People always bring perfectly healthy pets to my vet to "put to sleep"(he
refuses), that, however is NOT euthanasia - many vets do it, many refuse.
However, many people are so hung up on having their pets killed, that they
won't allow anyone to take them, and insist that the vet kill them.  People
suck, that's all there is to it. My vet hates euthanasia, something must
have happened to him, by law, he has to insert it, but his vet tech actually
does it, while he runs out of the room, white as a sheet.  I once had to
euthanize our very old and sick dog and a cat with cancer, about to die.  He
just couldn't take two at one time..I was doing better than he was.  Natalie



[] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough


The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for
their own convenience.  I have seen this happen several times and it's
really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal.  We do this
every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want
them any more.  They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new
sofa.  I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting
next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having
him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to
call him in at night.  Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely
Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them "put to sleep"
because she and her husband were going on a world tour.  And a third woman
was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year
old Persian mix.  Well, not exactly off.  I adopted the white cat.  I still
have him.  He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him
as a teen.  He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors.  The
world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs
adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her
cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic.  But these
success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician
and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed.  

Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner".  Animals are
considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a
caregiver and the right to their own lives.  We choose not to see the
suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want
to feel the pain of the loss.  We choose not to see how unethical it is to
kill millions of cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they
are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and
may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to
murder non-human animals.

Everyone will eventually die.  It's a bad plan but we had no say in it.
However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of
this or that is not ethical.  The idea that a human is so precious that we
keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical.  I
don't have any answers so I try to use logic.  I don't euthanize for
convenience.  I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats
and my FIV+ cats.  I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit
of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause
me and allow them to pass on.  I don't tell myself fairy tales about where
they go.  I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer
in pain or distress.



Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!



From: MaiMaiPG <>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs are
great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A DNR can
help keep measures from being started.
On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:

> Absolutely Edna..... It is positively cruel to keep people alive
> when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The
> only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
> and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was
> my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think
> of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a
> Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but
> sometimes they keep you alive anyway.
> Lorrie
> alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
>>  personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
>>  suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
>>  bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?
>>  to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
>>  accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and
>>  get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
>>  bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)
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