RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Thanks Marylyn! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Use the spray where he is peeing. I haven't used Feliway for that purpose (only for reducing fear) but it is supposed to work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat Re Feliway, agree, I don't know if mine are doing any good or not--Mickey is still prone to peeing on sofa when he mixes with my tame cats--but I'm continuing to use as manufacturer recommends 90 days to see change of behavior. FYI, however, for those who do use Feliway--my local Petsmart matches the price of any internet price. The internet price was $28 for plug-in (bad enough I know); Petsmart store price $43!!. So I guess I did feel good about saving $15 per plug in. Maybe I'll start using the spray more--I have At-Ease, which is cheaper (thanks for the tip Nina!). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing. Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on her. I don't care for the plugins at all. Others like them. I can control what the spray is on and not on. And it has just worked better for me. Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway. Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than vets etc). I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle. Don't even ask what the first bottle cost. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Re Feliway, agree, I don't know if mine are doing any good or not--Mickey is still prone to peeing on sofa when he mixes with my tame cats--but I'm continuing to use as manufacturer recommends 90 days to see change of behavior. FYI, however, for those who do use Feliway--my local Petsmart matches the price of any internet price. The internet price was $28 for plug-in (bad enough I know); Petsmart store price $43!!. So I guess I did feel good about saving $15 per plug in. Maybe I'll start using the spray more--I have At-Ease, which is cheaper (thanks for the tip Nina!). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing. Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on her. I don't care for the plugins at all. Others like them. I can control what the spray is on and not on. And it has just worked better for me. Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway. Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than vets etc). I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle. Don't even ask what the first bottle cost. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present. I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan. The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously, but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in the living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which is the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway or bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or hallway? (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor and sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.) My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in same house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame cats growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they don't stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his own room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.) I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe I need to do more swopping. All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome! Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing. Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on her. I don't care for the plugins at all. Others like them. I can control what the spray is on and not on. And it has just worked better for me. Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway. Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than vets etc). I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle. Don't even ask what the first bottle cost. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting
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*I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the answer. We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot house. So I would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too little defeats the purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light). We noticed a HUGE difference in aggression with Feli-way... but had never used it to stop or curb improper elimination problems... I'd be interested to hear if it helps you eventually. We've got a new kitty that has issues too... Once Rudy stopped being a pest, we stopped using the Feliway plug ins... but still have them if they work for couch peeing episodes!! Keep us posted!!* *BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a while back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference. She swore by the stuff... which is why we tried it.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present. I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan. The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously, but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in the living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which is the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway or bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or hallway? (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor and sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.) My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in same house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame cats growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they don't stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his own room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.) I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe I need to do more swopping. All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome! Kerry M. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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don't forget whenever you're buying anything online to check places like www.bizrate.com or www.shop.com to compare prices--you will be amazed at the range. sometime last year i did a search on the feliway diffusers--it's sure to be in the archives! On 1/8/07, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the answer. We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot house. So I would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too little defeats the purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light). We noticed a HUGE difference in aggression with Feli-way... but had never used it to stop or curb improper elimination problems... I'd be interested to hear if it helps you eventually. We've got a new kitty that has issues too... Once Rudy stopped being a pest, we stopped using the Feliway plug ins... but still have them if they work for couch peeing episodes!! Keep us posted!! BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a while back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference. She swore by the stuff... which is why we tried it. Leslie =^..^= On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present. I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan. The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously, but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in the living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which is the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway or bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or hallway? (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor and sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.) My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in same house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame cats growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they don't stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his own room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.) I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe I need to do more swopping. All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome! Kerry M. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I just did a search, and the cheapest place was at dog.com. I found that humorous:) On 1/8/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't forget whenever you're buying anything online to check places like www.bizrate.com or www.shop.com to compare prices--you will be amazed at the range. sometime last year i did a search on the feliway diffusers--it's sure to be in the archives! On 1/8/07, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think using enough... or more than enough in the plug-ins is the answer. We had 10 -12 running at any one time in our 3,000 square foot house. So I would say 4 is good for your space... but certainly too little defeats the purpose (so I'd run heavy rather than light). We noticed a HUGE difference in aggression with Feli-way... but had never used it to stop or curb improper elimination problems... I'd be interested to hear if it helps you eventually. We've got a new kitty that has issues too... Once Rudy stopped being a pest, we stopped using the Feliway plug ins... but still have them if they work for couch peeing episodes!! Keep us posted!! BTW - We started using it because there was someone on the FIP list a while back who used it in her clinic and noticed an amazing difference. She swore by the stuff... which is why we tried it. Leslie =^..