Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you Margo! Yes, I will get her the one year now and then find someone
who carries the 3 year. My vet actually trades vaccines with his wife at
another clinic which is how he is getting me the one year. He said they
don’t have a three year or his wife would have it. I told him he better
check again because if her clients are requesting the one year I am
absolutely sure they would want to know there is a three year available.
And it equals out in cost if you are getting the Purevax yearly or every
three years with less injections.  I just can’t imagine a vet thinking they
couldn’t sell a safer vaccine because of cost, if parents knew they had
options I think many would choose the Purevax just like happened with your
vet.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Margo
*Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 12:42 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo




Hi Rachel,

Many (probably most) Vets are very leery of stocking the
three year PureVax. They don't think people will pay the price which is,
indeed, three times the price of the one year. My Vet does carry it, I use
the three year where allowed.

Initially they had it on a trial basis, but to their
surprise, their clients were willing to pay. It is a financial hit, at
about $65 for just rabies, and I'm in a not so wealthy area, but I guess
some clients think it's worth it. They now carry both, as the first booster
has to be with the one year or at least is only considered valid for one
year.

You might find that another clinic in your area carries it,
and sometimes Vets will work together. Worth a phone call :)

HTH,

Margo

-Original Message-----
From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Jul 7, 2016 11:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo


Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with
FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves
cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits
for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be.



I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax
rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and
I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their
three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have
searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I
e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet.
Margo do you give the Purevax yearly?



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*swacht1...@comcast.net
*Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages



Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year –
updated regularly – now what





Sandy
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guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

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Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And melons

[Rachel Dagner]

No, I will have to try it! I also heard if they love melons they might like
tomatoes too! She goes crazy for the cantaloupe that is for sure.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Marsha
*Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 12:17 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And melons



Rachel,

Have you offered watermelon to Josie?  I had a cat that craved cantaloupe
so much he would pull a rind out of the garbage if I didn't give him some.
Then I found that he loved ALL melons, including watermelon.  I think
cantaloupe was his favorite, though.

Marsha

On 7/7/2016 10:54 AM, Rachel Dagner wrote:

Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with
FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves
cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits
for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be.
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Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo

[Rachel Dagner]

Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with
FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves
cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits
for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be.



I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax
rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and
I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their
three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have
searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I
e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet.
Margo do you give the Purevax yearly?



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*swacht1...@comcast.net
*Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages



Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year –
updated regularly – now what





Sandy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Our cats

[Rachel Dagner]

Just saw this article and decided to share since we have been talking about it 
lately. 

http://consciouscat.net/2016/06/17/will-care-cats-cant-get-home-emergency/

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> On Jun 16, 2016, at 10:03 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> But that sinking feeling you get before you find him.
> 
> 
>  Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
>> We actually roamed the woods around our house until after 1 a.m. with
>> flashlights looking for Tigger when the door got left open once. We were
>> frantic and it was cold and snow on the ground etc. I had been all over the
>> house looking for him in case he had not gotten out but with the door
>> standing almost wide open I was sure he was outside. Finally about 3 a.m. on
>> about my fifth trip to the basement, I spotted him up on a shelf just lying
>> there quietly watching me and not reacting at all to my calls. Little turd!!
>> But I was very happy to have him safe!
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> dlg...@windstream.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:37 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Our cats
>> 
>> Has anyone else had a day when you swore you were going to kill oe of them?
>> The last couple of weeks, Annie my 6lb, positive baby has developed an urge
>> to attack and kill all coons that come on our deck.  She normally will not
>> go outside because things, sonds frighten her, but lately she tries to get
>> out every time I open the door.  She got out this am and refused to come
>> when called.  She was out for at least 1 hour.  I called and called, came in
>> and called, maybe she came in on her own, went to the garage and got on my
>> hands and knees to make sure she was not under my van.  Finally came in and
>> said a prayer for her safety because I could not roam the woods looking for
>> her (recently broke an arm).  Came into my parents room to do some work,
>> just happened to glance at the flower shelves and there she was .  I called
>> her and she never answered!  Of course I did not kill her, I was too
>> glad to find her safe and sound!
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] What happens to our cats when we are gone

[Rachel Dagner]

Well hopefully you will be around for a long time to come, I think you
said you are not adding anymore to your to home brood, which is good
because it will be less to handle for family when you someday, way, way in
the future "check out". It sounds like your sanctuary will be the best
place for them, if there are a few that can't adjust maybe a family member
can either help those or find them a good home. Are you going to leave the
sanctuary to the woman who lives there or your kids? You could maybe even
leave the sanctuary to an established WV rescue, that way they could keep
your legacy of saving lives going even after you are gone. If you are
feeling tired and it is too much for you, you could start transferring
some of the ones from home you think would do ok at the sanctuary, instead
of adding any new outside ones when one is adopted or passes away. After
all it's not like they are gone, they are just living in a different house
and you can visit them whenever you want, while not overwhelming yourself
with too much work at home.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What happens to our cats when we are gone

I remember that conversation about what would become of our cats when we
check out. At 83 I'm in good health, but time is against me.  I have 13
cats at home and three kids and three grown grandkids, but they all have a
bunch of animals of their own.  The wonderful lady who lives in my cat
sanctuary said she'd take them, but there are 25 cats there and it would
be a real burden for her, and some of my cats would freak out with that
many new cats, even tho there is a lot of space for them there.

I searched for other sanctuaries, but they are really expensive for as
many cats as we have.  Rustic Hollow was mentioned and sounds good, but
it's in Iowa or someplace far from us in WV.

Lorrie


>  I am actually thinking that next time around I will adopt a more
> senior cat. My age is getting to be more "senior" in nature,  and I
> worry that if my pets outlive me, what will happen to them?
>  Both of my kids say they would take them, but my daughter is more  of
> a dog person, and her hubby is very allergic to cats. And my  son
> loves cats, but is gone all the time traveling. I just  don't think
> either would be an ideal situation.
>
>  Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

[Rachel Dagner]

I hate felv with all of my heart and soul. I wish it was it was something we 
could all stomp on and strangle and beat the living daylights out of. I did 
laundry tonight and washed the towel from Tucks carrier and vacuumed the porch 
rug that had one of his claw sheds on it. I still miss him so much. I love 
Josie but it's still hard to get over how unfair it is to lose our babies to 
some stupid little micro organism virus that needs to be wiped from the face of 
the earth. I pray everyday that someone finds a way to kill this virus so no 
animal or human ever has to suffer from it again. I long for the day when our 
little group is defunct because it is no longer needed. Sorry for throwing this 
rant in, emotional day at the Dagner household, I just want so badly for 
everyone's babies to be able to survive and for their humans to not have to go 
through this. 

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> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:34 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> I guess you all have been lucky – or your kitty cats have been lucky – 
> stomatitis can be horrible – yes bad breath but lesions in the mouth – 
> infection – not to be taken lightly – especially with an FeLV kitty.  
> Speaking from experience – dealing with it now.
>  
> I do agree 2nd opinions are important.
> Sandy W
>  
> From: Amani Oakley
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM
> To: Amy ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
>  
> Hi Ashley
>  
> I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of 
> the gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of a 
> problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example. Sometimes 
> it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often and not 
> usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and steroids will 
> usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets now in a 
> transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the inside of a 
> cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This is especially 
> important if their gums are sore or they have an infected tooth or more. It 
> hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one cat who has 
> stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her the transdermal 
> prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she will be able to eat 
> normally again.
>  
> However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis at 
> a level when it is really problematic.
>  
> Amani
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
> Sent: June-14-16 10:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
>  
> Hi Ashley,
>  
> I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had 
> numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues. 
> I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but 
> they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so 
> much stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience no 
> two vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally 
> differ. Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do 
> antibiotics and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest 
> full extraction. I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions 
> on any cats since I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods and 
> they seem to respond well. That said, if a cat is really painful and not 
> responding to treatment, I have heard it is more humane to extract so they 
> are not in pain. If we had a cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't be 
> opposed to extractions. If I was going to do that, I think I'd want a 2nd 
> opinion to make sure that it is really necessary as I've seen vets that jump 
> to that too quickly.
>  
> As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress, watch 
> their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure supplements 
> and other things help too but I just love mine and do everything I can to 
> keep them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have. I've had some that 
> live months and I have one that has been with me 12 years. Just enjoy Twigs 
> for whatever time you have.  I hope you have many happy years together.
>  
> Just my 2 cents.
> Amy
>  
> 
> From: ashley egger 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:18 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
>  
> Hi there!
> I've been lurking for sometime, ever since my cat Twigs was diagnosed 
> about a year ago.  I figure it's time I post something and put myself out 
> there and hopefully some of you may have experience or suggestions with some 
> of things I'm facing.
>  
> Twigs is 2 years old, got him from a rescue where he tested negative and 
> was vaccinated against Felv.  Then he develope

Re: [Felvtalk] Our Cats....

[Rachel Dagner]

There has been a kitty hanging outside work again the last couple of days.
Luckily very skittish as I won't be taking another one home. I did put some
of Josie's kitten food and some water out just now. I actually have a bag of
Purina Kitten Chow at home that they had Josie on, which if you ask me is
just horrible food, but better than going hungry. I will bring that to work
for outside kitty and buy more cat food for him if he sticks around and eats
what I give him. Josie was wild again last night, but did snuggle in with me
for cat naps. She even slept on Harry's arm for awhile he told me this
morning.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Our Cats

SOUNDS LIKE HARLEY AND DEE WHEN THEY WERE 3 MONTHS.  Harley still knows how
to push my buttons.  He also has an attitude (now 4 years), goes to a chair,
sinks his claws in and turns with that "Are you going to let me out or do I
destroy this chair" look.  Of course, I let him out, he has me well trained.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> Rachel...
>
> Your little girl sounds like an adorable little hellionand likely
> still small enough that her nighttime " Zooms" are not going to end up
> with the house Wrecked Like Ardy I have had a number of times
> now that I swear I want to kill my 9mo old ( Magellin...  " Jelly")
> He weighs FAR too much to be zooming around the house like an 8 week
> old kitten but that is exactly what he does( he's doing it now as I
> type this note and he is driving me CRAZY)  Up over the bed...over the
> computer...up to the top of the Dresser...knocks EVERYTHING off..back
> to the floor imagines he sees something well ahead and takes off
> like a shot into the living roomover the sofa...across the
> windows... back again...into the kitchen where he knocks the pots and
> pans to the floorTHEN when I finally catch him he looks at me with
> that "
> Yeah..and?? " look almost as if to say" What did you expect... I'm
> a CAT!!! "  Per Harry,  I used to have an unbelieveably
> affectionate tortie years ago who would take up residence on my chest
> EVERY night after I fell asleep  I'd invariably wake up in the
> middle of the night to her " bisquit" making near my neck and my eyes
> would open to this little face mere inches from my own...Happy as
> could be, purring away and kneading to beat the band  her claws
> stung but the whole thing was SO damn cute that I simply let her keep
> it up and ultimately fell back to sleep   I think that is the
> actual barometer of when you have been transformed into a " cat
> person" when you are willing to endure the little discomforts of their
> " misbehaviors " ( that are generally simply "cat" behaviors) because you
> so appreciate their "
> catness ".( BTW... that is not to say that I don't get
> outrageously irritated at times when he destroys some bit of the
> household in his Zeal...eg... My Patio door screens are virtually
> useless as a bug deterrent due to his discovery that climbing to the
> top of the screen and yowling will get me to the porch to let him back
> in( I'm fortunate to live on the second floor of my condo complex
> and CAN allow my Kitties a taste of the outdoors without worrying
> about them taking off or contacting other cats or critters)  I
> love to watch them enjoying themselves laying out in the sun and try
> to imagine that the sun is somehow ridding their body of the FeL Virus
> ( Fastasy of course but a nice thought)  enjoy your new Kittens...
> Harry will be as fond of them , over time, as you are if he has a heart...


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Re: [Felvtalk] Our cats

[Rachel Dagner]

Last night Josie decided she felt at home enough to be a wild thing. Tearing 
through our bedroom, up and down running across the bed when we were trying to 
sleep.  Then today at work she was super sleepy snoozing on the back of my 
office chair (me sitting on the very edge). Every time I would pet or kiss on 
her she would let out a plaintive mew and snuggle back in as if to say "do you 
mind I am trying to sleep here!" Talk about your double standards! I asked 
Harry if she kept him up all night and he said no but he woke up because 
someone was staring at him and her little face was inches from his looking at 
him. It's funny because he uses a sleep apnea machine and she was probably 
wondering what the heck it was. He also said she seems to have a really good 
personality so I think he is going to end up loving her! She is so cute and 
sweet and funny I think he would have a screw loose if he didn't like her.  I 
do wonder if I will get any sleep tonight though

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:37 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else had a day when you swore you were going to kill oe of them?  
> The last couple of weeks, Annie my 6lb, positive baby has developed an urge 
> to attack and kill all coons that come on our deck.  She normally will not go 
> outside because things, sonds frighten her, but lately she tries to get out 
> every time I open the door.  She got out this am and refused to come when 
> called.  She was out for at least 1 hour.  I called and called, came in and 
> called, maybe she came in on her own, went to the garage and got on my hands 
> and knees to make sure she was not under my van.  Finally came in and said a 
> prayer for her safety because I could not roam the woods looking for her 
> (recently broke an arm).  Came into my parents room to do some work, just 
> happened to glance at the flower shelves and there she was .  I called her 
> and she never answered!  Of course I did not kill her, I was too glad 
> to find her safe and sound!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Ashley, 

I am so sorry to hear your baby Twigs is having problems. We all know how 
devastating it is to have a sick baby. I don't know anything about stomatitis 
so I did some reading on it. Sounds like it can be a very painful and life 
threatening illness if it gets bad. From what you said he is still eating and 
acting normal though. I read where some kitties have had teeth cleanings 
followed with regular brushings and that this can help. Not sure how much it 
would help a felv cat or if he would even let you brush but maybe something to 
consider. I have a new baby after losing my felv baby and am bound and 
determined to brush her teeth and get her used to it. 
As for the asthma I would probably try the medicine and see if it helps. I 
checked my Marty Goldstein book and he says he uses something called Dr. 
Christopher’s Breathe Aid and Pinellia 16 for coughing and asthma. So maybe 
something you can look into as well.
I am glad you are feeding him good food and giving supplements. I am praying 
that whatever treatments you chose are effective and help him live a longer and 
healthier life. We can only do what we can that is within our financial means 
for our babies and sometimes you can spend everything you have and still lose 
to this sad disease. Just give him love and enjoy everyday you have with him. 
You are a good mommy and you love him and he knows that. I will keep you both I 
my prayers. I hope you will stay with us through your journey and lean on us as 
needed. It was very helpful for me to have this group to come to for support. 

