[Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when 
my new stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough 
go of it the first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and 
I can't thank you enough for that. The information was invaluable. I 
have become ill myself since that time so I fell off the planet for a 
bit but I wanted to take a moment to let you know about my girl.


Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of 
Winstrol (half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also 
treated her with a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These 
dosages seem low but anything higher made her liver very sick and she 
was only barely 5 pounds initially.


When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels 
were completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really 
thrived. She went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind 
of treatment. Her numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low 
side of normal and but very low platelets. So she is getting just the 
Winstrol 4 times a month. I will know next week at her checkup if that 
needs to be increased. My vet says that this is not uncommon in the 
winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder temps.


So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to 
save her by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that 
I know she would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as 
sending her blood test results and a photo of her to our original vet 
that said she should be destroyed because there were "plenty of other 
healthy cats that need homes".


Best to all.

Sherri & Bogey



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Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing

[Sherri Godschalk]

Bob, I am so sorry about Yogi. Thank you so much for giving him a warm
loving home and giving such good care. I have been where you are and know
how bad you are hurting. Know you did right by him and did all you could
do. I am sure he knew it. Peace to you

Sherri and Bogey

On 1/30/17, 7:31 PM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"

wrote:

>Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom I
>had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and most
>recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to keep
>treating him..
>Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had
>started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few
>weeks to 14   I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks
>to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful
>but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply was
>not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
>He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and
>with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive all
>these months stroking him..  I had actually made arrangements to put him
>down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that morning.
>I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
>It's been a tough go...   The little guy never really knew more than a
>few months of health.
>There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a
>ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a
>sweet gentle little soul that never so much as  attempted to scratch me
>despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him alive
>There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started with him at 6
>months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year lost 3 lbs ( about
>40% of his body weight .  I probably would have put him down on at least
>3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice and suggestions I got
>from all of you that helped me press on .
>So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one
>big hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though
>certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home to
>another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. and to
>give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much a Kitten
>in his actions and DYING to have someone to play with...this time I will
>FOSTER so that I don't go broke with cat care if the next little
>guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of time...
>Thanks to  all of you for being there for FeLV cats...  You all are the
>one bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have had
>
>Bob
>Warwick NY
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit

[Sherri Godschalk]

I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am just
going to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give her half
AM and half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred (split the pill).
5mg at once seems like a lot for this little cat. (6lb 5oz). She may feel
better having it that way anyway.

I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must
really taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice cream or
yogurt this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on for that is
high. 25mg twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the first time around and
the “parts” were smaller. When they refilled, they had the 100mg cut in
actual quarters and she took ill shortly after we started her back on it in
December. 

My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some periods
like your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at noticing pinkness in
gums and nose but clearly I haven’t mastered that yet. I looked at her gums
today and they looked awfully pink compared to 4 months ago. I tried to get
her to sit still while I took a pic of them for reference…gonna have to get
another pair of hands for that kind of photography. :-)

We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting the
regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to where they
were in December. I think we were really making progress.

Yea I don’t understand the “icteric” either. Just gonna accept that
something looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)

Your Zander…was a lucky little boy to have you!

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
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Date:  Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit

I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a day
but only right at the start for a month or so to “kickstart” the process
because his haematocrit was s low. I think the usually recommended dose
for Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave Zander his pills all at
once – prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I suspect that the problems you
encountered are far more likely to be related to the higher Winstrol dose
than the staggering of the medication.
 
Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the problem
was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it by half, and
keep everything else the same, you might get a better response. Frankly,
though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble every time the meds are
pulled, that convinces me that it is definitely the meds that are making
such a significant difference in the levels. I really found, with Zander,
that it took more than 10 months before the numbers would “stick” – ie –
when I discontinued the meds, that the numbers wouldn’t start to immediately
decline, and I was testing him weekly. I could always see an immediate
reaction in the blood work, if I pulled him off the Winstrol.
 
With Zander, after the 10 month period, I was able to wean him down, but
that probably took another 6 months or more. Thereafter, I watched him like
a hawk, and any time I saw his gums or ears fading in colour (and I got
pretty good at seeing it, as you might imagine) I would put him back on the
meds for a 6-8 week course, and that tended to straighten him back up again.
 
I don’t know what to make of the description of icteric, because, like I
said, the only way serum would become icteric is from an elevated bilirubin
count, and the bilirubin was completely normal. However, even if the tech
mixed up the description, that doesn’t mean the lab results are mixed up.
The latest results are awfully close to the results from before December, so
I wouldn’t assume they belong to another cat. Determining if a sample is
icteric simply requires the tech to hold up the tube and look at the colour
of the serum. It is possible she wrote down icteric on this sample, but it
was another sample which was icteric. I am fairly confident that the serum
was not icteric, though.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: January-05-17 8:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
 

Hi Amani. Thanks for writing. Bogey actually was taking 2mg of the
Stanazolol once a day. (one capsule) Is that what your Zander was taking?
Doc said I could try every other day, or try 1mg twice a day if she starts
to become ill again. I think it is going to be a real balancing act here. In
that 22 days since she was hospitalized, she only had 7 dozes of Stanazolol
and 8 of Doxy. I am going to try to space them out some on a daily basis.
Not give her any medication within 3 hours of taking another. Did 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Amani. Thanks for writing. Bogey actually was taking 2mg of the
Stanazolol once a day. (one capsule) Is that what your Zander was taking?
Doc said I could try every other day, or try 1mg twice a day if she starts
to become ill again. I think it is going to be a real balancing act here. In
that 22 days since she was hospitalized, she only had 7 dozes of Stanazolol
and 8 of Doxy. I am going to try to space them out some on a daily basis.
Not give her any medication within 3 hours of taking another. Did you give
your baby meds all in one sitting (both the steroids)? She is to be on the
Doxy for 10 days and recheck around that time. I am watching her food intake
more carefully. If she starts to slow down eating like she did when her
liver problems started last month, maybe I can catch it before it is a
crisis and give her a break from them briefly.

I wouldn’t have guessed that her numbers were so bad. I was actually taken
aback when he showed them to me. She is eating so well. Has gained almost a
pound in the last month. Active.  I thought she was doing a lot better than
she was as far as test results go. I was glad to see her platelets were not
bottomed out like they were in the past.

Amani, did you ever get to the point with Zander that he wasn’t on constant
medicine? Was he able to sustain pretty good numbers for any period of time
without the medication?

I had to look up the word “icteric” that she had written on the results.
Bogey’s  stool and urine have no issues at this moment as far as color. Nor
does her skin. That surprised me too. In all honesty, after I left there I
thought “did they get my results mixed up with someone else's?”

Thanks,
Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 7:27 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit

Hi Sherri
 
As you’ve said, the good news is that the liver enzymes are dropping down.
The bad news is the anemia is back. I think if it were me, I would probably
go back to the 1mg a day dose of Stanazolol, along with the ¼ tablet of doxy
twice a day and the 5 mg of Prednisolone. I agree you could try halving the
prednisolone and giving ½ tablet, twice a day, but I am not sure that is
very significant.
 
My other concern is that the lymphocytes have jumped up quite a bit as well,
which is not a good thing since that is usually the result of the FeLV virus
load. I also see a significant drop in the platelets. With my cat, I found
that each time I took him off the Stanazolol, I would get a nose-dive of the
red cells/haematocrit/hemoglobin as is apparent in Bogey’s most recent blood
results. That is why I ended up deciding to ignore the high liver enzymes.
However, I did not have a situation as you described, with Bogey feeling
very unwell with the high liver enzymes. Zander really didn’t exhibit much
in the way of changes when his liver enzymes increased, but I sure saw a
difference when he wasn’t on the Winstrol, so I opted to keep him on the
Winstrol and ignore the liver enzymes. Obviously for you, you will have to
see how Bogey does both on and off the medication and play it by ear.
 
(By the way, I don’t think the tech was right about the icteric blood. The
total bilirubin was only 1.4 so I don’t see how it is possible for the serum
to be icteric.) 
 
Amani

 
 
(Sorry – I ONCE AGAIN had to delete the rest of the message, since ONCE
AGAIN, the message bounced.)
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[Felvtalk] Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit

[Sherri Godschalk]

I hope all of you had a nice Holiday. It is way too chaotic but I miss it
when it is over.

I wanted to share with you a couple of things about my FEVL + cat Bogey for
anyone who is interested. She was jaundice last month and seriously ill in
the hospital for a few days and has been home since 14th of December.
Although the Doc wanted her back on her meds, Stanzolol Doxycycline, right
awayŠI waited. After her blood tests on the 20th, with his insistence, she
started back on the meds. No prednisolone because he had given her a shot
when released. I did as he said but after 7 days on it, she started to eat
less and seemed fatigued, so I stopped. So now she has been off them again
for 8 days and got her blood tested today. Here is what has happened to her.
   
   LOW HIGH 5-Jan 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 2.93 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 16.9 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 5.3 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 57.7 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.1 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 31.4 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 29.1 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 102.6 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 18.77 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 1.48 10.29 7.88 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 0.92 6.88 8.73 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 0.05 0.67 1.87 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.44 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.05 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
 PLT 151 800 111 295 122 28 53 88 50
 
 GLU 74 159 111 122 125 178
 BUN 16 36 22 21 14 23
 CREA 8 2.4 1.1 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA20 19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1 7.5 4.5   4.5
 CA 7.8 11.3 8.7   9.8
 TP 5.7 8.9 9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2 4 2.8 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8 5.1 6.2 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB0.5 0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12 130 111 581 192 237
 ALKP 14 111 34 81 42 39
 GGT 0 4 0   8 
 TBIL 0 0.9 1.4  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65 225 77   170
 AMYL 500 1500 1074   842
 LIPA 100 1400 442   255
 NA 150 165158 
 K 3.5 5.83.4  
 NA/K   46 
 CL 112 129114 
 OSM CALC   318
As you can see her anemia is much worse although her liver numbers have
improved significantly. So we are starting back everything today. The tech
noted that Bogey¹s serum was icteric. She is not jaundice at all outwardly.
Is eating great. Doc says to try possibly one Stanzolol every other day. Or
half a capsule twice a day. As well a 5mg Prednisolone 1 time a day and 1/4
doxy twice a day. I am thinking maybe keep her on the same dose of the
Stanzolol but split the Pred. Do you have opinions?

Anyway my baby seems happy. She loved her stocking full of Temptations and
new toys for Christmas. I am so glad she is here beside me.

Thanks everyone.

Sherri and Bogey








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Re: [Felvtalk] Re. Nutrition

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Robert. Bogey is a good eater. She has access to dry all the time and
she probably eats 3/8 cup a day. I also give her Fancy Feast to lick at 2
times a day. Now forcing 3-4 tablespoons of Hills AD and 1 tablespoon of ID.
(She hates the ID) Thanks to you allŠ10 Temptations a day! Since she likes
dry kibble and I know it is harder for her to process, I just want to make
that what I am putting in front of her is not ticking off her liver more.
Yesterday I tried an experimentŠI put Hills Sensitive Stomach, Blue Buffalo
Healthy Living and Blue Wilderness, in thirds in her dish hoping that I
could tell which she likes better. She likes them all apparently.

I feel very lucky that she is eating so much. There was just a couple of
days where she had no interest in anything. That was very difficult to keep
up that feeding schedule and I respect everyone who has had to do that for
very long. Just hope I am not feeding her crap.

I am so sorry about your little guy not feeling well. It is truly an uphill
battle isn¹t? So glad he has you to look after him.

Best,
Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of ROBERT
CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 2:23 AM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Cc:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] Re. Nutrition

Sherri
I wouldn't be worrying so much about her having the "perfect" diet so much
as seeing that she eats _ something_ whatever it is.It will be harder on
her liver to NOT eat than to process kibble ( rule of thumb for me is that
many generations of ferals ( and people!!) have managed to survive on less
than optimal diets..worry less ...experiment more.I've fed my little guy
every thing from cracker crumbs to mouse pieces to keep his weight up..
If he'll eat... he gets it. my _ go to_ usual is puréed meat baby food
laced with powdered temptations treats.. when he won't eat that I know I
have a problem and I have to supplement with syringe.   This little guy has
been ill from the time he was born and it doesn't look as though it is EVER
going to let up.. Fever and lethargy and losing weight again despite
good appetite
So more blood work tomorrow that I can ill afford.  If I ever take home
another felv it will have to be a foster

- Original Message -
From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 9:25 am
Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 48
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: Bogeys Blood Test Today (Sherri Godschalk)
>   2. Food and Nutrition for FELV (Sherri Godschalk)
>   3. Re: Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2
>  (Sherri Godschalk)
> 
> 
> -
> -----
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 06:21:32 -0500
> From: Sherri Godschalk
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> 
> Thank you Robert. I post that table with her results right out
> of excel.
> Sometimes it runs together on mine too. I have put this on
> Google Sheets
> so I can view it at work too. Here is a link if you would like
> to see it.
> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/174GWHyj34zZlky9jdU_9TUBz1leosJGvkZO
> qFY_d3Cw/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> Good luck with your boy too.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Randy. I do so hope he is right! Keep us posted on your cat as well.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Randy
Henke <ra...@magicedge.com>
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Date:  Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 9:28 AM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

I'm so glad the bloodwork results weren't as dire as you thought they might
be.

Good luck to you and Bogey!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and the
> plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I
> expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise
> because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That is
> processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that he
> felt the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up because it
> is not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are going to take,
> so tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.
> 
> Wish us luck!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well, as much as it stresses her out to take her to the vet, I am taking her
back in next Wed. And probably every week for awhile. I asked the tech why
so many things were not tested for her blood draw yesterday. She said I
needed to ask for a CBC Chem 17 if I wanted that. I didn’t even know what
that was. I do now.  So I said, mark the file, every time she is there for
blood tests, I want the CBC Chem 17. Gees.

I will for sure be watching the wind very closely Amani!

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 9:28 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

I think he is wrong on that. I don’t think you usually get a rise on the
prednisone. I think you can on the Winstrol. I have no idea what he is
talking about but the good news is that it probably doesn’t matter. She
should be fine either way. However, I would monitor the blood work closely
and have more blood run again in a week or two to see which way the wind is
blowing.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-21-16 9:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2
 

Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and the
plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I
expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise
because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That is
processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that he
felt the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up because
it is not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are going to
take, so tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.

 

Wish us luck!

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and the
plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I
expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise
because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That is
processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that he
felt the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up because
it is not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are going to
take, so tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.

Wish us luck!



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[Felvtalk] Food and Nutrition for FELV

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good morning everyone. I have kind of a general question here for you all.
I am walking a tight rope here for my FELV + Bogey as far as to what to feed
her. She is hungry and is eating but now we are facing some rising liver
enzymes so I think I need to do more than just get her to eat .

She is not a big wet food eater. She will eat some each day, and normally
just Fancy Feast and just a bit of it. If her whole diet was that, she would
starve. I can get her to take a couple of tablespoons a day of Hills AD and
ID but I have to hand feed it. She likes kibble. Anymore I am not sure what
brand is a good nutritional cat food. I have learned that kibble is much
harder for their body to break down, thus stressing their liver but I have
got to keep her eating because of the liver and jaundice issues I am dealing
with. (she is dealing with)

So I am curious what you feed your cat and if you use any supplements. Also,
if a kibble is watered down and pureed, is it easier for them to digest? I
started adding Hills Sensitive Stomach Egg and Rice and she likes it and is
supposedly easier for them to digest. But is it a good food?

Thanks for your opinions.

Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogeys Blood Test Today

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thank you Robert. I post that table with her results right out of excel.
Sometimes it runs together on mine too. I have put this on Google Sheets
so I can view it at work too. Here is a link if you would like to see it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/174GWHyj34zZlky9jdU_9TUBz1leosJGvkZO
qFY_d3Cw/edit?usp=sharing

Good luck with your boy too.

Sherri

On 12/21/16, 2:11 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Sherri...
>
>I don't know if it is possible to, perhaps, format the data differently
>but I am having a difficult time
>reading the Blood results...they are all running togetheralso
>are the data on the right the older and getting newer as we move to the
>left??  A shame this site doesn't ( at least to my knowledge) have a
>function for making a table ( or including a table when posting) it
>would make matters a LOT easier...
>BTW... While I understand your concerns re: Bogey on balance...
>She's looking pretty darn good for a FeLV Kitty...If my boys blood
>values were that good I'd be quite pleased ( apart from the notable
>LIver Values). Hang in there...
>
>
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>> Today These look worse PG 2
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>> Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It
>> seems
>> like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
>> jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues
>> with
>> balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but
>> it
>> doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are
>> not
>> better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
>> Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
>>  GLU 74-159 122 125 178
>>  BUN 16-36 21 14 23
>>  CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
>>  BUN/CREA  19 18 18
>>  PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
>>  CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
>>  ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
>>  GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
>>  ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
>>  ALT 12-130 581 192 237
>>  ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
>>  GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
>>  CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
>>  LIPA 100-1400   255
>>  NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114
>> OSM CALC318 Sherri
>>
>>
>> From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
>> Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
>> To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today
>>
>> That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that
>> performance with
>> our girl, Curly.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
>>> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself
>>> instead of
>>> sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good
>>> except her
>>> red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As
>>> well as him
>>> being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I
>>> read
>>> that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her
>>> home
>>> last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to
>>> start her
>>> back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like
>>> it might
>>> be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for
>>> even a
>>>

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Amani,
In all honesty I was shocked when I compared her last liver test to this
one. She is eating so well and drinking. She got so much strength back that
I don’t have to kennel her. She is handling the stairs just fine. Urine is
clear and great easy bowel movements. When the doc was talking to me he was
so positive and happy. I But really he said almost nothing about her liver
issues. I walked out of there feeling as high as a kite. Not sure why they
didn’t do the Total Bilirubin. I asked them to.

I haven’t started the Doxy yet but I will here this morning when she is done
playing with her bottle cap. I will call the vet’s office first thing to see
about getting the Clavamox and ask them to have the vet to please compare
the last two liver tests and see if he still feels she should start the
Winstrol because I am not. (I don’t think he even looked at the liver
enzymes page or he would probably want me to wait too) They are closed for 5
days over the Holidays. I want to make sure we are on the same page prior to
that. I was hoping the hematocrit was in the 20s when I took her in for her
last test so I feel like we could wait until next week. Her RBC went from
4.99 to 5.57 this week too. Just amazing.

I changed her kibble last week when she had a few days of diarrhea after
being. I added to her Blue Buffalo some Hills Sensitive Stomach and Skin.
She loves the stuff but am wondering if that change has added to this flair
up she is having. I am going to start a another thread here on food and
nutrition. Vet had said to get her to eat, eat, eat. And I did.

Thank you Amani as always.


From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 2:14 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

Hi Sherri
 
Yes, I agree with you that the biochemistry liver enzymes look worse. The
rest of the biochemistry tests look fine, but the ALT and AST have gone up,
and they didn’t repeat either the Total Bilirubin or the GGT, which are the
other results that assist in assessing the liver.
 
However, Bogey is doing better by your description, so be patient and
continue with what you are doing. I still think that you could hold off for
another little while on the Winstrol and Doxycyline and that is supported by
the liver enzyme test results. However, there has been a noticeable drop in
the haematocrit. You’re still within the reference range, but this is the
same thing I had witnessed with my cat, and how I affirmed for myself that
it was the Winstrol/Doxycyline which was causing the increase in the red
cell parameters, because every time I tried to reduce the dosage or stop the
medication, I would see an immediate drop in the numbers. It seems pretty
clear that (a) the increase you saw at the end of October was because you
added the Doxycycline to the Winstrol treatment regime. You got a dramatic
jump in the numbers. Now, when you stopped the Doxycycline/Winstrol, you see
a definitive drop in haematocrit levels. However, as I said, you still have
a significant cushion before the numbers get concerning again.
 
I agree with your vet that your cat has some sort of bacterial infection.
The significant number in white cells is quite marked, and when you see the
breakdown, that increase in white cells is almost completely composed of
neutrophils, which is the type of cell which increases in the presence of
bacteria, versus lymphocytes which increase with a viral challenge. Your vet
should consider adding another antibiotic, in addition to the Doxycyline.
Something broad spectrum, perhaps, like _.
 
I also not the excellent news that the platelet count has actually doubled.
This is really, really wonderful, and quite dramatic.
 
The basophils are elevated which can happen with liver problems or may
reflect an immune/allergic type response (along with mast cells).
 
Overall, she is still looking pretty good, but I agree with your concern
about wanting to wait a bit more on putting her back on the
Winstrol/Doxycycline. On the other hand, your vet might be concerned about
the slippage, and may not want to lose ground.
 
Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It seems
like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn¹t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but it
doesn¹t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are not
better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
  
  Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8 
 TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8  
 TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170 
 AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158  
 K 3.5-5.8   3.4  
 NA/K46  
 CL 112-129   114  
 OSM CALC318 
Sherri


From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Randy
Henke <ra...@magicedge.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance with
our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead of
> sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good except her
> red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As well as him
> being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I read
> that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her home
> last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to start her
> back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like it might
> be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for even a
> week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone is
> interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!
> 
>  
>   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
>  RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
>  HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
>  HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
>  MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
>  MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
>  MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
>  RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
>  RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
>  WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
>  NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
>  LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
>  MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
>  EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
>  BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
>  PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks for the tip Ardy. The pumpkin was a success in stopping a bad bout of
diarrhea for her. And she liked it. I had researched it and it said it was
good for constipation and diarrhea too. I will add this to my first aid kit
arsenal. Thank you again!

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Ardy
Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 11:21 PM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  FW:  Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

My cats always looked like they had a camel¹s hump when the vet gave them
sub-q fluids, until they soaked in. Sometimes mine would leak a little on
the outside as well. I also gave a small amount of pure pumpkin (not the
spicy pie kind) and this is an excellent fiber source to make them have a
bowel movement.
Ardy
 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Amani, 

Is she ridding herself of the jaundice when it comes out that color?

 

I have never done it myself. I did call the vet before they closed today and
ask if I could bring her in for sub Q in the morning and they agreed. I have
given insulin in the nap of the neck, is it about the same? I will inquire
when and if I need to go in tomorrow. I can probably get everything I would
need there. The car ride stresses her so it would be easier on her if I did
it. How much do you have to give at a time? She won¹t sit still for very
long. She needs more fluids also because she hasn¹t had a bowel movement
still and has had probably close to 7 oz of food today. She only weighs 5.5
pounds so she is taking in quite a bit. We have gone through 2 cans but
really I end up wearing at least part of each helping.

 

Bogey ate on her own tonight! This foodŠNutros. She mostly licked it but I
added water and so there was more moisture. This cat has not slept very
much. I am constantly waking her to feed and water her. I feel like this
could be taxing her some and that she is not getting enough rest. I may feed
more in fewer feedings tomorrow. For an animal that probably slept 13 hours
a dayŠshe has probably only had 7 or 8 hours total in the last 2 days and
that is on the high side. Needless to say I am sleeping an equal amount. We
do everything we can don¹t we.

 

Thanks for the SUBQ info. I think with this many animals I should know how
to do it. If Bogey survives this, no doubt with her illness she will need to
have this done a few times in her life time.

 

Sherri

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

Sherri
 
Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will
be darker.
 
Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy.
Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the
back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin,
behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is
virtually no risk of giving too much fluid ­ any excess fluid is just peed
out.
 
It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn¹t be without. I always keep
several bags of fluid in the house (ringer¹s lactate/saline/5% dextrose ­ I
hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will
often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids ­ usually
saline or the ringer¹s lactate.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think
chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she
urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She
does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly.
She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me
today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around.
 
Amani
 

Fr

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

[Sherri Godschalk]

I hope so too Randy!

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Randy
Henke <ra...@magicedge.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance with
our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead of
> sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good except her
> red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As well as him
> being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I read
> that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her home
> last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to start her
> back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like it might
> be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for even a
> week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone is
> interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!
> 
>  
>   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
>  RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
>  HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
>  HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
>  MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
>  MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
>  MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
>  RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
>  RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
>  WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
>  NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
>  LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
>  MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
>  EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
>  BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
>  PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50
> 
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[Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

[Sherri Godschalk]

Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead
of sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good
except her red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them.
As well as him being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are
elevated. I read that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before
he sent her home last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He
wants me to start her back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I
still feel like it might be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out
of the hospital for even a week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood
test later if anyone is interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go
Bogey!

Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50






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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

[Sherri Godschalk]

Randy,
That is wonderful news! Hopefully your Curly will respond to the treatment
as well as Bogey has. So glad you have a vet that is willing to try this
combination. Best wishes!

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Monday, December 19, 2016 at 9:10 PM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

Our vet must be one of the good ones. He approved both Winstrol and
Doxycycline even though he has never used them for FELV positive cats. We'll
be adding those onto Curly's Prednisone as soon as we get them. So far she
is hanging in there. She only eats Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers (about a small
can every other day) but her weight is holding around 7 pounds. About a half
pound below her best weight before she got sick. She still gets up to get
drinks of water and use the litter box and she is still grooming herself.
She wants very little social interaction which is not like her at all and
she has very little energy, preferring to stay on the bed almost all of the
time. Her breathing is also fairly rapid and has been for quite a few days.

Hopefully this will be another success story for your kitty cocktail. We'll
owe you much if it works.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:
> Randy
>  
> I really don’t know. I have only had experience with the pills which I found
> very effective. As a compromise option, I would take if that is the only way
> the vet will agree to proceed.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Henke
> Sent: December-19-16 9:46 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Amani,
> I have a call in to our vet now about the Winstrol and Doxycycline. I've read
> that there is also the option of getting a weekly shot of Winstrol as opposed
> to the pills. If our vet balks at prescribing the pills but would be willing
> to give her the shot would it still work as well?
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Wishing you luck.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Henke
> Sent: December-16-16 8:12 PM
> 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you, Amani! I'll see what I can do to convince the vet on Monday.
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 1 mg 2 times a day.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Henke
> Sent: December-16-16 7:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
>  
> 
> That is information that is definitely useful to me! Thanks so much! Do you
> know what dosage of Winstrol I should ask for for a 6.8 pound cat? I want to
> have as much info as possible when I talk to my vet on Monday.
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> No Randy, Winstrol is an anabolic steroid (unlike prednisone which is a
> corticosteroid) so it does not have a dampening effect on the immune system.
> What you need right now is something to stimulate red cell production. If your
> cat has FELV, then the problem is that the progenitor cells in the bone marrow
> will have been infiltrated/killed by the virus and thus, the red cell
> production is down. Red cells have a life span of 120 days in circulation, so
> once that is over and they die, then they must be replenished by a steady
> supply of new cells from the bone marrow.
>  
> The only thing I have found that will do that is Winstrol. However, I use it
> in a cocktail with Doxycycline which has been found to retard the reproduction
> of viral RNA, and prednisone. This is the only combination of drugs that
> worked when my cat was in FELV crisis and had a haematocrit result of 5 (with
> the reference range being something like 25 to 35, off the top of my head). I
> had tried LTCI and interferon and even though I tested his blood weekly, I saw
> no change/improvement at all in his red cell count, haematocrit, hemoglobin,
> platelets, etc. It was only when I stumbled upon the use of Winstrol (he was
> already on prednisone and Doxy, but they don’t work without the Winstrol),
> that I saw a steady and sustained improvement in his haematology numbers.
>  
> The scandal, Randy, is that Winstrol is one of the steroids often implicated
> in athletic doping scandals, so vets seem to be gun shy about prescribing it.
> Also, some years ago, a very poorly conducted experiment was published where
> cats where given 10 times the recommended dose of Winstrol as a “loading dose”
> and developed liver problems. So between these two 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey, Temptations and Lipidosis...

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thank you Robert. I had never given any of my cats these treats before.
One of my other cats lived to be 21, another 17, and I am feeling a little
bad that I didn¹t EVER give them any of these. Bogey actually started
eating and drinking better on her own after having a couple the
Temptations.I almost tried one to see what the fuss is all about. I read
somewhere that someone described them as ³crack for cats². What ever they
have in there, Bogey loves.

Bogey is tiny. She weighed 4.8 pounds, if I remember correctly, when we
got her diagnosis in August. She got up to 6.5 before all of this. I think
when they weighed her last week and she was 5.5. So maybe not the
Lipidosis. Whatever it was came on suddenly. I check her gums every day.
One day they were looking very good, the next day they were gold. (yellow)

I wonder the same thing. She is not a cuddler. She likes to wrestle with
the dog. Do non human related activities. But she has been different
through this illness. Wants to be within sight of me or curled up on me.
She can¹t climb up her condo to lay and watch the bird feeders so I moved
a buffet table in there and put her in her carrier on top of it so she can
see out. I can here her in there purring pretty loudly. I think she is
saying thanks. :-)

Good luck with Yogi¹s eyes!

On 12/18/16, 4:29 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:

>I don't ever assume there is anything truly amiss with either of my boys
>appetites UNTIL they won't eat Temptations Chicken Treats   I am
>certain that whatever they put in those things would be illegal in the
>Human World  It's bizarre... my cats will take them over ACTUAL
>chicken... They contain very little that I would want my cats eating
>as a significant part of their diet but each gets a least 10 of them
>each day ( Yogi...as a reward for being a good boy with the ridiculous
>number of meds I have to  give him to try to get his eyes functional
>again... and my other boy " Jelly "... so that he doesn't simply push
>Yogi out of the way and eat his treats
>
>I don't recall if you had mentioned Bogey's weight??   Lipidosis is far
>more common with overweight cats than proper or underweight felines (
>otherwise every feral that does not have access to a reliable food
>source would be suffering the disease).   I'm sorry your little one
>has had so many issues... but... with your help and persistent attention
>he appears to keep bouncing back  It's very heartening...
>
>I don't know if our little "charges" appreciate what we do for them but
>I like to think that they somehow realize that their lives became quite
>a bit safer and more comfortable since making our acquaintance  : )
>
>
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>> Sherri ? she?ll be fine without the Winstrol and Doxy for a week. The
>> Winstrol is much more long acting than that. She might be down a few
>> points on her haematocrit or red cell counts, but as I indicated, she
>> has a significant cushion on her numbers, so I wouldn?t be concerned.
>>
>> Re the hearing loss, even if she can hear that doesn?t mean that there
>> isn?t damage to the ear. It isn?t the hearing component that causes
>> vertigo when it is damaged.
>>
>> You are being impatient! Last week, you thought she was going to die.
>> This week you have to beat her off with a stick so she doesn?t eat all
>> the Temptations. She is fine, and your vet will be happy since it
>> sounds like he too thought there wa

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

[Sherri Godschalk]

Amani,
Oh I understand now about the hearing. Hopefully it will wear off as you
stated it might.

We are both done with feeding schedules for the day. Gonna curl up in front
of the fake fireplace and hopefully drift off to sleep for at least 4 or 5
hours. We need it!

Appreciate everything.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:55 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

Sherri – she’ll be fine without the Winstrol and Doxy for a week. The
Winstrol is much more long acting than that. She might be down a few points
on her haematocrit or red cell counts, but as I indicated, she has a
significant cushion on her numbers, so I wouldn’t be concerned.
 
Re the hearing loss, even if she can hear that doesn’t mean that there isn’t
damage to the ear. It isn’t the hearing component that causes vertigo when
it is damaged.
 
You are being impatient! Last week, you thought she was going to die. This
week you have to beat her off with a stick so she doesn’t eat all the
Temptations. She is fine, and your vet will be happy since it sounds like he
too thought there was nothing to be done for her. As for the Temptations, my
cats LOVE them and I wouldn’t be without them (no matter how good or bad
they may be – it would be like saying no more ice cream ever because it is
OBVIOUSLY bad for us).
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-17-16 5:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns
 

As always Amani, thanks for the reply. I am always impatient about these
things I know. She was very sick and doubt that I would be back to normal
after one week either. She can hear because she responds sometimes, but
sometimes she doesn’t. Hopefully since her numbers were not through the
ceiling this will resolve with time and love. I don’t think she is in pain,
she is letting me pet her ears and the dog has been grooming her there and
she doesn’t seem to mind. just kind of out of it. She is better after
resting so I have been not waking her to eat since she is doing plenty of
that now. I have given her a couple of Temptations treats. The beef flavor.
She wants more and I think she would eat the whole bag. (I saw her trying to
get the bag open today) I have read good and bad things about them. Do you
have an opinion?

 

We go back in on Tuesday for blood tests. Am wondering how she is doing not
being on the Winstrol, doxy or pred for over a week. I will let you all
know. Thanks again for helping us through this tough time.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:50 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

 

Sherri
 
High levels of jaundice (bilirubin) can cause brain damage and hearing loss
(ear damage) if left untreated for too long, but I think you were on top of
things pretty quickly with Bogey. I think the effects will fade with time.
Do not be too concerned. Every other parameter looks very good. And yes, it
could also be that the electrolytes like potassium are still a bit off, but
that too will correct on its own with food and fluid intake. Remember also
that whatever initially caused the jaundice, if it was indeed some sort of
additive to the salmon, may still be having an effect. Again, with
everything else looking so good, it will wash out eventually. There may be
some residual effect, and I am actually wondering if it is ear damage
(because with damage to the ears, this can effect equilibrium and cause
vertigo). It may not resolve completely but I would expect some further
improvement.
 
Just keep up your excellent babying skills.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-17-16 2:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns
 

Gees, my poor baby. I wonder if she slowed so much in her diet last week
that she got hepatic lipidosis. Been reading about it this morning and her
symptoms were awfully similar.

 

The best day so far for her. Eating great on her own, all bodily functions
aok. Drinking a lot. Maybe too much? I gave her that Fancy Feast gravy
yesterday watered down and she did have some diarrhea but it is getting
better. Just too rich I think. Jaundice is very light now. Gums and nose are
pink. She even played some.

 

All these things are so wonderful. But when she tries to sit still,

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

[Sherri Godschalk]

As always Amani, thanks for the reply. I am always impatient about these
things I know. She was very sick and doubt that I would be back to normal
after one week either. She can hear because she responds sometimes, but
sometimes she doesn’t. Hopefully since her numbers were not through the
ceiling this will resolve with time and love. I don’t think she is in pain,
she is letting me pet her ears and the dog has been grooming her there and
she doesn’t seem to mind. just kind of out of it. She is better after
resting so I have been not waking her to eat since she is doing plenty of
that now. I have given her a couple of Temptations treats. The beef flavor.
She wants more and I think she would eat the whole bag. (I saw her trying to
get the bag open today) I have read good and bad things about them. Do you
have an opinion?

