not to give Flavia a stressful 2nd transfusion, along with the fact that the transfusion only worked temporarily anyway. We just do the best we can, don't we. And finances do play a part, which is hard to take. Praying Spencer had a good night. And that things look better today at your own vet. Just keep showering him with love. (Thank the Lord he's not feral.) Also hope same for Bruce. I'm thinking of all you guys, and praying for more good news, big hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Spencer update Well we just got back from the vet. The first set of xrays showed fluid build up around his lungs and made it hard to see what was going on with his organs or if they could detect any masses. So they drained the fluid and did another set of xrays. They also gave him oxygen and subq fluids, (the subqs I could have done at home, but figured it would be better to not have to put him through any added stress after we did get home). He actually seems hydrated enough with good color to his gums, but we figured since he hasn't been eating it couldn't hurt. Bottom line is that we don't know much more than that he had fluid build up that was making it hard to breath, we don't know why and the xrays weren't definitive enough for the doctor on duty to be able to tell anything. (I got a lot of well, it could be, but maybe nots). At least he feels better as I'm writing this, he even ate a little bit for me when we got home. They wanted to keep him overnight, but I said no thank you. He's better off at home where he'll be more comfortable. So here I sit, a good deal poorer, with no answers that will help him. They wanted to send in the fluid to be analyzed, but the vet warned me that they might not be able to tell anything from it. Since that would have been an extra $200 bucks, I told them to hold on to it and let me talk to his regular Internist about it in the morning. We're over $1400 as it is and no closer to helping him get well then before we started. Extremely big sigh. Nina IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Lucy again
If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am back up to 10 a day and will taper more slowly, but am worried my vet will not refill as he thinks that is too much pred and that she should get a scope if she needs that much. Though I don't see the point, since even if she has lymphoma they would put her on that much pred anyway, and if the pred stops working they use leukeran with both lymphoma and severe ibd, so what is the point of the 3 hours of driving and invasive probes. But I will have to see, because if my local vet will not keep prescribing the pred when she needs it, I may have no choice. Michelle
RE: Lucy again
Title: Message Sending prayers for Lucy. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Lucy again If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am back up to 10 a day and will taper more slowly, but am worried my vet will not refill as he thinks that is too much pred and that she should get a scope if she needs that much. Though I don't see the point, since even if she has lymphoma they would put her on that much pred anyway, and if the pred stops working they use leukeran with both lymphoma and severe ibd, so what is the point of the 3 hours of driving and invasive probes. But I will have to see, because if my local vet will not keep prescribing the pred when she needs it, I may have no choice. Michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Lucy again
Here's vibes that Lucy stabilizes and that your local continues to prescribe the prednisone. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Lucy again If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am back up to 10 a day and will taper more slowly, but am worried my vet will not refill as he thinks that is too much pred and that she should get a scope if she needs that much. Though I don't see the point, since even if she has lymphoma they would put her on that much pred anyway, and if the pred stops working they use leukeran with both lymphoma and severe ibd, so what is the point of the 3 hours of driving and invasive probes. But I will have to see, because if my local vet will not keep prescribing the pred when she needs it, I may have no choice. Michelle This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: Toxoplasmosis - Spencer
Tad, I'm so very sorry to hear you lost your little Leo. Please know I'm thinking of you. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Toxoplasmosis - Spencer I have had 2 FeLV+ cats that have had fluid on the lungs and that makes breathing very difficult for them... One xray can show the space around the lungs that indicates the fluid filling the cavity and making it hard to breath in... A pill to absorb that fluid does relieve the breathing in only a couple hours... The fluid is most likely there because of a cancer somewhere though and the pill won't fix that... But it can give a few weeks of quality life... I am having a hard time to write this because I just lost my Little Leo a couple hours ago but it did help him and although he has been getting weaker and weaker for a while he did seem to be able to enjoy the things and places that he liked right up to the end Tad Nina wrote: I took your advice and called back to bug my vet's office some more. I did get a call back from the Internist on duty. He thinks the possibility of it being Toxo, even with an immune compromised kitty is like 5 out of 100. He rattled off all the things it could be to cause shallow breathing. The felv itself, heart problems, fluid on his lungs... He suggested I bring him in on an emergency basis and at least get an xray. He's not sure who will be there to read it though. I'm hesitating, but I still don't think I'm going to bring Spence in when I know a competent vet isn't there to read results. I'm climbing the walls here. Thanks everyone for helping me through this. I have a call into Jasmine, my AC. I'm hoping she can give me better insights. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, call a DIFFERENT vet clinic. Tell them your vet is not returning calls and that you are desperate, they might be able to help. OR, call yours relentlessly, like every 10 minutes, call back again. Drive the answering service nuts, they will put you on priority just so they don't have to continue to be bothered. Phaewryn IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Spencer update
Nina, please post the bloodwork that you ran for me -- I really would like to see it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Spencer update Well we just got back from the vet. The first set of xrays showed fluid build up around his lungs and made it hard to see what was going on with his organs or if they could detect any masses. So they drained the fluid and did another set of xrays. They also gave him oxygen and subq fluids, (the subqs I could have done at home, but figured it would be better to not have to put him through any added stress after we did get home). He actually seems hydrated enough with good color to his gums, but we figured since he hasn't been eating it couldn't hurt. Bottom line is that we don't know much more than that he had fluid build up that was making it hard to breath, we don't know why and the xrays weren't definitive enough for the doctor on duty to be able to tell anything. (I got a lot of well, it could be, but maybe nots). At least he feels better as I'm writing this, he even ate a little bit for me when we got home. They wanted to keep him overnight, but I said no thank you. He's better off at home where he'll be more comfortable. So here I sit, a good deal poorer, with no answers that will help him. They wanted to send in the fluid to be analyzed, but the vet warned me that they might not be able to tell anything from it. Since that would have been an extra $200 bucks, I told them to hold on to it and let me talk to his regular Internist about it in the morning. We're over $1400 as it is and no closer to helping him get well then before we started. Extremely big sigh. Nina
RE: Lucy again
Hi Michelle, Good wishes going out for Lucy and you. I don't know about leukeran, but if she is probably going to be on it eventually anyway, andif your vet won't refill the Pred., maybe he will allow you to switch toleuk. now without thescope and see how that works?Hopefully she'll adjust to the slower taper and it won't be an issue... Bestwishes, Beth If you have prayers to spare in this terrible week with so many sick cats, please say a little one for Lucy. This time she relapsed at 7.5 mg/day of pred. I am more worried that her ibd could be morphing into lymphoma, as that is a pretty high dose. But maybe I just tapered her too quickly. I am back up to 10 a day and will taper more slowly, but am worried my vet will not refill as he thinks that is too much pred and that she should get a scope if she needs that much. Though I don't see the point, since even if she has lymphoma they would put her on that much pred anyway, and if the pred stops working they use leukeran with both lymphoma and severe ibd, so what is the point of the 3 hours of driving and invasive probes. But I will have to see, because if my local vet will not keep prescribing the pred when she needs it, I may have no choice. Michelle
CROSS POST: FeLV Cat needs Help!
I have just been given permission to cross post this. I believe the cat is in the Tampa Bay (Florida) area. Leslie =^..^= On 9/1/06, Wienker, Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A really, really sweet FeLV positive kitty is in need of a home immediatley. He is a Black and White male, 1.5 - 2.5 yers old, has just been neutered and vaccinated for rabies and distemper. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are able to help this sweet guy, thank you! -- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: OT - Zack
Hi Nina, If you can find a good balance they really aren't sedated, Cody is pretty laid back and very lazy anyway. I did notice he was what I thought at the time sleeping a little more, but I'm not so sure now that that was 100% true. He sleeps a lot now, and if he isn't sleeping he is laying around doing nothing. He's pretty lazy and I guess that could have something to do with him being a tad overweight:) -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
after i called the vet over 20 times he finally answered and said yes crackers IFA is positivei asked him can he throw the virus...the vet said no the IFA confirms he is full blown luekemia...i said what should i do,...he said there is nothing to do...my baby crackers is 5yrs old and has never been sick ever with anything and I WONT GIVE UP!!!...i cant believe this vet..MAKE THAT MY EX VET...i am looking for another vet and will not go back to him...ok you wonderful people are my guardians..i will do anything suggested..money is not a factor when it comes to my baby...i will do anything please respond please is this IFA final or should i retest? kayte
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