Rachel 


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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:18 PM, ashley egger  wrote:
> 
> Hi there!
> I've been lurking for sometime, ever since my cat Twigs was diagnosed 
> about a year ago.  I figure it's time I post something and put myself out 
> there and hopefully some of you may have experience or suggestions with some 
> of things I'm facing.
>   
> Twigs is 2 years old, got him from a rescue where he tested negative and 
> was vaccinated against Felv.  Then he developed a cough, I took him to the 
> vet and got a terrible surprise- he tested positive (and had been exposed to 
> no other cats since adoption.) so I'm guessing he got it while with the 
> rescue or a false neg. the first time.Anyway- vet diagnosed Felv and 
> stomatitis, but his bloodwork was perfect.  He acts perfectly normal- eating, 
> playing, etc.  I am just filled with dread at the thought that he may not 
> always be like this. Back at the vet today for check-up- had them do another 
> Elisa test- still positive (damnit) but bloodwork still perfect and he has 
> actually gained weight (a plump healthy 10-11lbs) and vet said he seemed 
> remarkably healthy. He still has the cough and vet diagnosed asthma after I 
> showed her a video of him having one his "spells."  He does it on average 
> once a day or every other day.  She prescribed advair inhaler for the asthma 
> and full extraction of all his teeth for the stomatitis.
>
> My questions I guess are:
> -Anyone have cat with both felv and asthma?  any concerns with inhaler use?  
> Is this the best treatment?
> 
> -Any thoughts on the stomatitis and anyone have experience with the 
> extractions?  Is this the best treatment?
> 
> -Also what can I do to prolong this mostly healthy time for Twigs and prevent 
> (or at least delay) his decline from the felv (ugh I HATE that word so much.) 
>  Realistically how much time do I have? I feed him good grain free food and 
> he takes multiple supplements currently.
> 
>I will do whatever I can to prolong his life and comfort, but cost is 
> definitely an issue too.  Anyway thanks in advance for any help. 
> 
> -ashley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Rachel Dagner]

I am hoping Josie (Jo Jo) the new kitty gets to be the Guinness Records
oldest cat someday. By then I too will be old enough to worry about out
living the next one. Am I the only one who after losing a very special kitty
tragically young and getting a new one, has little panic attacks that
something bad will happen to the new one? She, her siblings and her mother
all tested negative for FELV/FIV, but I find myself looking at her and
thinking OMG what if she has a heart murmur, what if she has FIP, what if
she gets cancer, what if I forget to put the toilet seat down and she falls
in. Ok, so she is big enough to get out of the toilet if she fell in, but
what if she bumped her head on the way in! Yes, I am actually constantly
checking the toilets in the house.

-Original Message-
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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

Check out Rustic Hollow.

 Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> I am actually thinking that next time around I will adopt a more senior
> cat. My age is getting to be more “senior” in nature, and I worry that if
> my pets outlive me, what will happen to them? Both of my kids say they
> would take them, but my daughter is more of a dog person, and her hubby is
> very allergic to cats. And my son loves cats, but is gone all the time
> traveling – I just don’t think either would be an ideal situation.
>
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Margo
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 2:00 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
>
> Rachel, "senior" rescue isn't for everyone, and I don't fault you at all.
> ANY cat who finds a home is cause for celebration. If we couldn't place
> the young ones the less adoptables would be out of time that much more
> quickly. It's hard to wait for the right cat, but you'll find her.
>
> Good luck :)
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Jun 11, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
>
>
>
> Yes, the two I am looking at are girls as well and look very similar to
> Tucker. I figure girls have way less of chance for getting blockages.  I
> know I will disappoint a lot of people on here, as well as some friends
> that do rescue by admitting they are young kitties and not old. I do feel
> a lot of guilt because I don't want any kitty to not have a home, but in
> the end it needs to be my decision and I have thought about the pros and
> cons a great deal. I wish I could save them all.  I am praying my new
> kitty will get used to riding in the car and will take her to work to get
> her used to it. Tucker actually loved riding in the car, when he was
> homeless at work he used to follow me to my car and put his paws up on the
> door ledge to get in. When I did take him home he snuggled right in the
> crate and looked positively content. I took him to the mountains on
> vacation. We had a nice cabin with a huge screened porch so he could watch
> the wildlife. I also have the pet tracking gps collar he had to wear on
> vacation just in case. I never left Tucker or Daizy in the eleven years I
> had her with a sitter, where I go they go or I just don't go, I don't
> trust anyone with my animals except my mom and she lives in Texas. I want
> my new kitty to travel too if at all possible and will work very hard to
> make this happen. I also hope to get her used to brushing her teeth every
> night just like Daizy. And I hope that she and Daizy will play together
> like she and Tucker did. I hope that Harry will fall in love with her
> antics and cuteness like he did Tucker and come to appreciate cats even
> more, and even fall in love with her.  I meet them tomorrow and hope I
> feel something when I do. I desperately need to heal from this aching
> emptiness. One thing I know for sure is that my kitty will never see a
> shelter again. Even if I  die my family would never let that happen. It
> makes me so mad that people adopt a pet only to later find it
> "inconvenient" for whatever reason.  They give up their animal yet end up
> getting another one later. Pets are forever for better or worse. Anyways I
> hope everyone still likes me even though I am looking at young kitties
> after all they need a good home and life too and one will have that with
> me for all of her days.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Ardy Robertson  <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:
>
> Rachel – you sound li

Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk

[Rachel Dagner]

I would say maybe test the kittens if they are positive mommy probably has it 
if negative it may be a bad test. Praying very hard it is a bad test. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> Many times a "slight positive" is a test that isn't correctly read.  I can't 
> say it is all the time.  I had a kitty who tested "slight positive" who came 
> up negative on retest.  No way would I separate the babies, if she is 
> positive and they are going to be infected they're likely already infected.  
> Just my opinion.
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Roxanne Smith  
>> wrote:
>> Hi all, I am in a rescue group, and one of our mommas came back as 
>> "slightly" positive per the vet, I must say that confuses me as the test was 
>> a combo test... Thoughts???
>> In addition, she has two three week old babies, opinions on whether or not 
>> they should be separated???
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Rachel Dagner]

Yes, the two I am looking at are girls as well and look very similar to Tucker. 
I figure girls have way less of chance for getting blockages.  I know I will 
disappoint a lot of people on here, as well as some friends that do rescue by 
admitting they are young kitties and not old. I do feel a lot of guilt because 
I don't want any kitty to not have a home, but in the end it needs to be my 
decision and I have thought about the pros and cons a great deal. I wish I 
could save them all.  I am praying my new kitty will get used to riding in the 
car and will take her to work to get her used to it. Tucker actually loved 
riding in the car, when he was homeless at work he used to follow me to my car 
and put his paws up on the door ledge to get in. When I did take him home he 
snuggled right in the crate and looked positively content. I took him to the 
mountains on vacation. We had a nice cabin with a huge screened porch so he 
could watch the wildlife. I also have the pet tracking gps collar he had to 
wear on vacation just in case. I never left Tucker or Daizy in the eleven years 
I had her with a sitter, where I go they go or I just don't go, I don't trust 
anyone with my animals except my mom and she lives in Texas. I want my new 
kitty to travel too if at all possible and will work very hard to make this 
happen. I also hope to get her used to brushing her teeth every night just like 
Daizy. And I hope that she and Daizy will play together like she and Tucker 
did. I hope that Harry will fall in love with her antics and cuteness like he 
did Tucker and come to appreciate cats even more, and even fall in love with 
her.  I meet them tomorrow and hope I feel something when I do. I desperately 
need to heal from this aching emptiness. One thing I know for sure is that my 
kitty will never see a shelter again. Even if I  die my family would never let 
that happen. It makes me so mad that people adopt a pet only to later find it 
"inconvenient" for whatever reason.  They give up their animal yet end up 
getting another one later. Pets are forever for better or worse. Anyways I hope 
everyone still likes me even though I am looking at young kitties after all 
they need a good home and life too and one will have that with me for all of 
her days. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Rachel – you sound like you are going through a lot of the feelings I had 
> after Tigger passed away. I quite accidentally looked over at the kitties in 
> PetSmart – I was NOT going to look at them that day. But Topaz looks very 
> similar to Tigger even though she is a girl and Tigg was a boy. That somehow 
> is comforting – even though I am determined to not compare the two of them. I 
> even had GUILT about liking Topaz. But I did feel like I had to get her out 
> of that glass enclosure, and heck – I have a big house, what’s wrong with 
> bringing one home. You will know if it is okay to help out another 
> kitty…….Ardy
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 8:50 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>  
> I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know 
> if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my 
> appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein 
> shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the misfortune 
> of looking at me, or being around me for that matter. Well, I of course cried 
> all of the way to the vets, and all the way home. But then I curled up in bed 
> with my little box of Tucker, and I actually did feel a little more at peace. 
> I laid there with him and went through my pictures again and talked to him 
> about all of my feelings and my love for him, about our memories and how much 
> I miss him.
>  
> I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder, they 
> test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there is no 
> sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for 
> anything in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am not 
> ready for FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any illness, 
> then I deal with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to Petsmart 
> over in Tampa on Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I will be 
> ready, or if this is what I desperately need to do to help me heal, but it 
> won’t hurt to go meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the greatest 
> gifts Tucker gave me is that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a pictures of 
> a kitty on Pet finder he said  “Is that the one you want to get?” So I know 
> now that I will never again have to live 

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Rachel Dagner]

You could add an immunosupportive supplement to his food. There are so many
out there and I am not an expert on any of them unfortunately, and it
doesn’t sound like your vet is either. You could try calling or e-mailing
an integrative vet to see what brands they think are best, if you wanted to
add this. It may or may not make a difference in the outcome, who knows,
but it wouldn’t hurt and I would do it if I had it to do over again, the
only reason I didn’t is because I was scared to death of any mineral or
ingredient that might cause the slightest uti or crystals in Tucker, who
another unremovable blockage would have meant death for, I gave him
prescription cat food and distilled water and nothing else, until the
cancer when it was too late for it to do much good. I also think you should
have him tested, you are going to worry yourself either way, and what if
there isn’t anything to worry about? I had a girlfriend worry her whole
life about breast cancer because her mom and grandma died in their early
forties from it. Finally when she turned 41 she came up with the courage to
get a mammogram and the genetic testing, and guess what? No cancer no gene.
She was too scared to look into it sooner so she could possibly catch it
early or to take preventative measures, she is very lucky it turned out
like it did.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Mary Muzyka
*Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 10:12 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



Thanks for all your comments.  My invoice from the vet indicates that they
tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI
parasites, analyses full & internal organ health.  They did prescribe
Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days
to stimulate her appetite.  When I returned for the second visit, they gave
her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection
(10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable.  I
don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she
tested negative.  He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what
more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean -
food bowls & litter box.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...

[Rachel Dagner]

I think we need both natural and conventional. After all if your
cholesterol is high and you lose weight and change your diet and eat some
oatmeal everyday it is likely that you can bring it down without spending
your life of drugs. Right? There is merit to including vitamins and
supplements and the healthiest food you can put in your body and into that
of your animals.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*ROBERT CHAPEL
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:00 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccines and General Health Knowledge...



I applaud Amani's very nicely delineated defense of Vaccines and her
pointing out how many people who are anti vax ( and dare I say wedded to "
all natural " cures etc) more often than not have a sub standard
understanding of immunology, Micro Bio and even basic physiology.  I am
not a huge fan of the medical 'machine' in america but the fact that it is
BIG business should not obviate the fact that there are MANY individual
MD's and Vets who do their level best to practice well and ethically and
who DO know quite a bit more than we do even if we do not always like the
conclusions they draw.  Silly people who are fond of saying that " The
Doctors don't know what they are talking about" can seldom be seen avoiding
these same uninformed professionals as soon as something goes amiss with
their health.( Then , of course, fail to follow the advice they are
given...don't improve and blame it on the fact the the " Doctors don't know
what they are talking about" : )We run that risk here as well Vets
are businessmen/women and the world of Vet medicine is rapidly changing in
the same direction as Human Medicine...Vets are incentivized in group
practices to sell services AND medications and don't always predicate their
decisions on what is best for the patient or owner..THAT is why it is SO
important to NOT run from Vet to Vet...  find one that you basically trust
and stay with them!!  Same with MD's  Even if they are under pressure
to " sell " most decent people will allow the long term relationship to
count for "something" over time and modify their approach.  Most
importantly try to learn all you can to discourse _ intelligently_ about
your animals disease process so that you can somewhat impassively evaluate
the advice you were given by a vet and determine if he/she was simply not
paying enough attention to your concerns, or fully grasped them but reached
a different conclusion   The Vet I saw the other day who really did
give a careful examination to my Yogi had no investment in me OR my cat but
was a professional and did what needed to be doneprescribed sensibly

( which resulted in very clear improvement for my cat) but did NOT want to
prescribe Winstrol I believe because he could not keep the script in house
( ie...can't get his hands on it and can't make a profit on it)

The other vet in the same practice that I saw showed no signs of the same
profit motive, WAS willing to prescribe Winstrol but gave my guy a FAR more
cursory examination( eg...didn't even use a tonometer to measure
Intraocular Pressure).. and recommended against using the very drugs that
were responsible for my guys improvement..   Who is the better vet??
I don't know...  I know that I have to decide on someone with whom to
develop a relationship and I could go broke running from Vet to Vet until I
find one that I trust right out of the Box...  ( BTWEACH one of the
Vets mentioned were recommended to me)..

Sorry for the length of this "rant"... hope it wasn't an imposition...
The brief " take away "...  We are the advocates for our FeLV kitties and
we owe it to ourselves and them to be as scientifically informed as we can
be ... Sadly todays " professionals " are sometimes not a lot different
than the Deli clerk who has been instructed to routinely go over when you
ask for a "half pound"..  I am old enough to feel a profound sadness at
this dilution of the meaning of professional.  Now we really DO have to
keep both eyes open

until we know our " professional" well.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Rachel Dagner]

Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was Lymphoma
that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the blood work.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Kelley S
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
*To:* felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Rachel Dagner]

I would probably get him tested, just so you could maybe do something
preventative for his immune system to keep him strong, and also to
carefully monitor and act at the first sign of an infection so you have a
better chance of fighting it before it gets bad. It sounds like exactly
what happened with my Tucker and he had cancer, loss of appetite, less
active…  His was in his chest though and we knew it because he was
regurgitating his food and we did an x-ray and found the mass. Lymphoma is
very common among young FELV cats and can go to many different places in
the body. I am so very sorry about Fiona, it is so heartbreaking to lose
them so young, and to see them go through such a rapid decline, Tucker
lasted a little over a month and a half but he was on steroids without
those he would have gone just as quickly, it was still a very sad time for
me knowing his time was so limited, and knowing he didn’t feel as good and
wasn’t as happy as he was before. Tucker was about the same age. I am
sending prayers your way that Dolce did not get it. People have had them
living together and their other cats did not get it so there is hope. Also
I think it is better if they come into contact with it when they are older
rather than when they are kittens as their immune systems might be strong
enough to fight it off and eliminate it before it can get into the marrow
and stick around forever.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Mary Muzyka
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:48 PM
*To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)



Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Ok, thank you, and I understand and agree with your points as well.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:52 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



Rachel



I don’t think I suggested you are an anti-vaxxer, so I apologize if you
took my comments that way. However, what I do suggest is caution and a
healthy inquiring mind regarding interacting with people who are giving out
faulty, unscientific advice about vaccines (and there are a lot of them,
though their voices are far more muted now since the measles out break). I
don’t think a vet who suggests spacing out vaccinations or one who measures
titres are at all anit-vaccination. These are prudent measures to take and
I agree that our animals likely hold their immunity, when vaccinated, a lot
longer than a year (which is why measuring of titres makes sense – you are
measuring the reactivity of the immune system to a particular antigen, to
determine if the animal is still responsive to the introduction of the
bacteria or viral antigen). However, my caution is to remind people that
even with some problems with some vaccines, we shouldn’t respond by moving
180 degrees in the opposite direction. We should also not pay attention to
those who call for a blanket rejection of vaccines. This is a dangerous
strategy.