We go back in on Tuesday for blood tests. Am wondering how she is doing not
being on the Winstrol, doxy or pred for over a week. I will let you all
know. Thanks again for helping us through this tough time.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:50 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

Sherri
 
High levels of jaundice (bilirubin) can cause brain damage and hearing loss
(ear damage) if left untreated for too long, but I think you were on top of
things pretty quickly with Bogey. I think the effects will fade with time.
Do not be too concerned. Every other parameter looks very good. And yes, it
could also be that the electrolytes like potassium are still a bit off, but
that too will correct on its own with food and fluid intake. Remember also
that whatever initially caused the jaundice, if it was indeed some sort of
additive to the salmon, may still be having an effect. Again, with
everything else looking so good, it will wash out eventually. There may be
some residual effect, and I am actually wondering if it is ear damage
(because with damage to the ears, this can effect equilibrium and cause
vertigo). It may not resolve completely but I would expect some further
improvement.
 
Just keep up your excellent babying skills.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-17-16 2:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns
 

Gees, my poor baby. I wonder if she slowed so much in her diet last week
that she got hepatic lipidosis. Been reading about it this morning and her
symptoms were awfully similar.

 

The best day so far for her. Eating great on her own, all bodily functions
aok. Drinking a lot. Maybe too much? I gave her that Fancy Feast gravy
yesterday watered down and she did have some diarrhea but it is getting
better. Just too rich I think. Jaundice is very light now. Gums and nose are
pink. She even played some.

 

All these things are so wonderful. But when she tries to sit still, she
rocks or sways some. Even walking or standing over her dish she is
struggling with her balance. It is like her world is spinning faster or
something. She knows her name and where everything is. She sometimes stares
at a blank wall almost like in a trance. I have had to blockade all the
staircases, her condo and such because she wants to use them and she would
fall for sure if she had access. Her gait has improved but really this is a
little scary.

 

Was curious if I might need to still be giving her Pedialyte. Her potassium
was on the low side on the 12th and they didn’t recheck when they released
her. With all that IV fluid and this water she is getting, do you think she
could still technically be dehydrated? Moist gums, skin snaps back. Just
wondering what you all thought.

 

If not that, could it be vertigo or something? She isn’t nauseous , although
I would be. Good appetite.

 

Sorry for all the questions but I am worried about her neurological status.
And was wondering if any of you had gone through this with your babies.

 

Thanks

 

Sherri
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[Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

[Sherri Godschalk]

Gees, my poor baby. I wonder if she slowed so much in her diet last week
that she got hepatic lipidosis. Been reading about it this morning and her
symptoms were awfully similar.

The best day so far for her. Eating great on her own, all bodily functions
aok. Drinking a lot. Maybe too much? I gave her that Fancy Feast gravy
yesterday watered down and she did have some diarrhea but it is getting
better. Just too rich I think. Jaundice is very light now. Gums and nose are
pink. She even played some.

All these things are so wonderful. But when she tries to sit still, she
rocks or sways some. Even walking or standing over her dish she is
struggling with her balance. It is like her world is spinning faster or
something. She knows her name and where everything is. She sometimes stares
at a blank wall almost like in a trance. I have had to blockade all the
staircases, her condo and such because she wants to use them and she would
fall for sure if she had access. Her gait has improved but really this is a
little scary.

Was curious if I might need to still be giving her Pedialyte. Her potassium
was on the low side on the 12th and they didn¹t recheck when they released
her. With all that IV fluid and this water she is getting, do you think she
could still technically be dehydrated? Moist gums, skin snaps back. Just
wondering what you all thought.

If not that, could it be vertigo or something? She isn¹t nauseous , although
I would be. Good appetite.

Sorry for all the questions but I am worried about her neurological status.
And was wondering if any of you had gone through this with your babies.

Thanks

Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Questioning FELV diagnosis

[Sherri Godschalk]

Randy,

So sorry to hear about your Tigger.

I will also add my experience for the Winstrol, Doxy and Prednisolone. This
combination of drugs is saving the life of my cat. I don¹t understand all of
the science of how the medicine works on creating new red blood cells. Amani
does though! But when my cat was diagnosed as anemic (due to FELV) she was
prescribed both of the steroids initially and she, within weeks, got more
energy, ate more (important), played more. Her numbers didn¹t raise much but
she felt better and adjusted to the lower counts. I feared too about the
suppressed immunity. Get her blood tested often. I kept her box
cleanŠdisposable pans, Secondhand News litter. Washed her dishes all the
time. She was a stray and yearns to be outdoors but we never let her. Added
supplements. We really didn¹t see a noticeable change in the numbers until
they added Doxy a couple of months later. This kitty cocktail has allowed my
cats numbers to rise to normal levels in 4 months. Without out I don¹t think
she would still be with us. The benefits certainly outweigh the risks as far
as I am concerned. She is struggling with something unrelated right now but
is recovering because these drugs made her strong enough to do so. I don¹t
think you will find one person on this forum that isn¹t thankful that they
could get, or wish that they could.

Just my 2 cents. Wishing you the best.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Friday, December 16, 2016 at 9:14 AM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Questioning FELV diagnosis

It's interesting that our vet was very hesitant about even prescribing
Prednisone because he is afraid it will suppress her immunity to secondary
infections. I know that is a risk. Would adding Winstrol suppress her immune
system even further? I'm very confused about how to proceed.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Ardy Robertson 
wrote:
> If I can chime in on Winstrol, it did wonders on my Tigger to get his
> bloodwork up. I only wish I had started it sooner, along with the prednisolone
> and doxycycline.
> Best of luck!
> Ardy
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani
> Oakley
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Questioning FELV diagnosis
>  
> Randy
>  
> Regardless of the cause of the anemia, I have repeatedly recommended Winstrol
> (Stanazolol) which is used for intractable severe anemia in humans and
> animals. If you are new to this group, you may not have seen the difficulty
> most people face when trying to get Winstrol for their cats. See if your vet
> will prescribe it, but be aware that a vet usually has to order it from a
> compounding pharmacy. I agree that you should also use prednisone (or
> prednisolone, as recommended by others) along with the Winstrol.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Henke
> Sent: December-14-16 1:48 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Questioning FELV diagnosis
>  
> 
> I will keep everyone posted, Katherine. I'm hoping my hunch is correct that
> she doesn't have FELV but she's still very sick right now.
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> 
>  
> 
> I'm sorry your baby isn't feeling well. What an unusual story you shared. Did
> your vet say anything about hemobartonella? That can cause anemia, but I'm not
> very familiar with it so I can't offer much more information or advice there.
> There is a Yahoo! group called Feline_Anemia. It was pretty active a couple
> years ago, not sure about now, but at least you could search the archives. I
> had an 8 month old kitten die from anemia, but he was definitely FeLV
> positive. 
> 
>  
> 
> Talk to your vet about prednisolone, instead of prednisone. My 14 yo FeLV cat
> has been on it for a long time now. He also gets mirtazapine every few days,
> which stimulates his appetite.
> 
>  
> 
> Keep us posted on Curly!
> 
>  
> 
> Katherine
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Randy Henke  wrote:
>> 
>> Our cat, Curly, is ten years old. We found her outside as a kitten and had
>> her tested for FELV at that time. She was negative. She's been strictly an
>> indoor cat since then and had no contact with any potentially infected cats.
>> Three months ago, she wasn't acting like herself. Very lethargic and
>> moderately dehydrated. We took her to the vet. She was running a low fever
>> and her blood test showed severe anemia and low white cell count. The vet
>> suspected immune mediated hemolytic anemia. He gave her some fluids, started
>> her on an antibiotic for any potential infections and prednisone. Three days
>> later she was about the same so we took her back to the 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat FRIDAY

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good morning everyone. It has been a good day here. After the week that we
have had, to have my little Bogey go and find her litter and start burying
things was music to my ears. I figured after that she would just try to
return to bed after. But she walked around looking for her food dish. I
grabbed it and sat it on the floor and she ate kibble without me even
prodding her to do so. Also some watered down wet food. Gently groomed
herself after. Clear urine and finally a very good bowel movement.

We are not out of the woods I know. She is still very weak and jaundice but
less so. These are small milestones but we celebrated them.

Even though she ate wet (Fancy Feast) and kibble on her own today. I am
going to still force the A/D, L/D and water. She has lost about a pound
through all of this. I started giving her about half the dose that I was of
Petinic vitamins.

I am not going to take her in for SUBQ. They are open tomorrow so that is a
possibility if anything worsens. My reasoning: My vet, I appreciate
everything he has done with her. Especially because he is giving her the
chance to live with the Winstrol and Doxy. She would be gone by now if not
for him. He’s a great guy and his staff is wonderful. But when I took her in
for treatment for this, he really didn’t want to do anything for her.
Actually said he wouldn’t because she was suffering. He did eventually agree
to a hospital stay with IV. I believe I have to nurse her back myself so as
to not jeopardize any future treatments for her. It’s a slippery slope. At
this point and after THAT soft bowel movement and her urinating regularly I
am going to continue on as I have been. I hope it is the right decision. I
will learn how to do that myself for the next time.

Sherri





From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  FW:  Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

Sherri
 
Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will
be darker.
 
Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy.
Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the
back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin,
behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is
virtually no risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed
out.
 
It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep
several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I
hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will
often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually
saline or the ringer’s lactate.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think
chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she
urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She
does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly.
She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me
today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some
baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If
I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of
a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but
she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her
more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I
think I will pick up some Whiskas today too.

 

I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I
thought that was not a good plan.

 

Thanks for the input Amani.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleyl

Re: [Felvtalk] For all the kind souls who care so much

[Sherri Godschalk]

So well said Randy and I mirror all of your comments. I sometimes put upon
my pets what I would want someone to do for me if were to become seriously
ill. My sister got so angry with me that I didn’t put my dog down after he
started losing his hair and stumbling about. The vet could find nothing
wrong (1500 dollars worth of tests?) with him, said he was old and scolded
me for taking him home instead of euthanizing him. I Googled for hours,
found some articles about symptoms of low thyroid and called a new vet the
next day. His thyroid levels were undetectable. One little cheap pill every
day and he lived to be 16 after a very tough life before being rescued. I
can tell you my old vet was pretty humiliated when I called to tell him what
he had missed. He is still in business though, telling other pet owners that
their old animals are doomed.

We know our pets. We know when they are ready. Trust that. Keep searching
and don’t lose hope.

Best to you and Curly.

Sherri


From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Friday, December 16, 2016 at 4:55 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] For all the kind souls who care so much

Hi Randy
 
Thank you for your kind comments. I think that we came together in this
forum because all of us were really fed up with the fact that most of us
encountered vets who immediately tell us to put down our FeLV cats. I
personally have vented many times in emails, about the extreme difficulty
most folks are encountering when asking for a Winstrol prescription (it’s a
LONG story), and vets often refuse to prescribe it because of a concern that
it MAY cause liver problems. So, bizarrely enough, they are s concerned
about our cats’ well-being, that they would rather have them dead than
subject them to a potential side-effect. Make sense???
 
All of us in this group are dedicated to trying to find a solution, rather
than a knee-jerk response of putting down the cat. But yeah, I too encounter
folks everywhere who think I am coo-coo for coco puffs!
 
Amani 
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Randy Henke
Sent: December-15-16 10:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] For all the kind souls who care so much
 

I am new to this mailing list, our precious cat, Curly, having been just
recently diagnosed with FELV but already quite sick twice and just beginning
to rally (fingers crossed) from her second bout with severe anemia and
leukopenia.

I just wanted to say how much I admire every one of you here who go to such
great lengths for their pets, nursing them back from the brink time and
again, spending hundreds or thousands of dollars for treatment after
treatment to give them as much time with us as we possibly can.

My wife and I are both surrounded by friends and co-workers who think we are
fools for caring so much about an animal. They ask why we are so melancholy
and then look at us with disbelief when we tell them the reason. Their
philosophy is to take good care of their pets but when they get seriously
ill, it's time to put them down and move on.

To me, such thinking could only come from cold, heartless and selfish
individuals. Sometimes I actually envy them because life would be so much
easier if I could think like they do. But I can't and I won't. Just because
a family member has four legs instead of two doesn't diminish their worth
nor does it detract from their will to live. We do them an egregious
disservice by shortening their lives when there are still viable options on
the table that can provide additional months or even weeks of quality life.

The devotion and empathy that you people have for your cats is so touching
to me that I am sitting here right now crying.

God bless every one of you.
Randy

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Amani, 
Is she ridding herself of the jaundice when it comes out that color?

I have never done it myself. I did call the vet before they closed today and
ask if I could bring her in for sub Q in the morning and they agreed. I have
given insulin in the nap of the neck, is it about the same? I will inquire
when and if I need to go in tomorrow. I can probably get everything I would
need there. The car ride stresses her so it would be easier on her if I did
it. How much do you have to give at a time? She won’t sit still for very
long. She needs more fluids also because she hasn’t had a bowel movement
still and has had probably close to 7 oz of food today. She only weighs 5.5
pounds so she is taking in quite a bit. We have gone through 2 cans but
really I end up wearing at least part of each helping.

Bogey ate on her own tonight! This food…Nutros. She mostly licked it but I
added water and so there was more moisture. This cat has not slept very
much. I am constantly waking her to feed and water her. I feel like this
could be taxing her some and that she is not getting enough rest. I may feed
more in fewer feedings tomorrow. For an animal that probably slept 13 hours
a day…she has probably only had 7 or 8 hours total in the last 2 days and
that is on the high side. Needless to say I am sleeping an equal amount. We
do everything we can don’t we.

Thanks for the SUBQ info. I think with this many animals I should know how
to do it. If Bogey survives this, no doubt with her illness she will need to
have this done a few times in her life time.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  FW:  Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

Sherri
 
Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will
be darker.
 
Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy.
Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the
back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin,
behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is
virtually no risk of giving too much fluid – any excess fluid is just peed
out.
 
It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn’t be without. I always keep
several bags of fluid in the house (ringer’s lactate/saline/5% dextrose – I
hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will
often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids – usually
saline or the ringer’s lactate.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think
chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she
urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She
does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly.
She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me
today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some
baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If
I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of
a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but
she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her
more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I
think I will pick up some Whiskas today too.

 

I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I
thought that was not a good plan.

 

Thanks for the input Amani.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subjec

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think
chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she
urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She
does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly.
She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me
today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some
baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If
I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of
a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but
she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her
more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I
think I will pick up some Whiskas today too.

 

I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I
thought that was not a good plan.

 

Thanks for the input Amani.

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

Sherri
 
There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her
haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon.
Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a
while. 
 
It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can
syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine
was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin.
I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some
very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink
some more.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or
others who find these posts helpful.

 

First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But
I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger.
She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a
tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a
few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very
orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and
was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple
of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still
seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital
so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right
now with a heating pad on her.

 

She isn’t suffering or getting worse.

 

I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the
jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger.

 

Thanks for reading.

 

Sherri

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

Sherri
 
The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more
important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her
feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let
the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own.
 
After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her
home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible.
That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in
feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again.
 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Amani. This morning’s urine was also pretty clear. I will pick up some
baby food today. She isn’t refusing to eat. She just is really too weak. If
I hold her and let her lick it off my hand she does great. Almost a half of
a 5.5 oz can already today. She has not vomited. I thought about milk but
she has yet to have a bowel movement and I didn’t want to constipate her
more. I think I will offer her some at next feeding. I drink whole milk so I
think I will pick up some Whiskas today too.

I was surprised that the vet told me to start the Winstrol again so soon. I
thought that was not a good plan.

Thanks for the input Amani.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

Sherri
 
There isn’t any hurry to get her back on the Winstrol. I would wait. Her
haematology numbers give you quite a significant cushion to rely upon.
Winstrol likely strains the liver, so you want the liver to rest for a
while. 
 
It sounds like she is better, though. I recommend baby food, which you can
syringe feed into her. Keep up the feeding. It is good that the first urine
was orange but the next wasn’t. She is hopefully clearing out the bilirubin.
I think fluids are important to help with that, too. Have you tried some
very diluted milk or some Whiskas milk? That might encourage her to drink
some more.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 7:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or
others who find these posts helpful.

 

First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But
I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger.
She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a
tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a
few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very
orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and
was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple
of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still
seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital
so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right
now with a heating pad on her.

 

She isn’t suffering or getting worse.

 

I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the
jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger.

 

Thanks for reading.

 

Sherri

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

Sherri
 
The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more
important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her
feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let
the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own.
 
After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her
home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible.
That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in
feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again.
 
Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above
the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an
elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time
when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it
is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more
fluids just for that.
 
However, I would ask for her bloodwork to be retested after the fluids.
Ideally, you should start to see the bilirubin, GGT and ALT dropping. The
potassium may also now be in the reference range, and let’s see what the
glucose looks like.
 
One key thing I was taught was that you treat the patient, not the numbers.
I follow the lab numbers closely, but the more important thing, is how is
she doing. She is improving and hopefully will continue to do so. I think
that a retest of her blood work should confirm that.
 
