Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Yes, RBC and PCV values are difflerent. A 2.59 PCV would not be a living cat. 15-17 PCV is severly anemic. This site explains the values a little better than I could. http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/labreports.html Beth C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm I think we must be talking about different blood values. The chart on that site says normal RBC is about 5-10, so that is maybe where Joey is measuring a 2.59. Tomi is measuring 17, where the normal range is 24-34, so that must be the PCV. I am not really sure what the difference is though, as they both measure red blood cells from what I gather. How is Joey doing, is he active at all, eating well? Tomi isn't as active as normal, but he is eating, though sometimes he needs some encouragement. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions? That is an awesome site. Thank you! Joey's RBC is 2.59. So if 15-17 is considered severely anemic...what is 2.59 considered? On 4/3/07, Gussies mom wrote: 15-17 is considered severly anemic. That's about where my foster Stamp is right now. This is a great web page for cat Hemotology at different stages of life: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/glossary2.php Beth Kelley Saveika wrote: I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 5:32 AM - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
I'm waiting on this week's blood values now. I did get his weight - up another 4, almost 5 ounces, from his last visit. So he has regained 7 ounces out of 3 lbs lost. On 4/4/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, RBC and PCV values are difflerent. A 2.59 PCV would not be a living cat. 15-17 PCV is severly anemic. This site explains the values a little better than I could. http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/labreports.html Beth C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm I think we must be talking about different blood values. The chart on that site says normal RBC is about 5-10, so that is maybe where Joey is measuring a 2.59. Tomi is measuring 17, where the normal range is 24-34, so that must be the PCV. I am not really sure what the difference is though, as they both measure red blood cells from what I gather. How is Joey doing, is he active at all, eating well? Tomi isn't as active as normal, but he is eating, though sometimes he needs some encouragement. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions? That is an awesome site. Thank you! Joey's RBC is 2.59. So if 15-17 is considered severely anemic...what is 2.59 considered? On 4/3/07, Gussies mom wrote: 15-17 is considered severly anemic. That's about where my foster Stamp is right now. This is a great web page for cat Hemotology at different stages of life: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/glossary2.php Beth Kelley Saveika wrote: I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 5:32 AM Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Late FeLV diagnosis
This is a reply to all the messages. The blood was sent to the lab, not checked in-office, and was double-checked--came up positive twice. So there's not much chance it was a false positive. But from what I've read it is not unusual for an infected cat that's only three months old to test negative. He should have been retested around the time he was neutered, but my vet at the time did not mention that possibility. Mao has actually seen three vets now (total of seven visits). One vet did the initial checkup, vaccinations, treatment for a fever, and neutering. I had moved so when the respiratory problems got bad I rushed him to a vet that was closer and open on Saturday. He took the X-ray, blood sample that came back FeLV+, and gave him steroids and mite treatment. The third vet I went to the next day was for the acute eye infection, and he got eye drugs and antibiotics added to his regime. The eye treatments seem to be helping, and he seems to be adapting to his breathing a little better. I don't think it has actually gotten any better, it's just a matter of being more used to his new environment since I moved house again. It hasn't gotten much worse in the last two days, although that's not saying much as I can't see how it could get much worse without killing him. Any exertion or scare throws him into a length fit of open-mouthed gasping--if it is particularly bad, his gums do in fact get blue. The worst is when I put the mite medication in his ears or the ointment in his eyes, to the extent that I am considering stopping those two particular medications if they're doing more harm than good, and hoping that the pills, antibiotics and eyedrops will do it. The vet hasn't mentioned euthanasia although he has said that the prognosis is very bad. He has offered to see him again and give him something to help his immune system a bit. I think he is doing all he can. Even if I could get interferon, it would be contraindicated because he is on steroids for his breathing. Surgery would require a specialist and hospitalization and in his state there is no way I would put him through that. He doesn't have a hypoplastic trachea, it is being squeezed or constricted in one spot, either due to a growing tumor or inflammation from his infection. In any event, I'm continuing to give him all his drugs and watching him closely. I hope he can pull through it but I can't let it get much worse. It gives me just a little hope that he's still happy to see me and rub my face, and still has an appetite, even though he is suffering. Last night he even managed to get onto his scratching post again. -Nathan I'm sorry that Mao is ill. At least if he is still showing his happy personality, you know that he's not giving up on himself yet. Praying for Mao that he pulls through this and stays with you for quite awhile longer. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Nathan Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Late FeLV diagnosis Yesterday I got the bad news that my boy Mao was FeLV+. This was the worst-case scenario and one that I had dismissed because he tested negative when I rescued him from the street as a baby in October, as had the only other cat he had contact with. He saw the vet on his first visit, the next day for vaccinations and a checkup, a few weeks later for boosters, again for a nasty fever in December that cleared up shortly afterwards, and in January for neutering. Other than the fever, the only problems he had were recurring diarrhea that I tried to manage by modifying his diet and an occasional fit of whooping that the vet had dismissed as hairballs. Those worried me a bit, but the vet's clean bill of health, his big appetite, energy, and growth all reassured me. Until recently. Mao seemed to dull a bit, and started snoring during his naps. Over the past week, Mao developed a nasty case of earmites and increased trouble breathing, progressing into fits of gasping for air. Since he had no runny nose and his temperature was normal, I thought it might be asthma. I took him to the vet on Saturday, and he took a blood sample and X-rayed him, finding a constriction in his trachea. He prescribed prednisone to try to make it easier for him to breathe as well as treatment for the mites. Then Sunday night, Mao almost instantly developed a horrible eye infection. The third eyelid of his right eye closed over and swelled up, blinding him in that eye and making it impossible for him to close it--meanwhile, his breathing deteriorated. He went back to another vet in the morning, and got eyedrops and ointment as well as antibiotics. It wasn't until later in the afternoon I got the call that he had tested FeLV+. Mao's breathing is not improving. The slightest exertion is enough to send him into a loud fit of labored gasping, and when he is not napping every breath is
Joey - Bloodwork still not good
I am concerned, to put it mildly. My poor boy's PCV/RBC values are up, very slightly. I think the RBC went from 2.59 to 2.75. His white blood cell count is back up again, though - it had gone down last bloodwork. He still feels very good, and that's why my vet says to keep going. If he didn't feel good he says he'd tell me to stop now. I asked him about transfusion/epogen. He says with this type of anemia, it just gives the white blood cells more material to destroy. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Most positive cats may require a little more time to get over any illness that a non positive cat needs. Giving the doxy for an extra week or two is better than having to start all over not to mention that Tomi is going to feel like crap that much longer. I just went through this with Fred, he isn't FeLV+ but he is CRF and has had an infection for 6 weeks. He still isn't eating and we are really struggling getting enough food into him, he is very traumatized by syringe feeding and we can't get another feeding tube for atleast another week or two. I won't even weight him because it will only freak me out. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
How is Fred today?
Hi Belinda, I read your post about Tomi and was wondering about Fred. How is he doing today? Praying this next week or so goes by fast so that he can get his new feeding tube. I was so hoping that he would start eating on his own again. At any rate, you are doing a wonderful job caring for him. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Hey Cassandra. What Tomi's going through sounds very similar to what Slinky went through (though his numbers were MUCH lower and his transfusion really didn't help him any). I would probably keep him on the doxy...I don't think that would hurt. Re: Epogen (Erythropoetin)...I don't know how much you know, but I'll share my limited knowledge and experience. Epogen is the hormone the kidneys produce that stimulates the bone marrow to produce red blood cells. It's typically given for kidney failure...which makes sense since it's there to replace the hormone the kidneys aren't producing. Some people on this list said they have seen it work for cats with felv who are anemic. It didn't really help Slinky at all. The vet was willing to try it but didn't think it would do much since she said (like yours) that his kidneys were probably producing it like crazy but his bone marrow couldn't respond. You can give Epogen at home yourself if you can get a scrip for it (it's given sub-q). One thing to note, since it's a human drug, they can develop antibodies to it. The numbers I've seen are that about 30-40% of cats will develop antibodies. Most of what you'll see online will say that it's given about 3 times a week (sometimes more for severe anemia). However, my vet (who I love and trust completely) did her own research and said that most people only give it once a week for felv cats. The reasoning is that a) cats with felv tend to develop the antibodies more quickly (so if it was going to work, it won't once the antibodies are developed) and b) because the kidneys are probably producing the hormone, by giving an additional dose 3 times a week you can actually overload the bone marrow and make matters worse rather than better. Just some things to keep in mind. Have you looked into anything like Interferon (alpha is the human drug, omega is for cats but is expensive and has to be ordered from another country) or Immuno Regulin? I tried IR with Slinky, but it didn't help. But it may have been that we started it too late. I don't know. There's some good info in the archives about both IR and Interferon. Someone also mentioned Dexamethasone to me for Slinky. It's a stronger steroid that may help stop the body from destroying the RBC's...and could even help him develop more. But since it's stronger, it can also further suppress the immmune system. I dont know much about dex though, so you'd have to look into it first. That's all I know. I hope you can sort everything out and find an effective way to treat Tomi. I'll be praying for you both that he will get better!! Hang in there. *hugs* MJ and Angel Slinky wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