On one point, though, I want to make a comment. Vaccinations are not just
about one person or one animal. Vaccinations are also for the good of the
community. Those who DON’T vaccinate are only safe because they are
cocooned inside a grouping of a whole lot of other people or animals, who
had to take the risks – no matter how big or slight one perceives those to
be – of being vaccinated. That is why many states, provinces, etc., have
rules about what vaccines kids have to have before they can go to school.
If your choice meant that your own child and only your own child was put at
risk, that is one thing. But that is not the case. In the German measles
outbreak that happened in Disney world, I seem to recall that several young
children under the age of two, died and/or were left permanently damaged by
the infection. Children under two cannot be vaccinated, so they truly must
rely on the rest of us being vaccinated to keep the infection away from
them. So while there are elements of personal choice, where an infection
can spread to others in the community, I think that takes the issue out of
solely being personal and elevates it to a community issue. The saying in
law is along the lines of, “your rights end where mine begin”. However, I
agree with you that you have far more flexibility with indoor cats, keeping
in mind the proviso that Margo mentioned – that circumstances happen and
our cats get out, with or without us meaning to have that happen.



I also agree with you completely about the rabies vaccine, and I wouldn’t
be at all surprised if they found that the immunity the animals garner,
holds for a lot longer than three years. I think what you are describing
your Tampa vet does, is prudent and makes a lot of sense.





Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* June-09-16 3:05 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Margo
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV
cats. I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have
given Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started
having infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there,
his immune system was already compromised and I wish I would not have added
the extra stress to it. My choice. I said I am very concerned about the
rabies vaccine for my tiny, older (inside and/or never out of my sight) dog
since she has always had very bad reactions to them and now has a large
lump on her side that will not go away, I am looking into my options, and
will weigh them very carefully to decide what I feel comfortable with. My
choice. Since we now know that there are several people on this list who
along with their vets, might not choose to vaccinate their sick or elderly
animals, and for obviously concerning reasons, I would hope you are not
using the term anti-vaxxers to refer to myself or to them? In the event
anyone is interested, I found an integrative vet in Tampa and it is a hike
for me but she does not do vaccines all at once, she spaces them out,
writes exemptions for pets that have had serious adverse reactions, or have
serious illnesses where their heath could be compromised by vaccines, and
will do the titer with one T test, for your piece of mind that your pet
still has enough antibodies for protection, the test is not recognized as a
replacement for the shot at least where I live, but at least it is
something for me whether they recognize it or not. It

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

 animals, but check with the laws in your area and don’t run
afoul of them if you can help it. And don’t take for granted the power of
the microorganisms that attack animals and humans. With animals,
unfortunately, vaccine manufacturers likely rush a vaccine into production
well before it reaches the level of proof and safety we expect in human
medicine, and thus, for diseases like FeLV, the vaccine is iffy. However,
considering what we all know – how lethal FeLV can be and how little is in
the arsenal to fight it – it is not surprising that someone decided a
partially or sometimes effective vaccine is better than no vaccine at all,
until something better comes along. Same goes with rabies – it is lethal
and a terrible and painful way to die and very transmissible. Again, the
only reason people are taking chances with rabies now is because of the
effectiveness of the rabies vaccine – most of us luckily never have seen an
animal infected with rabies. So we get complacent. However, as Margo
pointed out, in animal species who are not pet species and thus don’t have
a high vaccination rate (like raccoons, foxes and skunks) rabies is still a
significant threat. Where our animals may come in contact with skunks,
raccoons and foxes, even inadvertently, it is not wise to have unvaccinated
dogs and cats, though I agree that annual vaccinations are probably not
necessary. As for vets and dog groomers, they may not ask if animals have
been vaccinated because it was long the norm and the majority of people had
vaccinated animals. With the spread of anti-vaccination messages, I predict
this will soon enough become a problem again. (Just remember the measles
outbreak in Disneyworld last year or the year before – too many complacent
people assuming that measles as no longer a threat.) Just contemplate what
the rabies vaccine has managed to accomplish – there are parts of the world
that are completely rabies free (like Australia where Johnny Depp recently
had his run-in with the Prime Minister over this). This isn’t because
rabies just up and disappeared people! It’s because Australia is an island
so it has a contained land mass surrounded by water, and no new animals can
wander in from a neighbouring country, and with a long and aggressive
rabies vaccination program (including putting rabies vaccine laced food out
for wild animals as we do in Ontario too), they have managed to eradicate
the disease in the entire country. And that’s of course why Australia got
so snitty with Johnny Depp who smuggled in his dogs (not that I don’t
sympathize).



Do your own research into the history of the infections brought under
control by vaccinations, learn how they work, and don’t listen to
anti-vaxxers! I have yet to meet one who had anywhere near the grasp of the
body and the immune system as I do (and I no longer work in the health care
community), and I can argue circles around their logic and lack of
knowledge. I agree that with our animals, I suspect that vets in the past
took annual vaccines for granted, and they are probably not needed
annually, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.



Amani







*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Margo
*Sent:* June-09-16 6:29 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv





Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen
the consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that
the critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still
PLENTY of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever,
especially the most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons
often occupy attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.

I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out.
There are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught,
a human may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and
if the anial has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal
MUST be tested.

-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that
a mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patient

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Rachel Dagner]

I picked up Tucker’s ashes yesterday. I was really worried as I didn’t know
if it would make me feel better or worse. I haven’t eaten since Sunday my
appetite is nonexistent, I have managed to choke down a couple protein
shakes. My eyes are so swollen, I feel bad for anyone who has the
misfortune of looking at me, or being around me for that matter. Well, I of
course cried all of the way to the vets, and all the way home. But then I
curled up in bed with my little box of Tucker, and I actually did feel a
little more at peace. I laid there with him and went through my pictures
again and talked to him about all of my feelings and my love for him, about
our memories and how much I miss him.



I have actually been in touch with a rescue group I found on pet finder,
they test every cat for FELV/FIV while many others don’t. I know that there
is no sure thing with testing, and I wouldn’t trade my time with Tucker for
anything in the world. I just know that emotionally and financially I am
not ready for FELV again right now. If it happens, just like with any
illness, then I deal with it, because that is what you do.  I am going to
Petsmart over in Tampa on Sunday to meet their kitties, I have no idea if I
will be ready, or if this is what I desperately need to do to help me heal,
but it won’t hurt to go meet them and see how my heart feels. One of the
greatest gifts Tucker gave me is that “no cats” Harry, when I showed him a
pictures of a kitty on Pet finder he said  “Is that the one you want to
get?” So I know now that I will never again have to live without the feel
of that soft fur on my face or the heart melting sound of purring in my
ear. It is so hard because I am scared to get one, and I am scared not to.
I guess we will see what happens…



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Ardy Robertson
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:59 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker



I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your
fur-baby. The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even
though I said I would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my
heart, but Topaz is easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had
with Tigger or like you had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a
reason to not try again, and with all the little homeless kitties, I think
Tigger would have wanted me to help another kitty. Certainly take your
time, but I hope you can open your heart again at some point.



Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker



Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard
for me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of
my adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and
imagined him that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I
only had him for a year and a half. In that time we went through so much.
Emergency vet visits, surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world
though. He touched my life and heart so much. I opted for a private
cremation, so I can keep him close to me always. I was the one person in
his life that he loved and adored more than anything, and he never doubted
my love for him.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:

I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories
you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for
you.



On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker

I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due
to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so
very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,
and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying
on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
now.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

I live in Treasure Island.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 8:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I lived for 30 years in Broward/Palm Beach counties. I never had an EVet
ask for proof of rabies. Nor did referral Vets. Eventually they would want
a history, but I was never asked "up front".

Where in FL? (just general, I don't need specifics)

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Rachel Dagner 
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 7:41 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is why I think it is important for a felv cat owner to try to find
an integrative vet. They don't believe in over vaccination and will still
treat your animal. Of course it could still be a problem if your cat
needed emergency care. Something to ask the vet if you found one. Somehow
in New York at Dr. Goldstein's clinic they find a way. People go there
from all over the world to have their pets treated for very serious
illnesses. And he sends his patients out to other vets who do surgeries or
other procedures and he does not over vaccinate. Maybe he has found like
minded regular vets to work with. I just wish I could have a network like
that here in Florida.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Ardy Robertson 
wrote:
>>
>> In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but
>> not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not
>> rabies vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I
>> do not vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have
>> surgery to be spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she
came through fine.
>> And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>>
>> I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie
>> day-care and training center, and she has three dogs of her own and
>> does not have them vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she
>> gets by with it, but she believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She
>> also is an advocate for feeding raw meat to her animals, and no
commercial dog food.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>> Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>> N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>> Osseo  WI  54758
>> 715-533-0661
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>>
>> That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11
>> and she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year
>> rabies shot she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her
>> hip and rib cage that is still there, they said it is nothing to
>> worry about, but I do not think I will get the rabies vaccine for her
>> again. I pray that they are right and the bump is nothing and will
eventually go away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Lorrie
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>>
>>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>>   compromised immune system?
>> -
>>
>> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my
>> old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some
>> positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>> -
>>
>> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every
cat.
>> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are
>> not fully developed.
>>
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

That is why I think it is important for a felv cat owner to try to find an 
integrative vet. They don't believe in over vaccination and will still treat 
your animal. Of course it could still be a problem if your cat needed emergency 
care. Something to ask the vet if you found one. Somehow in New York at Dr. 
Goldstein's clinic they find a way. People go there from all over the world to 
have their pets treated for very serious illnesses. And he sends his patients 
out to other vets who do surgeries or other procedures and he does not over 
vaccinate. Maybe he has found like minded regular vets to work with. I just 
wish I could have a network like that here in Florida. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
> for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
> vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
> vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
> spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
> And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
> 
> I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
> training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
> vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
> believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
> raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
> 
> Thank you,
> Ardy Robertson, Clerk
> Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
> N14438 Valleybrook Ln
> Osseo  WI  54758
> 715-533-0661
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
> That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
> has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
> got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
> is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
> will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
> the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>   compromised immune system?
> -
> 
> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
> -
> 
> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
> fully developed.
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Probably because the felv vaccine and rabies vaccine are the ones that cause 
injection site sarcoma. So if your cat is not likely to get felv its not worth 
the risk. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 6:12 AM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Ardy Robertson 
>> Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>> My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
>> vaccine is not a good idea.
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>>   compromised immune system?
>> -
>> 
>> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>> -
>> 
>> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>> fully developed.  
>> 
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Rachel Dagner]

I know you feel that way. I still can’t help but worry about long term use
with something that suppresses the immune system when they are so
susceptible to other infections and cancers as it is. If there is no other
option besides long term use then it is what it is. I just hope Bob’s kitty
doesn’t need it long term or at least can take the least amount possible to
control it, and I hope there is something else he can use to help control
it better so he needs less.  I gave Tucker prednisone right up until the
end so we could spend every moment possible together. Without it I wouldn’t
have gotten that extra month and a half with him. I wish it could have kept
him going forever.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



Actually Rachel, with cats, who have a very different metabolism than we do
(or dogs for that matter) they seem to do very very well on steroids and do
not suffer the kinds of side effects one sees in humans on long term
prednisone use, etc.



Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* June-08-16 11:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic,
taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it
does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they
use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and
see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be
worth a try at least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book,
and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in
researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one
of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you
can’t buy their products unless you are a qualified health care
professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get
something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never
stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a diminishing dose.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*ROBERT CHAPEL
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original
note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see
the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS
one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly
affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks (
diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving
quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with
prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this
time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once
the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose)
indefinitely.  From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic
condition that only remits

Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Amani – This would have been nice information to add to the website… just
sayin’.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:42 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv



Realissa,,



You can just do your own research on line. It is helpful to know the
science behind it, and I have now found some articles online. This is a
drug used in AIDS patients, and because the AIDS virus and FeLV are so
similar, this is why they are looking to use it for FeLV. I have attached
two scientific papers, but there are more. I only had time to find these
two – from credible sources – to share for now.



I tried to attach them, but the annoying bounce back happened. (REALLY –
please pay attention folks who host this group! This is very very
time-consuming to always get these boucebacks and my attachments WEREN’T
that large – 157 KB and 98 KB.)



Anyhow  - the titles of the articles, if anyone wants to look them up
yourselves, are:



Discovery of Drugs that Possess Activity Against Feline Leukemia Virus –
Journal of General Virology (2012), 93, 900-905 and



Evaluation of the effect of short term treatment with the integrase
inhibitor raltegravir (lsentress) on the course of progressive feline
leukemia virus infection – Vet. Microbiol. 2015 Feb 25; 175(2-4)





Amani



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] *On Behalf Of *Realissa Dekraunti
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*Subject:* [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv



the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her
name here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her?
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

I agree completely, laws can cause some problems in my reasoning on this
subject, I think I know what I would choose for an inside FELV kitty
though, and it seems as if at least Lorrie’s vet agrees as he will not do
them on her FELV cats for a reason. And it seems as if a vet agreed that an
animal’s immune system was compromised and couldn’t handle more
vaccinations, without serious complications or death, that that should come
into play in the stupid laws we have. Sorry, but I am upset about my dogs
reactions, and do not want to put her through more rabies vaccines, she has
had it 8 times, enough is enough. Tucker started having horrible UTIs after
his vaccines, not one problem before that, coincidence? Maybe. And I read
they give my 5lb Chihuahua the same amount of vaccine they give a St
Bernard? Something seems wrong there! It might have already caused her
irreversible harm. My nephew was bit by a dog in Texas and they didn’t have
rabies shots, the dog was quarantined and then sent home. I am surprised
they still do testing the other way if you can quarantine an animal?
Anyways for anyone with a FELV cat who doesn’t want to skip rabies I agree
the others should be skipped or at least closely looked at for the need for
them for an inside cat, and I think this should be suggested by this group
as people come here for help, it could be the difference between life and
death for their cat, getting a ton of vaccines could be just the ticket to
sending the functioning system into FELV hell. And if they get the rabies
vaccine because they are scared not to because of laws or the chance of a
scratch or bite from their cat, who without a doubt does not have rabies, I
would say focus extra hard on pumping up the immune system at least a few
weeks before and a few weeks after, to give them the best chance, and then
pray. I hope someday they go from the 3 year shot to the 5 year shot or
better yet to one or two shots in the animals entire life. After all do we
get the vaccines we received as children year after year after year for the
same exact things, and if we did would we get them all in one fell swoop in
one office visit? No. Rabies is such a extremely rare thing these days, and
has been for a very long time, it is sad we are forced into killing our
animal family members with this overused vaccine. There has to be a better
way. The number of cats I heard of having injection site sarcoma or however
the heck you spell it on cancer sites is sad beyond belief, it is
unnecessarily taken animals lives and caused suffering for not only them
but for their humans as well. Ok rant over. Sorry but it really upsets me.
Amani can we please file a lawsuit against someone? I think what we have
here is a case of wrongful death to so many animals we couldn’t even count
them.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Margo
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:52 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv





"Titer" with one "t". An option in some cases, but by no means a guarantee.
I seldom vaccinate against anything but Rabies past the first booster, but
skipping Rabies can become problematic, since it is (generally) legally
mandated.  Which means that a pet with no proof of vaccination can be
subject to seizure, quarantine and sometimes forced testing. Testing for
rabies is done using the head/brain of an animal. Check your local laws
before deciding. There are many situations where a cat can be accused of
exposing someone to rabies, and even a scratch to a visitor, neighbor or
passerby can bring Rabies laws into play.

