Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-02-06 Thread GRAS
Please remember, if you add a comment to a long list of discussions, the
message becomes too large for this group (like this one) - it came back
marked as being 'reviewed.  
Now, I will erase the bottom parts, and resend it in an updated form.

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A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
negative) and then go from there
Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
really wonder!
Natalie

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
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Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
means the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
clueless when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth



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[Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests:

2012-02-06 Thread Lynda Wilson
First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the 
in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA test. Both types 
test for the FeLV protein p27. However, they detect the protein in different 
forms and detect infection at different stages. 1.) If a cat or kitten is 
ELISA positive, but healthy, an IFA test should be performed. Here is where 
the confusion begins.


If the cat is IFA negative but ELISA positive there are two possibilities. 
One is a false positive ELISA test and the other is a stage of the disease 
is present at which the IFA test doesn't detect infection. Therefore the 
suspect cat or kitten should be isolated and retested in at least 6 weeks. 
If, at that time the cat is IFA positive, you know that the cat if infected. 
The IFA is 99% accurate. An IFA positive cat can be shedding virus and 
infect other cats and kittens.


Remember to retest 6 weeks after an ELISA positive result, the cat's immune 
system can clear the virus especially in an adult cat (kittens and seniors 
have the most difficulty clearing the virus).



This is what I have always been told by veterinarians and everyone on this 
FeLV thread. I have not heard any different. This info is true!



Lynda



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[Felvtalk] Hope

2012-02-06 Thread botha . marinda4
To all the wonderful people who replied to my message yesterday: thank you for 
giving me hope! My ginger kitty is still not well and is extremely lethargic. I 
spoke to our vet today and he is ordering Interferon right away. Natalie sent 
me some information on medication and I shared it with our vet. He will also 
give kitty a vitamin booster and an appetite stimulant. I feel better now that 
I know we can at least try something. Thanks so much for your support! Regards 
Marinda
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-02-06 Thread Marcia Baronda
Lee
Absolutely wonderful advice(-:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM
   My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
 isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
 tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
 happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
 retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
 NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
 danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
 problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related
 to leukemia but always have it checked out.  Most important, get a second
 opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life
 ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending
 fatality.  Look at her the same way you have been doing all along.  A
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[Felvtalk] Sent yesterday, it was 34KB (tto large) - did it get through to you?

2012-02-06 Thread GRAS
Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened
to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was diagnosed by
the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a home, so I found
another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they
became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned
about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative.  I
introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from
our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where
another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, Mr. Tux
started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The woman's sister
is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA 
IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They
are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at
first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky
virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live
with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes
dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux
since mid-June.  Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at
most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old
when he came to us.  We also tested a cat that had to have another blood
tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little
Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to
have shown reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in
September, of 104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, I
hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into
natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for
them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if
the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the
virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests positive on ELISA
and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative.  Unless, of
course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I
assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that
so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize
their cats just because they have tested positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported
cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to
Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

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[Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread botha . marinda4
I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him with 
a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? I 
can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in the 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread Lynda Wilson

Get your kitty to the vet now! Keep us postedsending prayers your way!!
- Original Message - 
From: botha.marin...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair


I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to 
heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just 
lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible 
disease! Marinda !

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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread terrie
I agree kitty the kitty to the Vet A.S.A.P.!!!

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 Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DespairFrom: "Lynda Wilson" longhornf...@verizon.netDate: Mon, February 06, 2012 11:41 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgGet your kitty to the vet now! Keep us postedsending prayers your way!!- Original Message - From: botha.marin...@gmail.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:38 PMSubject: [Felvtalk] DespairI think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible disease! Marinda ! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread GRAS
ONLY if you think or know that he is suffering - look into his eyes and ask
him!  You can usually tell.  I am so sorry!  My thoughts are with you!
Natalie

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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair

I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him
with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to
heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just
lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible
disease! Marinda !
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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread Beth
She says in her email he is suffering.

 
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Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Despair
 
ONLY if you think or know that he is suffering - look into his eyes and ask
him!  You can usually tell.  I am so sorry!  My thoughts are with you!
Natalie

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair

I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him
with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to
heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just
lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible
disease! Marinda !
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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

I am not sure how long he has not eating, but I think you and he deserve to 
find out what's going on - it could be something easily treated - 
 

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 From: botha.marin...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:38:56 +
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair
 
 I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
 with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? 
 I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in 
 the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible disease! 
 Marinda !
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Re: [Felvtalk] My heart is broken

2012-02-06 Thread Lorrie
Marinda, I know how you feel because I have several FelV cats in my
sanctuary.  I am amazed at how long most of them have lived. Some
have shown no symptoms at all but others have died in a year of two.
FelV is not always a death sentence.  Many cats throw off the virus,
others keep it in remission for years with no symptoms, and others 
are not so lucky.   Give your ginger kitty good food, no stress, 
and lots of love, and if she should show signs of illness get her
to the vet right away.  Many FelV related illnesses can be treated.

Please keep us posted on her.

Lorrie 

From: botha.marin...@gmail.com botha.marin...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:16 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] My heart is broken
My  darling  ginger  cat has been diagnosed with feline leukemia. I am
devastated  because  the  vet  says that there is nothing he can do to
help us. We try our uttermost best to feed our cat but don't know what
to  do  to  help our darling. Is there some kind of medication that we
could  recommend  to  our  vet?  Could  someone  PLEASE help us to get
through  this  traumatic experience? We live in South Africa and don't
know where to get help. Please help us! Marinda


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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread Lorrie
Please get your kitty to the vet right away.  If he is hiding and not
eating he is most likely dying.  Please don't let him suffer and die
slowly and in pain.  My heart goes out to you, but if your vet says
there is nothing more to do euthanasia is a gentle, peaceful death.