RE: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
I'm so sorry, Sherry. Gentle Bridge journey to Lucinda, and a joyous reunion. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:14 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry The fish are biting. Get more visitors http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/ sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50 on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/ sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
oh, no; i'm sorry. GLOW to guide lucinda's way to the bridge--where way too many incredible FeLVs before wait to show her around. MC On 4/4/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry -- The fish are biting. Get more visitorshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
So sorry about your sweet baby. Beth Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
I'm so sorry Sherry. GLOW to you and to light her way to the bridge. Sherry MJ Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
I'm so sorry about Lucinda. I'll bet Mini and Max are glad to have her with them again. Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sorry about your sweet baby. Beth Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
Awww Sherry...I'm sorry. It sounds like you were very attached to her. I hope her passing was peaceful. So many losses lately. After my little meltdown yesterday morning, my husband called to tell me our elderly neighbor from down the street had passed away. He was the nicest man. He had served in the Air Force, and lost his wife of many years about 8 years before. He always stopped to talk to us and let us borrow his big ladder one day when we were trying to put up Christmas lights unsuccessfully. He also rescued me off the freeway (VERY scary) one day when I ran out of gas. Someone once said that it's not what you do that people remember when you're gone, it's how you made them feel. He always made me feel important and valuable. I'll miss him. It's a sad time lately... Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: To Kelley: RE: Small meltdown
I need to join the CRF list for my Julie, but really don't want to. Not only because of the number of emails I try to keep up with for two feline groups, but I'm scared of what I will find there. Ignorance really is bliss sometimes. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/3/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lololol...should I be laughing at this??? it does sound crazy, but we all know you aren't. thanks for the endorphins :) wendy This is how the conversation goes I'm sitting here crying, and the guy in the cube next to me says: What's wrong? Me: (I don't remember name of cat) died. Guy: Oh, a close friend? Me: No, a cat Guy: I'm sorry you lost your cat. Me: No, (cat) was a friend's cat. Guy: Which friend? Me: Hideyo. I don't remember how the rest went, but somehow it came out that Hideyo was an internet friend. So now they just kind of ignore me when I'm crying. Todays tears are sponsored by Sue's Pepper, from the feline heart list, which I dared to sneak over and try to read, and I sorely regret it. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
OPINIONS
does anyone know of any places in the Ohio area that help with feral cats? I know of a feral colony of about 15 cats that someone is trying to feed, but it is getting to be too much for them (elderly and limited income). They can not afford to get them fixed so they just keep having kittens. Wondered if anyone knew of a farm or some place nice that would take them. I have 14 of my own and can not take in any more.
RE: OPINIONS
If you go to www.pets911.com and enter the zip code of the location, local rescues will be listed and perhaps one of those can help. Anita Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:01:40 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OPINIONS does anyone know of any places in the Ohio area that help with feral cats? I know of a feral colony of about 15 cats that someone is trying to feed, but it is getting to be too much for them (elderly and limited income). They can not afford to get them fixed so they just keep having kittens. Wondered if anyone knew of a farm or some place nice that would take them. I have 14 of my own and can not take in any more. _ It’s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=WLMartagline
RE: OPINIONS
when I type in the zip all I see is are places that put them to sleep. I really don't want that. -Original Message- From: Stray Cat Alliance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Apr 4, 2007 2:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OPINIONS If you go to www.pets911.com and enter the zip code of the location, local rescues will be listed and perhaps one of those can help.Anita Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:01:40 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OPINIONS does anyone know of any places in the Ohio area that help with feral cats? I know of a feral colony of about 15 cats that someone is trying to feed, but it is getting to be too much for them (elderly and limited income). They can not afford to get them fixed so they just keep having kittens. Wondered if anyone knew of a farm or some place nice that would take them. I have 14 of my own and can not take in any more. It’s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips Check it out!
