Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[longhornfans]

I'm not one to believe just cuz its expensive it has to be good. I went with my 
past experience with SD & my pets do not have a problem being on it.
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People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good!
Well, it's the exact opposite.  The only one I ever use is A-D when I have
to syringe the food - and I add vitamins & minerals to it.

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On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
>I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low
>quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't
>know any of this!!

Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not
many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they
buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get a kick back from the
company.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Of what did the big kitty die?   I've heard of cats living beyond 30 years,
and often wonder if we fed them correctly that they wouldn't routinely live
to at least somewhere between 20 and 30 years.   Some people think cats
just have weak kidneys, but if they did, their species wouldn't have lasted
very long, IMHO.

Note that for females at least, ovary retention may very well play a big
part.   Look up the Center for Exceptional Longevity Studies, Gerald P.
Murphy Cancer Foundation and David Waters' work in ovary retention.   Then
good luck finding a vet that will do tubal ligations.Vets are simply
not taught how to do so, even though it's almost easier than a neuter.
 Two sutures on each tube (not the uterine horn), and cut.


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:23 AM,  wrote:

> Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they
> were kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We
> had him on W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange & white kitty - he was
> almost 4 ft long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not
> stretched, just when he laid down). He weighed 30 lbs, and lived to be 15
> 1/2 yrs. My 15 year old dachshund has been on SD since 8 weeks old. She is
> still very active & plays with my cat Kirby every chance she gets. I guess
> some do better on it more than others. I did try to switch her food to
> Nutro when she was about 5. She got sick every night. When I put her back
> on SD, she was fine. Just thought I would share my experience.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[longhornfans]

Will do, thank u!!
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Nutro is pretty awful stuff, too.   The best canned food out there is
Merrick Before Grain, and even that has carageenan in it.  You may also
have to add some pumpkin/veggies (5%).   It's unknown if it's balanced in
terms of Phos:Ca, as the company isn't very forthcoming.


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:57 PM,  wrote:

> Yes, I neglected to mention that it was a very gradule transition so I was
> perplexed that she got sick every night.
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> To: 
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>
> When switching foods, it is very important to do it correctly.  When cats
> have been used to one food, and when suddenly exposed to a new food, their
> enzymes are not used to it, often causing diarrhea and vomiting. You have
> to
> use both old and new food, slowly increasing the proportions of the new
> food.
>
>
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> longhornf...@verizon.net
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>
> Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they
> were kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We
> had
> him on W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange & white kitty - he was
> almost 4 ft long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not
> stretched, just when he laid down). He weighed 30 lbs, and lived to be 15
> 1/2 yrs. My 15 year old dachshund has been on SD since 8 weeks old. She is
> still very active & plays with my cat Kirby every chance she gets. I guess
> some do better on it more than others. I did try to switch her food to
> Nutro
> when she was about 5. She got sick every night. When I put her back on SD,
> she was fine. Just thought I would share my experience.
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> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:08:30
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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Yes, I use baby food (without onions and garlic, of course).   Not the
best, but it goes through a syringe!


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good!
> Well, it's the exact opposite.  The only one I ever use is A-D when I have
> to syringe the food - and I add vitamins & minerals to it.
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
>
> On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
> >I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low
> >quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't
> >know any of this!!
>
> Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not
> many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they
> buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get a kick back from the
> company.
>
> Lorrie
>
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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[Natalie]

People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good!
Well, it's the exact opposite.  The only one I ever use is A-D when I have
to syringe the food - and I add vitamins & minerals to it.

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On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
>I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low
>quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't
>know any of this!!

Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not
many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they
buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get a kick back from the
company.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Check out Dr. Deva Khalsa, author of The Natural Dog.   I don't recommend
her for homeopathics, but she is very up on research and does telephone
consultations.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:23 PM,  wrote:

> :(  my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro vascular
> dysplasia.
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to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
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http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[longhornfans]

:(  my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro vascular 
dysplasia.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[pandieann]

i guess then royal canin's uninary dry S/O is awful as well



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If you read the labels, so much of the high priced dry is really crap food 
loaded with corn and byproducts.  It's appalling what is out there on pet store 
shelves.