I do use the Purevax three year rabies, which is recognized in my State.

>From this article;

http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/antibody-titers-cat-vaccinations-cats-vaccines-ask-a-vet

"Sadly, at this time titers also appear to be of little use in determining
whether cats require other vaccines, such as those against rabies,
coronavirus (FIP), or feline leukemia virus. This is partly because titers
for these diseases are not readily available in a commercial setting, and
partly because less is understood about whether titers offer an accurate
approximation of immunity for these diseases. Bear in mind that rabies
vaccines in cats are often mandated by law, and that most jurisdictions
will not consider titers in lieu of vaccination."

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Jun 8, 2016 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it
that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and

Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Rachel Dagner]

What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic,
taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it
does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they
use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and
see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be
worth a try at least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book,
and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in
researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one
of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you
can’t buy their products unless you are a qualified health care
professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get
something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never
stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a diminishing dose.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*ROBERT CHAPEL
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original
note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see
the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS
one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly
affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks (
diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving
quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with
prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this
time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once
the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose)
indefinitely.  From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic
condition that only remits

Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it
that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry
about Scotchie. L Horrible.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Ardy Robertson
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”)
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy





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] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they
can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did
he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important
thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever
advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or
spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.



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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and
she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot
she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage
that is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not
think I will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are
right and the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-

My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive
cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every
cat. Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are
not fully developed.


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Did you try to send a message to a couple of her active friends? Maybe they
know how to reach her. Sometimes people don’t go on Facebook much.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv



the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her
name here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for 
me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my 
adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him 
that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for 
a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, 
surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life 
and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to 
me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than 
anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories 
> you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you.
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>> I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>> 
>> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due
>> to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so
>> very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
>> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
>> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,
>> and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying
>> on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
>> gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
>> door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
>> me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
>> know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
>> now.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Raltegravir for Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Wow! That is very exciting to hear about. If that could help other kitties I 
would be over the moon. My biggest wish is that no one or their babies ever 
again have to go through what Tucker and I went through. I hope she gets back 
to you. If she does you should ask her for her vets information, so your vet 
can discuss what he did and the results. Praying so hard that this might be an 
answer for you and others. If she doesn't get on Facebook much maybe you could 
contact some of her friends on there to ask her to contact you. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Realissa Dekraunti  
> wrote:
> 
> I wanted to share a post I found on facebook. This lady says that after 
> Raltegravir, her Felv positive cat became negative. I tried to contact her on 
> facebook to see if it's still negative. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> One of my indoor cats tested positive with leukemia and her brother didn't, 
> so she remains a mystery as to where she got it from. As a kitten she was 
> tested and she was negative. Months later, she tested positive. The virus 
> reached her bone marrow a year ago and she was terribly anaemic. She received 
> a couple of synthetic blood transfusions when she was about to die, and then 
> the doctor started her on Raltegravir (a HIV integrase inhibitor). This was, 
> like a said, a year ago, and she's now better than ever. There's no anaemia 
> and her Felv tests come back negative. I hope this gives other people hope 
> and inspiration to fight for their kittens. When everyone was telling me to 
> put her down a year ago, I just couldn't, convinced that she deserved every 
> ounce of effort. I couldn't separate her from her brother, either. They sleep 
> together, eat together, have the same toilet and groom each other, and in a 
> whole year, he hasn't got infected. I tested him every 3 months and had 
> hematology tests done, but he keeps coming back negative. I hope with all my 
> heart they are both healthy and they stay that way.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they
can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did
he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important
thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever
advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or
spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.



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Re: [Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do now?

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Realissa,



I am sorry to hear about your babies, the diagnosis is a real heartbreaker,
I know. If you are interested in a holistic approach to keep them healthy
there is a really good book called The Nature of Animal Healing by Dr.
Marin Goldstein. He is known as one of the best integrative vets in the
world, integrative meaning he uses conventional and holistic remedies for
his patients. He has cured animals that owners were told were not curable
or that conventional medicine alone did not work for. Which I think is the
best kind of vet. His clinic is  based out of New York, if I lived there
and had known about him that is where I would have gone for my baby right
from the get go, no doubt. He has a section in his book on what he has done
for FELV kitties to keep them healthy and from developing the bad things
that can come along for FELV cats. I think the biggest thing I have learned
about FELV is that we should probably not vaccinate them, especially if
they are indoor cats. Vaccinations do a number on even a healthy animals
immune system. He does have suggestions on how to keep them strong if they
must endure vaccinations due to state laws, and suggests that if you do
vaccines that you should not do them all at once or in combo doses as this
is too much for the immune system to handle at one time. There is a very
real reason they have now* finally* started doing 3 year vaccinations
instead of yearly, even though Veterinarians have been pushing for it since
the 90s.  The side effects, the sick animals, the cancer that they have
caused… it is all very scary and with a FELV or immune compromised cats and
dogs even more so.  I hope you can push past the fear, come up with a solid
game plan to do the best you can for them and then just enjoy them and put
Felv on the back burner and go on as normal. This is what you have to do,
and you will, and you will come to terms with the situation and move
forward. I will pray that your babies stay healthy and happy for many, many
years to come.



Rachel







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*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:51 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do now?



Hi everybody. Thank you for accepting me in this group.  I am just too
devastated to think straight. I rescued two cats in October and I found out
two days ago that they are both Felv positive. We did an Elisa test on
Thursday, and it came back positive, and an IFA that confirmed the positive
results. I live in LA and I don't know what to do, where to go, if there is
alternative medicine. I love these two cats more than I could ever imagine
and it is breaking my heart. Any input, help, direction you could give me,
would be incredibly appreciated. They are FIV negative but FELV positive. I
have heard there is a medicine called LTCI but that it is very expensive. I
am also heard of Virbagen Omega, L Lysin, Interfone. There is so much info
that I am overwhelmed.



to add some information.



 Date of birth: May 7, 2015
ELISA "snap" test at Animal Wellness Center: June 25, 2015 (age: 7 weeks).
Results: weak positive for FeLV
IFA confirming test at Animal Wellness Center: June 30, 2015 (age: 7 weeks,
5 days). Results: negative
ELISA "snap" test at Animal Wellness Center: August 1, 2015 (age: 12 weeks,
2 days). Results: weak positive for FeLV
ELISA in-lab test at Animal Wellness Center (sent to IDEXX): August 13,
2015 (age: 14 weeks). Results: negative



June 1, 2016 ELISA test both came positive



June 2, 2016 IFA both came Felv positive FIV negative



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[Felvtalk] Tucker

[Rachel Dagner]

I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing
due to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It
was so very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone
today, and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he
was laying on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to
believe he is gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an
hour with my car door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside
and come home with me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain
is just unbearable. I know that those here who have gone through this
understand where I am right now.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis on your babies. We all know first hand how 
hard it is to hear our babies have an illness. I don't know of any FIV groups 
personally so if you don't find one you like feel free to stay here with us. I 
think basically on both illnesses it is good to support the immune system as a 
preventative measure. There is a lot of good information out there on what 
works naturally for HIV patients and what therapies are compatible for kitties. 
If you don't feel comfortable researching yourself and coming up with a immune 
support system, I would look for a holistic vet in your area and get some 
information. I wish all vets were trained in both, so we only needed to go to 
one!  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2016, at 3:26 PM, barbe berbes  wrote:
> 
> Both of my babies have FIV, both adopted from shelter. Does anyone know of a 
> support group I can join to better helpe to help keep my little one healthy 
> as Iong as possible? I know very little about FIV and this group doesn't 
> address their issues directly. Thank you for any help and/or advice!!!
> 
> On May 24, 2016 2:17 PM, "Roxanne Smith"  wrote:
> I live in Milwaukee and know several good holistic vets
> Dr Heidi Meier out of Community Vet Clinic
> and Dr. Ali Troutman, I think her clinic is Integrated Vet Clinic
> Both are nice vets--I like them both
> I use Dr Meier for foster care
> and I have been to Dr Ali for several of my own very sick animals. Both are 
> sweet vets.
> 
> 
> 
> From: swacht 
> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 12:33 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol
> 
> There was someone who lives in the Milwaukee, WI area looking for a Holistic 
> Vet - I have nieces who live in Madison, WI who found one there
> Full Circle Veterinary
> Holistic Veterinary Care
> 
> I don't remember who and there are so many posts to go through
> 
> Sandy W
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Lorrie
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 5:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol
> 
> Thank you very much Ardy.  Now to get my vet to comply.
> 
> Lorrie
> -
> 
> On 05-19, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> > Hi Lorrie,
> >
> > I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond 
> > Back
> > Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't
> > remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in
> > liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the
> > salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he 
> > did
> > not try to avoid it. The company's website is
> > http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/   and their phone number is 
> > 866-578-4420.
> >
> > I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring.
> > The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually
> > also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them.
> > Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them
> > payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply.
> >
> > Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find
> > other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian".
> > Ardy
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Rachel Dagner]

I can tell you this is my first cat with Felv. They say with the vaccine it is 
becoming less common, sure doesn't feel that way does it?  Guinness world 
records recently announced the oldest living cat "Scooter" was 30 but he sadly 
passed away a few days after getting the title. The oldest recorded cat "Cream 
Puff" lived to be 38! I read they are doing some promising research on cats 
with FIP. I just hope it goes somewhere, and that they find something more 
promising for Felv someday. There is not nearly enough funding for kitty 
research. But they did find a human cure for hepatitis c which shows they can 
really do some amazing things, unfortunately research comes at a high price, it 
is like $100,000 for the medication and insurance is not covering it yet, which 
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Wouldn't it be cheaper to cure it than treat 
it over the long haul? It is three weeks worth of pills and like a 96% cure 
rate. Crazy. 

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> On May 20, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Wow - I am blown away by all of this..so really no test is reliable. My
> vet told me you test once and it may be unreliable so you test again 30 days
> later to be sure! Apparently you cannot ever be "sure". My vet also told me
> the vaccination for FeLV and FIP can be ineffective. So, basically any cat
> can have FeLV at any stage of their life, and testing is never a sure
> thing???
> 
> I am 65 and have never at any point in my life not had at least one cat, and
> usually two or three. With the exception of a few cats who had accidents
> when they were outside, all of my cats have always lived to be 19, 20, 21 -
> right in there. FeLV was never an issue that I knew of -  do you all feel
> that FeLV is on the rise?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Margo
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:51 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV
> 
> Lorrie wrote" A positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the
> virus all it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first
> year."
> 
> Or it seems that they can test negative, or "convert" to negative and yet
> still carry the virus in a dormant state, and while they will test negative
> by most means, may still re-convert to positive.
> 
> Mako is 15. His mother was FeLV-. He was tested at 8 weeks when neutered,
> and again at three months before he went into general population (he was not
> adopted). Both times he was negative. He occasionally had bloodwork over the
> years, and was negative in 2004 and in 2010 (when he blocked). In May of
> 2013, I noticed his pupils were unequal, and since anisocoria can be
> associated with FeLV, he was tested again. This time he was positive. He's
> still (knocking madly on wood) here, but we're on a downhill slide.
> 
> Gribble showed up in 2011 at about 8 months old. Negative. Re-test at 3
> months. Negative. Blocked, crashed Feb 2013. Diagnosed FeLV+ 3/2/2013.
> 
> Both have also tested + by Elisa.
> 
> So I don't trust any test. Nor do I believe that they are safe after a
> certain age. 
> 
> JME,
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Lorrie 
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 11:14 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV
>> 
>> Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home plus 
>> 28 more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats who 
>> have tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were 
>> isolated in our isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well I 
>> couldn't believe they had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
>> 8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any of 
>> these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia, 
>> cancer, or tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a 
>> worse time with FelV than grown cats because the immune system of 
>> kittens is not fully developed, and they usually die.  However, this 
>> isn't always the case.  We have two grown cats who tested positive as 
>> kittens and lived many years. One is about 9 now and seems fine, the 
>> other one seemed fine and suddenly just died with no signs of illness 
>> at all.  I do not know if these two cats converted back to negative or 
>> not, as they are/were sanctuary cats  who were born of a feral mother, 
>> and they were very skittish. Only one of them was tested again and she 
>> was still positive when spayed at two years old.
>> -
>> 
>> FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as 
>> possible about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A 
>> positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the virus all 
>> it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
>> -
>> 
>> I don't recall saying "most cats have converted af

Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do the
“what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we did
do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are
blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they
know is that we love them, and they love us.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Marsha
*Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM
*To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Roxanne,

My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany.  Noelle will be joining
her in a few hours.  Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:

Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately,
she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her
go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with
feline leuk.  I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a
journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is
what I should have done better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

So overwhelmingly heartbreaking, I am crying with you. I keep a journal of
Tucker's days too. I will be thinking of you both all day and sending
prayers for strength and peace for your heart.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it,
to tell him how I felt.  I did write a review in HealthGrades on him.  The
one other person gave him 5 stars.  I keep a journal for each of my cats
(I use Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or
interactions with other cats.  And when I am caring for a cat that is ill,
the journaling is daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to
be feeling, physical activity, etc.  Noelle has her final appointment late
this afternoon, near the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried
time, not squeezed between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now.

