Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
i am so sorry. I know how devastating this is.I did have a young Persian (not FIV or FELV) die after a spay. She was very sweet, healthy, less than a year old. I talked with another vet about it, and check with the Persian list for their opinion. I think the vet office did not pay proper attention to the problem of the airway in the flat-faced varieties, and put her in a cage to recover, without more constant monitoring. Some vets insist on intubating Persians, but that wasn't done in this case. She died in the cage, after the surgery. But she wasn't to the point of drinking yet, like yours.GloriaOn Jul 8, 2006, at 5:27 PM, catatonya wrote:My condolences as well. I'm so sorry. tonya"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sorry about Mr.. Dobbs. I had a cat die once in a trap on the way to the vet. I still trap, but will never get over it. Joan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of RachelSent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:11 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery There are days like this when I don't know why I continue to take in new FIV and FeLV cases. Mr. Dobbs was a gorgeous pure white, long-haired previous stray that tested FIV positive and was being boarded by a local vet until they could find a rescue to take him. We had offered to take him in, he was healthy and the vet neutered him, vaccinated him, including Rabies yesterday morning as a courtesy for us. I picked him up yesterday afternoon and fell instantly in love with him. He was so affectionate. He would give me hugs and he seemed alert and fine after the surgery. I gave him water and checked on him every hour and finally around 11pm last night before I went to bed. This morning I went to feed him and he was laying by the door, already passed on. There was a small amount of blood where his mouth had layed. I feel just terrible that this sweet loving guy spent his last hours alone and I didn't realize that anything was wrong. He seemed fine, no trouble breathing, his feces looked good, he was drinking, he was happy. What went wrong? A blood clot? I called the vet and they are shocked. In all my years of doing rescue I've never had a cat died after a spay/neuter surgery, even the FeLV or FIV positive ones. Has anyone had this happen? Is there something I could have done to prevent it? Rachel Operation Foster Felix www.operationfosterfelix.org "Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes"
RE: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
My condolences as well. I'm so sorry.tonya"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sorry about Mr.. Dobbs. I had a cat die once in a trap on the way to the vet. I still trap, but will never get over it.Joan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RachelSent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:11 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery There are days like this when I don't know why I continue to take in new FIV and FeLV cases. Mr. Dobbs was a gorgeous pure white, long-haired previous stray that tested FIV positive and was being boarded by a local vet until they could find a rescue to take him. We had offered to take him in, he was healthy and the vet neutered him, vaccinated him, including Rabies yesterday morning as a courtesy for us. I picked him up yesterday afternoon and fell instantly in love with him. He was so affectionate. He would give me hugs and he seemed alert and fine after the surgery. I gave him water and checked on him every hour and finally around 11pm last night before I went to bed. This morning I went to feed him and he was laying by the door, already passed on. There was a small amount of blood where his mouth had layed. I feel just terrible that this sweet loving guy spent his last hours alone and I didn't realize that anything was wrong. He seemed fine, no trouble breathing, his feces looked good, he was drinking, he was happy. What went wrong? A blood clot? I called the vet and they are shocked. In all my years of doing rescue I've never had a cat died after a spay/neuter surgery, even the FeLV or FIV positive ones. Has anyone had this happen? Is there something I could have done to prevent it? RachelOperation Foster Felix www.operationfosterfelix.org "Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes"
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
Dear Rachel, I am so, so sorry about your loss of Mr. Dobbs. I can't imagine the shock you must be feeling. I do know,however, that he knows how much you love him that he is grateful that he got to leave this world from a home where he was loved, even if it was only for a short time. Take care. Yvonne
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