Take her home as soon as possible and give her some TLC!
 
Was the can of salmon a can of catfood salmon or human food salmon? If
catfood, I understand that there have been incidents of liver

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Just a little update for any of you following Bogey’s progress here or
others who find these posts helpful.

First day home from hospital. She of course wasn’t interested in eating. But
I would sit with her and she would lick Hill’s L/d and a/d from my finger.
She ate over a full can total. Every hour or so I gave her about a
tablespoon. Alternating between the two. I also am giving her water and a
few drops of Pedialite each time. The first time she urinated it was very
orange about 2 pm. She didn’t urinate again until last night around 10 and
was clear. She actually went to her water dish last night and took a couple
of laps. She is still weak and wobbly. But she know where things are. Still
seems out of it though. I doubt that she slept at all while in the hospital
so I am just letting her rest. She is curled up on a bean bag chair right
now with a heating pad on her.

She isn’t suffering or getting worse.

I have yet to start her back on the Winstrol but may do that today if the
jaundice continues to show improvement. Might make her feel stronger.

Thanks for reading.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 9:21 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW:  Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

Sherri
 
The yellow discolouration takes a bit of time to ebb away. The more
important indicator of how she is doing is that she is more steady on her
feet and has an interest in eating. She has clearly improved, so don’t let
the yellow colour concern you. It should fade away on its own.
 
After tonight, if she is as good as you saw her today, I would take her
home. She needs to eat, and needs to be nudged to eat as much as possible.
That will help get rid of some of the bilirubin as some of it is excreted in
feces. It will also improve her outlook on life if she is eating again.
 
Later on, you can follow up on the glucose. Glucose doesn’t just rise above
the normal reference range with diabetes. Animals and people will have an
elevated glucose when the body is in crisis or in pain. Retest her at a time
when she is feeling better. For the potassium (which is the “K” number) it
is just barely low. I would not leave her at the vet’s or give her more
fluids just for that.
 
However, I would ask for her bloodwork to be retested after the fluids.
Ideally, you should start to see the bilirubin, GGT and ALT dropping. The
potassium may also now be in the reference range, and let’s see what the
glucose looks like.
 
One key thing I was taught was that you treat the patient, not the numbers.
I follow the lab numbers closely, but the more important thing, is how is
she doing. She is improving and hopefully will continue to do so. I think
that a retest of her blood work should confirm that.
 
Take her home as soon as possible and give her some TLC!
 
Was the can of salmon a can of catfood salmon or human food salmon? If
catfood, I understand that there have been incidents of liver failure
because of an additive/preservative called ethoxyquin which is added to fish
or fish meal. (Fish meal can also sometimes be contaminated with mycotoxins
which might also have a deleterious effect on the liver.) That might also
explain why the jaundice seemed to come on so suddenly after ingestion. Do a
Google search on the brand name and see if others have reported a problem.
 
Amani
 
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-13-16 8:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Amani,

I noticed the glucose right away. I had a diabetic dog that required insulin
twice a day and so that number stuck out. I believe these tests were before
the IV. I didn’t look at the bag closely that they were giving her but I
think it was Dextrose. I will ask him about that tomorrow.  With this
jaundice…is the fact that it really hasn’t gotten any better an indicator
that she isn’t any better? Or does that take a while to return to normal? I
will also ask him about the potassium. Is that the K number?

 

She had an interest in a can of salmon that I opened on Saturday. So I sat
aside a little for her and fed it to her bits at a time for a couple of days
before this all happened. I told the vet about it. She never had salmon
before. He didn’t think that was anything.

 

The doxy clearly made a huge difference. Around the house here, she just
came alive after the first week of being on it. That tip, and the doc
finally agreeing to prescribe it…saved her life I believe. Thank you so
much.

 

I don’t think they are giving her one other than that bag of fluid. He
really didn’t want to do anything and I actually begged him to hospitalize
her and give her a chance. I am sure he thought her blood tests would show
the very 

Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well they released her today. Not much drop on the TBIL. She is less yellow.
She is still very wobbly but not as bad as when I took her in. Is
disoriented. Her BUN today was below normal at 14. Her ALT had dropped from
237 to 194 with the normal range shown below. She ate pretty good when I got
her home. Not drinking anything so I am just giving her an eyedropper of
water every half hour or so.

I know she needs to eat to keep this elimination thing going. Should I be
giving her food every hour? At least a couple of bites in a syringe? Is
there anything else I need to do for her. I have her safely away in a small
bathroom to protect her.

The doctor told me to get her back on the Winstrol but I am going to wait a
day or so. He gave her a shot of pred before I got there so told me not to
give her that pill.

Wish us luck!

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:47 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

Sherri
 
The results aren’t that bad at all. I have seen Total Billirubins (TBili) in
the thousands and the babies/humans and animals survived. The liver enzymes
are barely budged. They are  wee bit up but again, I have seen them in the
thousands with no effect on the cats. There may have been a gallbladder
blockage or something like that, (though I don’t know if cats get these).
This may have been washed out by the fluids she is getting.
 
Your explanation regarding adding the Doxycycline explains everything. What
I have repeatedly said in this forum is that you need the combination of
Winstrol to up the cell production and Doxycycline to retard the
reproduction of the viruses. You can see the difference in the results once
the Doxycycline was added at the end of October.
 
I am hoping that Bogey is out of the woods now. I don’t think that either
the Doxy or the Winstrol are the culprit here. The Winstrol is likely
getting the liver enzymes to increase a bit but only a very small bit. The
ALT and GGT are the only ones a bit elevated, but again, I have seen these
in the thousands – especially the ALT.
 
I do notice however that her potassium is a bit low (I hope they were giving
her some potassium in the fluids) and her glucose is a bit high. Did they
give her dextrose?
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-13-16 7:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

She was really out of it earlier today. Couldn’t stand on her own. Very
confused. Dr told me once a cat goes yellow like that they don’t normally
survive. The tech that was in there with me today said she couldn’t believe
the test results weren’t worse than the were. Said the TBIL was the bad
thing. I haven’t looked it up yet.

 

We added Doxy on 10/24. Two weeks on and then a month off. So she was in to
her second round of it. No other changes. Feeding her anything and
everything she would eat. The doc didn’t want to see her again until after
the second round of Doxy. We were just about done with it.

 

I have bounced a lot of email here too. Might be copying and pasting from
Excel that is making the emails run big.

 

Anyway…here ya go.

 
Scale12-Dec
GLU74-159178
BUN16-3623
CREA08-2.41.3
BUN/CREA18
PHOS3.1-7.54.5
CA7.8-11.39.8
TP5.7-8.98.7
ALB2.2-4.03.1
GLOB2.8-5.15.6
ALB/GLB0.6
ALT12-130237
ALKP14-11139
GGT0-48
TBIL.0-.927.9
CHOL65-225170
AMYL500-1500842
LIPA100-1400255
NA150-165158
K3.5-5.83.4
NA/K46
CL112-129114
OSM CALC318
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Amani,
I noticed the glucose right away. I had a diabetic dog that required insulin
twice a day and so that number stuck out. I believe these tests were before
the IV. I didn’t look at the bag closely that they were giving her but I
think it was Dextrose. I will ask him about that tomorrow.  With this
jaundice…is the fact that it really hasn’t gotten any better an indicator
that she isn’t any better? Or does that take a while to return to normal? I
will also ask him about the potassium. Is that the K number?

She had an interest in a can of salmon that I opened on Saturday. So I sat
aside a little for her and fed it to her bits at a time for a couple of days
before this all happened. I told the vet about it. She never had salmon
before. He didn’t think that was anything.

The doxy clearly made a huge difference. Around the house here, she just
came alive after the first week of being on it. That tip, and the doc
finally agreeing to prescribe it…saved her life I believe. Thank you so
much.

I don’t think they are giving her one other than that bag of fluid. He
really didn’t want to do anything and I actually begged him to hospitalize
her and give her a chance. I am sure he thought her blood tests would show
the very worst.

Thanks for the feedback on these test results Amani. I feel a little hopeful
tonight. She is never very comfortable at the Vet’s office. She is looking
for a way to escape normally or someplace to hide. Once she gets home she is
fine. She hates her cage. But when I sat her on the floor to let her try to
walk a little she headed straight for it. I think she would like to come
home.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:47 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

Sherri
 
The results aren’t that bad at all. I have seen Total Billirubins (TBili) in
the thousands and the babies/humans and animals survived. The liver enzymes
are barely budged. They are  wee bit up but again, I have seen them in the
thousands with no effect on the cats. There may have been a gallbladder
blockage or something like that, (though I don’t know if cats get these).
This may have been washed out by the fluids she is getting.
 
Your explanation regarding adding the Doxycycline explains everything. What
I have repeatedly said in this forum is that you need the combination of
Winstrol to up the cell production and Doxycycline to retard the
reproduction of the viruses. You can see the difference in the results once
the Doxycycline was added at the end of October.
 
I am hoping that Bogey is out of the woods now. I don’t think that either
the Doxy or the Winstrol are the culprit here. The Winstrol is likely
getting the liver enzymes to increase a bit but only a very small bit. The
ALT and GGT are the only ones a bit elevated, but again, I have seen these
in the thousands – especially the ALT.
 
I do notice however that her potassium is a bit low (I hope they were giving
her some potassium in the fluids) and her glucose is a bit high. Did they
give her dextrose?
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-13-16 7:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

She was really out of it earlier today. Couldn’t stand on her own. Very
confused. Dr told me once a cat goes yellow like that they don’t normally
survive. The tech that was in there with me today said she couldn’t believe
the test results weren’t worse than the were. Said the TBIL was the bad
thing. I haven’t looked it up yet.

 

We added Doxy on 10/24. Two weeks on and then a month off. So she was in to
her second round of it. No other changes. Feeding her anything and
everything she would eat. The doc didn’t want to see her again until after
the second round of Doxy. We were just about done with it.

 

I have bounced a lot of email here too. Might be copying and pasting from
Excel that is making the emails run big.

 

Anyway…here ya go.

 
Scale12-Dec
GLU74-159178
BUN16-3623
CREA08-2.41.3
BUN/CREA18
PHOS3.1-7.54.5
CA7.8-11.39.8
TP5.7-8.98.7
ALB2.2-4.03.1
GLOB2.8-5.15.6
ALB/GLB0.6
ALT12-130237
ALKP14-11139
GGT0-48
TBIL.0-.927.9
CHOL65-225170
AMYL500-1500842
LIPA100-1400255
NA150-165158
K3.5-5.83.4
NA/K46
CL112-129114
OSM CALC318
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

She was really out of it earlier today. Couldn’t stand on her own. Very
confused. Dr told me once a cat goes yellow like that they don’t normally
survive. The tech that was in there with me today said she couldn’t believe
the test results weren’t worse than the were. Said the TBIL was the bad
thing. I haven’t looked it up yet.

We added Doxy on 10/24. Two weeks on and then a month off. So she was in to
her second round of it. No other changes. Feeding her anything and
everything she would eat. The doc didn’t want to see her again until after
the second round of Doxy. We were just about done with it.

I have bounced a lot of email here too. Might be copying and pasting from
Excel that is making the emails run big.

Anyway…here ya go.

  
  Scale 12-Dec  
 GLU 74-159 178  
 BUN 16-36 23  
 CREA 08-2.4 1.3  
 BUN/CREA  18  
 PHOS 3.1-7.5 4.5  
 CA 7.8-11.3 9.8  
 TP 5.7-8.9 8.7  
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.1  
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 5.6  
 ALB/GLB  0.6  
 ALT 12-130 237  
 ALKP 14-111 39  
 GGT 0-4 8  
 TBIL .0-.9 27.9  
 CHOL 65-225 170  
 AMYL 500-1500 842 
 LIPA 100-1400 255 
 NA 150-165 158  
 K 3.5-5.8 3.4  
 NA/K  46  
 CL 112-129 114  
 OSM CALC  318 

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 7:11 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

Sherri
 
Good to hear there has been an improvement. I wanted to say that to you in
my previous email, because I was surprised you were saying you thought she
wouldn’t recover. Usually, there is a pretty rapid turn-around as the
bilirubin and enzymes drop. It is very good news that she is eating a bit as
well. However, I am of course not there, and you can see her and I can’t. My
feeling though is that her since her underlying results were showing such an
improvement in haematocrit, red cells, haemoglobin, and platelets, then I
felt she would come through the jaundice okay.
 
The lab results you have sent me are pretty puzzling though. There seems to
have been a trend between August 24 to October 26 and then some real changes
in virtually all cell parameters seen in the December 12th blood work. Any
other medication changes during the end of October to December 12th?
 
Amani
 
P.S. – sorry but I had to chop off your email to get this one to go through.
I had it returned to me THREE TIMES as being to big, even though the last
time I sent it, it was just my email and your previous one, with the rest
chopped off. I keep asking if the moderators can address this limited size
thing, but there’s been no change.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Yes…here are her comparison results. I just visited with her and she appears
better this evening. She seemed less out of it. Walking better. Ate a
little. Even the guy who cleans the ICU there said he saw much improvement.
Hoping and praying. Amani they gave me two sheets of test results this time.
It’s the one that shows the enzyme levels and such. I will post that in a
bit.

  
  Range 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 1.48 10.29 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 0.92 6.88 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 0.05 0.67 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
 PLT 151 800 122 28 53 88 50



From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 4:46 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

That is very strange indeed. Usually, any jaundice develops rather slowly.
Your description leaves me confused. Have they tested her again to see what
the current values are?
 
I don’t understand the numbers you have posted, by the way. Perhaps they are
in different units than what I am familiar with. I also don’t recognize the
abbreviation you used. If you want more information, please post the results
exactly as you have received them, along with full titles of the tests and
the reference ranges.
 
Amani
 
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-13-16 4:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Hi Amani. She is hospitalized. I am going up to see her again as soon as I
get out of here. She hasn't had the Winstrol now since Sunday at noon. The
jaundice was sudden. She was wobbly Sunday night but still eating. I made an
appointment for her right away but I couldn't get in for 5 hours. I gave her
a little tuna water and I swear within 15 minutes her ears had turned
yellow. So I took her right in. She is very sick. I can't imagine her
pulling through this.

 

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

The jaundice is probably a side effect of the Winstrol. Is she still on it?
If so, discontinue. You don’t need it right now anyway with her blood counts
doing so well. From what I saw in my cats, any of them whose liver enzymes
increased, would show a quick and steady drop of the enzymes once the
Winstrol was continued. After a rest period, I could start them on it again.
However, my cats didn’t actually show any jaundice, though their liver
enzymes (ALT, ALP, AST, Total Bilirubin, Direct Bilirubin) might increase.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-13-16 4:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable
recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice suddenly
yesterday and is not doing well at all.

 

Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9
and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit
was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then
everything went south in less than a day.

 

Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the
scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour. She
has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is eating.
But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but they are not
retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with her and she
knows my voice.

 

My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve
tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they
should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal
bowel movements. Her urine is dark.

 

I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one
will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions?

 

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Amani. She is hospitalized. I am going up to see her again as soon as I
get out of here. She hasn't had the Winstrol now since Sunday at noon. The
jaundice was sudden. She was wobbly Sunday night but still eating. I made
an appointment for her right away but I couldn't get in for 5 hours. I gave
her a little tuna water and I swear within 15 minutes her ears had turned
yellow. So I took her right in. She is very sick. I can't imagine her
pulling through this.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> The jaundice is probably a side effect of the Winstrol. Is she still on
> it? If so, discontinue. You don’t need it right now anyway with her blood
> counts doing so well. From what I saw in my cats, any of them whose liver
> enzymes increased, would show a quick and steady drop of the enzymes once
> the Winstrol was continued. After a rest period, I could start them on it
> again. However, my cats didn’t actually show any jaundice, though their
> liver enzymes (ALT, ALP, AST, Total Bilirubin, Direct Bilirubin) might
> increase.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Sherri Godschalk
> *Sent:* December-13-16 4:27 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
>
>
>
> I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable
> recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice
> suddenly yesterday and is not doing well at all.
>
>
>
> Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9
> and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit
> was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then
> everything went south in less than a day.
>
>
>
> Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the
> scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour.
> She has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is
> eating. But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but
> they are not retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with
> her and she knows my voice.
>
>
>
> My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve
> tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they
> should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal
> bowel movements. Her urine is dark.
>
>
>
> I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one
> will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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[Felvtalk] Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

I just wanted you all to know that my cat Bogey made an unbelievable
recovery in her counts in the last 6 weeks, only to become jaundice
suddenly yesterday and is not doing well at all.

Her platelets had jumped to 112 from the lower 20s. Her RBC was up to 4.9
and it had been half of that. The amazing jump had been in her hematocrit
was al the way up to 38 from 15. She had been feeling so good and then
everything went south in less than a day.

Her enzymes are at 29. And the scale at the DR says the high end of the
scale is .9. She turned yellow and I got her to the vet within the hour.
She has been on IV trying to flush things out for about 28 hours. She is
eating. But is very disoriented. I believe she is less wobbly today but
they are not retesting her blood until tomorrow. I have had 2 visits with
her and she knows my voice.