Hi Kayte, Since you only had Pokemon since last Oct, and she didn't appear to be sick when you got her (at least that's what I assume - otherwise you wouldn't have mixed the 2 cats?), it could very well be that Pokemon didn't flare up until just recently and therefore Crackers is testing positive because he was just recently exposed. Since Crackers seems to be a healthy 5 yo, he could very well throw the virus off. I would look for another vet - where are you located? Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:41:09 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. after i called the vet over 20 times he finally answered and said yes crackers IFA is positivei asked him can he throw the virus...the vet said no the IFA confirms he is full blown luekemia...i said what should i do,...he said there is nothing to do...my baby crackers is 5yrs old and has never been sick ever with anything and I WONT GIVE UP!!!...i cant believe this vet..MAKE THAT MY EX VET...i am looking for another vet and will not go back to him...ok you wonderful people are my guardians..i will do anything suggested..money is not a factor when it comes to my baby...i will do anything please respond please is this IFA final or should i retest? kayte
RE: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
Kayte -- The first thing you should do is BREATHE. ;-) And then relax. If this is the same vet who had to look in a book about the other test, yes, you should seek a more knowledgeable vet, and probably have a retest. But since Crackers isn't sick now, you're one step ahead of a lot of people who discover they have an FeLV+ cat. You can keep your baby healthy for many years to come by following the advice of the lovely people on this list. (I can't give you a lot of practicaladvice firsthand, being new to FeLV myself.I tookin a stray, Patches, who turned out to be FeLV+ and losthim less than 2 months after we met him, but in that short time I got loads of great advice and ENCOURAGEMENT from this list. I haven't been able to bring myself to unsubscribe, everybody is so nice). I know everybody will give you tons of ideas to keep Crackers healthy and happy. Your vet is an idiot for saying nothing can be done. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:41 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. after i called the vet over 20 times he finally answered and said yes crackers IFA is positivei asked him can he throw the virus...the vet said no the IFA confirms he is full blown luekemia...i said what should i do,...he said there is nothing to do...my baby crackers is 5yrs old and has never been sick ever with anything and I WONT GIVE UP!!!...i cant believe this vet..MAKE THAT MY EX VET...i am looking for another vet and will not go back to him...ok you wonderful people are my guardians..i will do anything suggested..money is not a factor when it comes to my baby...i will do anything please respond please is this IFA final or should i retest? kayte This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Fwd: SAMe for cats
This is the kind letter I got from Dr. Gfeller and he said it was alright to post, He has the release date on the bottom, Kelly X-Originating-IP: [68.142.199.175] DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ipyMz4XzH9mDEtlem6bch5AiW1p890tI4/v06K362CiB44H1VjjSGg9JniEbYRPvrzZOjDCGh7MNZz7iaX1Qjpa4TNPav3fhzSKzf0IWAe+VrZsOwfK7GcTrmJV/fnKgjgfCE8b8eTNi9Gnmf+UDITo5Ruh8RFTbu/QMubDxRHo= ; Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger W Gfeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Roger W Gfeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SAMe for cats To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.1.405 [268.11.7/437] Ms. Lane, I thank you for your interest in my theory that SAMe may help lessen the anemia seen in many chronically ill or severely injured cats. Here's how I look at this. This has not been confirmed in a lab study. Here's what we know: the cat has hemoglobin that is very susceptible to oxidative injury. Oxidative injury is seen with chronic or severe illness or injury. When the hemoglobin is damaged by oxidative injury, the red cell is destroyed and the cat becomes anemic. Normally, a cat will protect the hemoglobin using natural body defenses such as glutathione. In the population of cats that I am speaking of, the glutathione stores are quickly depleted for many reasons and it is not repleted - usually because they are not eating. SAMe provides a precursor to glutathione. Analysis of these considerations makes me wonder - if we provide a glutathione precursor such as SAMe, can we ameliorate the anemia? Is it as simple as controlling the damage of oxidative injury? Or is it more complex? Likley, it is a very complex problem, but I wonder if we could at least lessen this problem by using something simple. It would take a very concerted effort to gather the information and put it all together to make a vaild scientific conclusion. I hope that in the future, we, as a teaching center, will be able to take on projects such as this. Sincerely, Roger W. Gfeller, DVM, DACVECC President, Central CA Veterinary Specialty Center No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
I think your vet is a quack. Crackers cannot have full blown leukemia if he is showing no symptoms. DO NOT PANIC. Calm down. Crackers is going to pick up on you being upset and it will upset him too. The best thing you can do is calm down and find a better vet. Use the phone to do it. Keep us posted. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after i called the vet over 20 times he finally answered and said yes crackers IFA is positivei asked him can he throw the virus...the vet said no the IFA confirms he is full blown luekemia...i said what should i do,...he said there is nothing to do...my baby crackers is 5yrs old and has never been sick ever with anything and I WONT GIVE UP!!!...i cant believe this vet..MAKE THAT MY EX VET...i am looking for another vet and will not go back to him...ok you wonderful people are my guardians..i will do anything suggested..money is not a factor when it comes to my baby...i will do anything please respond please is this IFA final or should i retest? kayte __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
I just hate those vet stories - there are so many out there. I use interferon alpha, 30 units daily, for each of my FELV cats. However, it's worth checking into interferon omega (expensive, hard to get I hear) and immunoregulin. Sorry I can't be of more help. Best of luck, Gloria - Original Message - From: kelly To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. At 01:41 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote:According to my vet,,,he can still clear the virus,,,she suggests re testing again in 5 or so months...Sounds like your vet may need a refresher course,,,I have dealt with vets like that so i am not surprised, they just do not bother to keep currentMy friends FELV cat is over 15 Kelly after i called the vet over 20 times he finally answered and said yes crackers IFA is positivei asked him can he throw the virus...the vet said no the IFA confirms he is full blown luekemia...i said what should i do,...he said there is nothing to do...my baby crackers is 5yrs old and has never been sick ever with anything and I WONT GIVE UP!!!...i cant believe this vet..MAKE THAT MY EX VET...i am looking for another vet and will not go back to him...ok you wonderful people are my guardians..i will do anything suggested..money is not a factor when it comes to my baby...i will do anything please respond please is this IFA final or should i retest?kayteNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: Spencer update
Hey Nina, Bless your heart. $1400 is a lot of money not to know what you're dealing with still. I would be frustrated and feeling a bit defeated too. I just want to encourage you to keep on with the good fight, and hopefully Spencer will just heal spontaneously and surprise you! We all know here that miracles do happen, even in the midst of all the chaos. Please keep us posted on what your internist says. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well we just got back from the vet. The first set of xrays showed fluid build up around his lungs and made it hard to see what was going on with his organs or if they could detect any masses. So they drained the fluid and did another set of xrays. They also gave him oxygen and subq fluids, (the subqs I could have done at home, but figured it would be better to not have to put him through any added stress after we did get home). He actually seems hydrated enough with good color to his gums, but we figured since he hasn't been eating it couldn't hurt. Bottom line is that we don't know much more than that he had fluid build up that was making it hard to breath, we don't know why and the xrays weren't definitive enough for the doctor on duty to be able to tell anything. (I got a lot of well, it could be, but maybe nots). At least he feels better as I'm writing this, he even ate a little bit for me when we got home. They wanted to keep him overnight, but I said no thank you. He's better off at home where he'll be more comfortable. So here I sit, a good deal poorer, with no answers that will help him. They wanted to send in the fluid to be analyzed, but the vet warned me that they might not be able to tell anything from it. Since that would have been an extra $200 bucks, I told them to hold on to it and let me talk to his regular Internist about it in the morning. We're over $1400 as it is and no closer to helping him get well then before we started. Extremely big sigh. Nina __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Immuno regulin
Did you start the immunoregulin because he WAS asymptomatic and now he's better?tonyacindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We first started Smokey on 2 shots per week subq. Heis now on 1 shot per week subq. I am not sure aboutthe dosage. I can look when I get home though. Thevet fixes the shots up for me and I keep them in therefrigerator.Cindy--- Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Cindy, are you doing subQ shots or is the vet doing IV? What is the protocol? I have seen .2cc every day for 4 days, then .2cc once a week for 4 weeks, then .2cc monthly. Have also seen .4cc once a day for 4 days, .4cc once a week for 4 weeks and .4cc every 4 months. I have a feleuk baby I want to start on immunoregulin but can't settle on a protocol. Thanks. Susan cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I have had good results so far with immuno-regulin. The vet started my Smokey on shots several months back. He is positive and kept on getting fevers. He hasn't had a fever since March. Smokey started gaining weight and right now he seems to be doing really good. I keep my fingers crossed this will continue. Cindy --- kelly wrote: I have not been here for years,,,I have a new kitten 8 mos,,Pos on the ELISA, ( FELV) ,no IFA yet, He is sort of visiting, Male..He will be going with a new famly hopefully shortly but I am interested in getting him started on some immune boosters, My vet said that they have stopped the clinical trials on Immuno Regulin because there were no documented benefits,,, I had used Alpha Interferon many years ago but that did not help. Anyone with opinions I would appreciate, Thanks Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Lucy again
Prayers going out for little Lucy. What a trooper! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...