I named my Noelle because I got her in December.  She was eating food at
the colony I cared for.  A little friendlier than normal feral, but I
don't think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the
vet noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn
cat, since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms.  No one
claimed her.  She is probably related to several of my other cats,
including FeLV+ Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time.
Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice.  She was the first of the colony
that I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby
over white.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote:
> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd
> continue with this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping
> a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have
> a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.
> For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
> Sandy W
>
> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you
> said you have assisted with transfusions.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Marsha, I'm so sorry.
>>
>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for
>> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig
>> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
>>
>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are
>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told
>> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
>> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
>>
>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this
>> ...man...hold?
>>
>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any
>> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much
>> better place...
>>
>> Back after rounds
>>
>> Margo
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Marsha 
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on
>>> my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he
>>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and
>>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks
>>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much,
>>> etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take
in, he said, "Good for you!"
>>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement
>>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling
>>> more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I
>>> don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common
>>> sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would
>>> you treat it?
>>> Plus
>>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this
>>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to
>>> care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked
>>> common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of
>>> depression.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

[Rachel Dagner]

I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could do this
with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well)
Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy  Those
of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the
Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in
asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him
well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem until
yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is
the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the
present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY


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> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
>
>
> Ardy
>
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>
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> Of kat
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>
>
> Ardy,
>
>
> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said
> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some
> time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been
> to be so successful.
>
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
> From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
> To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat
> Sanctuary
>
> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most
> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean
> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ardy
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amy
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject:
> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Lorrie,
>
>
> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to
> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home.
> We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk
> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with
> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
> contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We
> always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days
> and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't
> going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in
> have converted after some time. We are always looking for more optio

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you 
have assisted with transfusions. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> Marsha, I'm so sorry. 
> 
> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He 
> does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far 
> from actual humans.
> 
> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling 
> with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself 
> up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing 
> it :(
> 
> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
> ...man...hold?
> 
> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many 
> "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better 
> place...
> 
> Back after rounds
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Marsha 
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
>> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me 
>> that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said 
>> he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - 
>> some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I 
>> wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more 
>> hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need 
>> that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a 
>> diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus 
>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care 
>> for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common 
>> sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> Rachel
>>> 
>>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>>> sake??
>>> 
>>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my 
>>> babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me 
>>> than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>>> 
>>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Oh Marsha, you don't need that counselor anyways. We all understand why you 
spent money on your animals. We have all done it. No counselor is going to give 
us the love and emotional peace that an animal does. I would agree that we all 
need to step back and take and take a look at what is financially possible in 
each of our life situations with regards to helping our animals. It doesn't 
matter if we are rich or poor we just all do the best we can, I for one will 
support you no matter what. Just like with Bob we have to help him do the best 
he can with his circumstances.  It doesn't matter if he fails or succeeds with 
his babies. What matters is that he tried and did the best he could for them 
when no one else would and that they got to experience love and caring when 
they might never have had that opportunity. I am heartbroken knowing you are 
having such a hard time, I am right there with you, just trying to take one day 
at a time and make it through. We will both survive this Marsha,
  it's so very hard, but we are both going to get through it just doing the 
best we can. 
Please talk to us whenever you need to, I promise to be here for you. 

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> On May 18, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that 
> I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said he loves 
> animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too 
> much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any 
> more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  All my brain processed was 
> the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental.  
> I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was 
> seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that 
> lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how 
> would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last 
> time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have 
> Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked 
> common sense 
 in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
>> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Rachel
>> 
>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>> sake??
>> 
>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, 
>> there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a 
>> poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>> 
>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>> 
>> Amani
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are 
watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me 
and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the 
strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Rachel
> 
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
> 
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
> 
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
>> tomorrow will be better.
>> 
>> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
>> and ease the way.
>> 
>> My thoughts are with you. 
>> 
>> Margo
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rachel Dagner 
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Lorrie
>>>> 
>>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the 
>>>> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
>>>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
>>>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
>>>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
>>>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry 
>>>> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the 
>>>> tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one 
>>>> reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
>>>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
>>>> again, this is an option.
>>>> 
>>>> Let us know when you find it. 
>>>> 
>>>> Amani
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Lorrie

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming to 
terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about everyone 
on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and how 
wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep going. I 
know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person who can't 
watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone to a funeral 
without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out eyes the next day. 
I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep searching for and pulling 
on that inner strength, and everyone on here is helping me do that, I am very 
grateful for each and every one of you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> tomorrow will be better.
> 
> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> and ease the way.
> 
> My thoughts are with you. 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Rachel Dagner 
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorrie
>>> 
>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly 
>>> to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I 
>>> used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy 
>>> for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary 
>>> pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol 
>>> (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. 
>>> They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go 
>>> for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously 
>>> it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>>> 
>>> Let us know when you find it. 
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Lorrie
>>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
>>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
>>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Ok thank you for sharing that with me, he just came out here on the porch and 
started playing with a toy so maybe I am over paranoid. I think I will take him 
in regardless. Remember when I took him at first and she had a hard time 
hearing his heart and the next time she could hear it fine and thought the mass 
had shrunk down? Well maybe if she listens to his heart it will help me decide 
if I want more prednisone and talk to her about Winstrol. I just wish blood 
work wasn't $150 each time. And weekly? Ouch.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the 
> surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old cat 
> with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of weight on 
> her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our home since 
> she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with radiation 
> therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing with this 
> giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. She was one 
> where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the Winstrol - I 
> discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back down to not so 
> bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver problems like 
> jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising her care is a 
> good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) knew of the 
> great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology at the 
> leading vet university
>  programme in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed 
> and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as 
> long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the 
> Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on 
> her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation 
> therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour 
> didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit of 
> anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the prednisone.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
>> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
>> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me 
>> to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in 
>> your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). 
>> You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to 
>> cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - 
>> you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give 
>> a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>> 
>> Let us know when you find it. 
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
>> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
>> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to 
> give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your 
> area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You 
> want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut 
> (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you 
> can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a 
> single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
> 
> Let us know when you find it. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Lorrie
> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

[Rachel Dagner]

everely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused
> the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear discharge which I
> wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts
> welcome...
>
> Bob
> Warwick NY
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> wrote:
>
>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
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>>
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>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."
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>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>3. Re: Cat Sanctuary (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> -
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root@pamxwww03-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> GOOD VET!
>>
>>  Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg
>>> and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he
>>> didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me
>>> if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside
>>> too.
>>> We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he
>>> could live three months or a long normal life there was just no
>>> telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or
>>> keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door
>>> and never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help
>>>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV.
>>>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you
>>>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets
>>>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them
>>>> in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a website
>>>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that
>>>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while I
>>>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets
>>>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in,
>>>> valuable time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking
>>>> a dive.
>>>> They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results.
>>>> I basically had to learn everything from reading online.  For
>>>> instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had
>>>> brought a stray into our house, and she was running up behi
>>  nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I
>> also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to
>> other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age
>> because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is
>> also how I found this group online.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn
>>>> the bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to
>>>> take a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a
>>>> way to get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in
>>>> Canada, but they were not able to ship into the US.  I live in
>>>> Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a
>>>> novice, I did not have the information I needed to make

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

[Rachel Dagner]

g an appt. to have blood work done to
> get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still
> be red and his paw pads have not  gotten lighter so I am hopeful that
> he is not severely anemic But have NO idea what might have caused
> the blood in his eye.  also there is some clear discharge which I
> wipe away several times during the day... Any thoughts
> welcome...
>
> Bob
> Warwick NY
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> wrote:
>
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>>
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>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."
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>>
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>>
>>1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>3. Re: Cat Sanctuary (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> -
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root@pamxwww03-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> GOOD VET!
>>
>>  Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg
>>> and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he
>>> didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me
>>> if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside
>>> too.
>>> We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he
>>> could live three months or a long normal life there was just no
>>> telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or
>>> keep Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door
>>> and never returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help
>>>> people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV.
>>>> Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you
>>>> are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets
>>>> even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them
>>>> in that day for euthanizing!  I said ?no?!  If there was a website
>>>> that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that
>>>> would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while I
>>>> was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets
>>>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in,
>>>> valuable time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were taking
>>>> a dive.
>>>> They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test results.
>>>> I basically had to learn everything from reading online.  For
>>>> instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had
>>>> brought a stray into our house, and she was running up behi
>>  nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I
>> also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to
>> other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age
>> because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is
>> also how I found this group online.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn
>>>> the bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to
>>>> take a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a
>>>> way to get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in
>>>> Canada, but 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Rachel Dagner]

I have read when a cat first contracts the virus there is a chance they
can fight it off and will no longer test positive, if it progresses to the
I think bone marrow? Then they will not ever get rid of it. There are two
tests one for if they have it and one for if they will always have it.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home plus 28
more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats who have
tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were isolated in our
isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well I couldn't believe
they had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any of
these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia, cancer,
or tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a worse time
with FelV than grown cats because the immune system of kittens is not
fully developed, and they usually die.  However, this isn't always the
case.  We have two grown cats who tested positive as kittens and lived
many years. One is about 9 now and seems fine, the other one seemed fine
and suddenly just died with no signs of illness at all.  I do not know if
these two cats converted back to negative or not, as they are/were
sanctuary cats  who were born of a feral mother, and they were very
skittish. Only one of them was tested again and she was still positive
when spayed at two years old.
-

FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as possible
about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A positive cat
can either convert to negative, or carry the virus all it's life and show
no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
-

I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as sadly
"most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats can live
with the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an awful virus, and
I'm sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't make it.

Lorrie
-

On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most
cats
>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean
they
>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] New Baby

[Rachel Dagner]

She sounds beautiful! I have one in my neighborhood that sounds just like her, 
pure white, with one green and one blue eye. Both the most beautiful colors you 
can imagine. I hope you get her soon. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know Rachel. The shelter that has her is a couple of hours from me, 
> and they are still trying to arrange transportation. They did send photos 
> though, and she is a pure white beauty with green AND blue eyes. I am anxious 
> to have her join my troupe.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-17-16 8:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
>  
> Amani when are you getting your cancer kitty? I am so sad we can't do 
> pictures here. I want to see everyone and their babies! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 17, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It 
> references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in 
> dengue fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused 
> by herpes.
>  
> As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics 
> obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. 
> They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication.
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
>  
> 
> 
> Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties 
> that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being 
> used in some trials for HIV. 
> 
> So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might 
> find this interesting;
> 
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979
> 
> I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid 
> to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. 
> Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have 
> used them successfully many times.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jane Gannon 
> Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy 
> 
> 
> 
> Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
> infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
> bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
> the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma 
> haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   
> I have had a couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   
> This disease is transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products 
> on our cats.  Doxy should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce 
> chance of vomiting.  It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after 
> pilling because it is possible for the tablets to become stuck in the 
> esophagus which can cause irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult 
> for your cat to swallow.  I crush it and mix it with water and syringe it. 
>  
> In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
> cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
> and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This 
> includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
> clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
> others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot 
> of other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can 
> be found on line. 
>  
> I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
> vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of 
> upper respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing 
> to get her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years 
> ago for another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on 
> Tootsie.  Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I 
> give her.  This is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite. 
>  
> Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
> recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eat

Re: [Felvtalk] doxy

[Rachel Dagner]

Amani when are you getting your cancer kitty? I am so sad we can't do pictures 
here. I want to see everyone and their babies! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It 
> references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in 
> dengue fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused 
> by herpes.
>  
> As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics 
> obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. 
> They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication.
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
>  
> 
> 
> Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties 
> that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being 
> used in some trials for HIV. 
> 
> So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might 
> find this interesting;
> 
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979
> 
> I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid 
> to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. 
> Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just  my paranoia, I know people who have 
> used them successfully many times.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jane Gannon 
> Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy 
> 
> 
> Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral 
> infections.  It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the 
> bacteria preventing them from  reproducing and allowing the body to fight off 
> the infection.  It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma 
> haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats   
> I have had a couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved.   
> This disease is transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products 
> on our cats.  Doxy should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce 
> chance of vomiting.  It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after 
> pilling because it is possible for the tablets to become stuck in the 
> esophagus which can cause irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult 
> for your cat to swallow.  I crush it and mix it with water and syringe it. 
>  
> In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the 
> cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats 
> and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script  This 
> includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), 
> clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and 
> others.  This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats.  She has alot 
> of other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can 
> be found on line. 
>  
> I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking.  She had 
> vomited for a couple of days before.  She had no fever and no symptoms of 
> upper respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing 
> to get her to eat.  Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years 
> ago for another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on 
> Tootsie.  Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I 
> give her.  This is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite. 
>  
> Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is 
> recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness.  She is not eating well 
> and I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of 
> days and was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works.
>  
> Jane
>  
> 
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>  
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[Felvtalk] Can you change your name on the mailing list?

[Rachel Dagner]

Ok, so I am the only person on this planet with my name, if you google me,
it’s me! Is there a way to change my name to just “Rachel”.  I know it is
might seem silly but I don’t want anyone lurking through my private life
who doesn’t need to be.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Website - Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/weebly-review/

If we do want to create one I think I like this one. (So easy even Amani can 
use!) It has a free service so you could play around with it risk free. Free 
services don't come up in search engines but you could always give people the 
address to find it or upgrade later. The thing I like about this one is that 
the website is mobile friendly and lord knows how much time we spend on our 
phones. Plus you can change the template anytime you want, which isn't 
available with some like Go Daddy. Also if you decide you want to take your 
site elsewhere you can export all of your data. Some companies don't let you do 
this and pretty much hold you hostage. Not cool.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2016, at 9:15 PM, kat  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> Instead of creating another website, why can't we use   
> http://felineleukemia.org/
> This is the website that our list master, James, created quite a while ago.
>  
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>  
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:08 PM
> From: "Amani Oakley" 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
> Hi Rachel
> 
>  
> 
> Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the 
> night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is 
> palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and 
> comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see 
> what I can do when she arrives.
> 
>  
> 
> I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the 
> necessary information to help others with FeLV cats.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
> 
>  
> 
> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours 
> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when 
> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart 
> and a beautiful soul. 
> 
>  
> 
> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
> of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
> where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good 
> at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rachel
> 
>  
> 
> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 
> 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as 
> my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t 
> get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I 
> don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to 
> court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the 
> world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. 
> Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical 
> Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to 
> do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work 
> all day TOO.
> 
>  
> 
> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it 
> comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information 
> about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible 
> objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop 
> their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not 
> being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be 
> avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol 
> sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that 
> when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has 
> failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, 
> but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and 
> gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that 
> there is nothing they have to offer, and no

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

ry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain..Making an 
appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and 
Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have no
 t gotten lighter so I am hopeful that he is not severely anemic But have 
NO idea what might have caused the blood in his eye.  also there is some 
clear discharge which I wipe away several times during the day... Any 
thoughts welcome...
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY
> 
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>>  1. Re: Amani thoughts for Winstrol (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>  2. Re: Kokonut Felv+ (dlg...@windstream.net)
>>  3. Re: Cat Sanctuary (dlg...@windstream.net)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:55:23 -0500
>> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> Message-ID: <20160516115523.U40WC.1807.root@pamxwww03-z01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> GOOD VET!
>> 
>>  Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I 
>>> took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots 
>>> for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv 
>>> vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and 
>>> it came back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long 
>>> normal life there was just no telling. She never even said the word 
>>> euthanize.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep 
>>> Annie, treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never 
>>> returned if he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
>>>> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you 
>>>> are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there 
>>>> are no options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home 
>>>> and get my other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I 
>>>> said ?no?!  If there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for 
>>>> treating the FeLV crises, that would be great! One of our vets then 
>>>> offered Interferon and while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, 
>>>> believing that the vets wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis 
>>>> he was in, valuable time was slipping away and Tigg?s blood counts were 
>>>> taking a dive. They didn?t really explain anything about the blood test 
>>>> results.  I basically had to learn everything from reading online.  For 
>>>> instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought 
>>>> a stray into our house, and she was running up be
 hi
>> nd Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  I also 
>> learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other cats, 
>> it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because their immune 
>> system can usually defend them from it.  That is also how I found this group 
>> online.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
>>>> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance 
>>>> on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, 
>>>> also known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but the