^= On 1/8/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've stepped up the Feliway plug-ins and wondered what others think of the number--too few? Not enough? I'm using 4 total at present. I have a 2-bedroom place, about 1000 feet total, but mostly open-plan. The 2 bedrooms (each abt 10x10) and the bathroom have doors, obviously, but living/dining area (20 x10) and kitchen (10x10) are open-plan and connected via a narrow 12 feet hallway. I've put two plug-ins total in the living/dining area; plus one in the kitchen; and one in bedroom 1 (which is the ferals' room; door is kept closed). I don't have one in the hallway or bedroom 2 that bedroom door is usually kept half-open on to the living-room/dining area. Maybe I should add one to bedroom 2 and/or hallway? (I'm desperate to integrate Mickey and Momcat now they're negative but Mickey has a habit of peeing when he runs free in the aptment-floor and sofa and my bed are his locations of choice, so far.) My tame cats are not welcoming even though they've all been living in same house albeit not in the same living space for 3 years. My 2 male tame cats growl non-stop when Mickey comes trotting down the hallway, and they don't stop growling until the poor little fellow eventually runs back into his own room. (Momcat hasn't ventured forth at all yet.) I've begun swopping tame/feral catbeds around. Hasn't helped yet. Maybe I need to do more swopping. All opinions/comments/suggs for harmonious living welcome! Kerry M. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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MessageUse the spray where he is peeing. I haven't used Feliway for that purpose (only for reducing fear) but it is supposed to work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat Re Feliway, agree, I don't know if mine are doing any good or not--Mickey is still prone to peeing on sofa when he mixes with my tame cats--but I'm continuing to use as manufacturer recommends 90 days to see change of behavior. FYI, however, for those who do use Feliway--my local Petsmart matches the price of any internet price. The internet price was $28 for plug-in (bad enough I know); Petsmart store price $43!!. So I guess I did feel good about saving $15 per plug in. Maybe I'll start using the spray more--I have At-Ease, which is cheaper (thanks for the tip Nina!). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing. Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on her. I don't care for the plugins at all. Others like them. I can control what the spray is on and not on. And it has just worked better for me. Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway. Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than vets etc). I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle. Don't even ask what the first bottle cost. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
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Hey Kelley, I hope your new 'feral' kitty is doing well today. I read all the threads today on her, and it sounds like things are slowly going to work out. Thank goodness she is eating!-I would have been panicked about that too. Keep us posted on her! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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It's too soon to even consider anxiety meds. If she still wont let you be in the same room as her without growling in a MONTH, then it's more serious. I wouldn't expect to touch her for a month or longer. And forcing the issue and pushing her too soon will do more harm than good. You should be going in to give her food, and sitting on the floor AWAY from her, and NOT approaching her at all at this point. You should by all means let HER come to YOU. Talk calmly, don't approach her, and don't make eye contact. Keep your shoulders from squaring up on her, keep them angled so she doesn't feel trapped by your presence. You are pushing this cat way too soon, you should NOT be trying to touch her. Working with traumatized rescue cats takes lots of time, money, and patience. Please don't try to rush, rushing never accomplishes anything but stress. Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
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She has a gorgeous face! I so hope she comes around. Gina Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see: http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It always scares me when they won't eat. Especially since I could not even have syringe fed her. On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food. I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would. Gloria On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com
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She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat
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Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle
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*YEEES! Plug-Ins are great... that is what has worked for us. Especially if she's in a room by herself. That gives her a constant flow of pheromones. I'm sure you can use the spray as an additional boost. You just have to be sure that you don't let the plug-in run dry and stay plugged in. I'm a fanatic about fire hazards... and they do get hot if they have no fluid in them.* *Leslie =^..^=* On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My
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Finding her a home of her own in the future may be a really good thing. Right now, lose on top of lose on top of lose it would be so hard on her. I don't care for the plugins at all. Others like them. I can control what the spray is on and not on. And it has just worked better for me. Someone on the list mentioned a knock off that works as well as Feliway. Some of the super chains like Meijer's has it (at a lot lower cost than vets etc). I think the last I bought was about $15 a bottle. Don't even ask what the first bottle cost. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought
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one thing i would do, kelley, is talk to her--explain to her that it's not her fault that she lost her first home, that she's still a lovable creature and that sometimes people break their promises to small furry ones. and let her know the difference between foster homes and forever homes, so that she understands that she won't be with you forever (unless that's where she's meant to be)--otherwise, she's gonna go through the same trauma all over again. i know they supposedly don't understand our words, but when we verbalize things, they seem to pick up the ideas. i've seen many cats come into shelters very depressed who perk up, and are able to put their best paws forward, when reassured that it wasn't anything about THEM that caused them to be there. and she may actually feel safer, right now, in the anonymity of chaos, because it doesn't require her to give more than she can right now--in a single-cat household, she might be expected to be more affectionate and loving and trusting than she is capable of being. lots of cats get returned to shelters within the first day or so because they hide, or aren't friendly enough. On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going
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Amen to that. They really do understand much more than we think. And they tend to take on blame that is not theirs. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat one thing i would do, kelley, is talk to her--explain to her that it's not her fault that she lost her first home, that she's still a lovable creature and that sometimes people break their promises to small furry ones. and let her know the difference between foster homes and forever homes, so that she understands that she won't be with you forever (unless that's where she's meant to be)--otherwise, she's gonna go through the same trauma all over again. i know they supposedly don't understand our words, but when we verbalize things, they seem to pick up the ideas. i've seen many cats come into shelters very depressed who perk up, and are able to put their best paws forward, when reassured that it wasn't anything about THEM that caused them to be there. and she may actually feel safer, right now, in the anonymity of chaos, because it doesn't require her to give more than she can right now--in a single-cat household, she might be expected to be more affectionate and loving and trusting than she is capable of being. lots of cats get returned to shelters within the first day or so because they hide, or aren't friendly enough. On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marylyn, I just think that a lot of cats would want their own people, rather than being in my noisy, chaotic house where it is hard for a kitty to get some room to herself, and none of them really get enough attention (in my opinion). But that may not be what she wants. It is difficult for me to tell yet. I will get some Feliway spray next payday. What do you think of the plugins? Are they also usefull, or not? On 1/3/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't even think about adopting her out, at least for a long time. Can you imagine all the things that are going thru her mind Try putting feliway spray on your hand when you want to pet her. Honestly, it helped so much with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and with several ferals. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me
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Hooray! That's wonderful progress. Try not to push her. I would wait and see if she approaches you, or at least ask her permission to graze her with your touch. I wouldn't even be thinking about adopting her out at this point. Let her get used to the fact that switching homes means a step up on her situation first. After she's wonderful with you, I'd ask friendly humans to come around her and when she gets to feeling safe around new people, then I'd start to consider adoption. Patience my dear, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point.