To Nathan: Re: Late FeLV diagnosis
Hi Nathan, First, I am so sorry the you and little Mao are having to go through this. It must be very tough for both of you, especially considering how young he is. Second, I don't want to give you false hope of Mao getting back to where he was before he got sick, BUT...there are a lot of things you can do to help manage/ease his pain. Obviously, since the growth is in his trachea area, surgery is either probably not an option, or a very risky one, given his breathing issues. Also, cutting into cancer cells in any mammal, if they aren't all removed, often results in the return of the cancer, and sometimes stronger. FeLV+ kitties are 300 times more likely to develop lymphoma. That's the bad news. The good news is that lymphoma is very manageable in cats. They respond very well to chemo and steroids. Some here have lived a lot longer than anyone thought. Depending on what your financial situation is, as sadly for many of us here it's a factor in determining treatment, but if you can, I would go to a Veterinary Internist a.s.a.p. and inquire about chemo. An internist will be an expert in treating cancer, assuming that's what the obstruction is. It seems the most pressing thing right now is to get whatever is constricting Mao's airway to shrink. The best way to do that is chemo. And chemo does not do to cats what it does to humans as far as illness goes; they fare much better with it. Depending on what the internist says and what treatment you decide to go with, if any, there is a steroid shot that works wonderfully for pain management, particularly in the later stages of cancer. It's a combo shot of dexamethasone and depomedrol. The internist should know about this, and possibly your regular vet. No matter who you see for help, a good vet is SO important in treating your furbaby. Find one you like; run from any you don't feel good about. Also, lysine is GREAT for strengthening the immune system, which is very important for FeLV+ cats. My Smookie had a horrible corneal ulcer that would not clear up with topical or oral antibiotics, nor with anti-viral drops. I started giving her 250-500 mg 2x per day of lysine and it went away! Make sure they lysine does not have propynol glycol in it as it causes blood issues in cats. Also lysine (or L-lysine) is tasteless, so I just put it in my cat's wet food and they had no idea it was there. They gobbled it right up. I got the lysine at my local health food store. Don't give up on Mao. My baby Cricket developed a horrible infection over three years ago. He had horrible fevers and the vet was just going to let him die in that cage. I took him home, gave him his antibiotics, water, and food every hour, and he came back and lived two more years until anemia took him. And I don't think he would have developed the anemia had he not been stressed out in my home due to other circumstances. The two most important things you can do for Mao is to keep him stress-free (and yourself as well) and to feed him a GREAT diet. I feed mine Innova Evo and cooked chicken, but there are other good foods out there as well. Please keep us posted on Mao's situation. Prayers going out for both you and Mao. Know that you are doing all you are out of love, so try not to second-guess yourself too much. We all do though. It's natural. And know that, unfortunately, you are not alone. :) Wendy Dallas, TX Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
To Sherry: Re: OT: Small meltdown
Thanks for the encouragement Sherry. I am having a much better day today. I hope your day is going great! :) Wendy --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy,meltdowns are normal for folks like us. :) I too still have them even though Maizee has been gone now 17 months.I still agonize over her last moments and if it should have been done differently.I too come here for comfort every once and awhile.Take care. Sherry and my furry boys wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, Why is it that even a year and a half after Cricket's passing, I can burst into tears after having flashbacks of the night he died? To a logical person (being me), it sounds ridiculous and overdramatic. But the fact remains that when I allow myself to remember what happened with Cricket the night he died, and how horrible it was, it sends me straight into meltdown. I am at work for heaven's sake. Usually, when I think about Cricket, I don't think about that one day in his life. But it seems so unfair that he couldn't have a more peaceful death. I will never forget his suffering, even knowing that he is now at rest. Why do some people's/animal's last days of their lives have to be filled with pain and suffering? I just don't understand it. I think maybe all the recent losses, and sadly there have been many, might be bringing my memories back, but maybe that's a good thing? Maybe we never really fully stop grieving, but every little meltdown we have allows us to heal a little more. Thanks for letting me ramble about my lack of understanding of the meaning of life. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
OPINIONS - FOR OHIO
Tell your friends in Ohio to go to this website http://www.animal-outreach.org/spay.html It lists spay/neuter clinics in Ohio. Depending on what county they are in, they could call the county clinic listed and probably get more info for where they live. If you find out where in Ohio they live, I could do more research. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Late FeLV diagnosis