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Rachel Dagner]

It sounds just perfect to me. I am so glad you shared this with us. I have 
nothing but respect for you. It's not everyone who can find their calling and 
then just go for it, especially when that calling comes from love and caring 
and has nothing to do  with financial gain only the peace of mind that comes 
with knowing you are doing something good. I don't even know you and I am so 
proud of you! 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

>> 
>>   Lorrie,
>> 
>>   Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>> 
>>   Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
> Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
> 
> 
> I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
> next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
> big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
> but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
> just see a two story brick building not the inside.
> -
> 
> It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
> get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
> -
> 
> My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
> rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
> isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
> full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
> and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
> They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
> There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
> outside.
> 
> 
> The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
> upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
> cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
> Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
> beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
> walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room. 
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I took 
him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots for six 
months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I 
used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive 
:(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal life there was just 
no telling. She never even said the word euthanize.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, 
> treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never returned if 
> he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
> 
> 
>  Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
>> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
>> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
>> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
>> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
>> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
>> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and 
>> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time 
>> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t 
>> really explain anything about the blood test results.  I basically had to 
>> learn everything from reading online.  For instance I did not know that 
>> stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought a stray into our house, and 
>> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that 
>> was high.  I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus 
>> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of 
>> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is 
>> also how I found this group online.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
>> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on 
>> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also 
>> known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to 
>> ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. 
>>  Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
>> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do 
>> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a 
>> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online 
>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat 
>> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I 
>> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
>> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we 
>> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and 
>> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the 
>> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had 
>> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I 
>> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the 
>> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops 
>> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through 
>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly 
>> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
>> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
>> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably ma

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

 used which shipped to her 
> from another state.
>  
> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk 
> with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the way 
> of options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive and 
> certainly not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat down, 
> why not trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver 
> damage, and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that risk 
> but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often rise with the 
> use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials linking the use of 
> Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you are in charge. Of 
> course the vet can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can decide he/she 
> doesn’t want you for a client, so remain calm and not belligerent if you want 
> to avoid that outcome. I would like to think that most vets, when faced with 
> a logical, measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would 
> assist even if you don’t have their full support on the chosen treatment.
>  
> I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can be shared so 
> people know where they can go where they will get the support they need for 
> their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am 
> happy to provide them with my vet’s name and location. She is very kind, 
> really cares about my cats, and respects my input very much, so we get along 
> just fine. I have moved away from where the clinic is located and now have to 
> travel close to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going 
> through the same battle with another vet right now, so I’ll stick to the ones 
> who have known me for decades and respect my decisions.
>  
> Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol. I used 
> prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have problems passing 
> stool for a while and research online shows that FeLV affects the intestinal 
> walls as well – metoclopramide was VERY helpful to get the stool moving 
> regularly and I believe without the stool sitting still in one area of the 
> intestinal tract, it took away the environment which encouraged the 
> intestinal walls to be attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I 
> was trying help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so as 
> to “pick our battles”, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead of the 
> Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that antibiotics 
> don’t kill viruses, and I couldn’t remember why Doxycycline was so important. 
> I figured I had used it for covering for potential secondary infections. 
> However, after seeing some blasts showing up on the blood work, I 
> reconsidered and remembered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA 
> synthesis, which is how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was 
> working to restore progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells 
> produced, the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to reproduce 
> unchecked.
>  
> And Rachel – I am not “that” kind of a lawyer, so I can’t defend you from a 
> drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I promise to get you 
> help should you end up in trouble because of my preaching about WinstrolJ. I 
> am a medical malpractice lawyer - Google me – I figured I would put my 
> scientific and medical knowledge to good use when I left the medical field 
> behind.
>  
> See – not all lawyers are bad!
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>  
> Good Morning Amani,
>  
> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>  
> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get 
> their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking 
> that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this 
> route, you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood 
> test results and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that 
> make Winstrol. You could then send the file to people to take with them to 
> their vets. The more vets that try it and see results the more likely they 
> are to try it again and share their experience with other vets. 
>  
> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, 
> and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it.
>  
> Option one sounds a little more promising though.
>  
> Rachel 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

Lorrie, 

That is awesome! And YOU are awesome. I understand why you can't do the more 
expensive treatments for all of those kitties. I am sure it is hard just to 
keep them all fed! You are a kitty savior, no doubt. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2016, at 5:46 PM, kat  wrote:
> 
> Lorrie,
>  
> Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>  
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>  
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 5:21 PM
> From: Lorrie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany
> On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> 
> > ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM.
> 
> Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with
> 13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary.
> 
> Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a
> sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in
> town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats.
> The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have
> completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat
> posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All
> are neutered or spayed of course!
> 
> I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Olivia, 

So sorry your baby isn't feeling good. Syringe feeding in very important are 
you using the ad hills food? I know it's hard to get a lot of food in and this 
is high calorie. When I was syringe feeding Tucker I took him to get fluids 
under the skin a couple of times and my vet only charges $14 to do it. My 
thoughts are that vets treat the symptoms but sometimes forget that we also 
need to treat the underlying problems. Which in our case is felv which causes a 
poor immune system.  
I would say find something to boost the immune system as well. Since you are 
syringing you can just add supplements right to the food. I syringe Tucker a 
tiny bit of food twice everyday mixed with his supplements. My suggestion would 
be if cost is an issue to try something like Life Gold immunity. It equals out 
to about $10 a month, if you have deeper pockets I would do Vitality Science 
Advanced Immune Support, both of these companies offer a ninety day money back 
guarantee. You can do some research on products look and the ingredients and 
find something you feel comfortable with. I would give supplements not only 
while sick but as a maintenance to keep my kitties immune system strong, and 
fighting. I hope kokonut feels better soon and starts eating on her own. Keep 
us posted! 

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> On May 14, 2016, at 9:56 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.
> 
>  Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
>> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
>> fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo 
>> medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just 
>> been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been 
>> syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any other 
>> recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon has anybody 
>> else experienced this? whats to be expected?
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Ugh! Well maybe armed with a packet from Amani and possibly a new vet... 
Unfortunately I think you have to have someone call it in for you, and that is 
the big problem with getting it. I think if I went to my vet with the 
information and said this is what I need to try and why, she would totally let 
me do it. After all, we could monitor for results and possible side effects and 
move to something else if needed. 

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> On May 14, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Great idea Rachel.  I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol,
> as my vet is totally against it.
> -
> 
> I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer,
> and having Amani defend you!
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
>> On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote:
>>   Good Morning Amani,
>> 
>>   I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>> 
>>   I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to
>>   get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was
>>   thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us
>>   looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have
>>   tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets,
>>   along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the
>>   file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try
>>   it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share
>>   their experience with other vets.
>> 
>>   My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug
>>   dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a
>>   book about it.
>> 
>>   Option one sounds a little more promising though.
>> 
>>   Rachel
> 
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[Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Good Morning Amani,

I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!

I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get their 
vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking that 
maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this route, 
you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood test results 
and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. 
You could then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The 
more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to try it again 
and share their experience with other vets. 

My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, and 
if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it.

Option one sounds a little more promising though.

Rachel 

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[Felvtalk] Ardy please don't think I am crazy!

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Ardy,



I have been thinking about you a lot, and wanted to share something with
you, even at the risk of you and everyone else thinking I am crazy.



Many years ago my Mom lost her golden retriever Buffy. She had a really
rough time with it. One day she called me and told me she had a dream the
night before, and Buffy came to her, she was young and healthy and had her
happy golden face on. She didn’t say anything, I guess because dogs can’t
talk. But Mom felt she was trying to tell her that she was ok now, and
happy and not to worry or be sad. I didn’t really know what to think about
her dream, but was grateful it made her feel better.



My Grandma passed away several years ago, and Mom was going through all of
the very strong emotions we feel when having to endure such a loss.  A few
days after she passed my Mom was in her car getting ready to leave the
house and she remembered she had wanted to water her plants. While she was
in her back yard a big beautiful butterfly came along and was following her
along and landing nearby her. It continued to do this for quite some time.
She took a picture and sent it to me and told me she knew it was strange
but she had a strong feeling it had something to do with Grandma. We later
read somewhere that butterflies can be used as spiritual messengers.



About a year ago, my very good friends Mother in law passed away. He told
me, you know it is really weird Rachel, we were out in the garden and there
were so many butterflies today. The Mother in law had loved butterflies and
had pictures of them in her room. He told me they thought it was really
beautiful and made them think of her. So I told him about mom and her
butterfly and what we had read, and we were both like…h.



So even though everyone might think I am crazy, I hope we all are lucky
enough to get a sign or message that makes us feel more at peace.  I can
just imagine Tigger, with all of the mischief you told us he got into,
running around and having the time of his life, and not having time yet to
send a message.
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[Felvtalk] A book for Amani?

[Rachel Dagner]

Amani you are a lawyer aren’t you? I don’t know if you are into reading as
a way to de-stress, but I just came across a book that made me think of
you. It is called Lawyer for the Cat. It’s about a little black cat who’s
owner left him a multimillion dollar estate including in plantation in
Charleston, and the lawyer who represents him. I think I will download it
this weekend, I need something distract me for awhile.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs
and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave
me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am
not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in
case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin
where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us
like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is
dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to
me.


--

*From: *Ardy Robertson ;
*To: *;
*Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
*Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM



Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think
if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona –
a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.



I hope Tiffany is doing better!



Ardy





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] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
*To:* Felvtalk 
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone believes in
holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats eating again,
and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back guarantee in the
event it does not work for you. I have been giving this to Tucker. Also you
can look into dandelion root, someone suggested it for me when Tucker
wasn’t eating, and I have found some good information out there that it is
helpful with anemia too.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs
and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave
me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am
not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in
case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin
where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us
like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is
dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to
me.


--

*From: *Ardy Robertson ;
*To: *;
*Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
*Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM



Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think
if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona –
a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.



I hope Tiffany is doing better!



Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
*To:* Felvtalk 
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

How horrible they make you feel that way! Some people are just ignorant,
and not much we can do about that. Vets are here to help us care for our
sick animals not make us feel worse. Shameful. Have they suggested AD
prescription diet from Hills? It is high calorie and easy to syringe
because of the consistency. There are some good videos on You Tube showing
you exactly how to do it. I had to syringe feed Tucker AD for awhile until
he started eating again. You could try this first instead of the tube.
Sometimes after syringing awhile cats will even eat the AD on their own. Or
hopefully feel better as they improve and get their appetite back.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs
and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave
me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am
not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in
case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin
where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us
like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is
dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to
me.


--

*From: *Ardy Robertson ;
*To: *;
*Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
*Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM



Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think
if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona –
a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.



I hope Tiffany is doing better!



Ardy





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] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
*To:* Felvtalk 
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

Sorry that Tiffany isn’t doing well, so sad, and scary I know. Yes, they
can live awhile and some for a long time. I looked up Epogen (because I
never heard of it).



EPOGEN® is a prescription medicine used to treat a lower than normal number
of red blood cells (anemia) caused by chronic kidney disease in patients on
dialysis to reduce or avoid the need for red blood cell transfusions.



As Armani says, if you can find the Winstrol that is for sure worth a shot
as we have seen positive results.





NVH Tripsy is natural remedy if you want to add something like that. There
are a lot of people who say it has really helped with their kitties very
serious kidneys and urinary problems, so maybe, I am not an expert on
anemia, but it says it has to do with the kidneys...?  My kitty takes it in
hopes of preventing struvite crystals.



Whatever you decide to do, I will pray that little Tiffany hangs in there
and starts feeling better soon. Please keep us updated.



Rachel







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*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:57 PM
*To:* Felvtalk
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
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diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Rachel Dagner]

I am so very sorry Ardy. What a blessing that he got to be at home and with his 
family at the end. Feline Leukemia is a hard battle to fight, and a million 
times harder to win. I hope that someday they do more research on  Winstrol and 
other protocols that will help those like us in the future. Tigger was so lucky 
to have you as his mommy, you went above and beyond what many would do for 
their kitty, you fought a good fight, you should not question it for even one 
second. I believe with all of my heart that our spirits human and furry alike 
are always here with us, and that when it is our time we will all be reunited. 
I pray that time and all of your wonderful memories of Tigger will help to ease 
your pain. 

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> On May 9, 2016, at 11:31 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> I am still beyond heart-broken at Tigger's loss. Ardy was and is amazing - so 
> dedicated and loving to Tigger. As that sad and so-true saying goes, "if love 
> could have saved you, you would have lived forever". 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: May-09-16 8:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
> 
> Hi Rachel and everyone on this site,
> 
> Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday 
> morning stroll and then asking for a snack!
> 
> Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been 
> able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I 
> have been planning to send a message about him, here goes  Tigger was 
> doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, 
> eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. 
> His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly 
> flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his 
> report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was 
> seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday 
> evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not 
> want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during 
> the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He 
> passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we 
> love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. 
> He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and 
> needles such as blood draws.
> 
> I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, 
> along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made 
> it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than 
> Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are 
> a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the 
> Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that 
> the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than 
> euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little 
> orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago.
> 
> I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with 
> her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise 
> in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the 
> roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing 
> with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him.
> 
> For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there 
> will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, 
> we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open 
> windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to 
> lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he 
> would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the 
> cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, 
> but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back.
> 
> I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your 
> suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the 
> five wonderful years Tigger spent with us!
> 
> Thank you,
> Ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Rachel Dagner]

Cats. You gotta love them! Ouch on your broken arm, that makes EVERYTHING
more difficult. Ugh.

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From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Rachel Dagner
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

How many times has someone gotten out and I spent hours wandering up and
down the road calling, hoping and prying, no results.  I come in, give up
and then notice the culprit standing at the window scratching at it and
meowing, acting like i had pushed them out and refused to let them in. At
this point, I do not know if I should punish them or pick them up and love
the life out of them.  Dee did this the other day and she never runs of,
always wants back in within 1/2 hour.  And me with a broken arm, having to
use a cane!  I wanted to kill her but was so glad she was back home all I
could do was hug her.

---- Rachel Dagner  wrote:
> My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one
> sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him,
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do
his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my
worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would
get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I
know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is
impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open
for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes
it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to
improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is
an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune
system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle
and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also
used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia.
Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the
two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY
different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good
response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one
sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with
the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper
them off as you do with people and dogs).

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t requir

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Rachel Dagner]

My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him,
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do
his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my
worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would
get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I
know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is
impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open
for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes
it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to
improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is
an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune
system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle
and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also
used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia.
Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the
two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY
different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good
response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one
sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with
the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper
them off as you do with people and dogs).

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to
discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even
after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something
else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my
cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have
done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if
someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support
them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I
pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he defies the odds and
lasts as long as he would have with Chemo. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you, that is very valuable information on the difference, I am not as
confused now. The damp down the immune system is the only thing I am
concerned about with prednisone, but if keeps him from blocking that is
definitely the most important thing, if he can't urinate the cancer kind of
becomes a moot point.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is
an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune
system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle
and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also
used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia.
Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the
two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY
different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good
response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one
sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with
the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper
them off as you do with people and dogs).

