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On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Lee Evans <> wrote:

> The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for 
> their own convenience.  I have seen this happen several times and it's really 
> terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal.  We do this every day to 
> eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. 
>  They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa.  I have a 
> cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had 
> a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized 
> because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at 
> night.  Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, 
> obviously still full of life to have them "put to sleep" because she and her 
> husband were going on a world tour.  And a third woman was getting married 
> and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix.  
> Well, not exactly off.  I adopted the white cat.  I still have him.  He 
> tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen.  He's 
> in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors.  The world tour people 
> left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the 
> idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one 
> of the secretaries at the vet clinic.  But these success stories happened 
> because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death 
> was unfair to the cats and they agreed.  
> Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner".  Animals are 
> considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a 
> caregiver and the right to their own lives.  We choose not to see the 
> suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to 
> feel the pain of the loss.  We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill 
> millions of cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they are 
> positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may 
> never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder 
> non-human animals.
> Everyone will eventually die.  It's a bad plan but we had no say in it.  
> However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this 
> or that is not ethical.  The idea that a human is so precious that we keep 
> him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical.  I don't 
> have any answers so I try to use logic.  I don't euthanize for convenience.  
> I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. 
>  I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to 
> them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to 
> pass on.  I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go.  I miss them 
> and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress.
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
> neighbors too!
> From: MaiMaiPG <>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
> With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs are 
> great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A DNR can help 
> keep measures from being started.
> On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:
> > Absolutely Edna..... It is positively cruel to keep people alive
> > when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The
> > only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash.
> > and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV.  Dr. Kevorkian was
> > my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think
> > of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a
> > Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but
> > sometimes they keep you alive anyway.
> > 
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote:
> >>  personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their
> >>  suffering.  What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in
> >>  bed in a vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?
> >>  to what end?  If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or
> >>  accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and
> >>  get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a
> >>  bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)
> > 
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