My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. :) Wendy --- kandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
I am located in new jersey..south jersey..when i first found pokemon she was skinny but showed no sick symptoms at all...she had a pink collar on and was so friendly and her fur very long was clean and she smelled so good...she was hungry and in a few months plumped up but still was small...i posted her on the web as a found cat..and checked the newspaper for lost cats she had 8 toes on each foot and i couldn't find the owner...after a while she became part of our family...loved to play and purr and she loved water and LOVED to eat...i was so naive..now my stomach is in knots because i blame myself for cracker sickness...my vet x vet is terrible basically says to throw in the towel but i cant..he told me i am just in denial and there is nothing to do...he didn't mention anything about blood test to count cells or anything...i have read every post on here im thinking about sending it to him the fool
i have never met people like you all
I have never met in my life people with more compassion then you people...i have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and take care of sick kitties...i have read every single post on here that it let me go back to and the heart break you all have had and are dealing with is beyond words can describe...yet you still console each other and offer advice to newbies like me...may God look over all of you and you loved ones and your sweet "babies" and THANK YOU so much..i barely know anything about these sickness but if you EVER need to talk please hit me up [EMAIL PROTECTED] kayte
RE: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
Hi, I am not sure exactly what you are looking for I have two felk kitties who are positive and they are both asymptomatic I just watch them closely. Are you looking for a home for your kitty? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:50 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. I am located in new jersey..south jersey..when i first found pokemon she was skinny but showed no sick symptoms at all...she had a pink collar on and was so friendly and her fur very long was clean and she smelled so good...she was hungry and in a few months plumped up but still was small...i posted her on the web as a found cat..and checked the newspaper for lost cats she had 8 toes on each foot and i couldn't find the owner...after a while she became part of our family...loved to play and purr and she loved water and LOVED to eat...i was so naive..now my stomach is in knots because i blame myself for cracker sickness...my vet x vet is terrible basically says to throw in the towel but i cant..he told me i am just in denial and there is nothing to do...he didn't mention anything about blood test to count cells or anything...i have read every post on here im thinking about sending it to him the fool
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
At 04:49 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: I know you can't share his name, but we could all send him little polite notes to get him current, meanwhile there are many wonderful helpful vets out there who would never dream of doing or saying what he did,,, Please do not blame yourself,,We have all been there and you just did a kind thing, I guess just like when I offered to help this girl out with her cat until she moved,,she though he had been tested, Well , he is positive,,but the girl and her Max deserve good care so Max is here for the next 10 months and getting very spoiled, I am starting him on Immuno regulin, and did you see the post about Sam -E from the doctor. It is easy to do,,cheap and no rx is needed, I think if you had know Pokeman was positive you would have cared for her anyway..just kept them separate, Did Crackers ever receive the vaccine?? Kelly I am located in new jersey..south jersey..when i first found pokemon she was skinny but showed no sick symptoms at all...she had a pink collar on and was so friendly and her fur very long was clean and she smelled so good...she was hungry and in a few months plumped up but still was small...i posted her on the web as a found cat..and checked the newspaper for lost cats she had 8 toes on each foot and i couldn't find the owner...after a while she became part of our family...loved to play and purr and she loved water and LOVED to eat...i was so naive..now my stomach is in knots because i blame myself for cracker sickness...my vet x vet is terrible basically says to throw in the towel but i cant..he told me i am just in denial and there is nothing to do...he didn't mention anything about blood test to count cells or anything...i have read every post on here im thinking about sending it to him the fool No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: i have never met people like you all
Kayte, that's exactly why I'm still here 8 years (this weekend) after losing my FeLV+ girl. This is the best group of people I've ever encountered and there are a number of lurkers and old time members who may or may not still have a positive kitty, but who remain on the list because the list has become family and if there's a possibility that our past experiences could help a newbie, we're here. I love these people with all my being! barb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never met in my life people with more compassion then you people...i have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and take care of sick kitties...i have read every single post on here that it let me go back to and the heart break you all have had and are dealing with is beyond words can describe...yet you still console each other and offer advice to newbies like me...may God look over all of you and you loved ones and your sweet "babies" and THANK YOU so much..i barely know anything about these sickness but if you EVER need to talk please hit me up [EMAIL PROTECTED] kayteBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: my baby crackers
Had you ever had Crackers tested previously? Was he vaccinated? I think it's highly unlikely Crackers got leukemia from Pokemon. Was Pokeman ever tested? I don't think you should blame yourself for bringing Pokemon in, and I doubt that is how Crackers got felv.If Crackers does have felv he sounds very healthy and could live a very long life. You'll get lots of good advice from this list. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About last Oct. we found Pokemon at our local park. She had a pink collor on and was so tame and lovable. But she was skinny. I thought I was doing an excellent thing bringing her home and my son 4 and niece 9 wouldn't have it any other way. She seemed to gain weight when she got here. She was small so i thought she was still a kitten about 4-5 months. Well a few weeks ago Pokemon started "coughing" she got into the basement and had insulation on her nose. So when the coughing was still going on but not as bad I thought she must have sniffed some insulation. Last Monday her breathing semed like a deep hard breathing and she was always so skinny i didn't notice a weight lost. I went down into the basment i live in a triplex...i found rat poisoning in a corner on a shelf. I rushed her to my local animal hospital and they told me that she needed emergency care...so we drove to unniversity of penn animal emergency hospital. They took her right in. I was thinking oh no rat poisoning..we dont even have mice here. Well finally after getting half assed answers and them saying it could be this or that...she told me that Pokemon had an abundancy of fluided in her lungs and finally was told that she had lyphomia and that they estimated Pokemon to be between 5-7 yrs old based on teeth and kidney size. To do the full tests and amit her to the ICU unit would be between $6000-$8000 estimate and we needed to put $1300 down. And they were so kind to let us have 5 mins to decide. Also the dr. said that this lyphomia could have been from Feline Aids or Feline Luekemia and that Cracks may have been affected. Now my mind was shot. I decided to euthanize her when they said she was so sick that they also believed she had this for awhile and was little hope. Ok on to Crackers. On the way home from putting Pokemon to sleep I immediately called my vet to get Crackers tested for FIV AND The luekemia. That was Tuesday and today is Saturday. Last nite Friday cracker had his appointment the dr said looks like he will be negative for both but we still have about 2 mins. Well he said oh we do have a positive. As my heart dropped he got his book and said feline luekemia. The dot that registared was a little very lite blue dot. I told him to send out the other ultra violet test. They should be back Sun morning and with the holiday if not sun then Mon. He said Crackers looked very Healthy and strong. I asked him over and over being in shock if there were false positives and he said that the test didn't have any. Here is a little of Crackers history: he is my big baby 18.6 lbs..he has NEVER been sick ever...no colds nothing and he only had diareahha 1 day when he was a yr old. He is very loving and happy..has never been outside except when he would run out and i was right after him. That he grew out of. He has a hearty appetite. I leave out food and fresh water 24-7 for him. He lives a very stress free life and is a LOVER boy he loves to purr and be rubbed. I am willing to do anything in the world for him and i will. I am open to all and all suggestions. And all I can remember is that the 1st month pokemon came they would fight and he did have a bite mark that bleed..he is all white. So i know he suffered a deep wound puncture for her. What kills me is how dense I was. I based Pokemon like a book by its cover. She was beautiful and so sweet I NEVER realized i should of had her tested and never brought her near my baby. I will never be able to forgive myself for Cracker being a positive Feline Leukemia. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
RE: i have never met people like you all
I agree wholeheartedly. I can come to this group with any of my kitties if they are not feeling well whether they are positive or not and they are very supportive and genuine Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: i have never met people like you all Kayte, that's exactly why I'm still here 8 years (this weekend) after losing my FeLV+ girl. This is the best group of people I've ever encountered and there are a number of lurkers and old time members who may or may not still have a positive kitty, but who remain on the list because the list has become family and if there's a possibility that our past experiences could help a newbie, we're here. I love these people with all my being! barb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never met in my life people with more compassion then you people...i have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and take care of sick kitties...i have read every single post on here that it let me go back to and the heart break you all have had and are dealing with is beyond words can describe...yet you still console each other and offer advice to newbies like me...may God look over all of you and you loved ones and your sweet babies and THANK YOU so much..i barely know anything about these sickness but if you EVER need to talk please hit me up [EMAIL PROTECTED] kayte Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: Spencer update
At 05:21 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote: In searching for a cat,,,They do not come, Look under every possible hiding place, They rarely venture far,,neighbors,,,under cars behind trash cans. As soon as it gets dark take a flashlight and scan and scan,,Their eyes will glow Keep us posted Kelly I have awful news. Spencer has gone missing. It's completely my fault, I don't know what I was thinking. I left for appointments this morning and deliberately left the door open for the dogs and cats. I've been doing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very sick, I know that cats can decide to find a quiet place to pass on their own, yet I left the door open. In the six months that Spencer has been with us he rarely goes outside and when he does it's to keep me company in the yard. Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a puppy. I can only fear the worst. I talked with a couple of ACs and they said that he was looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in very short supply around this madhouse. I've been combing the bushes and going through the neighbor's yards all day. If he's still moving, if he wants to, I'm praying that he'll come home. It even went through my mind to shut him up before I left this morning, but I didn't think he'd be moving off his bed much and I don't know, I didn't really process this thought, but I didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either. He's been so good through his illness. The vets last night kept commenting about how sweet he was, I just hated to force anything on him. I just wanted to let you all know. I can't think of a punishment graver than not knowing what happened to him. I'm doing my best to not think of this in terms of punishment at all, just what is. It's too late to close the barn door now. I've gone through the frantic mode of finding him gone, been crying as I search, right now I'm feeling really numb. When I called Bruce at work to tell him, he asked me why I would want to have forced him to die in the house with us if that's not what he wanted. I could only come up with selfish answers for that one. The hardest part of all this is that I may never know. I'm still praying that he walks in the door. Feeling repentant and very very sad, Nina -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: i have never met people like you all
Me tooI think I have been here since 2001 Great bunch of caring and loving people. In a message dated 9/5/2006 5:11:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree wholeheartedly…. I can come to this group with any of my kitties if they are not feeling well whether they are positive or not and they are very supportive and genuine… Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: i have never met people like you all Kayte, that's exactly why I'm still here 8 years (this weekend) after losing my FeLV+ girl. This is the best group of people I've ever encountered and there are a number of lurkers and old time members who may or may not still have a positive kitty, but who remain on the list because the list has become family and if there's a possibility that our past experiences could help a newbie, we're here. I love these people with all my being! barb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never met in my life people with more compassion then you people...i have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and take care of sick kitties...i have read every single post on here that it let me go back to and the heart break you all have had and are dealing with is beyond words can describe...yet you still console each other and offer advice to newbies like me...may God look over all of you and you loved ones and your sweet "babies" and THANK YOU so much..i barely know anything about these sickness but if you EVER need to talk please hit me up [EMAIL PROTECTED] kayte TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUETerrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
Re: Leo
Well, we do know nutrition plays a vital role in keeping FELV+ cats healthy, so I suppose it makes perfect sense that the ones that arrived at your place thin were the first to succumb to the virus, and the ones that were in good weight are now doing well. Just goes to shows how MUCH of a difference a good diet makes! I'm glad to hear Munch and Jett and doing well! I'm really surprised no-one has been emailing you begging to let them adopt Munch, I mean, not many people would get a chance to have a Munchkin! He sure is CUTE! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: Lucy again
Hi michelle, lucy is in my prayers, I pray for the best for both of you. Lori
Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly
We're going to try medicating. I'm just not sure I can afford it long term. I'm getting custody of my 12 year old son again on the 19th, and he's on expensive ADD drugs, and I'm not made of money these days, with Mythic on his medication, it's just all adding up very quickly. As usual, I just have a lot on my plate... the truth is, Zack isn't going to do well outside, I think, because he's thin to begin with, and I just honestly don't have room for 7 cats, myself, my partner, and my son in a one bedroom apartment (we're in the process of building a wall in the livingroom, to divide it into two rooms, to make another small bedroom). I'm still holding out hope SOMEONE will find it in their heart to give Zack a chance to be a housecat again! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: Spencer update
I would have thought they could have at least given you some lasix or some other kind of drug to help with the fluid buildup issue... But, at least he feels better, that counts for a lot, even if you have to take him in to be drained every couple of days, if it helps him be comfortable, I suppose even without answers, it's got to count for something, right? Maybe if you just go in and say "I just want him drained" and tell them to not do any tests or exams, maybe they could do it cheaper? Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: Lucy again
Sending soothing vibes to Lucy, and you, Michelle. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
First offdont blame yourself for Crackers testing pos. I would bet that shes always been pos but just asymptomatic, just like my Tucson! As for that vet, or ex-vet, well lose him! Wish I knew somebody in south jersey If nothing else pans out, try the yellow pages and just call each one. Ask what their experience in treating FELV+ cats. Theres also a couple of FELV sanctuaries in NJ==cant think of names but it might be worth asking who they use as vets. Both Pokemon and Crackers are VERY lucky to have you-- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:50 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p. I am located in new jersey..south jersey..when i first found pokemon she was skinny but showed no sick symptoms at all...she had a pink collar on and was so friendly and her fur very long was clean and she smelled so good...she was hungry and in a few months plumped up but still was small...i posted her on the web as a found cat..and checked the newspaper for lost cats she had 8 toes on each foot and i couldn't find the owner...after a while she became part of our family...loved to play and purr and she loved water and LOVED to eat...i was so naive..now my stomach is in knots because i blame myself for cracker sickness...my vet x vet is terrible basically says to throw in the towel but i cant..he told me i am just in denial and there is nothing to do...he didn't mention anything about blood test to count cells or anything...i have read every post on here im thinking about sending it to him the fool
Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.