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to
discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even
after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something
else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my
cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have
done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if
someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support
them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I
pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he defies the odds and
lasts as long as he would have with Chemo. My parents did (very
expensive)chemo on two of their cats, and they did not do well, they
suffered as my parents had a hard time giving up, they live with a lot of
guilt for the lack of QOL. I know this is not always the case and many
animals do extremely well and even go into remission, you just never know
how an animal will respond or how long they will last. If Tucker does not
continue to do well on his current path I might consider trying traditional,
if I can somehow do it through my vet, you never know I am only on day 17
and it has been a rough journey. It would cost me about 1,000.00 just to go
and get an ultrasound and biopsy from a specialist, and I am not by any
means w

Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

[Rachel Dagner]

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to
discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even
after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something
else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my
cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have
done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if
someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support
them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I
pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he defies the odds and
lasts as long as he would have with Chemo. My parents did (very
expensive)chemo on two of their cats, and they did not do well, they
suffered as my parents had a hard time giving up, they live with a lot of
guilt for the lack of QOL. I know this is not always the case and many
animals do extremely well and even go into remission, you just never know
how an animal will respond or how long they will last. If Tucker does not
continue to do well on his current path I might consider trying traditional,
if I can somehow do it through my vet, you never know I am only on day 17
and it has been a rough journey. It would cost me about 1,000.00 just to go
and get an ultrasound and biopsy from a specialist, and I am not by any
means wealthy and have pulled a significant amount from my retirement
account to try to save Tucker from his urinary issues, and that turned out
bad anyways. Thank you for the info and understanding Margo and I will for
sure check out Holisticat as well.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 7:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless


It's very personal, and sometimes difficult choice. I don't know what my
choice would be for me, but for my animals I have chosen chemo in many
cases, and likely will again.

I'm also not sure it's fair to compare "human" chemo protocols to those used
in Veterinary Medicine. For the Vets, the goal is to extend QUALITY life,
not necessarily cure. So the treatments are calibrated to balance the
positive and the negative. For humans, it's an all out attempt to kill the
cancer without killing the patient, but they pretty much push it to the edge
of what people will/can tolerate. For animals, it's to find the highest dose
they can tolerate WITHOUT compromising QOL. I had a great Vet, who would use
the allopathic chemos, and back it up with Traditional Chinese Medicine and
alternative options. She was trained in both and had no problem using them
in a complimentary manner.

I understand choosing not to use chemo, and while I would encourage someone
to research and consider, I would TRY not to push. If it's the yahoo Feline
Lymphoma Group, yes, they can be pushy. I think it's because they have seen
such good results that they can't understand someone who won't even do a
trial. But they should back off when asked, and hopefully send the person

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

[Rachel Dagner]

Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even
after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something
else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my
cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have
done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if
someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support
them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I
pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he defies the odds and
lasts as long as he would have with Chemo. My parents did (very
expensive)chemo on two of their cats, and they did not do well, they
suffered as my parents had a hard time giving up, they live with a lot of
guilt for the lack of QOL. I know this is not always the case and many
animals do extremely well and even go into remission, you just never know
how an animal will respond or how long they will last. If Tucker does not
continue to do well on his current path I might consider trying traditional,
if I can somehow do it through my vet, you never know I am only on day 17
and it has been a rough journey. It would cost me about 1,000.00 just to go
and get an ultrasound and biopsy from a specialist, and I am not by any
means wealthy and have pulled a significant amount from my retirement
account to try to save Tucker from his urinary issues, and that turned out
bad anyways. Thank you for the info and understanding Margo and I will for
sure check out Holisticat as well.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 7:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless


It's very personal, and sometimes difficult choice. I don't know what my
choice would be for me, but for my animals I have chosen chemo in many
cases, and likely will again.

I'm also not sure it's fair to compare "human" chemo protocols to those used
in Veterinary Medicine. For the Vets, the goal is to extend QUALITY life,
not necessarily cure. So the treatments are calibrated to balance the
positive and the negative. For humans, it's an all out attempt to kill the
cancer without killing the patient, but they pretty much push it to the edge
of what people will/can tolerate. For animals, it's to find the highest dose
they can tolerate WITHOUT compromising QOL. I had a great Vet, who would use
the allopathic chemos, and back it up with Traditional Chinese Medicine and
alternative options. She was trained in both and had no problem using them
in a complimentary manner.

I understand choosing not to use chemo, and while I would encourage someone
to research and consider, I would TRY not to push. If it's the yahoo Feline
Lymphoma Group, yes, they can be pushy. I think it's because they have seen
such good results that they can't understand someone who won't even do a
trial. But they should back off when asked, and hopefully send the person to
a different source. Does HolistiCat still exist? They used to have a wide
range of opinions. Okay, yup!

http://www.holisticat.com/en/

If you haven't already tried them, they might be more supportive of your
decisions.

In any case, I hope that you find a way...

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: May 6, 2016 2:40 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>
>Do what you think is best for both of you.  I will always avoid chemo and
>the "proven" treatments because of my own experience with chemo.  I will
>never go through that again nor wold I put anyone I love through it.  Firt,
>all the chemos they used on me did not work, all that suffering for
>nothing.  My oncologist has agreed that if it comes back, she will follow
>me on my choice of alternaitive medicine.  Drs. only accept their ways,
>chemo, surgery and radiation.
>
> Amani Oakley  wrote:
>> I agree Rachel. We have all posted about different treatments, and our
>> experiences with them, but it is up to everyone to decide how they want
>> to proceed.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of swacht
>> Sent: May-05-16 8:49 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>>
>> Rachel please don’t apologize - I can't speak for everyone else - but
>> I'll bet everyone has walked in your shoes - you have every right to be
>> upset - it is a shame everyone doesn't understand - but this group does.
>> Hang in there.
>> Sandy W
>>
>> -

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

[Rachel Dagner]

 
Thank you everyone I am feeling better this morning your kind words mean the 
world to me.

One of my girlfriends had a double mastectomy and chemo and thank god she has 
been cancer free for four years. She also said if it comes back she will not do 
chemo again only alternative.

I might have already told you this so I am sorry if I am repeating (and that my 
post is so long!) Tucker had a urinary blockage, and it resulted in a catheter 
being placed at the emergency vet to save his life. When they removed the 
catheter he blocked right back up. I opted to do the pu surgery where they 
remove the penis and pull the urethra to make it wider, it was either this or 
put him down. A month or so after the surgery he blocked. I took him in and 
they could not insert a catheter, the hole had completely closed. I opted to 
redo the surgery, again it was life or death. The dr was worried he would not 
be able to pull the urethra any more as he really stretched it the first time. 
Luckily he was able to pull it past the stricture. Unfortunately the opening 
again closed quite a bit, even smaller than before surgeries, but he can still 
urinate.  He is prone to UTIs which causes crystals which in turn cause 
blockages. So I have an arsenal of meds on hand from my vet so I can treat him 
at the first sign of infection. He only eats him prescription food and I give 
him glucosamine every day. Needless to say I was in a constant state of worry 
even before the lymphoma diagnosis.
So if we didn't already have this life threatening problem and I hadn't already 
spent over 8,000 of my retirement money I probably would have jumped right on 
the chemo. 

And I still think anyone who's cats immunity is suffering because of felv 
should try the life gold, or ES clear.  It is $30 and lasts three months. It 
has a money back 90 day guarantee. I found this story on the Internet and 
decided to try the treatment plan. Yes, it might not work and chances are that 
I will lose my baby due to a blockage or the cancer but today he feels great, 
and I have a tiny bit of hope. Here is the link to the story it included chemo 
that unfortunately  didn't work and a last ditch effort holistic approach that 
by some miracle saved the day. 

http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2013/06/from-incurable-to-cancer-free-in-one-year-how-nate-the-cat-survived-high-grade-lymphoma/

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2016, at 2:40 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Do what you think is best for both of you.  I will always avoid chemo and the 
> "proven" treatments because of my own experience with chemo.  I will never go 
> through that again nor wold I put anyone I love through it.  Firt, all the 
> chemos they used on me did not work, all that suffering for nothing.  My 
> oncologist has agreed that if it comes back, she will follow me on my choice 
> of alternaitive medicine.  Drs. only accept their ways, chemo, surgery and 
> radiation.  
> 
>  Amani Oakley  wrote: 
>> I agree Rachel. We have all posted about different treatments, and our 
>> experiences with them, but it is up to everyone to decide how they want to 
>> proceed.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> swacht
>> Sent: May-05-16 8:49 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>> 
>> Rachel please don’t apologize - I can't speak for everyone else - but I'll 
>> bet everyone has walked in your shoes - you have every right to be upset - 
>> it is a shame everyone doesn't understand - but this group does.  Hang in 
>> there.
>> Sandy W
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:39 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>> 
>> That is wonderful they stayed negative. My mom told me not to take in 
>> anymore strays after what I have been through with Tucker. And I admit it 
>> has been so hard and sad and stressful, not to mention crazy expensive. But 
>> if Tucker goes (ok now I am crying again!) , if another cat comes along and 
>> looks at me and asks for help I wouldn't hesitate, through health problems, 
>> heartache or whatever. I joined another support group today for lymphoma and 
>> I have gotten the opposite of support because I don't have him on chemo. I 
>> feel like I have gotten the opposite of support everywhere I have turned 
>> online, except my friends and family. I feel really hurt by how unfeeling 
>> humans can be. I guess that's why I love animals so much. Tucker is out here 
>> on my screened porch with m

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

[Rachel Dagner]

That is wonderful they stayed negative. My mom told me not to take in anymore 
strays after what I have been through with Tucker. And I admit it has been so 
hard and sad and stressful, not to mention crazy expensive. But if Tucker goes 
(ok now I am crying again!) , if another cat comes along and looks at me and 
asks for help I wouldn't hesitate, through health problems, heartache or 
whatever. I joined another support group today for lymphoma and I have gotten 
the opposite of support because I don't have him on chemo. I feel like I have 
gotten the opposite of support everywhere I have turned online, except my 
friends and family. I feel really hurt by how unfeeling humans can be. I guess 
that's why I love animals so much. Tucker is out here on my screened porch with 
me happy as a clam, probably wondering why I can't quit crying. It's time for 
me to give him his worst parent in the world treatment. Maybe I should get off 
of all of these "support" groups. They are making me miserable. Sorry, I know I 
totally barged in and vented on this post. I am just feeling really upset.

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> On May 5, 2016, at 8:10 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> I mix my positive with my 3 negatives and for 5 years, none of them have 
> turned.  I agree that if she turned them over, he/she would be euthanized 
> just because of the FELV.  It is a shame that more vets are not up to date on 
> info about this.
> 
> 
>  "Katherine K."  wrote: 
>> I messaged with someone from the group who has talked to Sharon, although
>> not in the last couple of days. She does not want to surrender her animals
>> to Charleston Animal Society because they would require her to sign a form
>> stating they could be euthanized if sick. She most likely has the FeLV
>> positive cat mixed with the negatives. The positive cat needs vet care. She
>> needs to rehome some of her pets because there are pet limits for most of
>> the housing assistance places that were suggested by this other person. The
>> positive cat is probably the least likely to find a home  (Assuming the
>> other 4 are still negative) so maybe folks on this list can help network
>> him. He is 9 yrs old, tuxedo, named Thomas. If you'd like a photo, email me
>> off list.
>> 
>> Thank you Amani and Margo for your help so far!
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just looked up Rustic Hollow, what a wonderful place! I wish I could quit
>>> my job and go live there myself! Or if one of these darn lotto tickets
>>> would
>>> come through I could start my own maybe Sandy Paws of Florida.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>>> dlg...@windstream.net
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:57 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>>> 
>>> How well I know.  Having to pay for a new roof hs put me close to that
>>> point.  I am minding my finances and not buying anything until I get past
>>> the roof, hospital (fell and broke arm)copays.  It can happen so fast.
>>> When
>>> I get bck on my feet, will try to help her.  This has been my greatest
>>> fear,
>>> what would happen to my 4 cats if something hqppened to me.  Trying to set
>>> up an account to transport them to Rustic Hollow and pay for their care
>>> when
>>> they get there.
>>> 
>>>  Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>>> Hi Margo
>>>> 
>>>> I intend to raise enough money to give them a decent enough cushion to
>>> pay
>>>> for those monthly amounts, for at least one year, and hopefully two. I am
>>>> great at online auctions, so if they have those in the nearby
>>> communities,
>>>> I can easily pick up good furniture/dishes, etc., for low numbers, so
>>> that
>>>> shouldn’t be a big issue.
>>>> 
>>>> I figure that this woman was renting so there must be some source of
>>> money
>>>> in the future. If she and her son have enough of a cushion, this helps
>>>> people catch their breath and get back on their feet. It is easy to get a
>>>> little bit behind every week on bills and expenses, until suddenly it
>>>> becomes an insurmountable amount. If she was looking after these animals
>>>> and her son, there was obviously some money for food, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Amani
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Fe

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

[Rachel Dagner]

I just looked up Rustic Hollow, what a wonderful place! I wish I could quit
my job and go live there myself! Or if one of these darn lotto tickets would
come through I could start my own maybe Sandy Paws of Florida.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

How well I know.  Having to pay for a new roof hs put me close to that
point.  I am minding my finances and not buying anything until I get past
the roof, hospital (fell and broke arm)copays.  It can happen so fast.  When
I get bck on my feet, will try to help her.  This has been my greatest fear,
what would happen to my 4 cats if something hqppened to me.  Trying to set
up an account to transport them to Rustic Hollow and pay for their care when
they get there.