My doctor isn't willing to do anything else for her if she does't improve
tonight. With her normalized blood test now, I am wondering if maybe they
should look for a bile obstruction or something. She has no fever, normal
bowel movements. Her urine is dark.

I was just wondering if I should be trying to find another vet if this one
will not even ultrasound her. Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: [Felvtalk] KFC

[Sherri Godschalk]

Robert,
My parents told me that when I was toddler, I would sit out in the garage
with our coon dog Sparky and share his Chuck Wagon dog food with him. One
morsel for him, one morsel for me. How frightening! :-)

Bogey is pretty stubborn about wet food. Once in awhile she will lap at
one and I will think ³Success² and the next time she turns her nose up at
it. I am a twice a week shopper in the cat food aisle at Petsmart. Here is
something interesting. I have been recovering from a major surgery. Since
I couldn¹t really cook for myself for a while, my family purchased a bunch
of Hormel shelf meals for me. Or as I like to call them Space Food. I have
to be pretty hungry to eat one and last week I stuck one in the microwave
and sat down at the table to eat it when Bogey hopped on the table and
next to it and made some attempts to eat it. I moved to another location
and she followed me. It truly was an awful meal but she thought it was her
food I think. So I am going to find out what all is in there to see if
it is safe for her to eat. I sure don¹t want her to have garlic. She was
very excited about it that is for sure.

If I say so myself, I make pretty dam good fried chicken. Cast iron
skillet and all. People in my family ask for it. My cat won¹t touch it.
KFCŠshe LOVES!

On 10/28/16, 4:34 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Amani et al...
>
>What do you suspect is the magical secret of KFC over cooking regular
>chicken at home??  Is it the 12 secret spices??  : )   Perhaps the
>infusion of frying oil into the meat??  Frankly, if there was one nearby
>I'd be happy to forget cooking chicken for my boys to supplement their
>diet ( I want them to have a LOT more moisture and baby food is getting
>WAY too expensive  Neither are fans of wet cat foods but I still
>have another 200 brands to get through : )  Hell... if I didn't have
>the cats to cook for I probably wouldn't cook at all.   I put a menu
>down and they press a paw to their choice...it works well.
>Sherri...  I'm glad you and Bogey are enjoying it now if only WE
>enjoyed Friskies Pate or Natural Balance Duck and Pea the world would be
>a brighter place...
>
>
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>> and taking care of her. Peace to you
>>
>> Sherri
>>
>> From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Kelley S
>>
>> Reply-To:  Date:  Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:49 PM
>> To:  felvtalk Subject:  [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco
>>
>> Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and
>> running
>> around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone.
>> Probably
>> better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through a long
>> protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

[Sherri Godschalk]

Armani,
I tried the KFC today, she loved it. So does her mom so that was dinner
for both of us. 

The only other information on the results print out they give me is a
“smear” on the bottom. Says “Fluorescence” under it. Mentions rbc, retics,
plt, rbc flags and wbc,in a legend of sorts. I am sure that means
something.

Bogey is actually playing with her Qtips this evening. She brought one in
to show me. So she is still having fun. Today has been a good day.

Sherri

On 10/26/16, 6:40 PM, "Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

>Sherri, half the battle is keeping her eating. As long as she is eating,
>you are ahead of the curve. I really don't like the low platelet count
>but nothing else in the bloodwork is very alarming right now. Were there
>clots in the sample? Did they do a slide count? See if your results have
>anything at the bottom about the recheck they did for the low platelets.
>
>Keep Bogey eating, as much as possible. Use things like tuna water or
>tuna juice from tuna cans, to keep her hungry. Get Kentucky Fried Chicken
>for her (without the covering!).
>
>You are doing very well for your little girl. I'm glad your vet isn't
>giving up, and neither should you or Bogey.
>
>I'm crossing my fingers for you that the Doxycycline helps. Frankly,
>though, he shouldn't have waited to get bad news. At least he is willing
>to try it now.
>
>Amani 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Sherri Godschalk
>Sent: October-26-16 6:44 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>
>Hi Amani. I did feel very happy that he agreed to the Doxy. Maybe the
>fact that the current regiment was clearly becoming ineffective made him
>think we needed to add something. He is going to look into Interferon for
>her and I am going to research that this evening as I have only seen it
>mentioned here and there. He isn't giving up and I am awfully glad about
>that because I am nowhere near ready. I don't think Bogey is ready either.
>
>Sherri
>
>On 10/26/16, 1:59 PM, "Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley"
><felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi Sherri
>>
>>Yes, some of the results are worse (especially the platelets) but the
>>retic count is actually up a bit. I hope that adding the Doxycycline
>>might help.  The haematocrit and red cells are down, but nowhere as low
>>as I have seen them in cats with FeLV, so there is a lot of cushion
>>still there. The best piece of news is that she is eating and drinking
>>and gaining weight.
>>
>>Amani
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>Of Sherri Godschalk
>>Sent: October-26-16 12:59 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>>
>>Just a bit of information regarding Bogey¹s last lab results. She had
>>been sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn¹t surprise me.
>>Everything has taken a down turn.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>  Range   26-Oct  30-Sep
>>RBC   6.5412.22.542.9
>>HCT   30.352.314.817.9
>>HGB   9.8 16.25.2 6.2
>>MCV   35.953.158.361.7
>>MCH   11.817.320.521.4
>>MCHC  28.135.835.134.6
>>RDW   15  27  24.525.2
>>RETIC 3   50  89.982.1
>>WBC   2.8717.02   13.05   12.01
>>NEU   1.481.029   3.973.96
>>LYM   0.926.887.8 6.81
>>MONO  0.050.671.161.17
>>EOS   0.171.570.110.06
>>BASO  0.010.260.010.01
>>PLT   151 800 28  53
>>
>>
>>The only bit of good news is the doc did start her on Doxycycline twice
>>a day. So she is going to be on that and Prednisolone and Stanzolol. I
>>also give her Petinic twice a day and am going to add Lysine. I hope
>>that the Doxy isn¹t arriving too late to help.
>>
>>Bogey is not suffering. She is eating, drinking and gaining weight,
>>although just a little, playing once in awhile. She is hiding now which
>>she never did before. My heart hurts today.
>>
>>Thanks for listening.
>>
>>Sherri
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco

[Sherri Godschalk]

So sorry about Coco. Sounds like it was peaceful for her. Thanks for loving
and taking care of her. Peace to you

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Kelley S

Reply-To:  
Date:  Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:49 PM
To:  felvtalk 
Subject:  [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco

Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and running
around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone.  Probably
better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through a long
protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey...

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thank you Robert. It is a roller coaster of emotions. I sleep very well
when I hear her playing with her wad of paper in the hall in the middle of
the night.

Cute story about the your cats and the mystery leaves. :-) I have decided
that cat toys are a complete waste of money anymore. A cotton ball, qtip,
bubble wrap, feather earring all are more interesting to Bogey.

I am starting to see that her good days are not as good as they were a
month ago. No butt wiggles or jumping out to surprise the pups. She is
just a tiny little 6.2 pound cat and had such a big personality. She does
seem content like you described. Purrs and guards the bird feeders through
the window from her condo. She probably sick of all the attention I give
her, especially at pill time. I do hope she can bounce back.

This is such a terrible, awful disease. Thanks for tips on what your cat
will eat. I am writing them all down so I can try them with Bogey. She had
her first KFC today. She wanted more but I thought I better offer it to
her in small meals.

I agree about the blood tests. It just really affirmed what I already
knew. 

Thank you for writing!

On 10/27/16, 2:46 PM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:

>Sherri...
>My heart goes out to you... I KNOW very firsthand how difficult it is to
>have no idea which way it will go.
>I've thought my little guy was on his way out too many times to count
>already and he just keeps bouncing back... Not always as well as before
>but he still eats well, purrs a lot despite the 7 meds I have to give
>him for his eyes and manages to stay out of reach of his Heavier, insane
>1 yr old " brother" ( also FeLV+ but mercifully still healthy and
>currently engaged in bringing leaves from the porch, individually in his
>mouth, into the kitchen to play with I couldn't figure out where all
>the leaves were coming from until I saw him do this, meticulously, over
>15 minutes it was "cute overload"!!
>I went to the ends of the earth to find things that Yogi would eat when
>he was at his worst and the ONLY thing that worked for me was to grind
>temptations chicken treats very finely and sprinkle them over all meat
>baby food ( I tried a variety of meats I cooked myself and ground but he
>preferred the baby food)... Sometimes Chicken Broth on a plate inspired
>him to drink a bit moreworked better than a bowel as kitties do not
>see straight down and his nose was, at times , a bit stuffed...  Don't
>know if this is useful but my experience here is that the cumulative
>experience of everyone usually nets some good useable ideasPlease
>try not to stress too much over the blood results there was a time
>before we had the ability to know whats going on inside bodies that we
>just judged how well we ( or our creatures) were doing by their
>functioning... and he appears to be functioning reasonably well...  Heck
>... people run marathons with heart conditions..
>
>
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>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:34:17 -0500
>> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup
>> today - bad results
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>> I'll be praying the Doxy helps!!
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 10:38 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>>
>> Ardy,
>> She has been on the prednisolone since August 1. The Stanzolol about

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

[Sherri Godschalk]

Great ideas on the KFC, tuna and such. I will get some tomorrow for her. I
am trying to find something with not much salt as I was always told that
thins the blood. Is that an old wive’s tale?

On 10/26/16, 7:29 PM, "felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of
dlg...@windstream.net" <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of
dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

>RE:  APPETITE, TRY A CAN OF MACKEREL, THE STINKIER THE BETTER THEY SEEM
>TO LIKE IT.
>
> Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>> Sherri, half the battle is keeping her eating. As long as she is
>>eating, you are ahead of the curve. I really don't like the low platelet
>>count but nothing else in the bloodwork is very alarming right now. Were
>>there clots in the sample? Did they do a slide count? See if your
>>results have anything at the bottom about the recheck they did for the
>>low platelets.
>> 
>> Keep Bogey eating, as much as possible. Use things like tuna water or
>>tuna juice from tuna cans, to keep her hungry. Get Kentucky Fried
>>Chicken for her (without the covering!).
>> 
>> You are doing very well for your little girl. I'm glad your vet isn't
>>giving up, and neither should you or Bogey.
>> 
>> I'm crossing my fingers for you that the Doxycycline helps. Frankly,
>>though, he shouldn't have waited to get bad news. At least he is willing
>>to try it now.
>> 
>> Amani 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>Of Sherri Godschalk
>> Sent: October-26-16 6:44 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>> 
>> Hi Amani. I did feel very happy that he agreed to the Doxy. Maybe the
>>fact that the current regiment was clearly becoming ineffective made him
>>think we needed to add something. He is going to look into Interferon
>>for her and I am going to research that this evening as I have only seen
>>it mentioned here and there. He isn't giving up and I am awfully glad
>>about that because I am nowhere near ready. I don't think Bogey is ready
>>either.
>> 
>> Sherri
>> 
>> On 10/26/16, 1:59 PM, "Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley"
>> <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of
>>aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Hi Sherri
>> >
>> >Yes, some of the results are worse (especially the platelets) but the
>> >retic count is actually up a bit. I hope that adding the Doxycycline
>> >might help.  The haematocrit and red cells are down, but nowhere as
>>low 
>> >as I have seen them in cats with FeLV, so there is a lot of cushion
>> >still there. The best piece of news is that she is eating and drinking
>> >and gaining weight.
>> >
>> >Amani
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> >Of Sherri Godschalk
>> >Sent: October-26-16 12:59 PM
>> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> >Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>> >
>> >Just a bit of information regarding Bogey¹s last lab results. She had
>> >been sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn¹t surprise
>>me.
>> >Everything has taken a down turn.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  
>> >Range   26-Oct  30-Sep
>> >RBC 6.5412.22.542.9
>> >HCT 30.352.314.817.9
>> >HGB 9.8 16.25.2 6.2
>> >MCV 35.953.158.361.7
>> >MCH 11.817.320.521.4
>> >MCHC28.135.835.134.6
>> >RDW 15  27  24.525.2
>> >RETIC   3   50  89.982.1
>> >WBC 2.8717.02   13.05   12.01
>> >NEU 1.481.029   3.973.96
>> >LYM 0.926.887.8 6.81
>> >MONO0.050.671.161.17
>> >EOS 0.171.570.110.06
>> >BASO0.010.260.010.01
>> >PLT 151 800 28  53
>> >
>> >
>> >The only bit of good news is the doc did start her on Doxycycline
>>twice 
>> >a day. So she is going to be on that and Prednisolone and Stanzolol. I
>> >also give her Petinic twice a day and am going to add Lysine. I hope
>> >that the Doxy isn¹t arriving too late to help.
>> >
>> >Bogey is not suffering. She is eating, drinking and gaining 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

[Sherri Godschalk]

Ardy,
She has been on the prednisolone since August 1. The Stanzolol about 2
weeks after that. Today was first day of Doxy. Thanks for the well wishes.
I think we are going to need them.

SHerri

On 10/26/16, 10:54 PM, "Felvtalk on behalf of Ardy Robertson"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of ar...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>Can I ask how long she has been on the Stanozolol? And you just started
>the
>Prednisolone and Doxy, correct? My best wishes to Bogey to improve soon!!
>
>Ardy
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Amani Oakley
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:59 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>
>Hi Sherri
>
>Yes, some of the results are worse (especially the platelets) but the
>retic
>count is actually up a bit. I hope that adding the Doxycycline might help.
>The haematocrit and red cells are down, but nowhere as low as I have seen
>them in cats with FeLV, so there is a lot of cushion still there. The best
>piece of news is that she is eating and drinking and gaining weight.
>
>Amani
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Sherri Godschalk
>Sent: October-26-16 12:59 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>
>Just a bit of information regarding Bogey¹s last lab results. She had been
>sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn¹t surprise me.
>Everything has taken a down turn.
> 
> 
>  
>   Range   26-Oct  30-Sep
>RBC6.5412.22.542.9
>HCT30.352.314.817.9
>HGB9.8 16.25.2 6.2
>MCV35.953.158.361.7
>MCH11.817.320.521.4
>MCHC   28.135.835.134.6
>RDW15  27  24.525.2
>RETIC  3   50  89.982.1
>WBC2.8717.02   13.05   12.01
>NEU1.481.029   3.973.96
>LYM0.926.887.8 6.81
>MONO   0.050.671.161.17
>EOS0.171.570.110.06
>BASO   0.010.260.010.01
>PLT151 800 28  53
>
>
>The only bit of good news is the doc did start her on Doxycycline twice a
>day. So she is going to be on that and Prednisolone and Stanzolol. I also
>give her Petinic twice a day and am going to add Lysine. I hope that the
>Doxy isn¹t arriving too late to help.
>
>Bogey is not suffering. She is eating, drinking and gaining weight,
>although
>just a little, playing once in awhile. She is hiding now which she never
>did
>before. My heart hurts today.
>
>Thanks for listening.
>
>Sherri
> 
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Sandy…just a discouraging day. I am hoping I will feel more positive
tomorrow.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Sandy
<swacht1...@comcast.net>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 1:01 PM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

Don't give up hope
Sandy W


From: "Sherri Godschalk" <skgodschal...@gmail.com>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 12:58:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

Just a bit of information regarding Bogey¹s last lab results. She had been
sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn¹t surprise me.
Everything has taken a down turn.
 
 
  
Range26-Oct30-Sep
RBC6.5412.22.542.9
HCT30.352.314.817.9
HGB9.816.25.26.2
MCV35.953.158.361.7
MCH11.817.320.521.4
MCHC28.135.835.134.6
RDW152724.525.2
RETIC35089.982.1
WBC2.8717.0213.0512.01
NEU1.481.0293.973.96
LYM0.926.887.86.81
MONO0.050.671.161.17
EOS0.171.570.110.06
BASO0.010.260.010.01
PLT1518002853


The only bit of good news is the doc did start her on Doxycycline twice a
day. So she is going to be on that and Prednisolone and Stanzolol. I also
give her Petinic twice a day and am going to add Lysine. I hope that the
Doxy isn¹t arriving too late to help.

Bogey is not suffering. She is eating, drinking and gaining weight,
although just a little, playing once in awhile. She is hiding now which
she never did before. My heart hurts today.

Thanks for listening.

Sherri
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Amani. I did feel very happy that he agreed to the Doxy. Maybe the fact
that the current regiment was clearly becoming ineffective made him think
we needed to add something. He is going to look into Interferon for her
and I am going to research that this evening as I have only seen it
mentioned here and there. He isn’t giving up and I am awfully glad about
that because I am nowhere near ready. I don’t think Bogey is ready either.