Nathan, I am so sorry this is so complicated. You sound like you are doing all you can. God bless both you and Mao. Dede and Ki --- Nathan Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a reply to all the messages. The blood was sent to the lab, not checked in-office, and was double-checked--came up positive twice. So there's not much chance it was a false positive. But from what I've read it is not unusual for an infected cat that's only three months old to test negative. He should have been retested around the time he was neutered, but my vet at the time did not mention that possibility. Mao has actually seen three vets now (total of seven visits). One vet did the initial checkup, vaccinations, treatment for a fever, and neutering. I had moved so when the respiratory problems got bad I rushed him to a vet that was closer and open on Saturday. He took the X-ray, blood sample that came back FeLV+, and gave him steroids and mite treatment. The third vet I went to the next day was for the acute eye infection, and he got eye drugs and antibiotics added to his regime. The eye treatments seem to be helping, and he seems to be adapting to his breathing a little better. I don't think it has actually gotten any better, it's just a matter of being more used to his new environment since I moved house again. It hasn't gotten much worse in the last two days, although that's not saying much as I can't see how it could get much worse without killing him. Any exertion or scare throws him into a length fit of open-mouthed gasping--if it is particularly bad, his gums do in fact get blue. The worst is when I put the mite medication in his ears or the ointment in his eyes, to the extent that I am considering stopping those two particular medications if they're doing more harm than good, and hoping that the pills, antibiotics and eyedrops will do it. The vet hasn't mentioned euthanasia although he has said that the prognosis is very bad. He has offered to see him again and give him something to help his immune system a bit. I think he is doing all he can. Even if I could get interferon, it would be contraindicated because he is on steroids for his breathing. Surgery would require a specialist and hospitalization and in his state there is no way I would put him through that. He doesn't have a hypoplastic trachea, it is being squeezed or constricted in one spot, either due to a growing tumor or inflammation from his infection. In any event, I'm continuing to give him all his drugs and watching him closely. I hope he can pull through it but I can't let it get much worse. It gives me just a little hope that he's still happy to see me and rub my face, and still has an appetite, even though he is suffering. Last night he even managed to get onto his scratching post again. -Nathan I'm sorry that Mao is ill. At least if he is still showing his happy personality, you know that he's not giving up on himself yet. Praying for Mao that he pulls through this and stays with you for quite awhile longer. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Nathan Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Late FeLV diagnosis Yesterday I got the bad news that my boy Mao was FeLV+. This was the worst-case scenario and one that I had dismissed because he tested negative when I rescued him from the street as a baby in October, as had the only other cat he had contact with. He saw the vet on his first visit, the next day for vaccinations and a checkup, a few weeks later for boosters, again for a nasty fever in December that cleared up shortly afterwards, and in January for neutering. Other than the fever, the only problems he had were recurring diarrhea that I tried to manage by modifying his diet and an occasional fit of whooping that the vet had dismissed as hairballs. Those worried me a bit, but the vet's clean bill of health, his big appetite, energy, and growth all reassured me. Until recently. Mao seemed to dull a bit, and started snoring during his naps. Over the past week, Mao developed a nasty case of earmites and increased trouble breathing, progressing into fits of gasping for air. Since he had no runny nose and his temperature was normal, I thought it might be asthma. I took him to the vet on Saturday, and he took a blood sample and X-rayed him, finding a constriction in his trachea. He prescribed prednisone to try to make it easier for him to breathe as well as treatment for the mites. Then Sunday night, Mao almost instantly developed a horrible eye infection. The third eyelid of his right eye closed over and swelled up, blinding him in that eye and making it impossible for him to close it--meanwhile, his breathing deteriorated. He went back to
Re: OPINIONS
See if there is something akin to Alley Cat Advocates there. The one in Louisville does a good job of helping out. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: OPINIONS does anyone know of any places in the Ohio area that help with feral cats? I know of a feral colony of about 15 cats that someone is trying to feed, but it is getting to be too much for them (elderly and limited income). They can not afford to get them fixed so they just keep having kittens. Wondered if anyone knew of a farm or some place nice that would take them. I have 14 of my own and can not take in any more.
Re: Cassidy is a boy!
Some kids in the neighborhood brought me Oscar. She became Oscarina... Beth elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL My Othello was Ophelia until he went to get spayed :0) elizabeth On 4/3/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha! Ha! The vet called me with interesting newsCassidy fooled us all! He is now neutered. Luckily, I named him after a fictional cowboy, so the name will stay. I appreciate all the info on mixed households, but I'm still leery about trying it. We'll see how the search for a home goes and then I'll make a decision when the time comes. I've found places in Minnesota and Iowa that might be able to take him, but I haven't contacted the one in Utah yet. The ones in MN and IA are both sanctuaries for cats, and they are no-kill. The one in Minnesota is the Feline Leukemia Care Center http://www.felineleukemiacarecenter.org which only takes FeLV cats, but I haven't heard back from them. The one in Iowa can be viewed at www.rustichollowshelter.org. but they have a waiting list. I'll just have to wait and see. I apologize for not responding to the other posts at this timeI'm swamped with following leads for Cassidy, but I want to keep active on this mail list even if I don't have a FeLV baby in the future. My poor students but right now I care about cats more than them! Wendy, I should have known that I'd find other English people on here! I think all my English professors in undergrad had catssome with an entire household of them. I'll write down what you're reading, and look into it laterI'll add it to my must-read list. Why is it that English-minded people (or literature enthusiasts) are so compassionate with animals? Maybe it's because our studies (and our paychecks) have taught us that not everything valuable and honorable involves a price tag. Linda Hogan has a great book called Intimate Nature: The Bond Between Women and Animals. Perhaps many of you would find it comforting. Well, back to work for Cassidy the Cowboy Kitty! I'll let you all know how it goes Melissa, Osmond, NE To give a thing a name, a label, a handle; to rescue it from anonymity, to pluck it out of the Place of Nothingness, in short to identify it--well, that's a way of bringing the said thing into being. --Iff, the Water Genie - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