 Amani Oakley  wrote:
> Hi Margo
>
> I intend to raise enough money to give them a decent enough cushion to pay
> for those monthly amounts, for at least one year, and hopefully two. I am
> great at online auctions, so if they have those in the nearby communities,
> I can easily pick up good furniture/dishes, etc., for low numbers, so that
> shouldn’t be a big issue.
>
> I figure that this woman was renting so there must be some source of money
> in the future. If she and her son have enough of a cushion, this helps
> people catch their breath and get back on their feet. It is easy to get a
> little bit behind every week on bills and expenses, until suddenly it
> becomes an insurmountable amount. If she was looking after these animals
> and her son, there was obviously some money for food, etc.
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Margo
> Sent: May-05-16 12:01 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>
>
> I will be happy to help (although humans aren't usually my thing ).
>
> My concern is how the family will cope in the future. Can they afford the
> $350 a month, plus utilities, food and pet food? Would this be "rented" to
> them, or lent, or rent with option? I'm not trying to be a wet blanket,
> but even tho I'm also in SC, I'm to far to be of actual on-site use.
>
> I just want to try to make this a re-homing, not just a foster situation.
> Told you people aren't my forte...
>
> Margo
> -Original Message-
> From: Amani Oakley
> Sent: May 5, 2016 11:32 AM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>
>
> Hi Katherine
>
> I have not heard from Sharon, but I have heard back from my former client
> in South Carolina, who has done a lot of research for me (bless her soul)
> and come up with a number of options. The best one she presented to me was
> a 2 bedroom used mobile home in Summerville for about $7,000 U.S. This is
> obviously quite inexpensive, and she says it probably needs new carpeting
> and a new air conditioning system, but probably for about $10,000 to
> $12,000 U.S., with furniture, it is a good option. There is also a monthly
> fee for the lot, which is usually around $350 a month but it is already in
> a trailer park and wouldn’t have to be moved.
>
> This is a totally do-able target number for me. If I can hear from her
> regarding whether she is in favour of this option, I can get to work to
> get that mobile home for her.
>
> I hate to rely upon you to be the go-between, and if you are unable to do
> that, I will have to venture onto Facebook, regardless of my concerns. Let
> me know.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Katherine K.
> Sent: May-03-16 1:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless
>
> I hear you. I will private message her. I did find a GoFundMe page she
> started -- without much luck it seems.
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Amani Oakley
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> Katherine
>
> I don’t go on Facebook very often. I will try to get to it but I am not
> very comfortable with it – they keep way too much of your personal
> information and track everything about you. Can you privately message her
> and provide her with my email address? I don’t want it posted publicly
> since obviously, every single person in the world with a difficult
> situation will be contacting me and I harbour enough guilt in my soul as
> it is.
>
> Is there someone else in South Carolina, close to her, with whom I can
> collaborate to perhaps find a used trailer she can live in with the
> animals and her son? I would be willing to spearhead some fundraising.
>
> Amani
>
> From: Felvtalk
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> On

Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Tigger's Condition

[Rachel Dagner]

Wow! That is an amazing story! So glad you are here to tell it. I am hoping by 
boosting Tucker's immune system I can help his body kick into fighting mode. 
What is really weird is that his blood work is all completely normal. My vet 
told me sometimes it is even with cancer. I guess the only way I will be able 
to tell if he is improving is do another X-ray in several months and see if it 
looks the same. 

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> On Apr 29, 2016, at 5:53 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> when i had lyphoma, the last chemo knocked my red cells down and the dr 
> stopped it.  i am wondering if this would help humans fighting lyphoma and 
> chemo?  what is it's shelf life?  might not hurt to have some on hand just in 
> case.  YES, i would be willing to try it siince the dr. told me none of the 
> chemos did any good nd i was back to 3 months.  1 year later i went into 
> spontaneous remission and have been there now for 10 years.  maybe if we had 
> ghone with winstrol to begin with.
> 
> 
>  Amani Oakley  wrote: 
>> Hi Everyone
>> 
>> With Ardy's permission, I want to share with everyone, the very promising 
>> results we have gotten with the use of Winstrol.
>> 
>> When Ardy first contacted me, she provided me with Tigger's lab results. As 
>> Ardy has mentioned, the results were pretty grim. The key findings for me 
>> were:
>> 
>> March 12/16 Red Cells:  1.07(RR: 5-10)
>>Haematocrit 6.3 (RR: 30.0 - 45.0%)
>>Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1)
>>Reticulocyte5.2%
>>WBC 3.3 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5)
>>%Neutrophils16.4%
>>%Lymphocytes64.0%
>>%Monocytes
>>NRBCNone recorded
>> 
>> Even though there are no reference ranges listed for the percentage 
>> distribution of neutrophils and lymphocytes, I know this distribution 
>> pattern is abnormal. There should be more neutrophils and lymphocytes in 
>> cats, with the ratio being something like 1.8/1, so maybe 45% neutrophils 
>> and 25% to 35% lymphocytes would be the kind of range one would like to see. 
>> The very high lymphocyte count here (higher than the neutrophils) suggests 
>> these are leukemic cells - ie abnormal lymphocytes produced as a result of 
>> the viral infection.
>> 
>> Ardy frantically tried all kinds of places to get the Winstrol and she was 
>> finally able to get some and start Tigger on it, on March 15 - so three days 
>> after this blood work was drawn.
>> 
>> The next set of blood results showed an slight increase in red cells, a 
>> significant increase in the haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocytes, and a 
>> reversion of the neutrophil/lymphocyte distribution to what one would prefer 
>> to see.
>> 
>> March 25/16 Red Cells   1.70(RR: 5-10)
>>Haematocrit 14.1(RR: 30.0 - 45%)
>>Haemoglobin 4.6 (RR: 9.0 - 15.1)
>>Reticulocyte(Not done)
>>WBC 3.1 (RR: 5.5 - 19.5)
>>%Neutrophils43%
>>%Lymphocytes20%
>>%Monocytes  26%
>>%Blasts 9%
>>NRBC9/100 WBC   (Normal is 0)
>> 
>> 
>> So we started to see a slight increase in the red cell count (which although 
>> it still is well out of reference range, is a 70% in increase from the 
>> previous awful result. The haematocrit more than doubled. The haemoglobin 
>> stayed about the same. The reticulocyte level wasn't done but we started to 
>> see nucleated red blood cells (NRBC) appearing, which are immature red cells 
>> which still have their nuclei - mature red cells do not have nuclei. This 
>> indicates they are being pushed out early by the bone marrow in response to 
>> the low red cell count. The neutrophil/lymphocyte ratio has normalized, but 
>> the monocytes are quite high (usually are low like 2% or so) and are 
>> indicative of an inflammatory process going on. The total white cell count 
>> was still lower than the reference range, suggesting a depression of this 
>> cell line as well.
>> 
>> Not surprisingly, the pathologist who reviewed this set of blood results 
>> said (in part) the following: "This anemia appears NON-REGENERATIVE, and 
>> although I can't confirm the exact cause based on this CBC alone, given this 
>> appearance, and especially the macrocytosis [elevated monocytes] and 
>> metarubricytosis [presence of lots of nucleated red blood cells] and in the 
>> face of minimal polychromasia, FeLV is my top differential. . . . The blasts 
>> noted do appear consistent with lymphoblasts. . . While they could be 
>> neoplastic, their overall concentration is small, and I could not confirm 
>> neoplasia as seen here."
>> 
>> In the meantime, Ardy was reporting that Tigger was not needing as much pain 
>> medication (or any at all), and began to eat on his own.
>> 
>> 
>> The last set of b

Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

[Rachel Dagner]

I am very sorry for your loss, you were the best mommy Brock could have asked 
for. 

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> On Apr 29, 2016, at 6:29 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon.  This morning he didn't get out 
> of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, and his third 
> eyelids were showing.  He did eat all the food I brought him though - he 
> licked off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on the lounge chair.  We 
> did half, then the other half later.  I visited with him a lot.  He spent 
> most of his time in his lounge chair on his fleece blanket, but once he got 
> down and took a short stroll through his domain.  Usually I am in the lounge 
> chair, with Brock on my lap.  Such a tired boy; his bone marrow was no longer 
> working as it should - low RBC, WBC, and platelets, and not making new.  He 
> had Feline Leukemia Virus, survived a year with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy & 
> CHF, and just recently developed lymphoma.  So not fair to such a sweet and 
> handsome boy.
> 
> He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes together. 
>  His paw rested on my hand.  As he relaxed, he ever so lightly made biscuits 
> on my hand.  He even did his elevator butt routine, but laying down instead 
> of standing up.
> 
> He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give out 
> during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my heart.  
> Along with too many others that are still somewhat fresh.
> 
> Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams.  I left the patio lights on for 
> your spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell.
> 
> Marsha
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you for the suggestion on the Metoclopromide, I will ask my vet
about it next time we go in, or if his symptoms come back before that, he
is on a 2 week steroid shot right now. He received it Monday, after the
short acting one he got last Friday.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update

Rachel, for what it's worth, I agree with Margo. The odds are that the
steroids kicked in because they will (a) reduce the inflammation and (b)
make him feel better (peppier) and thus he will be more interested in
eating. Another suggestion is to get him on metoclopromide which helps
increase peristaltic action, empty the stomach and move the food along the
intestinal tract.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: April-27-16 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update

My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an
X-ray which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids
but he still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the
food from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back
up. Then he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high
calorie emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on
YouTube. I was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some
research and saw a lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over
night from Amazon. I got it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he
is eating on his own and eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even
his dry food that I crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of
eating. I am only giving him a small amount each hour of so as not to
upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding
and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphoma
   , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting
vitality science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo.
I hope to extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky
and acting like himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it
continues!

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> On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha  wrote:
>
> My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn.  He has been doing
> really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year
> anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and
> Congestive Heart Failure.  Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make
> it to the one year mark.  Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements,
> and has been doing great.  About 2 weeks ago, his appetite seemed to
> be a little off.  Sometimes he would eat all his food, sometimes not.
> He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the garage, so I
> wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past Saturday,
> he was really fussy about taking his pills.  He has always been really
> good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them
> into his mouth.  Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip
> them in wet food (and they are already in pill pockets).  I coax and
> coax, and have had to manually pill him a few times.  He will eat 4
> and leave 1, then I have to
 give that one manually.  Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1.  Now he
wants baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later.  He gets his
supplements mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to
eat his food to get it.
>
> He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam.  The vet
confirmed the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were
enlarged nodes in the back leg area also.  Brock's PCV is only 18%,
meaning he is anemic.  It is non-regenerative.  A needle aspiration was
done on a lymph node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow.  My
biggest fear is lymphoma, and it's going to tear through like a wildfire.
>
> Marsha
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you, I appreciate that more than you know, we need all the prayers we
can get.

Marsha please go online and read the reviews on Life Gold for Cat Cancer on
Amazon and Pet Wellbeing, the latest post is Felv+ owner who has his babies
on it just to prevent cancer. If you get it on Pet Wellbeing they offer a 90
day money back guarantee, so you don't really have anything to lose. If it
gets Brock to eat and boosts his immune system, brings down the lymph nodes,
that can only be good. Of course discuss with your vet since he is on other
medications. Have you tried crushing his pills and dissolving them in a
syringe of water? That is what I do for pills. And maybe you could put his
food in a syringe with the potassium and give it that way? I am praying for
you that it is not lymphoma, but if it is you will have someone on here who
is going through it too.

A little on Tucker. He is only two and a half years old, I brought him home
as a stray from work. I have had him one and a half years. In that time we
have gone through urinary infections, emergency catheters, and two PU
surgeries that give him a wider opening so he doesn't block, the first
surgery his opening closed completely, the second surgery left him with a
very small opening, and it takes him a while to get his urine out. He can't
have the surgery again because they have stretched the urethra really far.
So after over $8,000.00, the constant fear of a blockage, and much stress
and pain for both of us the new cancer diagnosis has been a big blow for me.

I am very lucky I can bring him to work with me, he is sitting right in
front my keyboard as I type this purring away, thankfully oblivious to all
of his Mommy's fears, concerns and heartache.

-Original Message-
From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Rachel Dagner
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update

It seems you are on the right track and keeping his feedings small will help
also.  I know my Harley who is not sick, just gulps down too much at one
time and then up chucks has to get small amounts to prevent that.  I also
have a pot of lemon grass for the cats to munch on when their stomachs are
upset.With all he has going on, he has a lot on his plate to deal with
and other than the right medications, the greatest gift you can give him i
love.  mWill keep both of yu in my prayers.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote:
> My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an
> X-ray which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids
> but he still couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the
> food from passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back
> up. Then he totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high
> calorie emergency food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on
> YouTube. I was syringe feeding him for several days, I was doing some
> research and saw a lot of great reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over
> night from Amazon. I got it yesterday and gave him his two doses. Today he
> is eating on his own and eating quite a bit of the emergency food and even
> his dry food that I crunched up small. No regurgitation after all day of
> eating. I am only giving him a small amount each hour of so as not to
> upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try syringe feeding
> and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphoma  , I cried for three
> days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality science cat cancer
> kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to extend his time
> and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting like himself
> again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> >
> > My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn.  He has been doing
> > really great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year
> > anniversary of being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and
> > Congestive Heart Failure.  Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make
> > it to the one year mark.  Brock is on 5 heart meds and 2
> > supplements, and has been doing great.  About 2 weeks ago, his
> > appetite seemed to be a little off.  Sometimes he would eat all his
> > food, sometimes not.  He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into
> > the garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner.
> > This past Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills.  He
> > has always been really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle
> > for me, no dropping them into his mouth.  Now he is balking at
> > taking them even after I dip them in wet food (and they are already
> > in pill pockets).  I coax

Re: [Felvtalk] Brock update

[Rachel Dagner]

My cat Tucker was throwing up his food. We went to the vet and got an X-ray 
which showed a mass in his chest. I brought him home with steroids but he still 
couldn't keep food down probably the mass was restricting the  food from 
passing through since he was just regurgitating it right back up. Then he 
totally quit wanting to eat. Went to the vet and got high calorie emergency 
food and a syringe , watched a video on how to do it on YouTube. I was syringe 
feeding him for several days, I was doing some research and saw a lot of great 
reviews on Life Gold I had it sent over night from Amazon. I got it yesterday 
and gave him his two doses. Today he is eating on his own and eating quite a 
bit of the emergency food and even his dry food that I crunched up small. No 
regurgitation after all day of eating. I am only giving him a small amount each 
hour of so as not to upset his stomach, or overwhelm him. Maybe you can try 
syringe feeding and/or the liquid gold. I hope it is not lymphoma
 , I cried for three days straight after the X-ray. I am getting vitality 
science cat cancer kit, I am not going to put him through chemo. I hope to 
extend his time and his quality of life. He is also more perky and acting like 
himself again after just one day on Life Gold. I pray it continues! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> My sweet FeLV+ boy Brock has taken a bad turn.  He has been doing really 
> great, and only a week and a half ago celebrated his 1 year anniversary of 
> being diagnosed with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy and Congestive Heart Failure. 
>  Only 20% of cats with that diagnosis make it to the one year mark.  Brock is 
> on 5 heart meds and 2 supplements, and has been doing great.  About 2 weeks 
> ago, his appetite seemed to be a little off.  Sometimes he would eat all his 
> food, sometimes not.  He occasionally catches a mouse that gets into the 
> garage, so I wondered if he was full when I brought his dinner. This past 
> Saturday, he was really fussy about taking his pills.  He has always been 
> really good about eating his pill pockets, no hassle for me, no dropping them 
> into his mouth.  Now he is balking at taking them even after I dip them in 
> wet food (and they are already in pill pockets).  I coax and coax, and have 
> had to manually pill him a few times.  He will eat 4 and leave 1, then I have 
> to 
 give that one manually.  Or eat 2, and I have to give him 1.  Now he wants 
baby food, but only eats some of it, then more later.  He gets his supplements 
mixed with his food, 1 of which is potassium, so he needs to eat his food to 
get it.
> 
> He had a blood panel done yesterday and a physical exam.  The vet confirmed 
> the enlarged lymph nodes I felt in his neck, and said there were enlarged 
> nodes in the back leg area also.  Brock's PCV is only 18%, meaning he is 
> anemic.  It is non-regenerative.  A needle aspiration was done on a lymph 
> node, and the cytology should be back tomorrow.  My biggest fear is lymphoma, 
> and it's going to tear through like a wildfire.
> 
> Marsha
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