Sherri

On 10/26/16, 1:59 PM, "Felvtalk on behalf of Amani Oakley"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

>Hi Sherri
>
>Yes, some of the results are worse (especially the platelets) but the
>retic count is actually up a bit. I hope that adding the Doxycycline
>might help.  The haematocrit and red cells are down, but nowhere as low
>as I have seen them in cats with FeLV, so there is a lot of cushion still
>there. The best piece of news is that she is eating and drinking and
>gaining weight.
>
>Amani
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Sherri Godschalk
>Sent: October-26-16 12:59 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results
>
>Just a bit of information regarding Bogey¹s last lab results. She had
>been sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn¹t surprise me.
>Everything has taken a down turn.
> 
> 
>  
>   Range   26-Oct  30-Sep
>RBC6.5412.22.542.9
>HCT30.352.314.817.9
>HGB9.8 16.25.2 6.2
>MCV35.953.158.361.7
>MCH11.817.320.521.4
>MCHC   28.135.835.134.6
>RDW15  27  24.525.2
>RETIC  3   50  89.982.1
>WBC2.8717.02   13.05   12.01
>NEU1.481.029   3.973.96
>LYM0.926.887.8 6.81
>MONO   0.050.671.161.17
>EOS0.171.570.110.06
>BASO   0.010.260.010.01
>PLT151 800 28  53
>
>
>The only bit of good news is the doc did start her on Doxycycline twice a
>day. So she is going to be on that and Prednisolone and Stanzolol. I also
>give her Petinic twice a day and am going to add Lysine. I hope that the
>Doxy isn¹t arriving too late to help.
>
>Bogey is not suffering. She is eating, drinking and gaining weight,
>although just a little, playing once in awhile. She is hiding now which
>she never did before. My heart hurts today.
>
>Thanks for listening.
>
>Sherri
> 
>
>
>
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[Felvtalk] Bogey's checkup today - bad results

[Sherri Godschalk]

Just a bit of information regarding Bogey¹s last lab results. She had been
sleeping a lot and not as active so this really didn¹t surprise me.
Everything has taken a down turn.
 
 
  
Range   26-Oct  30-Sep
RBC 6.5412.22.542.9
HCT 30.352.314.817.9
HGB 9.8 16.25.2 6.2
MCV 35.953.158.361.7
MCH 11.817.320.521.4
MCHC28.135.835.134.6
RDW 15  27  24.525.2
RETIC   3   50  89.982.1
WBC 2.8717.02   13.05   12.01
NEU 1.481.029   3.973.96
LYM 0.926.887.8 6.81
MONO0.050.671.161.17
EOS 0.171.570.110.06
BASO0.010.260.010.01
PLT 151 800 28  53


The only bit of good news is the doc did start her on Doxycycline twice a
day. So she is going to be on that and Prednisolone and Stanzolol. I also
give her Petinic twice a day and am going to add Lysine. I hope that the
Doxy isn¹t arriving too late to help.

Bogey is not suffering. She is eating, drinking and gaining weight,
although just a little, playing once in awhile. She is hiding now which
she never did before. My heart hurts today.

Thanks for listening.

Sherri
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Had to shorten thisŠhope it doesn¹t post twice as it went to the moderator
because of size.

Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet.

Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder what
logic is used when saying that the side affects from taking the Stanzolol
are liver issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is death. I know for
me personally, if I was sick and facing this decision, I know what I would
do without question. Believe it or not, I read that exact paper you are
describing when Bogey was first prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I
felt pretty defeated (although many of the terms were over my head) after
reading it. I did not notice the dosages though. Doesn¹t sound like a very
scientific study does it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of
vets who are willing to prescribe it as well as the results each person has
with their pet that is taking it. There again, I am way out in front of
myself here because Bogey is not thriving but she did just run into the room
with a Q-tip in her mouth (her favorite toy) and 60 days ago she could
barely walk into the room without laying down. She has also steadily gained
weight. Over a pound which doesn¹t sound like much but she barely weighed 5
pounds to begin with. Life is still happening here.

It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing Stanzolol.
Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am not a drug user)
>From what you found with your other cat, clearly this could be a positive
choice for inoperable tumors, and or life extending treatment for senior
pets. At any rate, I feel luckier each day that my current vet values the
life of my cat enough to try to save her. It sounds like your vet is
terrific and that you have a great, long relationship with them. I hope to
have the same, one day.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:29 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

Sherri
 
I wouldn¹t recommend you run the liver enzymes. If they rise (and they often
do) it will cause your vet to try to get you to stop the Winstrol.
 
I was running a full biochemistry profile along with the full haematology
profile on Zander. So tests like ALP, AST, ALT, TBili and DBili are
indicators of liver function. With Zander, they rose sharply, but there was
simply no other option but to continue. I had done all my research, tried
out the two most likely new and promising therapies (LTCI and Interferon)
and they were not at all (I mean AT ALL) helpful. So, discontinuing the
Winstrol meant certain death for Zander. I am so glad I ignored the liver
enzymes. They settled down on their own, and Zander never had any liver
problems after almost a FULL YEAR on Winstrol.
 
I had another cat with a nasal sarcoma, who was 16 when she got the sarcoma
and a tiny skinny thing. I put her on Winstrol because again, there were no
really good options. Again, I had a great response, with it upping her
appetite dramatically, and keeping the sarcoma in a shrunken state with far
less discharge and swelling than prior to the administration of the
Winstrol. Her liver enzymes went through the roof and the vet (a very good
friend of mine who is the head of vet oncology and a brilliant man) knowing
how I feel about Winstrol, just asked if I would agree to discontinue the
Winstrol to see if the liver enzymes would reduce. (Very gently. He knew he
was on thin ice.)  I did, for a few weeks, then put her back on. She lived
to age 19 with that sarcoma, because the Winstrol kept her eating, and happy
and strong.
 
One of the smart folks on this chatline, recently sent me what was likely
the stupid vet research publication which likely started the whole ³liver²
scare. Look it up because I cannot attach it to this email as it will not go
through. The title is, ³Hepatotoxicity of stanozolol in cats² by Kenneth R.
Harkin, et. al. in JAVMA, Vol. 217, No. 5, September 1, 2000. Bizarrely, in
this study, the authors put the cats on a ³loading dose² of 25 mg
intramuscularly, then 2 mg a day by mouth, every 12 hours. So, just for
starters, you see that for some reason, they started the cats on TEN TIMES
the normal dose, and them kept them on at least TWO TIMES the normal dosefor
the rest of the study. Even then, here are some telltale pieces of
information:


 


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Oh my gosh Amani! What an incredible story. The chances that he could
survive from where he was. I cannot imagine the joy you felt when you saw
his gums were pink. What a long road for the both of you. Says so much about
you. So your vet knew of the treatment but was afraid of it. Hopefully the
next FELV cat they saw in their office, they remembered the success that you
experienced and prescribed accordingly. How lucky that you had the knowledge
you did, the confidence to respectfully challenge the ones telling you there
was no hope. Zander was one lucky kitty.

I can¹t say that I don¹t worry about the side effects of the drugs Bogey is
taking. But I understand that he has to survive THIS first. I am not so sure
that my vet has anything against using Doxycicline as much as he just
doesn¹t see a need for it yet. What test was run on Zander to check the
liver enzymes you mentioned?

Getting the message out about this drug and it¹s positive response in FELV
anemic cats is something I truly hope happens. When my vet gave me this pill
for Bogey, I had no idea what it was. He told me it was a steroid that body
builders take. I ran home, gave the cat the pill, sat down at my computer
and Googled ³Felv Stanzolol² and this site came up. I have written a bit
about my experience thus far here, and on a Facebook page for FIV and FELV
cats. But it makes me feel bad for the people that read it and get hopeful,
go to their vets and get the ³doesn¹t help², ³bad for livers² or just ³No².
I know it is very early in Bogey¹s treatment and she may not continue to get
better with just what she is taking. But I am glad for every moment that I
have with her. I hope I have hundreds and thousands more.

Thanks for sharing the story about Zander. Amazing.





From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Friday, September 30, 2016 at 6:11 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

Yes, Sherri. There¹s no question this is a frustrating, devastating disease,
made far far worse by vets lacking in knowledge, and committed to just
putting down FeLV cats. Sherri, Zander¹s haematocrit was actually down to 5
initially, and he had to be placed in an oxygen tent because his haemoglobin
was so low his body would have had trouble transporting oxygen to the cells
in his body. I gave him blood transfusions initially, but could see that
they were only temporary stopgaps, and after the second one, he had a
reaction, so I was told he couldn¹t have any more transfusions, as the next
one would kill him. As a former medical technologist, I knew that to be
true. (In Canada, they didn¹t test for blood type at the time ­ don¹t know
if they do now.)
 
After trying Zander on a course of Interferon and a course of LTCI (or
whatever it is called ­ I always mix up the letters), I totally by chance,
opened up my drawer and rummaged through it in desperation because his
haematocrit had dropped from a high of 16 after his second blood
transfusion, back down to 10, and I knew I was going to lose him soon. He
was on Doxycycline and Prednisone, but it wasn¹t doing a thing for his cell
lines, which were all depressed ­ with the most critical being the red
cells/haematocrit numbers. Imagine my total surprise when, after I gave him
some old Winstrol I found in the drawer, I started noticing his ears and
gums taking on a pink hue and when I tested him 3 days after starting the
Winstrol, the haematocrit had gone up instead of steadily down.
 
My surprise grew, and finally overcame my skepticism (I mean, really, what
are the odds that I discovered a cure???) and Zander¹s results kept slowly
but steadily rising for months and months until he was finally out of danger
and then into the normal reference range for all his results.
 
Then, after a year, when I told the internal specialist who had very kindly
told me there was no hope with this disease, imagine my shock that he KNEW
about Winstrol and said that I had gone ³old-school² and this has been
something they used to use for this disease until ³word² spread that the
drug could cause liver damage!
 
Frankly, after reading about all the experiences of so many people in this
situation, I realize how lucky I am. Because of my background in health
care, my very long relationship with my vet clinic (which I would often
diagnose things before them and/or I would identify problems they hadn¹t
seen) AND very likely, my prickly personality/refusal to take no for an
answer, my vets were good enough to back off and let me do my thing. They
recognized that, OBVIOUSLY, they had nothing to offer me if the Winstrol
didn¹t work. They faithfully tried the Interferon and the LTCI at my
request, and ran the weekly bloodwork, and agreed that there were no
positive effects. They saw the positive effects with the WInstrol. They
tried 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Amani. 

I called the vets office right after I read what you wrote below and asked
again for the Doxycycline and he insisted she did not need it. I am just
going to have to hope that Bogey continues to get better on the regiment we
are on. I feel very thankful for my vet that he prescribing the Winstrol. I
hope it is enough.

Your boy Zander must have been one strong cat to recover from how sick he
was. It sounds like you really monitored him and gave him the best
treatment. Your advise and knowledge of this awful disease and the benefits
and pitfalls of trying to treat it is invaluable to all of us who are caring
for these lovely creatures.

I read this messaging board and feel so bad that cat owners who desperately
need this drug cannot get it. I believe without a doubt that as fast as
Bogey¹s counts were dropping, she would probably not still be with me today
without it. I am sure the stigma attached to it keeps a lot of vets from
prescribing it or maybe they are just uneducated about it. My other vet
wouldn¹t even discuss a transfusion as she was certain that nothing could
help us for very long. She was quite intent on me putting this cat down and
just wanted to wash her hands of us it seemed. So the stigma isn¹t just
about this treatment, it is around the disease itself. Her statement ³There
are plenty of other healthy cats that need good homes² is proof enough of
that.

How frustrating for all of us.

Thank you again for your insight.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, September 30, 2016 at 2:29 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] FW:  Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

Hi Sherri
 
Keep up with the bloodwork. Good for you. Because I did Zander¹s bloodwork
weekly, I was able to watch his counts very carefully as well, and this is
why I am so firm on what I saw that worked and what I saw that didn¹t work.
Keeping a close eye on the bloodwork will help you immediately point to the
effects of the medication, and I am sure that the stall you got on the
improvement of the bloodwork is solely because he removed her off the
Winstrol. I saw this drop or stagnation every time I even tried to wean
Zander down from 2 mg a day to 1 mg a day, for the first 10 months, but I
was starting at much worse blood results than you were. Zander¹s haematocrit
was 10 when I started the Winstrol.
 
Interesting about your vet¹s background. That may well explain his openness
to using Winstrol where so many others refuse. Those in athletics are well
aware of the amazing body building, muscle building, strength building
properties of Winstrol, and the fact that the rumoured side-effects are very
very exaggerated ­ probably to try and scare off athletes from using the
stuff. Once you use it, you find out it really doesn¹t have all those
terrible side effects, and it makes a real difference to improving body
strength. That is why I have come to the conclusion that, very sadly, we are
being denied access to Winstrol, not because it doesn¹t work or because it
has bad side effects, but because in the media it is BAD to take steroids if
you are an athlete. Why that should affect cats, or elderly people with
osteoporosis for that matter, is way way beyond me and very frustrating.
 
With respect to the platelets, my concern remains that the low platelet
count and the high lymphocyte count show that the virus is still actively
attacking cells. My theory is that while the Winstrol is working to build up
bone marrow and allow it to regenerate the lost red cells, the virus is
still attacking. That is why I believe that the Winstrol on its own will not
be enough, and you need to double-team the virus with the Doxycycline on the
one side, interfering with the ability of the virus to reproduce and the
Winstrol on the other hand, working to repair some of the damage caused by
the virus.
 
I don¹t think there is anything that directly will give you a boost on the
platelets, and my concern is that when the platelets drop so low, you have a
real risk of internal bleeding. I don¹t know what else to suggest.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: September-30-16 2:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Amani for the response.

I think I can work with him about keeping her on the Winstrol. Last time
when he took her off, since she has not been spayed, she went into heat and
it really took a lot out of her. And he immediately put her back on it. I
think I can convince him to not take her off until/if she is well enough to
be fixed. I am not sure why the resistance to the Doxycycline. I am sure I
am pestering him with these blood tests but don¹t really care if I am. They
are not free and I always pay each visit so in a perfect world it shouldn¹t
matter. I figure if I can get her in every couple of weeks without much guff
from him I feel I am able to keep a pretty good watch on her counts.

By the way, he is a coach at one of the large high schools here in Fort
Wayne and played sports himself when younger. So good call by you on his
history with athletics.

I feel quite worried about her platelets. Everything else was going the
right direction. To your knowledge is there anything I can do for her for
this problem? 

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:33 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

Sorry Sherri
 
I didn¹t see your comments below the numbers. I don¹t agree with your vet
about him taking her off the Winstrol. Given that you are running the blood
work regularly, though, you will be able to see if her numbers drop when the
Winstrol is removed. You already saw that when he took her off the Winstrol
before, her numbers flattened. He is just wrong. He must be a body builder
and familiar with how Winstrol is used in athletics ­ they cycle, but they
are not in a debilitated state and they are not cats, who metabolize things
differently than humans.
 
Anyhow, running the blood work regularly will help you if the need arises to
argue with him about taking off the Winstrol. Also, since he seems willing
to run the blood work regularly (as I did with Zander but I ran it weekly),
at some point, try again to discuss the Doxycycline and indicate that since
you are running the blood work regularly, you will be able to see quickly
enough, what the effect is.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: September-30-16 12:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
 

Hi everyone. I took Bogey back for another blood test today even though she
wasn¹t due until next week. I wanted to make sure we were going the right
direction with the meds and to try to push again for the Doxycyline. I may
not have spelled that right. No luck on that issue but her blood test all
showed improvement except that her platelets dropped which he didn¹t seem
that concerned about. She went without the Pet-tinic for a couple of days
because they were out and had to order it and he seemed to think that might
be part of that. Here is a comparison from 2 weeks ago. It is a gradual
improvement but none the less made me happy. She really doesn¹t appear to be
feeling any better as these number rise but maybe that is a side effect of
the powerful steroids.

 
30-Sep16-Sep24-Aug
RBC2.92.572.43
HCT17.915.315.3
HGB6.25.55.3
MCV61.759.162.6
MCH21.421.421.8
MCHC34.636.234.9
RDW25.223.723.9
RETIC82.178.161.5
WBC12.0114.4713.46
NEU3.964.074.03
LYM6.818.837.75
MONO1.171.521.58
EOS0.060.0040.01
BASO0.010.010
PLT538850
 

For people not familiar with Bogey she is 13 month old FEVL positive
diagnosed on 8-1. Started on 5 mg Prednisolone and 2 mg of Stanzolol on
8-18. She eats and drinks well and is sometimes quite playful. But she does
sleep a lot and tires easily. She is on her second cycle of the Stanzolol,
the first of which was only 2 weeks and off for 1 week. This cycle and
latest results are after 3 weeks. Dr is not taking her off it this time
until her numbers improve. He insists she must come off of it (cycling) for
it to be effective.

 

Just an update. Thanks for reading. Best to all.

 

Sherri
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[Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi everyone. I took Bogey back for another blood test today even though she
wasn¹t due until next week. I wanted to make sure we were going the right
direction with the meds and to try to push again for the Doxycyline. I may
not have spelled that right. No luck on that issue but her blood test all
showed improvement except that her platelets dropped which he didn¹t seem
that concerned about. She went without the Pet-tinic for a couple of days
because they were out and had to order it and he seemed to think that might
be part of that. Here is a comparison from 2 weeks ago. It is a gradual
improvement but none the less made me happy. She really doesn¹t appear to be
feeling any better as these number rise but maybe that is a side effect of
the powerful steroids.

  
  30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 2.9 2.57 2.43 
 HCT 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 6.2 5.5 5.3  
 MCV 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.01 0  
 PLT 53 88 50 

For people not familiar with Bogey she is 13 month old FEVL positive
diagnosed on 8-1. Started on 5 mg Prednisolone and 2 mg of Stanzolol on
8-18. She eats and drinks well and is sometimes quite playful. But she does
sleep a lot and tires easily. She is on her second cycle of the Stanzolol,
the first of which was only 2 weeks and off for 1 week. This cycle and
latest results are after 3 weeks. Dr is not taking her off it this time
until her numbers improve. He insists she must come off of it (cycling) for
it to be effective.