From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet


On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
>I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low
>quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't
>know any of this!!

Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push
it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food
it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get
a kick back from the company.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

[Susan Hoffman]

If you read the labels, so much of the high priced dry is really crap food 
loaded with corn and byproducts.  It's appalling what is out there on pet store 
shelves.




From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
>    I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low
>    quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't
>    know any of this!!

Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push
it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food
it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get
a kick back from the company.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

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On 08-31, Marcia wrote:
>I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low
>quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't
>know any of this!!

Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push
it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food
it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it.  I'm sure vets get
a kick back from the company.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[longhornfans]

I agree, too many carbs!
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[longhornfans]

Yes, I neglected to mention that it was a very gradule transition so I was 
perplexed that she got sick every night.
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When switching foods, it is very important to do it correctly.  When cats
have been used to one food, and when suddenly exposed to a new food, their
enzymes are not used to it, often causing diarrhea and vomiting. You have to
use both old and new food, slowly increasing the proportions of the new
food.


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Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they
were kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We had
him on W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange & white kitty - he was
almost 4 ft long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not
stretched, just when he laid down). He weighed 30 lbs, and lived to be 15
1/2 yrs. My 15 year old dachshund has been on SD since 8 weeks old. She is
still very active & plays with my cat Kirby every chance she gets. I guess
some do better on it more than others. I did try to switch her food to Nutro
when she was about 5. She got sick every night. When I put her back on SD,
she was fine. Just thought I would share my experience.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[KG BarnCats]

just look at the science diet ingredients then look up what an obligate
carnivore should eat.  science diet is a huge scam.  over on diabetes
groups, it's often called science death for its horribly inappropriate high
carb crap ingredients.
Check WWW.catinfo.org to see what a cat should eat.  hint:  not dehydrating
dry food, especially for males or any cat with urinary tract problems.


On Friday, August 31, 2012, GRAS  wrote:
> Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost
weight…because they didn’t want to eat it.  Wasted a lot food, a lot of
money, and didn’t help the cats.  It’s disgusting!
>
>
>
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>
>
>
> I absolutely detest Science Diet.
>
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
2010.
>
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:
>
> I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more
often with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not
only do the cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and
round.  Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around
the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes
through the minds of cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad
attitude.
>
>
>
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
>
> Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.
>
>
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
>> Hello All,
>
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has
had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy
despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently
(Sunday night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and
130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
couple of cans of wet.
>
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
at the dry food and turned away.
>
>
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
intake!
>
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
> Emma Beauchamp
>
>
>
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When switching foods, it is very important to do it correctly.  When cats
have been used to one food, and when suddenly exposed to a new food, their
enzymes are not used to it, often causing diarrhea and vomiting. You have to
use both old and new food, slowly increasing the proportions of the new
food.


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Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they
were kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We had
him on W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange & white kitty - he was
almost 4 ft long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not
stretched, just when he laid down). He weighed 30 lbs, and lived to be 15
1/2 yrs. My 15 year old dachshund has been on SD since 8 weeks old. She is
still very active & plays with my cat Kirby every chance she gets. I guess
some do better on it more than others. I did try to switch her food to Nutro
when she was about 5. She got sick every night. When I put her back on SD,
she was fine. Just thought I would share my experience.
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[longhornfans]

Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they were 
kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We had him on 
W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange & white kitty - he was almost 4 ft 
long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not stretched, just when 
he laid down). He weighed 30 lbs, and lived to be 15 1/2 yrs. My 15 year old 
dachshund has been on SD since 8 weeks old. She is still very active & plays 
with my cat Kirby every chance she gets. I guess some do better on it more than 
others. I did try to switch her food to Nutro when she was about 5. She got 
sick every night. When I put her back on SD, she was fine. Just thought I would 
share my experience.
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[Natalie]

And because it’s expensive, people naturally assume that it must be so much 
better than other food!

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 

I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality 
food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of 
this!!