How tragic - I'd be devastated too. The only sudden death I've had, I attributed to heart worms, and it wasn't after surgery. Never heard of this situation, but wanted you to know that I'm so sorry for your loss. gloria On Jun 29, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Rachel wrote: There are days like this when I don't know why I continue to take in new FIV and FeLV cases. Mr. Dobbs was a gorgeous pure white, long-haired previous stray that tested FIV positive and was being boarded by a local vet until they could find a rescue to take him. We had offered to take him in, he was healthy and the vet neutered him, vaccinated him, including Rabies yesterday morning as a courtesy for us. I picked him up yesterday afternoon and fell instantly in love with him. He was so affectionate. He would give me hugs and he seemed alert and fine after the surgery. I gave him water and checked on him every hour and finally around 11pm last night before I went to bed. This morning I went to feed him and he was laying by the door, already passed on. There was a small amount of blood where his mouth had layed. I feel just terrible that this sweet loving guy spent his last hours alone and I didn't realize that anything was wrong. He seemed fine, no trouble breathing, his feces looked good, he was drinking, he was happy. What went wrong? A blood clot? I called the vet and they are shocked. In all my years of doing rescue I've never had a cat died after a spay/neuter surgery, even the FeLV or FIV positive ones. Has anyone had this happen? Is there something I could have done to prevent it? Rachel Operation Foster Felix www.operationfosterfelix.org Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
Rachel, I'm so sorry to hear about beautiful Mr. Dobbs. What a horrible shock it must have been when you woke up this morning. I don't know what could have happened. I know a lot of times that people talk about using ISO gas here instead of regular anesthesia during surgery and to give fluids before, during, and after surgery, but it doesn't sound like that was the issue because of the blood. Did the vet speculate what could have happened? Did he say where the blood might have come from? I am so sorry about this. At least he found someone to love him even if for a short, short time. You're in my prayers. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
Oh Rachel, I'm so sorry this happened to you your sweet Mr.Dobbs. I believe another list member, Hideyo, had a female kitty that died after a spay. She was in her carrier just waiting to be picked up, and when Hideyo got there she had already passed on. He didn't die alone, he knew you were there and that you loved him - even if it was such a short time. There are no words to comfort you right now, but please know that you are in my thoughts prayers. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Rachel wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:11:02 -0400 From: Rachel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery There are days like this when I don't know why I continue to take in new FIV and FeLV cases. Mr. Dobbs was a gorgeous pure white, long-haired previous stray that tested FIV positive and was being boarded by a local vet until they could find a rescue to take him. We had offered to take him in, he was healthy and the vet neutered him, vaccinated him, including Rabies yesterday morning as a courtesy for us. I picked him up yesterday afternoon and fell instantly in love with him. He was so affectionate. He would give me hugs and he seemed alert and fine after the surgery. I gave him water and checked on him every hour and finally around 11pm last night before I went to bed. This morning I went to feed him and he was laying by the door, already passed on. There was a small amount of blood where his mouth had layed. I feel just terrible that this sweet loving guy spent his last hours alone and I didn't realize that anything was wrong. He seemed fine, no trouble breathing, his feces looked good, he was drinking, he was happy. What went wrong? A blood clot? I called the vet and they are shocked. In all my years of doing rescue I've never had a cat died after a spay/neuter surgery, even the FeLV or FIV positive ones. Has anyone had this happen? Is there something I could have done to prevent it? Rachel *Operation Foster Felix* *www.operationfosterfelix.org* http://www.operationfosterfelix.org *Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes*
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
I've had it happen twice, three days after a spay---both cats. Different vets, unrelated cats. It sounds like the same type situation. Both cats were throw aways. Both cats were fine when I checked on them late in the 2ndnight. Both were in the process of leaving on the 3rd morning when I checked on them again. My personal vet (not involved in the spays) speculated that there may be a congenital heart problem involved. Another vet speculated that vaccinations at the time of the spay might have stressed the cats out too much. Mr. Dobbs died in a lovinghome -- not on the streets and not in a cage. You gave him that, even for a short time. He sends you lots of love for that and hopes you will be comforted. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Rachel To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery There are days like this when I don't know why I continue to take in new FIV and FeLV cases. Mr. Dobbs was a gorgeous pure white, long-haired previous stray that tested FIV positive and was being boarded by a local vet until they could find a rescue to take him. We had offered to take him in, he was healthy and the vet neutered him, vaccinated him, including Rabies yesterday morning as a courtesy for us. I picked him up yesterday afternoon and fell instantly in love with him. He was so affectionate. He would give me hugs and he seemed alert and fine after the surgery. I gave him water and checked on him every hour and finally around 11pm last night before I went to bed. This morning I went to feed him and he was laying by the door, already passed on. There was a small amount of blood where his mouth had layed. I feel just terrible that this sweet loving guy spent his last hours alone and I didn't realize that anything was wrong. He seemed fine, no trouble breathing, his feces looked good, he was drinking, he was happy. What went wrong? A blood clot? I called the vet and they are shocked. In all my years of doing rescue I've never had a cat died after a spay/neuter surgery, even the FeLV or FIV positive ones. Has anyone had this happen? Is there something I could have done to prevent it? Rachel Operation Foster Felix www.operationfosterfelix.org "Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes" No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
Thank you all for the kind words. It is still such a shock for me and I'm sick that he died alone.I just hate that. I wish I had slept in that room with him, there is a daybed in there, perhaps he would have woken me up and let me know something was wrong. I questioned the vaccinations also, wondering if that could have been a possibility. Normally, in rescue, we don't vaccinate the same day we do surgery and I'm not a fan of combo vaccinations or vaccinating for Rabies at the same time of other vaccines. The vet comped the surgery and all vaccinations, so I wasn't going to turn her down. Though he had FIV, he clearly seemed healthy and asymptomatic. I just pray it was fast and painless for him.I doubt I'll ever get over that he passed lying at the door waiting for me to come back in and give him some more love. Thank you again for being so supportive. On a positive note, I just read the message regarding the person looking for a FIV+ cat and that someone adopted one out to them, so that is very positive to read. And I heard from a recent adopter of 3 of our FeLV+ 12 week old kittens that they are thriving and gaining weight and adjusting very well in their new home. Rachel Operation Foster Felix www.operationfosterfelix.org Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
oh my god, I am so sorry. Yes, I have heard of it. Hideyo had it happen to her. I think it happens in a small number of cases, like with human surgeries. It could mean there was an underlying health issue that was undetectable. Michelle
Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After Neuter Surgery
I chose tonot spay my Moogie (FELV+). I think many of us choose to not put these guys under unnecessary surgeries (though sometimes it is something you just can't live with for male cats, they do tend to reek). BUT, my girl was an indoors ONLY cat, with no intact males in the house, so there was NO chance of her getting pregnant. That being said, I have at least3 FIV+ male cats that were all neutered and are fine today (I say at least, because I'm not sure at this point who's FIV+ and who's FIV-). I did have one female feral die after her spay (2 weeks after surgery), but she was FIV/FELV negative. She had a nasty infection of her incision, and I didn't know until she lay dead in the storage room. She always hid when I was near, so I had no way to know. Poor girl. I'm so sorry you lost your boy, some things just can't be helped though, and blaming yourself wont change anything, it will only bring you down. Try to keep a positive perspective. You tried to help this cat, you did everything you could to rescue him, and make his life better. He died, but that doesn't change the fact that YOU did all the great things you did for him. How many others in the past have you had spayed/neutered and that have gone on to live wonderful lives because of your efforts? I bet if you do the math, you have a WONDERFUL success rate! We absolutely must prevent new litters from being born, spay/neuter is something we HAVE to do, and it saves MILLIONS of lives! Occasionally, we may lose one or two to the surgery, but there are oh so many we saved from fates much worse than death. So many animals suffer every day, starving, neglected, abused, scared, lost. We can't save them all, but we can prevent it from happening to a new generation of cats, by preventing new litters! ALL of my current cats are spayed/neutered, even Bones, my broken back girl (you may recall my worries about her spay surgery, but she did fine). Would I do it again? You bet I would! And do I put my money where my mouth is? YEP! I do! I had MYSELF spayed over5 years ago! ;-) Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006