IFA is not final. Retest in 3 months. Until then feed good food, supplement with vitamin C. Until then read all the posts here, you will learn MUCH from just reading other's posts and asking questions about them when you get lost. Even if he is permanently positive, that's NO reason to just throw in the towel, there are LOTS of treatment options these days! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: Leo
Marie would never let Munch go... He is her cat.. He had a URI that took a long time to clear up and Marie was the only one that could handle him.. On the other hand Jett took to me... And Leo... Leo had arrived here just a couple months ahead of the AW cats and being a typical orange cat he was always the 1st to welcome new arrivals and Jett latched onto him right from the beginning... Just before he died she was washing and washing his head trying to make him feel better... It was really touching to watch... She has been sticking very close to me today and you can tell she is missing something from her life... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we do know nutrition plays a vital role in keeping FELV+ cats healthy, so I suppose it makes perfect sense that the ones that arrived at your place thin were the first to succumb to the virus, and the ones that were in good weight are now doing well. Just goes to shows how MUCH of a difference a good diet makes! I'm glad to hear Munch and Jett and doing well! I'm really surprised no-one has been emailing you begging to let them adopt Munch, I mean, not many people would get a chance to have a Munchkin! He sure is CUTE! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: Leo
Poor Jett. She just needs a new project, that's all. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until you take in a new baby for her to "momma". You know, Doobie used to "momma" Moogie like that. When Moogie died, I got Tigger. Doobie immediately took on "momma duty" for Tigger. Some cats are just very motherly by nature. Doobie will clean anyone who will let him, he's very sweet like that. He's such a good mommy. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program:http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more!It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: Leo
You know, we humans could take some lessons from our furry friends! Im so very sorry about Leo I know how you Marie and all the little ones will miss him. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Leo Marie would never let Munch go... He is her cat.. He had a URI that took a long time to clear up and Marie was the only one that could handle him.. On the other hand Jett took to me... And Leo... Leo had arrived here just a couple months ahead of the AW cats and being a typical orange cat he was always the 1st to welcome new arrivals and Jett latched onto him right from the beginning... Just before he died she was washing and washing his head trying to make him feel better... It was really touching to watch... She has been sticking very close to me today and you can tell she is missing something from her life... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we do know nutrition plays a vital role in keeping FELV+ cats healthy, so I suppose it makes perfect sense that the ones that arrived at your place thin were the first to succumb to the virus, and the ones that were in good weight are now doing well. Just goes to shows how MUCH of a difference a good diet makes! I'm glad to hear Munch and Jett and doing well! I'm really surprised no-one has been emailing you begging to let them adopt Munch, I mean, not many people would get a chance to have a Munchkin! He sure is CUTE! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: Spencer update
Dont forget garages and sheds Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Spencer update Nina, I know that must be really hard to deal with, but I must say, I agree with your partner, if he chose to go out on his own, then it is what he wanted. Cats are very much individuals, and perhaps he just needed to be alone, to face his own end. Keep the door open all night, maybe he will come back once he's made peace with whatever he needs to make peace with. Of course, I'd be frantically digging under bushes, looking in neighbor's crawlspaces, etc all night, if I were you, but that's just human emotion, not anything logical. But I do know how you must be feeling. Bless you. You have my condolences! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!
Re: Leo
She looks after Switters too...The New Orleans boy... But he is about a year old and at that age where too much mothering doesn't work... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Jett. She just needs a new project, that's all. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until you take in a new baby for her to "momma". You know, Doobie used to "momma" Moogie like that. When Moogie died, I got Tigger. Doobie immediately took on "momma duty" for Tigger. Some cats are just very motherly by nature. Doobie will clean anyone who will let him, he's very sweet like that. He's such a good mommy. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
RE: Leo
Ah, but at a year old they need mamma to start putting them in their place when they get out of line! By the way, I talked to Jean a few weeks ago she was asking about Switters I told her to contact you She may not want to bother you She is just so happy to have found you! Of course, Jean found another little one a couple of weeks ago driving home from work in the pooring rain. This one was much younger than Switters was and was in really bad shape. She tested pos for FELV and Jean is trying to nurse her back to health! I keep saying to Jean that shes got that hidden sign we all walk around with that says come to my house! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Leo She looks after Switters too...The New Orleans boy... But he is about a year old and at that age where too much mothering doesn't work... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Jett. She just needs a new project, that's all. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until you take in a new baby for her to momma. You know, Doobie used to momma Moogie like that. When Moogie died, I got Tigger. Doobie immediately took on momma duty for Tigger. Some cats are just very motherly by nature. Doobie will clean anyone who will let him, he's very sweet like that. He's such a good mommy. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006
Re: Spencer update
And make sure you have checked every place inside... Sick cats usually don't wander off into unformilure territory but they do squeeze into very small tight places.. Behind or under things where there is only a couple inches of crawl space... I have always wondered if I was doing the right thing for them by finding them and bringing them out of their hiding place but then when you do it does seem that they seem comforted by your caring... And they don't realize that the medication that we give them still has hope for giving them some good time yet We can only do what we can do... Feel good that we can give them what ever time we can... Leo's appointment to be PTS had already been made when someone at the shelter remembered talking to us and got permission to see if she could find us in the phone book... Tad Chris wrote: Dont forget garages and sheds Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Spencer update Nina, I know that must be really hard to deal with, but I must say, I agree with your partner, if he chose to go out on his own, then it is what he wanted. Cats are very much individuals, and perhaps he just needed to be alone, to face his own end. Keep the door open all night, maybe he will come back once he's made peace with whatever he needs to make peace with. Of course, I'd be frantically digging under bushes, looking in neighbor's crawlspaces, etc all night, if I were you, but that's just human emotion, not anything logical. But I do know how you must be feeling. Bless you. You have my condolences! Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need!