 I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
 with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to 
 heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just 
 lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible 
 disease! Marinda !


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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread Marcia
He may just need fluids!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:03 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote:

 I am not sure how long he has not eating, but I think you and he deserve to 
 find out what's going on - it could be something easily treated - 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  From: botha.marin...@gmail.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:38:56 +
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair
  
  I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
  with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to 
  heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just 
  lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible 
  disease! Marinda !
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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

 
When my cats are sick, I normally check the followings at first:
 
Color of the gum - pale
Color of the skin - jaundiced?
Body temp  - warm/hot is much better than cold
Breathing - labored/fast?
Hydration level - is skin elastic?
 
If all of the above are okay, and the condition is an acute condition as 
opposed to be chronic, it might be something not life threatening...
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:58:47 -0600
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Despair



He may just need fluids!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:03 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote:







I am not sure how long he has not eating, but I think you and he deserve to 
find out what's going on - it could be something easily treated - 
 


 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 From: botha.marin...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:38:56 +
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair
 
 I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
 with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? 
 I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in 
 the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible disease! 
 Marinda !
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Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests:

2012-02-06 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
From what I know, there are four:

In-house ELISA
Lab ELISA
Lab IFA
PSA

Is this correct?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the
 in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA test. Both types
 test for the FeLV protein p27. However, they detect the protein in different
 forms and detect infection at different stages. 1.) If a cat or kitten is
 ELISA positive, but healthy, an IFA test should be performed. Here is where
 the confusion begins.

 If the cat is IFA negative but ELISA positive there are two possibilities.
 One is a false positive ELISA test and the other is a stage of the disease
 is present at which the IFA test doesn't detect infection. Therefore the
 suspect cat or kitten should be isolated and retested in at least 6 weeks.
 If, at that time the cat is IFA positive, you know that the cat if infected.
 The IFA is 99% accurate. An IFA positive cat can be shedding virus and
 infect other cats and kittens.

 Remember to retest 6 weeks after an ELISA positive result, the cat's immune
 system can clear the virus especially in an adult cat (kittens and seniors
 have the most difficulty clearing the virus).


 This is what I have always been told by veterinarians and everyone on this
 FeLV thread. I have not heard any different. This info is true!


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Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests:

2012-02-06 Thread Lynda Wilson

I've never heard of a PSA. Is this new?

L
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA  IFA Tests:



From what I know, there are four:

In-house ELISA
Lab ELISA
Lab IFA
PSA

Is this correct?

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
wrote:

First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the
in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA test. Both types
test for the FeLV protein p27. However, they detect the protein in 
different

forms and detect infection at different stages. 1.) If a cat or kitten is
ELISA positive, but healthy, an IFA test should be performed. Here is 
where

the confusion begins.

If the cat is IFA negative but ELISA positive there are two 
possibilities.
One is a false positive ELISA test and the other is a stage of the 
disease

is present at which the IFA test doesn't detect infection. Therefore the
suspect cat or kitten should be isolated and retested in at least 6 
weeks.
If, at that time the cat is IFA positive, you know that the cat if 
infected.

The IFA is 99% accurate. An IFA positive cat can be shedding virus and
infect other cats and kittens.

Remember to retest 6 weeks after an ELISA positive result, the cat's 
immune
system can clear the virus especially in an adult cat (kittens and 
seniors

have the most difficulty clearing the virus).


This is what I have always been told by veterinarians and everyone on 
this

FeLV thread. I have not heard any different. This info is true!


Lynda



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Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

2012-02-06 Thread Lynda Wilson

Any update?

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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair


I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him 
with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to 
heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just 
lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible 
disease! Marinda !

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Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests:

2012-02-06 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
I'm sorry: PCR.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 I've never heard of a PSA. Is this new?

 L
 - Original Message - From: Kathryn Hargreaves
 khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA  IFA Tests:



 From what I know, there are four:

 In-house ELISA
 Lab ELISA
 Lab IFA
 PSA

 Is this correct?

 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
 wrote:

 First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the
 in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA test. Both types
 test for the FeLV protein p27. However, they detect the protein in
 different
 forms and detect infection at different stages. 1.) If a cat or kitten is
 ELISA positive, but healthy, an IFA test should be performed. Here is
 where
 the confusion begins.

 If the cat is IFA negative but ELISA positive there are two
 possibilities.
 One is a false positive ELISA test and the other is a stage of the
 disease
 is present at which the IFA test doesn't detect infection. Therefore the
 suspect cat or kitten should be isolated and retested in at least 6
 weeks.
 If, at that time the cat is IFA positive, you know that the cat if
 infected.
 The IFA is 99% accurate. An IFA positive cat can be shedding virus and
 infect other cats and kittens.

 Remember to retest 6 weeks after an ELISA positive result, the cat's
 immune
 system can clear the virus especially in an adult cat (kittens and
 seniors
 have the most difficulty clearing the virus).


 This is what I have always been told by veterinarians and everyone on
 this
 FeLV thread. I have not heard any different. This info is true!


 Lynda



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