Just an update. Thanks for reading. Best to all.

Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wrong Pill??

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thank you Robert for the Pill Identifier idea. They actually had given me
the wrong pill and were very apologetic. She was a tech that dispensed
these and just didn¹t grab the right bottle. Yikes. They did in fact give
me Prednisone instead of the Prednisolone. Just from what I had read on
the internet as well as responses here about which one is better for cats,
I called the vet first thing that next morning. All is well and I am
opening each bottle now before I leave the office. Thanks for writing.

On 9/23/16, 5:24 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org on behalf of bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:

>
>Sheri.
>
>It might help to ease your mind ( in the future as well) to familiarize
>yourself with the Pill identifier apps available on the net. there
>are quite a few of them I have used the one at Drugs.com
>successfully in the past but I have no idea if it is the best of the
>bunch or not  If you google " Pill identification" you will get at
>least 20 hits.   As prednisone and prednisolone are generic it is
>entirely possible that you got the correct drug but perhaps this batch
>came from a different manufacturer   for eg.   My generic BP meds
>look different every one or two scripts likewise for other drugs I
>have taken more than once
>
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>> Robert, May I ask what his HCT is?
>> ~ Nancy ~
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of
>>> the problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is
>>> still able to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and
>>> see if that helps. I also would again recommend Doxycycline in the
>>> hopes that it would act to keep the viral load down.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>>> Sent: September-20-16 6:53 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars
>>>
>>>
>>> Amani...
>>>
>>> I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really
>>> considered this...  As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
>>> becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen(
>>> or
>>> similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young
>>> boy Yogi ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly
>>> anemic and I was , in fact, considering starting the drug before his
>>> numbers drop too substantially..   Very aggravating that my
>>> current Vet appeared willing, initially, to write me  a script for
>>> Winstrol but took back the offer after she spoke to the clinics
>>> director...   Can't afford to keep changing Vets want someone with at
>>> least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a sense of his
>>> history...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@f

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

[Sherri Godschalk]

Elizabeth, I am so sorry you are having such trouble getting your vet to try
the meds. I can say personally that in my situation with Bogey, it DOES
work. She is feeling so much better. I cannot get my vet to prescribe
Doxycycline though and don¹t feel like I can push the issue. He has a
fragile ego I think and I do not want to jeopardize him prescribing the
Stanzolol to me. It is a dilemma for all of us I think with our vets.

I do so hope you can find someone in your area that is willing to try the
Winstrol/Stanzolol. Changing vets is a nightmare I know and have been down
that road myself. But if your current vet still resists and won¹t even try,
I would be trying to find another. Do you have a teaching hospital in your
area? Purdue University (School of Veterinary Science) here in Indiana I
know goes above and beyond when you take your pet to themŠI know this first
hand as well for another situation I was in with a dog several years ago.

I so wish you luck. Don¹t give up.

Sherri



From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Liz
McCarty 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37


I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work and
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had
already started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would prefer
instead he see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye. Since
the doxycycline his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same urgency
that I have in this vet, although she is better than the first who just said
to euthanize. Any ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've Googled for my
area but nothing comes up. I live in San Jose Ca

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438


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> I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well.
> I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken
> with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye
> is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though.
> I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure
> about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
> scheduled for 10/4.  He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
> weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the appointment
> they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another transfusion
> to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that a
> shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't want him
> to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round of this if
> it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.
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> Only you can say what is right for your little guy. However, I personally
> would try the Winstrol and see what response you get with that. You already
> had a better response with the Doxycycline, so there is still some hope.
> Absolutely steel yourself though, because 

Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Margo,
Both the viles are marked Prednisolone so I believe they mismarked this and
put the wrong pill in there(Prednisone). I didn¹t realize that I HAD been
giving her Prednisolone until right this moment. I am not sure what to do.
She is due now for the pill but I feel like I should skip this dose and get
to the vet first thing in the morning to get the other. Do you agree? Will
it hurt her to miss a dose?

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Margo
<toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
Reply-To:  Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about
Prednisone


Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE.

What you had before was likely predniSOLONE.

Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because predniSONE
must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form predniSOLONE

Sorry

> -----Original Message-
> From: Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone
> 
> Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat
> named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran
> out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a
> round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I
> fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
> Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could askŠwhat does the Pred pill look like
> that you are giving your cat? I don¹t want to miss a dose but also don¹t want
> to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Sherri and Bogey
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[Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat
named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran
out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is
a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse.
I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says
Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could askŠwhat does the Pred pill look
like that you are giving your cat? I don¹t want to miss a dose but also
don¹t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.

Sherri and Bogey



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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Amani, I did discuss my fears of stopping the Stanzolol but he told me
basically that this is how we were going to do it. I also mentioned the
doxycycline. Which I got just a shake of the head. I can¹t double up Bogeys
meds because they only give me so much of itŠuntil our next appointment
actually. I¹m not comfortable with trying to find another vet because the
likelihood of them giving out Stanzolol is a turkey shoot. I feel a little
helpless here. Hopefully she will continue to get a little better each time
on what he is prescribing for her. Thanks for writing.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:26 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol

Sorry ­ I was looking at the wrong thing when I mentioned the lymphocytes. I
was actually noticing the MCHC going up (mean cell haemoglobin
concentration) which is also a good thing.
 
They lymphocytes have gone up, not down, and emphasizes the need for the
doxycycline in my opinion.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: September-16-16 12:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol
 

Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. Bogey
was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off
(Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then went
into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat
because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on the
Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks on, 10
days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from 9/16
and the ones from 8/24.

 

   9/16
8/24

RBC2.57
2.43

HCT15.3
15.3

HGB5.5
5.3

MCV   59.1
62.6

MCH   21.4
21.8

MCHC 36.2
34.9

RDW   23.7
23.9

RETIC 78.1
61.5

WBC   14.47
13.46

NEU4.07
4.03

LYM   8.83
7.75

MONO   1.52
1.58

EOS.004
.010

BASO  .010
.000

PLT 88
50

 

She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound since
8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still is
wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug combo and
the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read about
again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and rechecking
then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am a
worrier)

 

Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were
doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage later in
life. Remember we must get them to ³later in life² first.

Thank you all and best wishes.

 

Sherri
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[Felvtalk] Bogey's First Month on Stanzolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well we got good news at the vets office today. Not great but good. Bogey
was on Pred and Stanzolol for 14 days. The vet then wanted her off
(Stanzolol) for 14 days then back on to cycle her on it. Bogey then went
into heat on the 5th off day so I called the vet 4 days into her heat
because it seemed to be very hard on her. He had me go right back on the
Stanzolol and her heat ended the next day. So what we had was 2 weeks on, 10
days off and been back on it now for 7 days. Her are her results from 9/16
and the ones from 8/24.

9/16   8/24
RBC 2.57 2.43
HCT 15.3 15.3
HGB 5.5 5.3
MCV 59.1 62.6
MCH 21.4 21.8
MCHC 36.2 34.9
RDW 23.7 23.9
RETIC 78.1 61.5
WBC 14.47 13.46
NEU 4.07 4.03
LYM 8.83 7.75
MONO 1.52 1.58
EOS .004 .010
BASO .010 .000
PLT 88 50

She did not have a fever today and had gained almost .75 of a pound since
8/1. She is still playing some, eating and drinking well. But still is
wobbly and sleeps quite a bit. She is holding her own on this drug combo and
the vet was very happy especially with the PLT, which I need to read about
again. We are keeping her on it for 30 days this next cycle and rechecking
then. (Although I will probably take her in before that because I am a
worrier)

Just thought I would post this for other FELV+ owners incase you were
doubting this drug (Stanzolol) because of the potential of damage later in
life. Remember we must get them to ³later in life² first.
Thank you all and best wishes.

Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Elizabeth,
I had commented a couple of times on your Facebook posts on the Felv+ Owners
page.
How has your cat been feeling since the transfusion? Has he been able to
sustain any energy, appetite and such after his transfusion?
I am glad you found this board. I was given very good info here after Bogey
was diagnosed. Her IFA was positive and so her bone marrow is affected. Her
RBC was 13 when I took her in. She had stopped playing, eating and was
sleeping all the time. After being on the Prednisone her appetite rebounded.
They also put her on an antibiotic that we have since stopped at the vets
urging and added Stanzolol 2mg once a day. She goes back in tomorrow to see
if her counts are better and I think they will be. Her gums are more pink,
playing some and eating good. I am certain though that she is still quite
anemic. We just need to show improvement with this treatment. I find myself
saying all day today ³Please be higher².
My point being they can rebound from the anemia.  I don¹t know for how long
but I am going to give my cat the best chance at life that I can as I am
sure you will and everyone else on this board does. Some cats can live a
long time with FELV and some just cannot. I wish us all the best of luck.
Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Liz
McCarty 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 1:39 PM
To:  
Subject:  [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV


Hi everyone, 

Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat with
FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed lethargic
and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the vet things
escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need a
transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The
vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case
we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV
positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him
which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was
going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went
forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had
him on doxycycline  in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone.
Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that and
know if it was effective? I also started him on Pet Tinic.   Any other
suggestions? Any insight into whether you think he will be able to pull
through? He doesn't have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's
in the bone marrow.  I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated,
and they are best friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be
separated. She's not FeLV positive.

Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we incurred,
and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is interested.
http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk

Mainly looking for support and advice. Thank you in advance.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good morning all.
I replied last night to this but too many characters I guess. I talk too
muchŠnot the first time I have heard that. I will ask my vet about putting
Bogey on that  antibiotic Amani. Thanks for telling me about it.
So these results are from 8/1/16
Original Test 8/1/16
WBC 9.33.5-16
RBC  2.15.92-9.93

HCT  13 29-48

HGB 4.0 9.3-15.9

MCV 6137-61

MCH 19.3 11-21

NRBC 7   0-1 /100 WBC

LYM5301  1200-8000

MONO5580-600

EOS 4650-1000

BASO  0.00   0.01-.26

PLT 41   200-600


>From 8/23/2016
WBC13.46   2.87-17.02
RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW

HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW

HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW

MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH

MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH

RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH

LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH

MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH

EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW

BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW

PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW


If I am reading these right and I am sure I am notŠher RBC is actually down
because of the scale at the different labs.
She does have good daysŠand today is one. She is currently hiding behind a
box and jumping out to scare my dogs when they walk by. I love this little
kitten so. I hope we get many more evening like tonight.
Have a great day everyone and thanks for all the well wishes for me and  for
Bogey.


Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Amani,
Thanks for all the valuable information. It actually calms me.
He has a lab in house and these were the results from this week. (I don¹t
have any from the prior visits to the other vet, but the new vet does)
RBC  2.43 M/ul   6.65-12.2LOW
HCT15.3 % 30.3-52.3  LOW
HGB 5.3 g/dL   9.8-16.2  LOW
MCV   62.6 fl35.9-53.1 HIGH
MCH  21.8 pg  11.8-17.3  HIGH
RETIC 61.5 K/ul 3.0-50.0  HIGH
LYM7.75 K/uL0.92-6.88HIGH
MONO   1.58 K/uL0.05-0.67HIGH
EOS 0.10 K/uL   0.17-1.57 LOW
BASO  0.00 K/uL   0.01-.26   LOW
PLT 50 K/uL   151-600   LOW
I haven¹t got the chance to research what all of this means. There were
several other levels on this sheet that were all within range.  Do you see
ANYTHING positive in these results? The first 6 look very bad to me.
Thanks again for writing.

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, August 26, 2016 at 3:29 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Sherri
 
Don¹t be disappointed. The key is that the haematocrit is starting to rise
and is not going down any further. Remember how few days the drug has had to
work. It is literally having to go into bone marrow and turn back on
progenitor cells in the bone marrow that have been infiltrated by the FeLV
virus, and are therefore destroyed or inactive. Also, did he do a
reticulocyte count? That should hopefully also start going up because those
are one of the immature forms of the red cells. Another is nucleated red
blood cells. At maturity, the red cells lose the nucleus (except in birds
and maybe reptiles). However, the instrument used to count the red cells
cannot differentiate a nucleated red cell from a white cell (which will have
a nucleus) so unless there is a manual count done, the automated instrument
results may count any nucleated red cells as white cells. This isn¹t too
critical, but it will not show you whether any of these immature red cell
forms are developing.
 
Also, while the haematocrit is important, you should also look at the
platelet count (which, I remember correctly, was low for Bogie) and the
white cell counts. I found that the Winstrol started improving all the
different cell lines, though admittedly, it appeared that the improvement
started with the red cells.
 
I am not sure I agree with your vet taking Bogie off the Winstrol though,
because it is an anabolic steroid and is literally rebuilding bone, muscle,
etc. With a debilitated cat, I think you¹ve got to keep them on for a long
while. However, your vet has been helpful and more progressive than most, so
. . . 
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-26-16 7:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
 

Thanks Ardy.

We had Bogeys first blood test after 7 days and her HCT was only still at
15.4. Slight increase. She is pretty functional at this level. Still
sleeping a lot. But eats, goes up and down stairs, bats at the dogs. The vet
didn¹t seem surprised that it hadn¹t gone up more. It hadn¹t gone down.
Considers her ³stable². He doesn¹t want to see her for a month to test
again. He wants her to be off of the Stanozolol for one week starting next
Wed and then put her back on it the following week for two more.

 

I was a bit disappointed that her blood results weren¹t better although I
could tell just with her energy level that she hadn¹t improved much.
Hopefully she just needs more time on it for it to take hold. I wish there
was something more that I could do. I feel so helpless.

 

Thanks for writing,

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Ardy
Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:07 AM
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

 

Best wishes to you Sherri and to Bogie!! I do believe this drug combo
(Stanozolol and Prednisone) helped my Tigger also, it¹s just that I started
him on it too late. Tigger¹s bloodwork showed amazing improvement but I
believe his diagnosis was very late since he had tested negative as a
kitten, and at age 5 years they told me he had it since kittenhood but must
have been shedding the virus when tested. I sincerely hope Bogie can benefit
from this treatment since she is younger at her diagnosis. Also very happy
that you have a cooperating vet!
 

Ardy
 
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's F

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Ardy.
We had Bogeys first blood test after 7 days and her HCT was only still at
15.4. Slight increase. She is pretty functional at this level. Still
sleeping a lot. But eats, goes up and down stairs, bats at the dogs. The vet
didn¹t seem surprised that it hadn¹t gone up more. It hadn¹t gone down.
Considers her ³stable². He doesn¹t want to see her for a month to test
again. He wants her to be off of the Stanozolol for one week starting next
Wed and then put her back on it the following week for two more.

I was a bit disappointed that her blood results weren¹t better although I
could tell just with her energy level that she hadn¹t improved much.
Hopefully she just needs more time on it for it to take hold. I wish there
was something more that I could do. I feel so helpless.

Thanks for writing,

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Ardy
Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:07 AM
To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

Best wishes to you Sherri and to Bogie!! I do believe this drug combo
(Stanozolol and Prednisone) helped my Tigger also, it¹s just that I started
him on it too late. Tigger¹s bloodwork showed amazing improvement but I
believe his diagnosis was very late since he had tested negative as a
kitten, and at age 5 years they told me he had it since kittenhood but must
have been shedding the virus when tested. I sincerely hope Bogie can benefit
from this treatment since she is younger at her diagnosis. Also very happy
that you have a cooperating vet!
 

Ardy
 
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 9:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
 
Hi Sherri
 
I am happy to hear of your experience so far, but like you, I held my breath
for a very long time with Zander.
 
Please keep us all updated.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-21-16 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol
 

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the
health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.

 

Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried
Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe
anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing
that could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies.

 

Changed vets.

 

New vetŠWas prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once
a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be
less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing
and is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly
more pink as well. There hasn¹t been any side effects that I have seen with
this combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting
used to that a little bit.

 

I don¹t want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting,
that this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in
this week for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that .
Today is the happiest day we have had in the house in over a month.

 

I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted.

 

Wish us luck!

 

Best.

Sherri
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[Felvtalk] Bogie's First 5 days on Stanozolol

[Sherri Godschalk]

I wanted to update everyone here about how this medication is affecting the
health of my FELV positive 1 year old kitten.

Bogie got her diagnosis just under 3 weeks ago. The first vet I saw tried
Prednisone and an antibiotic for 2 weeks and it did nothing for here severe
anemia. (Her only symptom) I was told at that time that there was nothing
that could help her and to just keep her comfortable as she dies.

Changed vets.

New vetŠWas prescribed 2mg of Stanozolol once a day along with the Pred once
a day. This morning, Bogie got her 5th dose of Stanozolol. She appears to be
less anemic. Has more energy, sleeping less and more interested in playing
and is eating and drinking well enough on her own. Her gums are slightly
more pink as well. There hasn¹t been any side effects that I have seen with
this combination. Except I have to pill her twice a day but she is getting
used to that a little bit.

I don¹t want to speak to soon, but I believe just from how she is acting,
that this drug is helping my kitten make some red blood cells. She goes in
this week for a blood test so I will know if it is actually doing that .
Today is the happiest day we have had in the house in over a month.

I will reply to this thread to keep the group posted.

Wish us luck!

Best.
Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cole. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 18

[Sherri Godschalk]

So sorry for the loss of your boy Karen. Hoping you can find peace in
knowing that you did everything you could and he was lucky to have you.
Best.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Friday, August 19, 2016 at 12:40 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Cole. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 18

Oh Karen. I am so, so, so sorry. I know how you are hurting tonight.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Karen Harshbarger
Sent: August-19-16 12:36 AM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cole. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 18
 
Everyone thank you so much for all your caring help, but it was just too
late. My baby Cole died in my arms tonight. Everyone love your fur babies
extra tonight in honor of all the love you and I have for these little ones
 


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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:44:44 -0400
From: Sherri Godschalk <skgodschal...@gmail.com  >
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  >
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9
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Amani, You mention that you had your cat on the Stanazolol and Prednisone
simultaneously . Below you mention you had him on just 1mg of the Pred. My
vet has Bogie at 5mg once a day. Does this seem in excess to you?

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org  >
on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com  >
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  >
Date:  Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:04 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  "
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  >
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

Karen

Don?t listen about the steroids and the liver. Stanazolol brought my cat
back from a red cell count of 10. If there is a problem with the liver, what
is the downside here? If the Stanazolol doesn?t work and the liver gets
worse, there is probably little or anything else that will work. If the
Stanazolol works, you will have another opportunity to deal with the liver
down the road and I frankly think that once your cat starts eating again,
this will be supportive for the liver as well.

Additionally, the Stanazolol should be given with 1 mg of Prednisone daily,
which is also helpful to the liver.


Amani 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 ] On Behalf Of
Karen Harshbarger
Sent: August-17-16 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk; felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

How did you know there was enlarged lymth nodes? Bloodwoork or X-ray or
exam? All I have is blood work listed here. Vet does not want to use
steroids of any kind she said cause liver is already struggling per blood
work and steroids can cause liver illness. I have tried AD and baby food--
he threw them up. So now I am using ID cause vet said easy to digest. I
blend it and strain so it probably is nit the best calories with water added
too but first two syringes today has stayed down. But night is when he
looses any daytime gains so we will see. If I can't figure out soon if not
already too late how to get more calories in him I am afraid he will pass
point of no return. We have interferon ordered but taking forever to get
here-- been a week. Thanks for all your quick kind support

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

[Sherri Godschalk]

I will check with the vet next week about the dose when I see him and they
test Bogie¹s blood. Yes and the Pred. My cat was pretty high functioning to
be so sick. Eating, although less, playing and wrestling with his big
brother (A Pomeranian pup) once in awhile. Maybe that made a difference in
his mind.

Thanks for the prayers. I think some have been answered by finding this Vet
and this forum. I do my share of hovering as well. When she is sleeping I
will sometimes tip toe over to check her breathing and she opens an eye as
if to say ³Now what?². She is sitting in a window right now, staring at the
two bunnies under the bird feeder. I am sure she is wishing she was out
there with them. She wants to play still. She will chase the dog from time
to time and I am wondering if I should be keeping her in a room by herself
so that she rests all day. Do you have an opinion about that?

I found Bogie under the deck at a golf course where I play. It took a couple
of months to get her to get close enough that I could pick her up. That
night, it got below freezing here for the first time last year. What good
fortune for her and for us.

Thanks for all the valuable information.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 8:33 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

Hi Sherri
 
I did get a good result quickly but it is situation where the drug is
required to turn back on the bone marrow to produce red cells, and the red
cell numbers will take a while to climb back up.
 
I am wondering about the dose though. I had Zander on 1 mg two times a day.
However, I boosted him up to 2 mg two times a day for a few days at the
outset to get things working faster. Also, do you also have Bogie on the
prednisone at the same time?
 
Hang on ­ it is a slow, slow process. I had to hand feed Zander and I
hovered over him for months before I felt like he was out of the woods.
There were good days and bad days. I really really pray you get some good
results.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-18-16 8:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet
 

This vet clearly has used the Stanazolol in this situation before. I feel
lucky to have found him. Especially after reading about Amani¹s cats
response.

 

After Bogie¹s first dose yesterday, I actually saw her perk up a little. She
has been a good eater through all of this anyway and that didn¹t change at
all. Dr says she must have adapted to living with a lower red count to still
be playing some and eating at this level. (15) She did a couple of things
last night that she hadn¹t done in several weeks. Ran after the dog, tried
to scare me when I walked by.  Made me feel a little relief.

 

Today after the second doseŠshe is very lackluster. Still eating well but
sleeping a lot and not wanting the attention of anybody. She had problems
getting up to the first tier of her condo which has never happened before
that I have seen. Pale gums. It is a day to day challenge for both her and
I.

 

Trying to stay positive about this drug and am embarrassed somewhat that I
was hoping for very ³fast² results. I just want so badly for her to have
more time with us. She goes in for a baseline blood test with this new vet
next week. He said not to expect dramatic effects at that time but even some
movement on the uptick is a good sign.

 

I thought I would keep you all posted about how the drug is affecting my
baby¹s anemia as we go along. Good luck and best wishes to all on this board
and their furry children.

 

Sherri

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

 

Thank goodness that the word about Stanazolol is starting to get out to
these vets. This is very heartening to me.
 
Amani
 
 
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-17-16 3:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet
 

I replied incorrectly to your question on this thread. Bit of amateur.  I am
in Fort Wayne, IN

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:01 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:
Sherrie

Where are you located??We have been back and forth SO many times here
about how to get a vet to prescribe Stanazole and here your vet prescribes
it unbidden  At least for a Felv+ cat I'd stay with this one for a
while Really hope your Kitty responds..




 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Amani. Yes he is having me give the Winstrol 2mg in the morning and
the Pred 5 mg in the evening.  Were you giving your cat 2 doses of the
Winstrol? 

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 8:37 PM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

Sorry Sherri. You are right. It was 1 tablet (1/2 twice a day) but it was
indeed 5 mg. I was thinking ONE tablet equals 1 mg in my tiny little brain.
 
That is the correct dose for Prednisone. But you mention only a single dose
of the Winstrol. Is that 2 mg once per day?
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-18-16 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9
 

Amani, You mention that you had your cat on the Stanazolol and Prednisone
simultaneously . Below you mention you had him on just 1mg of the Pred. My
vet has Bogie at 5mg once a day. Does this seem in excess to you?

 

Sherri

 

From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date: Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:04 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

 

Karen
 
Don¹t listen about the steroids and the liver. Stanazolol brought my cat
back from a red cell count of 10. If there is a problem with the liver, what
is the downside here? If the Stanazolol doesn¹t work and the liver gets
worse, there is probably little or anything else that will work. If the
Stanazolol works, you will have another opportunity to deal with the liver
down the road and I frankly think that once your cat starts eating again,
this will be supportive for the liver as well.
 
Additionally, the Stanazolol should be given with 1 mg of Prednisone daily,
which is also helpful to the liver.
 
 
Amani 
 
 
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Karen Harshbarger
Sent: August-17-16 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk; felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9
 
How did you know there was enlarged lymth nodes? Bloodwoork or X-ray or
exam? All I have is blood work listed here. Vet does not want to use
steroids of any kind she said cause liver is already struggling per blood
work and steroids can cause liver illness. I have tried AD and baby food--
he threw them up. So now I am using ID cause vet said easy to digest. I
blend it and strain so it probably is nit the best calories with water added
too but first two syringes today has stayed down. But night is when he
looses any daytime gains so we will see. If I can't figure out soon if not
already too late how to get more calories in him I am afraid he will pass
point of no return. We have interferon ordered but taking forever to get
here-- been a week. Thanks for all your quick kind support
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

[Sherri Godschalk]

Amani, You mention that you had your cat on the Stanazolol and Prednisone
simultaneously . Below you mention you had him on just 1mg of the Pred. My
vet has Bogie at 5mg once a day. Does this seem in excess to you?

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:04 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9

Karen
 
Don¹t listen about the steroids and the liver. Stanazolol brought my cat
back from a red cell count of 10. If there is a problem with the liver, what
is the downside here? If the Stanazolol doesn¹t work and the liver gets
worse, there is probably little or anything else that will work. If the
Stanazolol works, you will have another opportunity to deal with the liver
down the road and I frankly think that once your cat starts eating again,
this will be supportive for the liver as well.
 
Additionally, the Stanazolol should be given with 1 mg of Prednisone daily,
which is also helpful to the liver.
 
 
Amani 
 
 
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Karen Harshbarger
Sent: August-17-16 3:07 PM
To: felvtalk; felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 9
 
How did you know there was enlarged lymth nodes? Bloodwoork or X-ray or
exam? All I have is blood work listed here. Vet does not want to use
steroids of any kind she said cause liver is already struggling per blood
work and steroids can cause liver illness. I have tried AD and baby food--
he threw them up. So now I am using ID cause vet said easy to digest. I
blend it and strain so it probably is nit the best calories with water added
too but first two syringes today has stayed down. But night is when he
looses any daytime gains so we will see. If I can't figure out soon if not
already too late how to get more calories in him I am afraid he will pass
point of no return. We have interferon ordered but taking forever to get
here-- been a week. Thanks for all your quick kind support
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

[Sherri Godschalk]

This vet clearly has used the Stanazolol in this situation before. I feel
lucky to have found him. Especially after reading about Amani¹s cats
response.

After Bogie¹s first dose yesterday, I actually saw her perk up a little. She
has been a good eater through all of this anyway and that didn¹t change at
all. Dr says she must have adapted to living with a lower red count to still
be playing some and eating at this level. (15) She did a couple of things
last night that she hadn¹t done in several weeks. Ran after the dog, tried
to scare me when I walked by.  Made me feel a little relief.

Today after the second doseŠshe is very lackluster. Still eating well but
sleeping a lot and not wanting the attention of anybody. She had problems
getting up to the first tier of her condo which has never happened before
that I have seen. Pale gums. It is a day to day challenge for both her and
I.

Trying to stay positive about this drug and am embarrassed somewhat that I
was hoping for very ³fast² results. I just want so badly for her to have
more time with us. She goes in for a baseline blood test with this new vet
next week. He said not to expect dramatic effects at that time but even some
movement on the uptick is a good sign.

I thought I would keep you all posted about how the drug is affecting my
baby¹s anemia as we go along. Good luck and best wishes to all on this board
and their furry children.

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani
Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
Reply-To:  <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Date:  Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

Thank goodness that the word about Stanazolol is starting to get out to
these vets. This is very heartening to me.
 
Amani
 
 
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: August-17-16 3:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet
 

I replied incorrectly to your question on this thread. Bit of amateur.  I am
in Fort Wayne, IN

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:01 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:
Sherrie

Where are you located??We have been back and forth SO many times here
about how to get a vet to prescribe Stanazole and here your vet prescribes
it unbidden  At least for a Felv+ cat I'd stay with this one for a
while Really hope your Kitty responds..



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sherries Vet

[Sherri Godschalk]

I replied incorrectly to your question on this thread. Bit of amateur.  I
am in Fort Wayne, IN

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:01 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
wrote:

> Sherrie
>
> Where are you located??We have been back and forth SO many times here
> about how to get a vet to prescribe Stanazole and here your vet prescribes
> it unbidden  At least for a Felv+ cat I'd stay with this one for a
> while Really hope your Kitty responds..
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:38 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> wrote:
>
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>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 02:30:09 -0700
>> From: Karen Harshbarger To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Can't eat
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>> I come to you for suggestions for our Cole. We got Cole as a litter
>> rescue from our yard
>> We feed the strays and a little very young mother left them at our door
>>  We already had some house cats so built a kennel to shelter them Outside
>> and began To look for homes for them. Then two litter kittens showed up and
>> old tom. A no kill shelter took the littler kittens. They found out one if
>> them tested positive for feline leukemia. We tested rest of ours and all
>> but the one female tested positive. So we cleaned out our garage,
>> insulated, heated, air conditioned and sheltered them there. No matter what
>> we did little Tig was so sick That he died before he was a yr old. He was
>> such a sweet little cat that considered everything and anyone a toy--so
>> sad. The rest tested negative the next two test. We all lived happily for
>> next 3 1/2 years. Until this week Cole stopped eating.
>>
>>  Took him to vet and here is bad part.
>> Tested positive for feline leukemia again
>> Bun10 (16-3(
>> Alt 294(12-130)
>> Alkp 144(14-111)
>> Tbil 4.2(0.0-0.9)
>> Rbc 4.02 (8.54-12.20)
>> Hct 21.1(30.3-52.3)
>> Hgb 6.8(9.8-16.2)
>> Wbc 2.06(2.87-17.02
>> Neu 0.50(1.48-10.29)
>> Lym 0.74(0.92-6.88)
>> Plt 39(151-600)
>> Rest was in normal range
>> The vet gave Cole subcutaneous fluids, polyflex/dexasone injection, b
>> complex injection, and clavamox drops on last wednesday.
>>
>> But he cant eat and i am syringe feeding AD prscription Food. First few
>> days was able to get him to take 2 syringes but then threw up and have not
>> been able to get him past One syringe since then without him throwing up.
>> He threw up food three times and phlem or hair.  He is very alert,
>> drinking, urinating 2-4 times a day, no BM until one little turd today
>> He bathes Self after he eats, shinny healthy looking hair. Took Cole back
>> today and vet did same as before but We changed to Orbax instead of
>> clavamox.  I was very excited tonight cause he attempted to eat But only
>> licked gravy of purina Fancy feast., but was start.  Later this evening
>> after syringe feed only 3 ml he threw up what looked like two meals!!  He
>> seems to have a good day, but then has setback with throwup--- three times
>> he has done that .  He has lost a pound in 6 days!!.  So worried cause he
>> cant eat on own and keeps throwing up.
>> His brother Ash tested positive again too but his bloodwork is all in
>> normal range and seems ti be doing fine.  His other brother BJ tested
>> negative and bloodwork all normal range.  Vet suggested no treatment for
>> them.  I housed them together and seperated Cole.
>>
>> I am so worried that we are going to loose Cole because he cant eat and
>> keeps throwing up syringed food.  Also

[Felvtalk] My Leuk + kitten and disgraceful vet

[Sherri Godschalk]

Robert, I am in Fort Wayne, Indiana. This was a no brainer for this vet. I
didn't request it, hadn't read anything about it, I was just looking for
guidance and to find a doctor who would fight this fight with me. He said
"The way we like to treat it is with a different steriod in addition to the
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[Felvtalk] My Leuk + kitten and disgraceful vet

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks for accepting me into the group.

The stray kitten that I adopted tested positive for Leukemia two weeks ago.
I was so heartbroken to hear this news. And just as heartbroken to get the
response I did from my vet.

My Bogie, she was always small, playful and a terror, which I loved. She
also was going in and out of heat quite often and was waiting for a break in
the action so I could get her spayed. Before I could I noticed she had
slowed down someŠstopped knocking things off all of the tables and shelves
and started sleeping more. I took her to my vet right away. I asked them
right away to do a FELV test as well as the exam. Before they would even
look at her really, they gave her rabies and distemper vaccines. Vet said
she was healthy and just small and that I should spay her soon. I was making
the appointment at the front desk when Dr told me to come back into the
room. She said Bogie scored a faint positive for Leukemia and we should do a
total blood evaluation and send out some blood to a lab in Indianapolis to
verify. In the same breath she told me to consider putting my girl to
sleepŠeven without knowing for certain. Shocked me a little about her. I
said no. The diagnosis was confirmedŠpositive. And that she was severely
anemic. RBC 13. They put her on Prednisone and an antibiotic and had me come
back next week for another blood test. I had them also run the FEVL again,
just to make sure. Still positive. Her count went up to 17. So not much
improvement. We set up another appointment for the next week for a recheck.
The vet called me later the same day and said that the count had dropped to
15 so it this wasn¹t working. So I asked her what the plan was and what do
we try next. She said there was no next. She would give me pills to keep
Bogie comfortable but there was nothing else she was WILLING to do. ³There
are plenty of healthy cats out there that need homes² was her advice to me.
I said ³This is my cat and she deserves a chance² and hung up. I was
furious. 

I was able to get into see a vet that I used to take my pets to. I asked the
woman making the appointment if I could leave the kitten at home for this
appointment as she was just getting over the prior visit just 2 days before
and they agreed. I thought that was nice of them. He explained so thoroughly
what was going on with Bogey. Why things were not working. He prescribed
Stanzolol 2mg once a day along with the Prednisone once a day. He said if my
baby doesn¹t respond to this in a couple of weeks then we will know that she
will probably not be able to make red blood cells anymore and the only thing
left would be transfusions. That he would be willing to try with her. She
was infected at birth and has lived a year with it, she is one strong kitty.

I ran home and gave Bogie her first dose.

Hoping and praying that this will help jump start her immune system.

I was led to this site when I Googled the name of the drug and FELV. I
haven¹t been able to stop reading these posts and all the information here.
I was curious, what food you all feed your cats? The vet told me to keep her
on kitten food but make sure it is high quality. I told the dr that Bogie
like boiled beef liver and he told me to give her as much as she wants.

Is there anything else I can do to help Bogie¹s immune system become
stronger?


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