Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Lee Evans
There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!  Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken.  So they eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.   Spay and Neuter your cats

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Please be careful of the soy. That's how I killed that kitten. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it. Sheesh! Since I'm a

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Marcia Baronda
Lee I'm a vegetarian too! It's nice to meet another(-:. But, yes I know what u mean, no meat leftovers for the kitties! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There's so much corn in

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before that), so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the cats. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.comwrote: Lee I'm a vegetarian too! It's nice to meet another(-:. But, yes

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Beth
They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with lettuce. Beth   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday,

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Beth
I don't use Science Diet myself, but we use SD at the shelter. We tried different higher quality more natural brands, but the cats were having all sorts of problems, so we switched back to SD. I use Blue Buffalo,  for the FeLV FIV kitties Avoderm for my baby with skin issues. Beth   Don't

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Some of my cats adore veggies. Cats can't taste sweet, did you know? No receptors for it. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with lettuce. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread GRAS
Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost weight…because they didn’t want to eat it. Wasted a lot food, a lot of money, and didn’t help the cats. It’s disgusting! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Natalie
Many of our cats also love vegetarian food.but I do cook meat for them often rather than using Science Diet, when I absolutely must. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:47 AM To:

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Marcia
I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:00 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Natalie
And because it’s expensive, people naturally assume that it must be so much better than other food! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re:

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread longhornfans
Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they were kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We had him on W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange white kitty - he was almost 4 ft long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread GRAS
When switching foods, it is very important to do it correctly. When cats have been used to one food, and when suddenly exposed to a new food, their enzymes are not used to it, often causing diarrhea and vomiting. You have to use both old and new food, slowly increasing the proportions of the new

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread KG BarnCats
just look at the science diet ingredients then look up what an obligate carnivore should eat. science diet is a huge scam. over on diabetes groups, it's often called science death for its horribly inappropriate high carb crap ingredients. Check WWW.catinfo.org to see what a cat should eat.

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread longhornfans
Yes, I neglected to mention that it was a very gradule transition so I was perplexed that she got sick every night. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: GRAS g...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:04:04 To:

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread longhornfans
I agree, too many carbs! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:25:18 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to:

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

2012-08-31 Thread Lorrie
On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

2012-08-31 Thread longhornfans
:( my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro vascular dysplasia. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: pandie...@aol.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:46:21 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to:

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Check out Dr. Deva Khalsa, author of The Natural Dog. I don't recommend her for homeopathics, but she is very up on research and does telephone consultations. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:23 PM, longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: :( my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

2012-08-31 Thread Natalie
People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D when I have to syringe the food - and I add vitamins minerals to it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Yes, I use baby food (without onions and garlic, of course). Not the best, but it goes through a syringe! On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Nutro is pretty awful stuff, too. The best canned food out there is Merrick Before Grain, and even that has carageenan in it. You may also have to add some pumpkin/veggies (5%). It's unknown if it's balanced in terms of Phos:Ca, as the company isn't very forthcoming. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

2012-08-31 Thread longhornfans
Will do, thank u!! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:23:23 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
Of what did the big kitty die? I've heard of cats living beyond 30 years, and often wonder if we fed them correctly that they wouldn't routinely live to at least somewhere between 20 and 30 years. Some people think cats just have weak kidneys, but if they did, their species wouldn't have

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

2012-08-31 Thread longhornfans
I'm not one to believe just cuz its expensive it has to be good. I went with my past experience with SD my pets do not have a problem being on it. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: