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Ditto to that. My late previously outdoor boy Monkee used the litterbox the first night I took him in- after I had covered anything exposed in the room with plastic (which didn't need it!). He had meticulous litter box behaviors and would get mad at me if it was dirty (he wanted it changed once a week!), and upset if he ever got anything on him due to a box needing to be changed. He rejoiced with each compelete changing of the box (emptying fully and cleaning it, new liner), by laying in the new box and rolling around in the cyrstals and scratching his back, purring-- all in front of me. He would only lay in the box when it was first fresh (after his first pee or poo- no laying); so it was truly a celebration of the clean litter box-- that's what we dubbed it and he did it everytime. I miss those days. My family had some cats with horrible litter box behaviors (spraying and ruining couches when we moved to a smaller house and turd stealing-- moving them to new locations-- always a treat!)-- and these were hand-raised from the minute they were born, indoor babies. And now I am down to two foster cats who've also never been outside and they have bad bathroom habits which involve putting everything in the near vincinty on top of their business after each occurence (toys, bed buddies, whatever their little paws can grab)- which makes for a lot of dirty items. My foster kitten Yoda pretty much trashes his crate every day with the throwing of litter and other items and my mom is about to kill him! He's dirty and he stinks and as soon as I give him a bath...he'll just start it all over again. So never sell the outdoor cats short-- they have proven to me to have the BEST litterbox habits! -Caroline Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:57:11 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Whitey's UpdateTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I'm so glad you're keeping him! I've never had a cat have a problem using the litterbox due to being outside before. In fact mine that have litterbox issues have never been outside. Whitey's lucky you're taking him in! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;)I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :)Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy.A couple of questions now1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys
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I'm so glad you're keeping him! I've never had a cat have a problem using the litterbox due to being outside before. In fact mine that have litterbox issues have never been outside. Whitey's lucky you're taking him in! tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :) 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement. He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I should wait before I start to worry? Michael - Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
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Thanks laurie, Junior is already blind in one eye and has poor sight in the other eye from uveitis that he had during the early phase of his infection. He lost his sight from a car accident in his right eye, the left eye became permenantly dilated after the uveitis. It was treated for three weeks or more last fall for the uveitis. He vision is very poor he sees to get around. He gets pain medication for the glaucoma. Here is where I got my info on Baytril he has taken it on several occassions with no adverse effects. http://www.showcatsonline.com/x/baytril_warning.htm The 5mg mentioned is per kg. So I am confused on that issue. Sally On 10/11/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, all I know is they thought Frankie's blindness might be from several rounds of 5 mg per day of Baytril. The vet said this was the low dose that has been recommended since cats were going blind on higher dosesthe vet we saw is an opthalmologist who did the research for Bayer. I am not being pushy. Maybe you can ask the question on petvetcafe ~ the yahoo group where vets belong?? Laurie - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:13 PM *Subject:* Re: Whitey's Update I just went to the warning page for Baytril and his dose is withing the safe range. It says not to exceed 5 mg per KG Junior weighs 6.35 kg so that would equate to a dose up to 31.75 mg. Thanks for the heads up. Sally On 10/10/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, this is a very high dose of Baytril.have you asked your vet about it? - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:51 PM *Subject:* Re: Whitey's Update HI Michael I am way behind on emails, but I will respond to the Baytril question. Junior is currently on Baytril it kills all the good bacteria in the gut and gives him diarreah. So As soon as he gets on this I get him on probiotics. He has not had any diarrhea. His dosage is 22.7mg per day. I have read some about the dangers, but he is already mostly blind from an infection he had in the early stages of his FELV infection. By the way everyone. Junior had his one year anniversary of on 10/6. He tested positive a year ago on that date. He is currently battling a URI. I will go back and read Whitey's story. Sally On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link
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Sally, all I know is they thought Frankie's blindness might be from several rounds of 5 mg per day of Baytril. The vet said this was the low dose that has been recommended since cats were going blind on higher dosesthe vet we saw is an opthalmologist who did the research for Bayer. I am not being pushy. Maybe you can ask the question on petvetcafe ~ the yahoo group where vets belong?? Laurie - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Whitey's Update I just went to the warning page for Baytril and his dose is withing the safe range. It says not to exceed 5 mg per KG Junior weighs 6.35 kg so that would equate to a dose up to 31.75 mg. Thanks for the heads up. Sally On 10/10/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, this is a very high dose of Baytril.have you asked your vet about it? - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Whitey's Update HI Michael I am way behind on emails, but I will respond to the Baytril question. Junior is currently on Baytril it kills all the good bacteria in the gut and gives him diarreah. So As soon as he gets on this I get him on probiotics. He has not had any diarrhea. His dosage is 22.7mg per day. I have read some about the dangers, but he is already mostly blind from an infection he had in the early stages of his FELV infection. By the way everyone. Junior had his one year anniversary of on 10/6. He tested positive a year ago on that date. He is currently battling a URI. I will go back and read Whitey's story. Sally On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get
