Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
My mother died at home. She was over 90 years old, had fallen and broken her hip three years prior, would not go to the hospital to have it operated on because she was a nurse and hated hospitals. I took care of her for the three years that she survived. I had some help, which was very expensive but couldn't do it all by myself. I allowed Mom to feel that she was in control because she was quite a control freak all her life. She passed away in her sleep in the afternoon after eating a small portion of ice cream and saying thank you for everything to the caregiver. I was working online when the caregiver came into my home office and told me that she thought my mom had passed away. I don't know if Mom was in pain. She wouldn't allow pain killers and wouldn't admit to feeling any discomfort. She had some sort of intestinal blockage which the doctor who visited twice a month said was probably a malignant tumor but Mom was stubborn and wouldn't admit to having any pain from it. She had been a child actress and I think she acted all her life, whenever she didn't want to face reality or do something that was against her need for control. She was a talented woman who did the practical thing and went to college, became a registered nurse and worked in a medical office all her life. Dad was a doctor. He passed away from Alzheimer's Disease 16 years before my mother. He also passed at home, quietly after his usual dose of sleeping medication that he had been prescribed. My Uncle, my Aunt, my Grandmother all passed away at home. The younger generation promised the older ones that no one would be put in a nursing home and no one was. But it was very hard on us all because we were spread in two different areas of the country and we had to rely on hired help. I don't know about Dad's side of the family except that one brother committed suicide because of depression. Most of the other members of the family never communicated with us because Dad married outside of his religion and everyone there had the old fanatic idea about religion and marriage. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: "dlg...@windstream.net" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia COULD GET EATEN BY A MOUNTAIN LION IN THE MOUNTAINS. HE MIGHT MISTAKE YOU FOR PREY. MY LION JUST VISITS EVERY SO OFTEN. HE IS ON A DEER TRAIL AND WE TALK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN HE SAUNTERS ACROSS THE ROAD. HE/SHE IS SO CLOSE THAT TO RUN WOULD BE FATAL. STANDING STILL AND TALKING IS BETTER. Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Well, actually, that can lead to a stroke, which can be slow and gruesome ... > Me, I've taken up mountain biking... Hope they find me collapsed on a > hillside with a view! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > > > I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death > > process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! > > > > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas > > 2010. > > > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, wrote: > > > >> Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty > >> and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done > >> when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but > >> had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, > >> but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he > >> went that way. > >> > >> > >> Lorrie wrote: > >>> Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. > >>> I want to croak at home in my own bed. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: > My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), > passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In > his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the > hospital. > > He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) "I am sick of this > fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch." > > So that's what he did. > > Terri > > - Original Message - > > From: [1]Lorrie > > To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia > > I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only > got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually > very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to > a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive > and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked > in hospita
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
COULD GET EATEN BY A MOUNTAIN LION IN THE MOUNTAINS. HE MIGHT MISTAKE YOU FOR PREY. MY LION JUST VISITS EVERY SO OFTEN. HE IS ON A DEER TRAIL AND WE TALK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN HE SAUNTERS ACROSS THE ROAD. HE/SHE IS SO CLOSE THAT TO RUN WOULD BE FATAL. STANDING STILL AND TALKING IS BETTER. Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Well, actually, that can lead to a stroke, which can be slow and gruesome ... > Me, I've taken up mountain biking... Hope they find me collapsed on a > hillside with a view! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > > > I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death > > process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! > > > > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas > > 2010. > > > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, wrote: > > > >> Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty > >> and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done > >> when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but > >> had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, > >> but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he > >> went that way. > >> > >> > >> Lorrie wrote: > >>> Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. > >>> I want to croak at home in my own bed. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: > My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), > passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In > his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the > hospital. > > He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) "I am sick of this > fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch." > > So that's what he did. > > Terri > > - Original Message - > > From: [1]Lorrie > > To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia > > I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only > got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually > very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to > a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive > and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked > in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, > because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. > This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! > On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: > > My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi > a.org > > References > > 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com > 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > 4. > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >>> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Felvtalk mailing list > >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
Well, actually, that can lead to a stroke, which can be slow and gruesome ... Me, I've taken up mountain biking... Hope they find me collapsed on a hillside with a view! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, > I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! > > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas > 2010. > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, wrote: > >> Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty >> and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done >> when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but >> had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but >> he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went >> that way. >> >> >> Lorrie wrote: >>> Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. >>> I want to croak at home in my own bed. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) "I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch." So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: > My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, wrote: > Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty > and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when > I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to > let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was > gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. > > > Lorrie wrote: >> Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. >> I want to croak at home in my own bed. >> >> >> >> On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: >>> My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), >>> passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In >>> his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the >>> hospital. >>> >>> He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) "I am sick of this >>> fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch." >>> >>> So that's what he did. >>> >>> Terri >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> >>> From: [1]Lorrie >>> >>> To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia >>> >>> I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only >>> got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually >>> very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to >>> a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive >>> and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked >>> in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, >>> because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. >>> This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! >>> On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi >>> a.org >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com >>> 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animals PTS for the wrong reason