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I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food. I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would. Gloria On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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It always scares me when they won't eat. Especially since I could not even have syringe fed her. On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food. I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would. Gloria On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see: http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It always scares me when they won't eat. Especially since I could not even have syringe fed her. On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food. I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would. Gloria On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life
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She's purrdy, but she looks mad in the second picture. My Matilda the Hun's pictures look the same way. I swear, she does get pleasant expressions on her face, just not often enough to snap a picture of them! N Kelley Saveika wrote: I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see: http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg
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She is wonderful just terrified as any of us would be. Keep putting yourself in her place, small, homeless suddenly, new noises and smells ..it is just awful for her but she is coming around and is beginning to understand you mean her no harm. What we do to these little ones. Keep talking to her and explaining things to her. She really is calming down to the point that she can understand. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see: http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It always scares me when they won't eat. Especially since I could not even have syringe fed her. On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food. I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would. Gloria On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy
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I couldn't get the 1st one to load, but got the 2nd. She's gorgeous - I can almost hear her purrr! Thanks, Gloria At 07:13 PM 1/3/2007, you wrote: I took some pictures of her, if anyone wants to see: http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpghttp://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline.jpg http://www.rescuties.org/images/caroline1.jpg On 1/3/07, Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It always scares me when they won't eat. Especially since I could not even have syringe fed her. On 1/3/07, Gloria Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't do the anti-anxiety as of yet, just let the cat food. I'm so glad she's coming around - thought she would. Gloria On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She's MUCH better as of last night. Ate a whole bowl of food, and let me come very close to touching her, then put her paw out to stop me (no claws this time, though.). I'm not sure of the next step. I can put her on anti anxiety meds, but if she's ok with me I won't know if they are working. I don't think I can take a chance on adopting her out at this point. On 1/2/07, Marylyn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]tamara stickler To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org/http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org/http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired
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*She's gorgeous!!! Thanks for sharing pictures...* -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Apparently the only scent I wear is cat pee, according to my coworkers, but that's another thread:p. I don't smoke. She is a LITTLE better. She ate enough canned food to produce a bowel movement. She's still not eating what I think she should, though - especially since her former guardian said she was a very enthusiastic eater and would make friends with the person who fed her. On 1/2/07, tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Great! Sounds like she's doing well and coming round. It's a big shock leaving the home you've known.. Gloria At 12:13 PM 1/2/2007, you wrote: Apparently the only scent I wear is cat pee, according to my coworkers, but that's another thread:p. I don't smoke. She is a LITTLE better. She ate enough canned food to produce a bowel movement. She's still not eating what I think she should, though - especially since her former guardian said she was a very enthusiastic eater and would make friends with the person who fed her. On 1/2/07, tamara stickler mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org/http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org/http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com/http://mail.yahoo.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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This is very true. Dixie Louise, who is a very laid back cat, snarled at a friend who had on a strange fragrance. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Kelley, Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker? It may take her a while to get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better. I fixed her up a nest in the linen closet, with the door cracked open. Sometimes she will go and get in it, and then the growling is not as severe. Sometimes she chooses to still be in the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail swishing, and hissing. She also has not eaten anything:(. She has urinated a tiny bit in the litter box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount. And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement. It is quite clear to us that blue tabbies rule the world!:) On 12/31/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and most patience come to mean to us. This darling chose you. You are honored beyond words. PS I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had the privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks, and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.) the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her i'm going to kill you, human episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least. there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she came back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor dear. the board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i would not be able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed away from her, because i didn't want to get close to her again. two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i was the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the fully-clawed cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in her spare time, they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from them! it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she was attacking everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals, me i had rescue remedy
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My apologies to Missy. I can only speak from experience. :)) By the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like? You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of. Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area? It will make her feel safer. I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:56 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Miss Caroline has gotten a TINY bit better. I fixed her up a nest in the linen closet, with the door cracked open. Sometimes she will go and get in it, and then the growling is not as severe. Sometimes she chooses to still be in the sink, though, and then we get the growling, the bared teeth, tail swishing, and hissing. She also has not eaten anything:(. She has urinated a tiny bit in the litter box, so I guess she is drinking at least a small amount. And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement. It is quite clear to us that blue tabbies rule the world!:) On 12/31/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is totally amazing how much the ones that require the most work and most patience come to mean to us. This darling chose you. You are honored beyond words. PS I know what you mean about Calicos ruling the world---I had the privilege of living with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks, and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.) the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet-me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her i'm going to kill you, human episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least. there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could decide
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On 1/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies to Missy. I can only speak from experience. :)) By the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like? You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of. Here are all the tabby colors: A brown tabby has black stripes on a brownish or grayish ground color. The black stripes may be coal black, or a little bit brownish. A blue tabby has gray stripes on a grayish or buff ground color. The gray stripes may be a dark slate gray, or a lighter blue-gray. A red tabby has orange stripes on a cream ground color. The orange stripes may be dark reddish orange, or light marmalade orange. A cream tabby has cream stripes on a pale cream ground color. These stripes look sand-colored or peach-colored rather than orange. A silver tabby has black stripes on a white ground color. The roots of the hairs are white. You can also have a blue silver, cream silver, or red silver tabby (red silver is also known as cameo tabby) depending on the color of the stripes. In all cases, silver tabbies have a pale ground color and white roots. To make sure, part the hairs and look at the roots. From http://www.petcaretips.net/cat_colors.html Here is a picture of a blue tabby http://www.nevas-berlin.de/Bilder/Wuerfe/N-Musikanten/Nacho/nacho-5w-1.jpg Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:) Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area? It will make her feel safer. I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. Right now I honestly cannot afford it. Hopefully next payday. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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And Missy and I take umbrage at your statement. It is quite clear to us that blue tabbies rule the world!:) sigh, those blue ones--they're always SO jealous that they're missing the red gene -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hi Kelley, You can try an off brand of Feliway. Petsmart sells one called At Ease by NaturVet. I've used both and they seem pretty comparable. Your sweet Missy may rule the world, but I'm betting she does it with her charm and beauty. I didn't even tell Ursula, (my Calico girl, who rules with an iron claw), what you said about Tabbies. She's the reason I had to find a cheaper source for the Feliway spay and I didn't want to have to break it out again. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: On 1/1/07, *Marylyn* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies to Missy. I can only speak from experience. :)) By the way, I know what a grey tabby is but what does a blue tabby look like? You can imagine the shades of blue I am thinking of. Of course, Missy is the most beautiful blue tabby in all the world:) Have you tried the Feliway spray in her nesting area? It will make her feel safer. I used bottles of the stuff with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt. Right now I honestly cannot afford it. Hopefully next payday.
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Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a blue tabby then! All this time I have called her gray/silver. http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look pink) http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-3.jpg http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-4.jpg Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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So is Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, Junior Partner (and a bunch of ferals I try to assist). I stand by my Calico comments. Dixie is not easily offended.The Royal Princess Kitty Katt stayed offended. Grey/Blue tabbies are so easy to live with. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Oh, wow, my Miranda is technically a blue tabby then! All this time I have called her gray/silver. http://ucat.us/Miranda2005-2.jpg (granted the lighting here makes her look pink) http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-3.jpg http://ucat.us/Miranda12-26-2006-4.jpg Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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On the finger note: Please be extremely careful about any bites. I had a feral bite my little finger and break it (my fault entirely). I had two surgeries and more antibiotics than I ever thought possible. And I was being treated in an ER less than half an hour after the bite. None of the doctors, especially the hand specialists, thought a 4 to 5 pound cat could possibly break a finer bone. They can and the infections can be very costly in time, money, pain I had been bitten before without problems and have been since but I watch a cat bite like you would not believe now. And if it is anywhere near a bone I will have it x-rayed just to be sure. The ER doctors were being very careful. Most would not have bothered to x-ray it. And I was being seen by hand specialists in less than 24 hours of the bite. This is rambling but I know you get the warning. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:10 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Try KFC or some other very fried chicken without the skin. And before it is refrigerated. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:28 AM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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*She sounds like one we got many years ago... we affectionately called her Shasta McNasty - Now she's just Shasta. She was THE nastiest cat I'd ever encountered! She finally came around and now is a love... but it took a while. I think those difficult ones tend to be extra special when you do finally win their trust... it was with Shasta.* *Leslie =^.^=* On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I don't think she is feral at all. Her ex-guardian had her since 8 weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me. (she's had WAY too many shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff joint). She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when she hears it. Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go in her room, but she pays no mind to them). On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that apparently she's not feral, just terrified. Give her time, and try tasty stuff (like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here. I have tried her regular food (they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food. Next I am going to try tuna. There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food. So I just have to hope that she eats, I guess. Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white bread - they think that is the best thing going! On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only can I not touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being in danger of losing a finger. On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The Benadryl really works for Patches. But I think (dont remember for sure) the dose is about 1/6 of a pill at a time, or 1/3 of a pill. I don't think it is half a pill, but not sure. I get it compounded for her ears because she is hard to pill and I was having to chase her around and tackle her to do it, while she tried to kill me, and after a few days of it I realized it was probably not so helpful to her anxiety to put her through that twice a day (or to mine!). Michelle In a message dated 12/30/2006 10:56:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the Benadryl can be given daily? It really calms them down? Who would have thought it was so easy... and with something we actually have in the house!! We have another boy Angelo who used to be our alpha male and was overthrown by our 25lb baby Rudy. Now poor Angelo hides all the time and we feel terrible for him. The vet prescribed some medication for him... but it didn't seem to work (we called them his Superman Pills). It's heartbreaking to see him constantly looking for Rudy. We resorted to putting a large bell on Rudy's collar that is very different sounding from all the other cats so Angelo could hear him... but if we could give them something that doesn't make them loopy... yet will give him back a quality of life... that would be great!! Thanks a million Jennifer and Michelle for the information!! I'm giving it a try tonight!! Leslie =^..^=
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Beautiful story, MC - Thanks. Gloria On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:06 AM, TenHouseCats wrote: let me tell you about lacey susan, whom i affectionately refer to as my psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed psychotic calico she was rescued at 4 weeks, and lived with one woman til she was 5 years old. she was front-declawed as a baby, and rear-declawed at around 3, because the new husband was worried about his hardwood floors. (the cat weighed about 8# at her heaviest.) the husband died, and the baby was born--and it was one of those babies who truly was allergic to everything, including milk. so lacey went to live with her grandma, where she spent all her time hiding under the computer desk. she came into the shelter where i volunteered, and i was told that she was most probably going to have to be euthed because she was nuts she'd do the headbonk, nudge, pet-me, pet-me, love-me, hiss, growl, bite, i'm-going-to-rip-off-your-face, headbonk, pet- me, pet-me routine she also looked almost identical to my FirstCalico, who'd gone to the bridge two years previously--and as you know, it's not usual to find two calicos with markings that similar. so, of course, i had to give her a chance. i am NOT reliably a communicator, but some cats DO talk quite clearly to me, and she has always been one. i realized she was terrifed, and acting out of fear and abandonment. i figured, hey, she has no claws, and as long as i stay away from the teeth, what's she gonna do to me, anyway? started out talking to her in her cage, and i promised her that no one would ever hurt her left her a shirt of mine to sleep with, to have my scent. over the following days, i was able to pick her up--the only person who could--and take her into the huge staff bathroom we had. i'd take a book, some toys, and just sit on the floor and leave her be. she'd sniff under the door, come over and nudge me, play with the toys, headbonk, and demand petting in between her i'm going to kill you, human episodes. i'd spend an hour or two with her each day. she'd go ballistic when i went to put her back in the cage, but other than that, she was definitely calming down--for me, at least. there was a volunteer there who was big and fast, with very little awareness of cat signals, and not too surprisingly, she bit him one day, so she went into isolation for ten days--but i continued to work with her, and she continued to respond. she was still nuts, mind you, but less so. the shelter board asked me to write up an evaluation on her so they could decide whether she should be put up for adoption, and one of the members decided that she could tame her, and took her home for two weeks. when she came back, she was worse than when she'd first come into the shelter, poor dear. the board had decided that she could only go to an only cat home, so i would not be able to adopt her. i was broken hearted, and pretty much stayed away from her, because i didn't want to get close to her again. two weeks later, they told me i could take her if i wanted to, because i was the only person she'd ever responded to, and otherwise they'd have to euthanize her. i was ecstatic. i was concerned about how she'd do with the fully-clawed cats in the house--ha! i swear this cat files her teeth down in her spare time, they were in far more danger from her than she ever was from them! it was awful--she was attacking them constantly, as she'd managed to figure out how to reliably get out of the isolation space. she was attacking everything, actually--furniture, stuffed animals, me i had rescue remedy in a carrier solution which i could spray on her and the surroundings, and it seemed to help a bit, but after two weeks, it was rapidly becoming clear that something had to change. i was up on the bed with her, and i was in tears. she was letting me pet her, and i asked her if she really wanted to be on this earth any longer, that she was terrorizing the other cats and drawing way too much of my blood, and that things just could not go on like this. the little motley punk climbed onto my lap, and purred for 45 minutes. and things began to get better from then on. that was seven and a half years ago. she STILL hates other cats, and will still attack stuffed animals when hissed off. she told me, after a bit, that she would NEVER be a pet again, because it hurt too much. that MAYBE, if i kept her as long as her first mom had, she would CONSIDER really trusting me this is a cat who did NOT purr--very occasionally she would practice what she insisted was rhythmic growling, and would stop as soon as she was caught at it. (once we actually had the vet come out, because she'd been purring constantly, and we knew that there was something wrong!) almost five years to the day from when she came to live with me, she started purring more regularly she