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:00 PM, GRAS  wrote:

Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost weight…because 
they didn’t want to eat it.  Wasted a lot food, a lot of money, and didn’t help 
the cats.  It’s disgusting!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 

I absolutely detest Science Diet.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 


On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do the 
cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  Only 
problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. 
Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through the minds of 
cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 


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From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition


Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


 Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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[Marcia]

I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality 
food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of 
this!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:00 PM, GRAS  wrote:

> Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost 
> weight…because they didn’t want to eat it.  Wasted a lot food, a lot of 
> money, and didn’t help the cats.  It’s disgusting!
>  
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
>  
> I absolutely detest Science Diet.
> 
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 
> 2010. 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:
> 
> I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
> with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do 
> the cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  
> Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the 
> fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through 
> the minds of cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.
> 
>  
>  
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 
>  
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> 
> Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.
> 
> 
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> > Hello All,
> 
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite 
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday 
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars 
> later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in 
> her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
> Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
> wet.  
> 
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet 
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at 
> the dry food and turned away.  
> 
> 
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry 
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water 
> intake!
> 
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
> kind of food/diet did you switch to? 
> 
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
> her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
> switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 
> 
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 
> 
> Emma Beauchamp
> 
> 
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[Natalie]

Many of our cats also love vegetarian food.but I do cook meat for them often
rather than using Science Diet, when I absolutely must.

 

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 

There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself
recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!  Since I'm
a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken.  So they
eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 

Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies
very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but
unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can
give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who
died).   

 

Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.

 

I've already said what I think about dry food.

 

 

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:

My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned
food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve
corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed
Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We hate
chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the
problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck.
Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves them.
It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, but
need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is stainless
steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without
hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the fountains,
the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more water.  You
might try them.



 Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
> Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
couple of cans of wet. 

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at
the dry food and turned away. 


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what
kind of food/diet did you switch to?

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight
so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!

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life.  Contact your local pound for information. 

 

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to
free up cage space.

 


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
 

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
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[GRAS]

Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost weight…because 
they didn’t want to eat it.  Wasted a lot food, a lot of money, and didn’t help 
the cats.  It’s disgusting!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 

I absolutely detest Science Diet.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 


On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:

I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do the 
cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  Only 
problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. 
Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through the minds of 
cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 


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From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition


Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


 Emma Beauchamp  wrote: 
> Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

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[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Some of my cats adore veggies.   Cats can't taste sweet, did you know?  No
receptors for it.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth  wrote:

> They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed
> with lettuce.
>
> Beth
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Lee Evans 
> *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
>
> There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for
> myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!
> Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and
> chicken.  So they eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
>
> Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies
> very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but
> unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can
> give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who
> died).
>
> Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.
>
> I've already said what I think about dry food.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:
>
> My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD
> canned food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they
> ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now
> feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.
>  We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be
> part of the problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too
> much luck.  Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone
> loves them.  It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are
> okay, but need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is
> stainless steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors
> without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the
> fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more
> water.  You might try them.
>
>
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
> > Hello All,
>
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> couple of cans of wet.
>
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> at the dry food and turned away.
>
>
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> intake!
>
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
> Emma Beauchamp
>
>
>
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>
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> 
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>
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save
> their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
>
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> to free up cage space.
>
>
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> implementing the No Kill Equation:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
>
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
> http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
>
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
>
> More fun readin

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Beth]

I don't use Science Diet myself, but we use SD at the shelter. We tried 
different "higher quality" more "natural" brands, but the cats were having all 
sorts of problems, so we switched back to SD.
I use Blue Buffalo,  for the FeLV & FIV kitties & Avoderm for my baby with skin 
issues.

Beth

 
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 From: Marcia Baronda 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

I absolutely detest Science Diet.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:


I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do the 
cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  Only 
problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. 
Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through the minds of 
cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.
>
>
>
>
> 
>Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
>neighbors too!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Beth]

They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with 
lettuce.

Beth

 
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 From: Lee Evans 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself 
recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!  Since I'm a 
vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken.  So they eat 
my corn and tofu.  Weird world.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
 

Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very 
well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the 
corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats 
Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who died).   

Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.

I've already said what I think about dry food.



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:

My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned 
food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, 
wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed Blue 
buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We hate chicken 
and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem.  I 
have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck.  Right now, Homey is 
okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves them.  It recirculates the 
water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out 
more often.  I got one on line that is stainless steel.  Much better, lower 
profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to 
be cleaned as often.  With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes 
noise and they do drink more water.  You might try them.
>
>
>
> Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
>> Hello All,
>
>My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
>FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the 
>FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) 
>she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later 
>she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her 
>bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
>Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
>wet. 
>
>My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
>yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the 
>dry food and turned away. 
>
>
>After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
>in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!
>
>I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
>kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
>Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
>selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
>her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
>switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
>So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
>Emma Beauchamp
>
>
>
>
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If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before that),
so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the cats.


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote:

> Lee
> I'm a vegetarian too! It's nice to meet another(-:. But, yes I know what u
> mean, no meat leftovers for the kitties!
>
>
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
> 2010.
>
> On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Lee Evans  wrote:
>
> There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for
> myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!
> Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and
> chicken.  So they eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.
>
>
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
>
> Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies
> very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but
> unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can
> give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who
> died).
>
> Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.
>
> I've already said what I think about dry food.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:
>
> My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD
> canned food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they
> ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now
> feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.
>  We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be
> part of the problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too
> much luck.  Right now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone
> loves them.  It recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are
> okay, but need to be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is
> stainless steel.  Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors
> without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the
> fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more
> water.  You might try them.
>
>
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
> > Hello All,
>
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130
> dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
> present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
> Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
> couple of cans of wet.
>
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
> at the dry food and turned away.
>
>
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
> intake!
>
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
> what kind of food/diet did you switch to?
>
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
> feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
> tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
>
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
>
> Emma Beauchamp
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> --
> 
> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
>
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save
> their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
>
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
> to free up cage space.
>
>
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
> implementing the No Kill Equation:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
>
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
> http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
>
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
>
> More fun reading:
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

[Marcia Baronda]

Lee
I'm a vegetarian too! It's nice to meet another(-:. But, yes I know what u 
mean, no meat leftovers for the kitties!

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Lee Evans  wrote:

> There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself 
> recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it.  Sheesh!  Since I'm 
> a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken.  So they 
> eat my corn and tofu.  Weird world.
> 
>  
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> 
> 
> From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
> 
> Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies 
> very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but 
> unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can 
> give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who 
> died).   
> 
> Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk.
> 
> I've already said what I think about dry food.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM,  wrote:
> My Homey has had several bouts of crystals.  She liked the Hill's SD canned 
> food, but not the dry.  I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, 
> wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients.  I now feed Blue 
> buffalo dry DUCK.  We love that and also the duck canned food.  We hate 
> chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the 
> problem.  I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck.  Right 
> now, Homey is okay.  I got water fountains and everyone loves them.  It 
> recirculates the water thre a filter.  The plastic ones are okay, but need to 
> be cleaned out more often.  I got one on line that is stainless steel.  Much 
> better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it 
> does not need to be cleaned as often.  With the fountains, the water is 
> always moving, makes noise and they do drink more water.  You might try them.
> 
> 
>  Emma Beauchamp  wrote:
> > Hello All,
> 
> My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had 
> FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite 
> the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday 
> night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars 
> later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in 
> her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science 
> Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of 
> wet. 
> 
> My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet 
> food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at 
> the dry food and turned away. 
> 
> 
> After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry 
> food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water 
> intake!
> 
> I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
> kind of food/diet did you switch to?
> 
> Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
> selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
> her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
> switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!
> 
> So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!
> 
> Emma Beauchamp
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
> 
> If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their 
> life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
> 
> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
> free up cage space.
> 
> 
> Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
> implementing the No Kill Equation: 
> http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/
> 
> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
> http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
> 
> Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
> 
> More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
> 
> More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially 
> http://vimeo.com/48445902
> 
> 
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