(OT) You guys are my only saving grace
I just wanted you to know that when I read email after email from other lists, with people making terrible tragic mistakes that cost animals their quality of life or their life all-together, mistakes made in selfishness, or self-righteousness, I can come here, and I know that there ARE good, intelligent, compassionate people in this world. So thanks guys, for helping me stay sane in a world full of crazy f*ing morons! Now.. on to the next 70 new messages... ;-) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:O'Gwynn;Jenn;Phaewryn;Ms. FN:Jenn Phaewryn O'Gwynn NICKNAME:Phaewryn ORG:Little Cheetah Cat Rescue;operations/field work TITLE:Cat Rescuer NOTE:I rescue cats. I run a small personal rescue operation, all on my own, and out of pocket. Donations appreciated at any time! Paypal donations can be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or send donations via check or money order to Jennifer O'Guin, PO Box 1008, Hardwick VT. 05843 TEL;WORK;VOICE:802-472-8628 TEL;HOME;VOICE:802 472-8628 ADR;WORK:;home office;;Hardwick;VT.;05843;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:home office=0D=0AHardwick, VT. 05843=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;P.O. Box 1008;Hardwick;Vermont;05843;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:P.O. Box 1008=0D=0AHardwick, Vermont 05843=0D=0AUSA X-WAB-GENDER:1 URL;HOME:http://ucat.us URL;WORK:http://ucat.us/adopt.html BDAY:19750928 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20070404T220046Z END:VCARD
Re: Late FeLV diagnosis
I would have him at the vet's office in an oxygen cage, personally. That may get him through this current crisis, they can also give him stronger antibiotics, and put him on IV fluids, all of which are supportive measures which could turn the balance in his favor. On a side note... if the breathing/eye problem is due to herpes (rhino), giving him steroids could make his eyes worse. Here are webpages with what Herpes eye issues look like, does his eye look like any pics on these pages? http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=1327S=1SourceID=42 http://vet.osu.edu/assets/courses/vm718/sam2/herpes.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Updates on Cassidy - vaccines
Just a side note... there are effective intra-nasal FVRCP vaccines which do not require any injection, thus NO RISK of sarcoma. Then there are non-adjuvanted rabies and FELV vaccines, which are less apt to cause sarcoma, even though they are injected (well, the FELV vaccine is actually jetted without a needle through the skin). I have all this info and more on my vaccine info page at: http://ucat.us/vaccines.html (recommended brands are almost exactly halfway down the page) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Cassidy is a boy!
I had a feral cat, one that came to me through rescue, which a VET looked at and gave it's shots to before sending him to me, he was a neutered male per the vet. He had kittens about 6 months later, oh yes, NOW I know WHY the other males were SO friendly to him! His name? Little Guy! He is still called Little Guy. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Cassidy is a boy!
*We had Katie and never had HER fixed because she had VSD (which is a very serious heart condition). The specialist vet did ultrasounds and other extensive diagnostics on this kitty... convinced he was a she. Until one day she was having a bath with her back leg raised above her head and... umm... what are those?! Talk about not being able to wrap your head around the concept that we had a boy named Sue... or named Katie!! LOL, we still laugh about that adorable little boy... we lost him a year ago to heart failure, but we'll always love our little guynamed Katie.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a feral cat, one that came to me through rescue, which a VET looked at and gave it's shots to before sending him to me, he was a neutered male per the vet. He had kittens about 6 months later, oh yes, NOW I know WHY the other males were SO friendly to him! His name? Little Guy! He is still called Little Guy. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Hi Marissa
Rufus sounds like a CH kitty (Cerebellar Hypoplasia), they are WONDERFUL, so alive, and *completely* clueless about their disability! If you adopt him, you should join handicats2 (it's another email group), where they are others with CH cats. I've had one come through rescue, and it was REALLY hard to let her go, but she found an excellent home. Cute as a button! Her head wobbled back and forth non-stop, she was just a baby, so I would hold her and let her head rest between my fingers for support and then here EYES would go back and forth, LOL! She'd get to running and just fall over one way, then the other, get right back up and wobble as fast as she could. Just absolutely adorable! Completely clueless that she was disabled, as far as she was concerned, she was JUST FINE! I have links to CH info on my webpage for handicapped cats at: http://ucat.us/HandicappedCats.html On a side note, here is a Bengal cat in the Baltimore area that is another special needs kitty, if you're interested. Please tell Sal that Phaewryn from VT sent you if you contact him (as I am just getting friendly with Bengal Cat Rescue, and could use the brownie points, LOL): http://www.geocities.com/anateagbengal/ (second cat down, special needs Bengal - hopefully he updates his website and these cats are still available - he has been so pressed for space that he's shut down his rescue operations until he places some cats - so I know he needs to place cats, just not sure how many are special needs. I do not know the severity of this cat's condition, it could possibly be more than you are ready to cope with, FCK is sometimes severe and deadly.) http://pawpeds.com/pawacademy/health/flatchest/whatisfck.html http://www.thecatsite.com/Health/90/Flat-Chested-Kitten-FCK.html Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Thank you for the kind thoughts. Tomi has been on the Doxy for 3.5 weeks, since March 9. I can see if the vet would give me some more, though she said I don't need to give it any longer. I believe she's off work until Monday though, so I would have to speak with another vet. I'm trying to give him the supplements every day, but now he's turning up his nose at eating the baby food with the powder in it (he doesn't like wet food very much, only dry). I might have to use the syringe to get all those supplements into him, and I know he's not going to like that. I've got lots of pictures of him, but its hard to live each day, not knowing how long he is going to be with us. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down,any suggestions? Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 12:48 PM
Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Thank you. Yes I am giving Interferon Alpha, but haven't looked at Immuno regulin or Dexamethasone. I'm not sure if I should be giving him even more than he is already on right now. I'll have to check into those though, if the Prednisone doesn't help. Tomi has been acting a little bit odd yesterday and today. He seems a bit restless, looking around like he is searching for something. It could be he's just looking for some more dirt to eat, since I got rid of all the clay cat litter. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down,any suggestions? Hey Cassandra. What Tomi's going through sounds very similar to what Slinky went through (though his numbers were MUCH lower and his transfusion really didn't help him any). I would probably keep him on the doxy...I don't think that would hurt. Re: Epogen (Erythropoetin)...I don't know how much you know, but I'll share my limited knowledge and experience. Epogen is the hormone the kidneys produce that stimulates the bone marrow to produce red blood cells. It's typically given for kidney failure...which makes sense since it's there to replace the hormone the kidneys aren't producing. Some people on this list said they have seen it work for cats with felv who are anemic. It didn't really help Slinky at all. The vet was willing to try it but didn't think it would do much since she said (like yours) that his kidneys were probably producing it like crazy but his bone marrow couldn't respond. You can give Epogen at home yourself if you can get a scrip for it (it's given sub-q). One thing to note, since it's a human drug, they can develop antibodies to it. The numbers I've seen are that about 30-40% of cats will develop antibodies. Most of what you'll see online will say that it's given about 3 times a week (sometimes more for severe anemia). However, my vet (who I love and trust completely) did her own research and said that most people only give it once a week for felv cats. The reasoning is that a) cats with felv tend to develop the antibodies more quickly (so if it was going to work, it won't once the antibodies are developed) and b) because the kidneys are probably producing the hormone, by giving an additional dose 3 times a week you can actually overload the bone marrow and make matters worse rather than better. Just some things to keep in mind. Have you looked into anything like Interferon (alpha is the human drug, omega is for cats but is expensive and has to be ordered from another country) or Immuno Regulin? I tried IR with Slinky, but it didn't help. But it may have been that we started it too late. I don't know. There's some good info in the archives about both IR and Interferon. Someone also mentioned Dexamethasone to me for Slinky. It's a stronger steroid that may help stop the body from destroying the RBC's...and could even help him develop more. But since it's stronger, it can also further suppress the immmune system. I dont know much about dex though, so you'd have to look into it first. That's all I know. I hope you can sort everything out and find an effective way to treat Tomi. I'll be praying for you both that he will get better!! Hang in there. *hugs* MJ and Angel Slinky wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
I'm so sorry about Lucinda. It is so hard to lose our precious babies. - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry -- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 12:48 PM
time between cats.
I have a neighbor that had a cat get sick and pass about 2 weeks ago. She found out about 3 days before he passed that he was FeLV +. She wants to get another cat but this on is not FeLV +. How long should she wait between cats and what can she do to help prevent any problems. Carla came to me because she know about Midnight but I am not to sure. I didn't have to worry about this with Norman. Thanks in advance for you advice. Jennifer M
Re: time between cats.
At 05:36 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote: about 10 minutes.no reason to wait kelly I have a neighbor that had a cat get sick and pass about 2 weeks ago. She found out about 3 days before he passed that he was FeLV +. She wants to get another cat but this on is not FeLV +. How long should she wait between cats and what can she do to help prevent any problems. Carla came to me because she know about Midnight but I am not to sure. I didn't have to worry about this with Norman. Thanks in advance for you advice. Jennifer M -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 12:48 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 12:48 PM
Re: time between cats.
Hi, What did her cat pass from? If it was complications from FeLV then she can get another cat immediately. FeLV does not survive long at all outside of a cat's body, if it dries, it dies. Beth On 4/4/07, Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a neighbor that had a cat get sick and pass about 2 weeks ago. She found out about 3 days before he passed that he was FeLV +. She wants to get another cat but this on is not FeLV +. How long should she wait between cats and what can she do to help prevent any problems. Carla came to me because she know about Midnight but I am not to sure. I didn't have to worry about this with Norman. Thanks in advance for you advice. Jennifer M
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
Oh Sherry - I am so sorry. elizabeth On 4/4/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 babies Mini and Max who we lost last year. Sherry -- The fish are biting. Get more visitorshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140cmp=Yahooctv=Q107Taglines=Ys2=EMb=50on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
Re: time between cats.
As long as it takes to wash and dry the litterbox and food and water dishes. FELV dies almost instantly outside the cat's body, once the virus dries, it dies. Bleach is not required to wash the litterbox or dishes, if they are dried well, that will kill any remaining virus that could be in them. If you wish to be extra careful, set them out in the sun for a few hours. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: time between cats.
Yes her cat has some form of cancer ( i did not get all the details). The vet tested the cat when she was in the office. This is an outdoor cat :(. I know that my Midnight was in a fight before he came to me and I would bet money that Jolly was the source of Midnights exposure. Beth Noren wrote: Hi, What did her cat pass from? If it was complications from FeLV then she can get another cat immediately. FeLV does not survive long at all outside of a cat's body, if it dries, it dies. Beth On 4/4/07, *Jennifer Madon* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a neighbor that had a cat get sick and pass about 2 weeks ago. She found out about 3 days before he passed that he was FeLV +. She wants to get another cat but this on is not FeLV +. How long should she wait between cats and what can she do to help prevent any problems. Carla came to me because she know about Midnight but I am not to sure. I didn't have to worry about this with Norman. Thanks in advance for you advice. Jennifer M
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Or give the new cat its own things. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: time between cats. As long as it takes to wash and dry the litterbox and food and water dishes. FELV dies almost instantly outside the cat's body, once the virus dries, it dies. Bleach is not required to wash the litterbox or dishes, if they are dried well, that will kill any remaining virus that could be in them. If you wish to be extra careful, set them out in the sun for a few hours. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: time between cats.
Thank you for this! I did tell my neighbor that if she does get this new kitten, she needs to make it an indoor cat. I had heard you needed to wait. I asked my vets office and the lady said 3 months. I thought that seemed excessive. Thanks for sharing. Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as it takes to wash and dry the litterbox and food and water dishes. FELV dies almost instantly outside the cat's body, once the virus dries, it dies. Bleach is not required to wash the litterbox or dishes, if they are dried well, that will kill any remaining virus that could be in them. If you wish to be extra careful, set them out in the sun for a few hours. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: time between cats.
Just to add to what's already been said... I talked to my vet just the other day about this situation (since I'm wanting to get new cats and Slinky recently died from felv). I just wanted to get her take on it. She confirmed what everyone else has said...that it does not live long outside the body and there's no need to wait (CERTAINLY not 3 months! The longest I'd seen when searching online was one month). She also said I could probably reuse his dishes and litter box after cleaning...but pointed out that I should probably replace them since I would probably worry about transmission even though it wouldn't happen (she knows me well)! Just thought I'd share what she said. MJ Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for this! I did tell my neighbor that if she does get this new kitten, she needs to make it an indoor cat. I had heard you needed to wait. I asked my vets office and the lady said 3 months. I thought that seemed excessive. Thanks for sharing. Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as it takes to wash and dry the litterbox and food and water dishes. FELV dies almost instantly outside the cat's body, once the virus dries, it dies. Bleach is not required to wash the litterbox or dishes, if they are dried well, that will kill any remaining virus that could be in them. If you wish to be extra careful, set them out in the sun for a few hours. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: time between cats.
I appreciate your info. I thought 3 months was crazy too. Marissa Johnson wrote: Just to add to what's already been said... I talked to my vet just the other day about this situation (since I'm wanting to get new cats and Slinky recently died from felv). I just wanted to get her take on it. She confirmed what everyone else has said...that it does not live long outside the body and there's no need to wait (CERTAINLY not 3 months! The longest I'd seen when searching online was one month). She also said I could probably reuse his dishes and litter box after cleaning...but pointed out that I should probably replace them since I would probably worry about transmission even though it wouldn't happen (she knows me well)! Just thought I'd share what she said. MJ */Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Thank you for this! I did tell my neighbor that if she does get this new kitten, she needs to make it an indoor cat. I had heard you needed to wait. I asked my vets office and the lady said 3 months. I thought that seemed excessive. Thanks for sharing. Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as it takes to wash and dry the litterbox and food and water dishes. FELV dies almost instantly outside the cat's body, once the virus dries, it dies. Bleach is not required to wash the litterbox or dishes, if they are dried well, that will kill any remaining virus that could be in them. If you wish to be extra careful, set them out in the sun for a few hours. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Bored stiff? http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49935/*http://games.yahoo.com on Yahoo! Games.
Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS
Sherry, My heart is breaking for you - AGAIN! I still remember your Maizee. I am devastated about Lucinda's passing- [Much too soon] And, I did have her on my daily prayer list. Just way TOO much going on here - illness, passing, etc. I am in a real funk And I only wish there were other options to stop all this... I too, am going thru a MAJOR meltdown. The only good thing is we ARE doing our best to help, save all fur babies No wonder I prefer critters over people. (So many people do create these problems.) Gotta go, I'm crying my eyes out. (A very common thing sadly ) Please know you are constantly in my thoughts and prayers. Hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