Some people are very desperate to get married for one reason or another. Just hope she doesn't have a kid with Down's Syndrome or something like that. Husband will probably want to get rid of the kid. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: "dlg...@windstream.net" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Animals PTS for the wrong reason Why would someone marry a "cat hater". The relationship would not have gotten that far if it were me. Lorrie wrote: > I couldn't have said it better Lee, you are an excellent writer and > you express yourself beautifully. > > Lorrie > > > On 09-25, Lee Evans wrote: > > The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it > > for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and > > it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do > > this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we > > don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might > > scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when > > the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a > > carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside > > cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman > > brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still > > full of life to have them "put to sleep" because she and her husband > > were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and > > her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. > > Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He > > tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a > > teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The > > world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the > > techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never > > knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet > > clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and > > convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the > > cats and they agreed. > > Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner". Animals > > are considered property rather than individuals with the right to > > having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to > > see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we > > don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how > > unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are > > "too many" around or they are positive for some disease that they do > > not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or > > any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. > > Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in > > it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might > > die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so > > precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally > > illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use > > logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my > > rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if > > their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to > > me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass > > on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them > > and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or > > distress. > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > > neighbors too! > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animals PTS for the wrong reason
Why would someone marry a "cat hater". The relationship would not have gotten that far if it were me. Lorrie wrote: > I couldn't have said it better Lee, you are an excellent writer and > you express yourself beautifully. > > Lorrie > > > On 09-25, Lee Evans wrote: > >The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it > >for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and > >it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do > >this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we > >don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might > >scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when > >the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a > >carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside > >cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman > >brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still > >full of life to have them "put to sleep" because she and her husband > >were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and > >her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. > >Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He > >tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a > >teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The > >world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the > >techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never > >knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet > >clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and > >convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the > >cats and they agreed. > >Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner". Animals > >are considered property rather than individuals with the right to > >having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to > >see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we > >don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how > >unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are > >"too many" around or they are positive for some disease that they do > >not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or > >any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. > >Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in > >it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might > >die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so > >precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally > >illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use > >logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my > >rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if > >their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to > >me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass > >on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them > >and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or > >distress. > > > >Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > >neighbors too! > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I have no family to care for me, but do have very close friends. I have left instructions with them about my care at the end and what to do for my cats. Will have to re write to include DNR and give fluids. I have picked out a place for my cats and provided in my will for their care and transportation. Lorrie wrote: > > On 09-25, Marcia wrote: > > > My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died > > at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with > > nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried > > one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required > > quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when > > Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and > > that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and > > in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. > > > That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given > fluids by mouth and morphine? > > As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also > get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie wrote: > Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. > I want to croak at home in my own bed. > > > > On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: > >My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), > >passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In > >his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the > >hospital. > > > >He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) "I am sick of this > >fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch." > > > >So that's what he did. > > > >Terri > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: [1]Lorrie > > > >To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia > > > > I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only > > got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually > > very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to > > a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive > > and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked > > in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, > > because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. > > This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! > > On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: > > > My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi > > a.org > > > > References > > > >1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com > >2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
