[Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the ones available within the copy, too! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suf fered-enough.html?src=me http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-su ffered-enough.html?src=meref=general ref=general ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the ones available within the copy, too! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough.html?src=meref=general ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
Absolutely - that's what they can choose to do in the Netherlands..so much better! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) _ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the ones available within the copy, too! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suf fered-enough.html?src=me http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-su ffered-enough.html?src=meref=general ref=general ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them put to sleep because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed. Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the owner. Animals are considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are too many around or they are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
There's a thin line between keeping someone alive on all kinds of tubes and heroic measuresone has to really specify, and even then, they won't just give you something.! My mother was at the hospital at the hospice area, after a stroke, with no hope - and she had a living will. She was kept on fluids and morphine, unitl she died. It would have been so much better to have had euthanasia! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There's a thin line between keeping someone alive on all kinds of tubes and heroic measuresone has to really specify, and even then, they won't just give you something.! My mother was at the hospital at the hospice area, after a stroke, with no hope - and she had a living will. She was kept on fluids and morphine, unitl she died. It would have been so much better to have had euthanasia! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wow Lee! I love u!!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them put to sleep because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed. Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the owner. Animals are considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are too many around or they are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
People always bring perfectly healthy pets to my vet to put to sleep(he refuses), that, however is NOT euthanasia - many vets do it, many refuse. However, many people are so hung up on having their pets killed, that they won't allow anyone to take them, and insist that the vet kill them. People suck, that's all there is to it. My vet hates euthanasia, something must have happened to him, by law, he has to insert it, but his vet tech actually does it, while he runs out of the room, white as a sheet. I once had to euthanize our very old and sick dog and a cat with cancer, about to die. He just couldn't take two at one time..I was doing better than he was. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them put to sleep because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed. Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the owner. Animals are considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are too many around or they are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
Yes people suck.a very good friend of mine (who I had in a pedestal) just put her 8 year old perfectly healthy border collie put to sleep. I went to her house to see what happened and she told me that they just didn't want anyone to have to take care of her while they went here and there. I was shocked and It left me with a really bad taste in my mouth. Honestly, I can't stop thinking about it. What is WRONG with people??? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: People always bring perfectly healthy pets to my vet to “put to sleep”(he refuses), that, however is NOT euthanasia – many vets do it, many refuse. However, many people are so hung up on having their pets killed, that they won’t allow anyone to take them, and insist that the vet kill them. People suck, that’s all there is to it. My vet hates euthanasia, something must have happened to him, by law, he has to insert it, but his vet tech actually does it, while he runs out of the room, white as a sheet. I once had to euthanize our very old and sick dog and a cat with cancer, about to die. He just couldn’t take two at one time….I was doing better than he was. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them put to sleep because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed. Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the owner. Animals are considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are too many around or they are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep