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well, yes, i was positive when i wrote it, but now i can't remember for sure. of course, you know my memory is becoming progressively more randomly accessible as i age. so i'm sitting here trying to visualize what's written on that little index card, and the level of med in the syringe--but which size syringe am i seeing? one of the 1cc, or one of the 3ccs? oh, no, now i'm gonna have to go search through 320GB of hard-drive space to see where the heck i saved it... On 12/31/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .25MG? Are you sure about that MC? That isn't enough to do anything, I don't think. The standard does is 12.5MG. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hi Kelley, Welcome to the world of How the heck am I going to overcome all that's happened to this poor aggressive cat?. The key is patience, love and respect, with a heavy emphasis on patience. Some of these poor scared individuals are more difficult than others, but with understanding of the trauma they've been through, you can eventually gain their trust. Everyone's suggestions have been really good. (Thank you so much Chris for the detailed description of how you dealt with Romeo's acclimation. Well done!). Keeping Caroline in a confined, smaller space at first will help her feel safer. She's hiding in the sink because it's the best place she's found in the bathroom to protect herself from intruders, (that's you my dear). It's got walls of a sort and she has a good vantage point to defend herself. Do make sure you give her someplace more appropriate and protected to hide. Think of it as her fort. I understand the thought about not free feeding her, she does need to know the food comes from you, but in her current state I think it's better to keep dry down all the time, (do you know what she was being fed before?), and then offering her something incredibly yummy when you are in there with her. She's going to know the food is coming from you, she's scared, not stupid. That way she will come to know her new home provides everything she needs and you don't want her to go hungry if she doesn't have to. Heaven knows she has enough stress, don't add hunger to the equation. Make it as comfortable as possible in her bathroom, shower someplace else, if you can. I usually put a very soft bed down on the floor to encourage them to venture out of their safe place for more than food, you can put an article of clothing on top to get her used to your smell. A scratching pad or post, (if it will fit), will eventually help her burn off some anxiety too. The RR and Feliway can't hurt and just might help, (spray the Feliway on articles away from her presence, sometimes the sound of the spray sounds like hissing to them). If you do decide to give her a portion of antihistamine, wrap a bit of pill pocket around it and slip it into her food, don't try to pill her in the state she's in. I would wait on trying to drug her though, she needs her wits about her to figure out that she's really okay, that you are a good guy and she doesn't have anything to worry about. The eye contact and body language suggestions are good. You don't want to be pushy with her at all. Let her decide on her own when and if to approach you. Move very slowly and deliberately. Sit on the floor as far from her as you can in the confined space and bring a book to read. After she begins to get used to your presence, start to read aloud to her, or sing her a soft and gentle song with her name in the lyrics. Bring some treats to toss her way, if she doesn't take them in your presence, leave them on the floor for her to find later. Give her a routine she can count on. Feed, socialize, clean the litter box all at the same time each day. I usually bring a sleeping bag and pillow in at night to say goodnight. Shut the light and get as comfortable as possible, eventually, she'll come and check you out when she thinks you are sleeping. Talk to her and tell her what you are going to do when you are with her. I'm so glad to hear that you are already considering keeping her. What a lucky girl to have found such a compassionate rescuer. Let her know that she will never go through this sort of thing again, that you will take your cue from her about whether or not your's will be her forever home. Poor little girl, she's been through so much and the trauma is far from over. Shame on her former human, help her understand that we're not all so unconcerned about responsibility to our friends. The very best to both of you. Please let us know how Caroline is doing, Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
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If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle
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Michelle, I'm so glad you mentioned this. My Phelix has the same problem with pulling his hair out from his tummy and back legs...and he does tend to be involved in some sibling rivalry on a regualr basis. I'm going to go see the compounding pharmacist here. elizabeth On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle
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*Does the Benadryl have to be compounded? What is the dosage... do you know? We've got one that pulls his hair out and I'd like to try it!* *Thanks!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The dose my doctor recommended for an extremely upset cat was 1/2 of a 25mg pill...that might be too much for one with OCD though. It really calmed Celena down though..she was insane at the time over an outside cat she saw through the window...attacking everyone in sight on the inside. I plan to talk to my vet about it next week. On 12/30/06, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Does the Benadryl have to be compounded? What is the dosage... do you know? We've got one that pulls his hair out and I'd like to try it!* *Thanks!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her ear. My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety. She was prescribed it because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. Michelle -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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No, you can give benadryl in it's pill form, get the tablets, not the caplets, and break one in half, that is a safe cat dose! 1/2 of a 25MG tablet, or 12.5MG is the usual cat dose. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila
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Children's benadryl is so diluted you have to give such a large amount to a cat it's not practical. I think it's like a whole teaspoon or more to equal a 12.5MG dose. The adult pills are much easier, they are already small, and once you cut them in half, they are VERY easy to get into a cat (you can even usually hide it in some wet food). They only last for about 6 hours though, so it's more than once a day. I think my vet had me giving them 2x a day, but it never really cured my cat, who has allergies, and not a psychological condition. Mythic actually ITCHES, he isn't just a hair puller (which is generally a psychological problem, not a physical one). I would think Valium would be a better drug for psychological hair pulling, but of course that's a prescription and probably not cheap. Valium dosages for cats are usually 2.5MG to 5MG, I believe. I used to give Mythic a WHOLE Benadryl tablet on my vet's advice occasionally, but I don't recommend it without veterinary recommendation, as I think you would need to do a blood panel first (my cat is strong and in good health). Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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I've tried liquid Benadryl before. The cat I gave it to really hated the flavor/taste and went ballistic. Not the reaction I was hoping for at all. If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill pocket and hiding it in food, please do. If the cat is eating at all, they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in. I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila
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i've always given .25 ml of the pediatric liquid with the cats who can't be pilled. no, they aren't fond of it, but i'm fonder of my fingers--and for the behavioral hair-pulling/licking/scratching (which often starts out as an actual allergic reaction then turns into a behavioral thing), it's worked on many cats over many years. and yeah, those caplets REALLY don't work On 12/31/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried liquid Benadryl before. The cat I gave it to really hated the flavor/taste and went ballistic. Not the reaction I was hoping for at all. If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill pocket and hiding it in food, please do. If the cat is eating at all, they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in. I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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oops--that's .25/mg twice a day, per my vet On 12/31/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've always given .25 ml of the pediatric liquid with the cats who can't be pilled. no, they aren't fond of it, but i'm fonder of my fingers--and for the behavioral hair-pulling/licking/scratching (which often starts out as an actual allergic reaction then turns into a behavioral thing), it's worked on many cats over many years. and yeah, those caplets REALLY don't work On 12/31/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried liquid Benadryl before. The cat I gave it to really hated the flavor/taste and went ballistic. Not the reaction I was hoping for at all. If you haven't tried coating pills with a tiny bit of pill pocket and hiding it in food, please do. If the cat is eating at all, they usually wolf the pill down with whatever yummy food I put it in. I've even put it along side some of those disgusting Whiskas treats and they will eat the pill pocketed med right along with the treats. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, what about children's benadryl it's liquid and you can give it with a dropper. I could maybe get it in my cats that way,but I wouldn't know what amount to give. Sheila -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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.25MG? Are you sure about that MC? That isn't enough to do anything, I don't think. The standard does is 12.5MG. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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There are others here who probably have much more useful info for you, but from hanging out on the feral_cats list, sounds to me like you may have to treat her exactly like a feral -- cage and (re)socialize. It can be done, just a case of baby steps, going slow, winning trust, patience patience patience. Bless you for taking her in. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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*I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the bathroom with her. I have had success with both of those products. You can also try Rescue Remedy in her water. We take in feral cats, and my advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer. Talk softly and just spend time letting her get used to you. Don't make any quick moves, and don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her. It will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I will try, but she's not in the floor. She's in the sink, and ferociously defending her new territory. I had to brush my teeth at the bathroom sink:) On 12/29/06, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I agree with Diane... but you might also try Feliway or Comfortzone in the bathroom with her. I have had success with both of those products. You can also try Rescue Remedy in her water. We take in feral cats, and my advice would be to go in the bathroom with her... sit on the floor (get down to her level) and take baby food or treats to offer. Talk softly and just spend time letting her get used to you. Don't make any quick moves, and don't force her to come to you... just keep a very calm state of mind when you're in there and try not to make a lot of eye contact with her. It will take time, so don't expect her to come to you on the first trip in... She's scared right now, and that could take a while to overcome. * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/29/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I use Feliway spray and Rescue Remedy with the ferals I have worked with. They work wonders on distraught cats of any kind. Spray the room she is in with the Feliway and maybe some concentrated catnip and put RR in her water (you may want to take some too). Remember the cat is very confused and frightened. She has been removed from her person and placed in a strange home with strange cats and... She may not act like this when she realizes she is safe. Also let the cat see you when you put out food. Try not to free feed her. She needs to associate you with food and with treats. This will work out. You just have to be extremely patient. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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New thought: Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can get used to the smell. A well used wash cloth or towel would work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I definitely recommend the feliway, rescue remedy and giving her a place to hide where she will feel safe. I've had some success in the past giving a very agressive cat 1/2 of a 25mg benedryl...my vet at the time told me to do that. Wasn't easy getting it down her but it did a lot to calm her down. elizabeth On 12/29/06, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New thought: Leave a piece of your clothing (old please) where she can get used to the smell. A well used wash cloth or towel would work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 11:14 AM *Subject:* OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I haven't had any experience with an aggressive cat but I think it is so wonderful that you took her. Maybe her aggression is from being scared and in a new place. Poor baby. I am sure she is probably scared when she has been taken to the vet so maybe that is why their paperwork says she is aggressive. I know my Tabby Cat and Nicholas are so sweet at home but at the vet's office they turn into these cats I have never seen before. Especially Tabby Cat the vet has will bite on her chart. She doesn't show that behavior at home. I hope things get better for you and the new kitty. Cindy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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In the area of eye contact, I learned this on feral_cats: the slow blink. Like narrowed eyes, this is a sign of friendship if you can do it with some subtlety. Blink very slowly, make very brief eye contact, blink again and this time look slightly away from her, blink again and make brief eye contact. For some reason the averted gaze part connects with a lot of cats. Oh, and another thing is to make sure the food comes and goes with you. Don't leave it even if she doesn't eat while you're there. You=food, and food=good, so therefore, eventually, you=good. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vt link%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0 QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vt link%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0 QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Poor thing, her name is Caroline. I was thinking of Charlottes web... She had two cats, but found a home for the other. So Caroline is in a strange place, without her kitty friend. On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I wouldn't take it too personally. She probably knew the friend already, where you are a total stranger. Up til now, her entire life experience with strangers has likely been limited to vets and vet techs, none of which do anything even remotely nice to her (in her opinion). She probably knows she has been replaced by this man as well, and is going through at least a little self-doubt as to her self-worth. It's hard to be considered trash and not be at least a little hurt and defensive about it. Give her time and patience, and realize that if you continually show her love, she may eventually begin to show it back to you. Phaewryn Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol.