THAT is why I don't go to hospitals unless I fall and hit my head on a concrete step. I figured that might require their help. But I did check for broken bones and then got the cats in fed them, cleaned their boxes and then drove myself to the ER. First place, they charge a minimum of $1600.00 and don't do that much for you. GRAS wrote: > When I moved my mother to a better hospital, where they had the hospice, > they quickly wheeled her out for another MRI before the move - there was no > need for it - just make some more money! Natalie > > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:02 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia > > That probably had a lot to do with it! > > On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote: > >They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance > >company as they can :( > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
I've watched the show a few times, and most of those cat owners are real idiots! It makes me so mad, that I can't watch. But, yes, the guy knows what he's doing! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough These people worried about the cats scratching furniture, soiling carpets, etc. should watch "My Cat From Hell". After seeing a couple of shows, i came to the same conclusion, the cat isn't the problem, the PEOPLE are. This guy really knows cats. He has all 7 of mine pegged to the smallest detail. Followed his advise and it works, especialy the Clicker. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
These people worried about the cats scratching furniture, soiling carpets, etc. should watch "My Cat From Hell". After seeing a couple of shows, i came to the same conclusion, the cat isn't the problem, the PEOPLE are. This guy really knows cats. He has all 7 of mine pegged to the smallest detail. Followed his advise and it works, especialy the Clicker. Marcia wrote: > Wow Lee! I love u!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for > > their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's > > really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this > > every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want > > them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new > > sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was > > sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she > > was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much > > trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older > > cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them > > "put to sleep" because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And > > a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off > > went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the > > white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not > > bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly > > happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet > > clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a > > cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at > > the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and > > convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the > > cats and they agreed. > > > > Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner". Animals are > > considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a > > caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the > > suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want > > to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to > > kill millions of cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they > > are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and > > may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to > > murder non-human animals. > > > > Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. > > However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of > > this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we > > keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. > > I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for > > convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats > > and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit > > of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause > > me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where > > they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no > > longer in pain or distress. > > > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > > neighbors too! > > > > > > From: MaiMaiPG > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough > > > > With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are > > great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can > > help keep measures from being started. > > On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: > > > > > Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive > > > when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The > > > only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. > > > and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was > > > my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think > > > of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a > > > Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but > > > sometimes they keep you alive anyway. > > > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: > > >> personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their > > >> suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in > > >> bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? > > >> to what end? If it were me, and I had so
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always did say i liked animals better than people. At least they are honest and you know what to expect from them. My vet doesn't get that upset about "putting to sleep" but he will insist on trying to find a loving home for them. That is how I got Annie and Bobby. He knows I am a sucker. Marcia wrote: > Yes people suck.a very good friend of mine (who I had in a pedestal) just put > her 8 year old perfectly healthy border collie put to sleep. I went to her > house to see what happened and she told me that they just didn't want anyone > to have to take care of her while they went here and there. I was shocked and > It left me with a really bad taste in my mouth. Honestly, I can't stop > thinking about it. What is WRONG with people??? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Natalie wrote: > > > People always bring perfectly healthy pets to my vet to “put to sleep”(he > > refuses), that, however is NOT euthanasia – many vets do it, many refuse. > > However, many people are so hung up on having their pets killed, that they > > won’t allow anyone to take them, and insist that the vet kill them. People > > suck, that’s all there is to it. My vet hates euthanasia, something must > > have happened to him, by law, he has to insert it, but his vet tech > > actually does it, while he runs out of the room, white as a sheet. I once > > had to euthanize our very old and sick dog and a cat with cancer, about to > > die. He just couldn’t take two at one time….I was doing better than he > > was. Natalie > > > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough > > > > The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for > > their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's > > really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this > > every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want > > them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new > > sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was > > sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she > > was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much > > trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older > > cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them > > "put to sleep" because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And > > a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off > > went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the > > white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not > > bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly > > happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet > > clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a > > cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at > > the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and > > convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the > > cats and they agreed. > > > > Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the "owner". Animals are > > considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a > > caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the > > suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want > > to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to > > kill millions of cats and dogs because there are "too many" around or they > > are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and > > may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to > > murder non-human animals. > > > > Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. > > However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of > > this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we > > keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. > > I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for > > convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats > > and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit > > of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause > > me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where > > they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no > > longer in pain or distress. > > > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and y
