Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Pam Doore]

Ardy, I had similar thing with Sweetie Peetie having mammary cancer.
Looking back I would never put her though that surgery again. I got a few
hours with her at clinic after her surgery and she died in her sleep.  Does
that had called to tell me she had  stopped breathing on the operating
table  and was "shockey". I have struggled with that but your post about
them knowing we were doing it out of love for them is very helpful and
true! Thank you Ardy!

On Feb 26, 2018 11:26 PM, "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> Hi Pam – actually I agree that sometimes too much care is hard on our
> fur-babes. Sometimes when I look back at old pictures of Tigger, I see a
> “look” he had that I now realize might have been that he was sicker than I
> thought and maybe I should have given up sooner. I syringe fed him during
> his last 6 months when he would not eat on his own. Sometimes I think I
> tried too hard, but what I did was out of love for him, always believing we
> could beat his FeLV. And I know he loved us back, so if I overdid, I was
> forgiven I’m sure….Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 4:21 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
>
>
>
> Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
> nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Pam – actually I agree that sometimes too much care is hard on our 
fur-babes. Sometimes when I look back at old pictures of Tigger, I see a “look” 
he had that I now realize might have been that he was sicker than I thought and 
maybe I should have given up sooner. I syringe fed him during his last 6 months 
when he would not eat on his own. Sometimes I think I tried too hard, but what 
I did was out of love for him, always believing we could beat his FeLV. And I 
know he loved us back, so if I overdid, I was forgiven I’m sure….Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

 

Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet sit 
and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide, cringe when 
you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies nor would I 
expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D. 




 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Pam Doore]

I have observed the same thing.  I appreciate all support to give quality
over quantity.  I did not know that my cat Trixie had lung cancer I thought
she had developed a allergy to the Christmas tree. She crossed the bridge
before majority of med was in her system. They did give her all of it.. I
ended up having her put to sleep three weeks later and the vet told me at
that point that a cat will hold on as long as possible just for the sake of
their owner.

On Feb 26, 2018 5:51 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:

> I agree, I will NOT put my cats through painful invasive proceedures,
> but I see so many people in my cat groups who will do ANYTHING to
> keep a cat alive, even a very old cat whose time is up.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> On 02-23, Pam Doore wrote:
> > Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> > sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> > cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my
> babies
> > nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
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[Lorrie]

I agree, I will NOT put my cats through painful invasive proceedures,
but I see so many people in my cat groups who will do ANYTHING to
keep a cat alive, even a very old cat whose time is up.

Lorrie


On 02-23, Pam Doore wrote:
> Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
> sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
> cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
> nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Pam Doore]

Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Sandy]

Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - 
inexpensive - and good to have on hand anyway.  Tested for coccidia I'm 
guessing.  try the BENE-BAC

> On February 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM Ardy Robertson <ardyr@centurytel.n
> 

Sandy W

> et> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a 
> cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil 
> of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just 
> stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small 
> amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea 
> when nothing else worked.
> 
>  
> 
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like 
> a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help 
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> 
>  
> 
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
> unsubscribe
> 
>  
> 
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months 
> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a 
> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far 
> only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) 
> quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure  Think we 
> might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie 
> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in 
> isolation here at our shelter. He needs company
> 
>  
> 
> Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty 
> well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on 
> life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still 
> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control 
> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob in Warwick NY
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi all – Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in April, 
and I’m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints seem to be 
giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a lot of water 
(diabetic?). Who knows……. At this point we are just keeping her as comfy as 
possible and putting up with her very loud talking (she must be a bit deaf). I 
don’t even know what 20 would be in cat years.

 

And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger used to 
do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their family treats 
them.

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

 

Hi Bob and all,  

I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions about not 
seeing posts.

I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month later I 
was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 6+-year-old boy who was 
Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the southern tier of NY.   
He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet 
through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for 
whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and 
demanding lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are super 
eager to meet him :).   

 

 

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net 
<mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > wrote:

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
unsubscribe

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months ???   I 
am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a few months 
and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far only one has 
come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) quessing the 
others had been older when they had their exposure  Think we might already 
have a place that will give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a 
family... but better than having the little guy in isolation here at our 
shelter. He needs company

Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty 
well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on life. 
He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still suffering his 
chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control it ( all the 
usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.

Bob in Warwick NY



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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Bob,

If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an extremely old 
remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a cast iron frying 
pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil of any kind - just 
the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just stir it until it 
browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this 
was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked. 

 

I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like a 
parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help 

 

Ardy

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

 

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
unsubscribe

 

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months ???   I 
am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a few months 
and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far only one has 
come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) quessing the 
others had been older when they had their exposure  Think we might already 
have a place that will give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a 
family... but better than having the little guy in isolation here at our 
shelter. He needs company

 

Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty 
well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on life. 
He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still suffering his 
chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control it ( all the 
usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.

 

Bob in Warwick NY

 

 

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>1. Re: FIV (ROBERT CHAPEL)

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>3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)

>4. Re: FIV ( <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> dlg...@windstream.net)

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> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)

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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

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> I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group? I've 

> gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 

> messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.

> Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 

> couple of weeks??

> 

> 

> HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 

> experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 

> as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 

> adopters...

> Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 

> even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the 

> beginning of Winter I've been volunteering there for 4 years and 

> have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's 

> ( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not cl

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Pam Doore]

*Hi Bob and all,  *


*I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions about
not seeing posts.*


*I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month
later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 6+-year-old
boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the southern
tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took home a
FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a home
and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my Master
suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny
and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL 
wrote:

> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to
> unsubscribe
>
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months
> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a
> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so
> far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the
> bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure
> Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie
> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in
> isolation here at our shelter. He needs company
>
> Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty
> well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
> life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still
> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control
> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.
>
> Bob in Warwick NY
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
unsubscribe


Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months 
???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
had their exposure  Think we might already have a place that will 
give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better 
than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He 
needs company


Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty 
well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on 
life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still 
suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so 
far.


Bob in Warwick NY


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   2. Re: FIV (Amani Oakley)
   3. Re: FIV (Lorrie)
   4. Re: FIV (dlg...@windstream.net)
   5. Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes (Jennifer Olson)
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   7. not receiving e-mails (Sandy)
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:48:56 -0500 (EST)
From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV
Message-ID: <153d54b2.3346.16095df6e39.webtop...@optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no

I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group? I've 
gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 
messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
couple of weeks??



HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 
experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 
as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 
adopters...
Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 
even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the 
beginning of Winter I've been volunteering there for 4 years and 
have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's 
( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any 
others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)... 
but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy? 
Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an 
FIV over an FeLV Kitty

QUESTION:


?--


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 18:25:58 +
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Question

Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
arsenal to combat it.


Amani





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 04:07:39 +
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] FIV

Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Bob

I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I 
posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't 
received any emails in weeks.


Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group? I've 
gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 
messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
couple of weeks??



HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 
experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 
as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 
adopters...
Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year