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An old story to many on the list but one that may help: The Royal Princess Kitty Katt knew me most of her life. She had decided to live with my parents after a few months of living feral. Unfortunately I was the one who took her to the vet's, cut her nails etc. But she knew me and liked me sort of part of the time. My father died and, until then, he was her favorite person. It was just Kitty and Mom for a number of years. Then Mom decided she could not take care of Kitty and sent her to me to live the rest of her life. Kitty was ballistic. Her job was taking care of Mom and she was moved to a city from the country, to a house that was considerably different in terms of neighbors, heating, air conditioning, street noises ...you name it, it was different. Including a working person as opposed to a person who stayed home with her all the time. Talk about major trauma. I spent 3 months sleeping on the floor near the couch she hid under. Gradually she came out and finally slept with me on the floor. Life did get a lot better. This was a perfectly tame, wonderful little calico cat who was moved to someone she knew and who had access to an animal communicator. Caroline has been thrown out of a home and given to someone who is a total unknown with unknown everything that goes with it. If you have access to an animal communicator, you might ask her to reassure Caroline. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Poor thing, her name is Caroline. I was thinking of Charlottes web... She had two cats, but found a home for the other. So Caroline is in a strange place, without her kitty friend. On 12/29/06, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor Charlotte. Her exmommy should have insisted on Claritin Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat Her story is the dreaded moving in with the allergic boyfriend one. She didn't even bring her over - a friend of hers did. So Charlotte was clearly tame enough for the friend to get into a carrier (which is more than I could do at this point). Charlotte didn't go ballistic until she saw me...lol. On 12/29/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the world of Owner Surrenders! What one says is certainly usually NOT what one gets! It's common for a sweet kitty with no problems to actually arrive to you as kitty from hell about to gouge out your eyeballs in a fit of rage. That being said, you do sometimes get a cat in that really was a good cat in it's own home, and is just so totally freaked out by the change and new surroundings and strangers that it will just freak out and seem completely feral. My suggestion is to keep her as you are, in a smaller room, and give her lots of hiding places, like boxes nested inside each other, baskets, and a kennel with an open door (or the door removed). When you are in with her, move very slowly; NEVER make eye contact, always keep your shoulders angled away from her, never face her straight on, as that is threatening body language. When you HAVE to look at her, squint your eyes, but keep your face relaxed, as narrowed eyes are a sign of friendliness in cats. Don't try to approach her or touch her. Sit down on the other side of the room and don't face her, but sit in there quietly while she eats, just so she gets used to your presence. Move slowly, be quiet while you are in her room. She may come around. Or maybe not, and the owner might have completely made up the fact that she is tame, just so you would take her. It happens. Phaewryn Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html DONATE VIA PAYPAL: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=seething%40vtlink%2enetitem_name=DONATION%20to%20Whitey%20Veterinary%20Bill%20Fund 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org
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Oh.h.h. yeaa - sounds very familiar. I'd give her some time to herself for a few days, and see how she reacts to a little tasty canned food after that. I've had the NICEST cats start out quite aggressive, because they didn't like the new and different surroundings, don't like leaving their homes, watching their stuff being packed up, etc. When I got C.J., he was really scarey. But he turned into such a sweetheart. Same with Katie. Have had others do that too. I'd say - it's not time to worry yet. Gloria On Dec 29, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: OT - Help, aggressive cat
Well quite by accident I did fall into a way to help socialize my Romeo-he knew me from my feeding him in a small colony but was NOT happy at being brought in. Because I had to separate him initially from my brood, I set him up in my bedroom. There's an outer door to the bedroom and the bath inside my bedroom area also has its own door. Initially, I put him in the bathroom but I worried that his howling would disturb my neighbors (I live in apt). So out of necessity, I got a big dog kennel (wire one) from a friend an set him up on top of some boxes in my bedroom-This way, I wouldn't ever tower over him and he could see everything at eye level. I put his litter box and food dishes in there as well as a towel so that he'd be comfortable. Then I covered all but one side with a sheet. The kennel had a 'shelf' in it so that at least when I went in to clean the box, he could jump up on the shelf. He'd sort of retreat to the box when I would change his food water. Well, my computer is in my bedroom and I soon realized that as I sat there working, he'd be peeking out at me. If I looked at him, he sort of ran and hid. So whenever I was going to stay in the room, I'd make sure he was able to see me at all times. When I wasn't in, I left one side of the sheet open. Anyway, as the days went on, he sort of got used to seeing me, got used to the radio, the TV, the vacumn cleaner, etc-all those strange inside noises. He was safe inside his kennel so he'd just watch. After about a week, I opened his kennel door and realized that when I wasn't around, he'd sort of peek around so I started putting his food dishes at the bottom of the boxes he'd jump out to eat and then quickly jump back up to get in his box. Then after another week, I put his litter box in the bathroom and switched him to a much smaller kennel where he could sleep but without his food or litter. Getting him in there was a trick-had to put the door of the big kennel against the door of the small kennel and sort of slide him in there! Once I got him in the little kennel, I showed him where the litter box was by bringing the kennel in the bathroom. Then I brought him back on top of the boxes in the bedroom. He'd wait til I was out of the room or until he thought I was asleep then sneak around the corner into the box. We went that way for about 2 weeks. He got braver and braver even with me in the room but would always jump back up to his kennel if he got scared. Then about a month after I brought him in, I was sitting at my computer and saw that he had jumped on my bed and was making himself comfortable. Of course, the minute I leaned over the monitor to look, he hopped back into his kennel but I knew it was all going to be fine-he had found the creature comforts of inside living! I left the kennel up for another couple of weeks but by then my other cats were visiting and I got rid of it when I realized they were spending more time in it than he was! Soo, I think that by accident I sort of did 'immersion' socialization. He could see everything-hear everything-and still be safe. Once he realized nothing terrible was going to happen and that beds are really pretty neat, he was fine. He's turned into the biggest mush in the world. He'll let me do anything to him but pick him up-ane we're working on that! Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:14 PM To: felvtalk Subject: OT - Help, aggressive cat Hi guys, I took in an owner surrendered cat last night. Most of my rescue friends love taking in owner surrendered cats because they generally have at least some medical history. I got this cat in, and she is *extremely aggressive*. She acts completely feral. I'm not able to get within a foot of her at the most. I have her in the bathroom by herself in hopes she'll calm down. The previous owner states the cat was friendly with her and never attacked any visitors. However, the paperwork from the vet lists aggression as a condition going back at least 4 years. Any ideas? I think this is going to become one of my cats. I can't adopt out a cat I know to be aggressive. At this point, if she needed medical attention I'd need to trap her to take her in . Has anyone ever dealt successfully with a cat like this? If I didn't know better I'd swear she was feral and had never been around humans at all. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
