Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
There is really no definitive lab test for FIP and most cats can come up with a high titer for the corona virus without showing any symptoms while others have a lot titer and may actually have the mutated form of the virus. It's a very aggravating disease because it keeps playing hide and seek. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: Shelley Theye >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:03 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 > > >Hi Marcy, > >I didn't get your original email, but did see Margo's response. >I seem to be having problems with only receiving some emails since recently >joining this list. > >I don't have much experience with FeLV related illnesses yet, but I just >wanted to ask if they ruled out something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy? >Heart failure could cause fluid, and in that case, steroids should NOT be >given. But lasix can be given. >Since they already gave him a steroid shot, just keep a good eye on him. > >My cat, years ago, was fine one day and then his chest became full of fluid. >His only symptom was that he coughed a tiny bit >as though he had a hairball, and he didn't want to eat his breakfast which was >very out of character for him. Lasix helped him. >That was his only treatment. They checked his heart at a later appt. and it >was fine. Initially they thought FIP, but it wasn't (we did a titer and it >was neg.), and after that incident he was fine and lived many more years! The >vet didn't want to check the chest fluid at the time because >she had lost a cat doing that once, so she just used lasix. > >My theory was that he had a heartworm, and the ivermectin that they gave him >for ear mites a week prior might have killed the >heartworm, and it broke up and caused the fluid...but will never know for >sure. This all happened shortly after I adopted him >as an adult cat. > >Hope Charles begins to feel better. > >Shelley > >On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Margo wrote: > >> >> Hi Marcy, >> >> Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive >>boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the >>possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list >> >> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/ >> >> and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since >>Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would >>just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain >>tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma >>can manifest; >> >> http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html >> >> I will hope that it turns out to be something simply remedied, >>and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you >>are interested in, if any. >> >> All the best >> >> Margo >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Marci Greer >> Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM >> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his >> chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it >> could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of >> Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that >> the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if >> it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want >> to loose one of our babies. >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
Is Charles eating normally? If he is then it may not be FIP. Did she check his heart? Lasix can't hurt anyway. If it's not FIP it will take the pressure off. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! > > From: Marci Greer >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:40 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 > > > > > > > >Hi everyone, >We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his >chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it >could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of >Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that >the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it >is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want >to loose one of our babies. >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
Hi Marcy, I didn't get your original email, but did see Margo's response. I seem to be having problems with only receiving some emails since recently joining this list. I don't have much experience with FeLV related illnesses yet, but I just wanted to ask if they ruled out something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy? Heart failure could cause fluid, and in that case, steroids should NOT be given. But lasix can be given. Since they already gave him a steroid shot, just keep a good eye on him. My cat, years ago, was fine one day and then his chest became full of fluid. His only symptom was that he coughed a tiny bit as though he had a hairball, and he didn't want to eat his breakfast which was very out of character for him. Lasix helped him. That was his only treatment. They checked his heart at a later appt. and it was fine. Initially they thought FIP, but it wasn't (we did a titer and it was neg.), and after that incident he was fine and lived many more years! The vet didn't want to check the chest fluid at the time because she had lost a cat doing that once, so she just used lasix. My theory was that he had a heartworm, and the ivermectin that they gave him for ear mites a week prior might have killed the heartworm, and it broke up and caused the fluid...but will never know for sure. This all happened shortly after I adopted him as an adult cat. Hope Charles begins to feel better. Shelley On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Margo wrote: > > Hi Marcy, > > Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive > boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the > possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list > > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/ > > and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since > Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would > just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain > tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma > can manifest; > > http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html > > I will hope that it turns out to be something simply remedied, > and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you > are interested in, if any. > > All the best > > Margo > > > > -Original Message- > From: Marci Greer > Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 > > > > Hi everyone, > We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his > chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it > could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of > Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that > the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if > it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want > to loose one of our babies. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
With fluid only in Charles' chest I'd think FIP less likely, but this should help with evaluating what kind of testing might be in order. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=681Imagine I have been given an "FIP diagnosis" more times than I care to remember, and it was never found to be accurate on necropsy. It is out there, but diagnosing it is very tough, and the symptoms are so nebulous and easily attributable to other things, that I now focus on what _else_ I may be dealing with, that may respond to treatment. In addition to lymphoma, chylothorax is another condition which results in the accumulation of thoracic fluid, and can be treated, and even resolved. There was a recent thread about that, I'll see if I can find out which list had it, and link. HTH Margo -Original Message- From: KG BarnCats Sent: Aug 10, 2013 3:08 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 I am sorry to say wet FIP is another possible cause of fluid in the chest. There is no definitive test but there are suggestive bloodwork results, also if fluid can be tapped off, it can be examined. FIP fluid is typically yellowish and sticky. A Rivalta test can also be done on the fluid. there is no cure or effective treatment for wet FIP, although the slower moving dry FIP form has been successfully treated with polyprenyl immunostimulant (PI). Neither form is contagious, as FIP is believed to arise independently when a cat infected with the common and otherwise mild coronavirus has the virus mutate for unknown reasons. FELV+ cats are apparently more susceptible to the mutations and thus FIP. I lost my 7 month old FELV+ Smokey to abdominal wet FIP in a matter of days, just as he was beating a bad URI with help of interferon omega and PI. The swelling made him very uncomfortable so we let him go.LaurieOn Saturday, August 10, 2013, Marci Greer <frecklescras...@hotmail.com> wrote:>> >> Hi everyone,>> We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it >> could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that >> the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want>> to loose one of our babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
Hi Marcy, Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/ and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma can manifest; http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html I will hope that it turns out to be something simply remedied, and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you are interested in, if any. All the best Margo -Original Message- From: Marci Greer Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of our babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
I am sorry to say wet FIP is another possible cause of fluid in the chest. There is no definitive test but there are suggestive bloodwork results, also if fluid can be tapped off, it can be examined. FIP fluid is typically yellowish and sticky. A Rivalta test can also be done on the fluid. there is no cure or effective treatment for wet FIP, although the slower moving dry FIP form has been successfully treated with polyprenyl immunostimulant (PI). Neither form is contagious, as FIP is believed to arise independently when a cat infected with the common and otherwise mild coronavirus has the virus mutate for unknown reasons. FELV+ cats are apparently more susceptible to the mutations and thus FIP. I lost my 7 month old FELV+ Smokey to abdominal wet FIP in a matter of days, just as he was beating a bad URI with help of interferon omega and PI. The swelling made him very uncomfortable so we let him go. Laurie On Saturday, August 10, 2013, Marci Greer wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it > > could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that > > the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want > > to loose one of our babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
I'll be praying for Charles! Lets hope he is back healthy very soon! Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 10, 2013, at 14:40, Marci Greer wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his > chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it > could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of > Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that > the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if > it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want > to loose one of our babies. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of our babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