Whitey's Update
Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching.? And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners.? I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it.? He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home.? Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him.? Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often.? We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed.? I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details.? Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :(? The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat.? But let me tell you, that boy eats :)? He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day.? He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom!? He's not once yeowled or tried to get out.? He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content!? I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems.? For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept.? You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up.? He's also using the litterbox.? Hallelujah!? lol? I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long.? Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :)? (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing.? He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was!? I swear, he just amazes me.? I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers.? I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for?? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well?? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :)? 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use?? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement.? He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I should wait before I start to worry? Michael Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Michael, I cannot read your posts without tears. That blessed cat. It's a wonder he is alive. And you and Jeff are his angels...but he is also very likely yours. I wonder if the hearing issue might be temporary and caused by some of other problems. The sleeping could be from exhaustion. My rescued cats seem to sleep for about a week when they get here. They may not poop for 24 hours. I don't know about longer than 24 but you don't want him to hold the stool and get megacolon. Maybe ask the vet? WATCH THE BAYTRIL. In large doses, it can cause blindness. I would imagine your vet is well versed in this. I believe the recommended dose is 5 mg but please check on this. One possible explanation for my Frankie's blindness is frequent baytril in his early years (not high doses ~ but often prescribed). Midas (kidney failure kitten) and Isabella (feline leuk positive) are 2 cats I rescued/helped this year. Both are in permanent homes with friends. Because of their health issues, I have agreed to pay all vet bills for Isabella and non-routine vet bills for Midas (he seems to be healthy but you never know what future issues could arise from the kidney failure). These are wonderful homes and I am so grateful my friends love and care for these kittiesthis is a way I can help. Prayers for the kitty. Maybe you can find a name that rhymes with Whitey.??!! How about Mighty ~ he certainly is. I think of him as King Mighty!! Laure - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: Whitey's Update Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :) 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement. He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I
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HI Michael I am way behind on emails, but I will respond to the Baytril question. Junior is currently on Baytril it kills all the good bacteria in the gut and gives him diarreah. So As soon as he gets on this I get him on probiotics. He has not had any diarrhea. His dosage is 22.7mg per day. I have read some about the dangers, but he is already mostly blind from an infection he had in the early stages of his FELV infection. By the way everyone. Junior had his one year anniversary of on 10/6. He tested positive a year ago on that date. He is currently battling a URI. I will go back and read Whitey's story. Sally On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :) 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement. He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I should wait before I start to worry? Michael -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mailhttp://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF0002000970 ! -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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Michael It was so great that you were able to post his picture. It gives all of us a sense of who he is and a connection to him, that a name does not quite do. He is such a lovely boy and I am so glad you decided to 'take him on'. My (holistic) vet recommended the probiotic FortiFlora as an immune booster as well as intestinal health. MeMe loves it and has done really well on it. Marylyn recommended PetzLife, oral gel for clearing up infections and bacteria in the mouth. We've been using it every third day and so far, so good. If he does wind up staying with you and Jeff, you might look into a 'cat jacket' to give him a brake from the sunroom. MeMe spends a good part of the day outside with her jacket on (tethered to a 20ft retractable leash). It has given her a great deal of stimulation (she watches the bird bath and hunts bugs). It took her a few days to get used to it but now she purrs when we put it on her because she knows she is going out. It might be a good brake for Whitey when he is well and needs a brake from the sunroom. It is so great that you are caring for him...he really is a love. Jane On Oct 10, 2007, at 10:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :) 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement. He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I should wait before I start to worry? Michael Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
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Sally, this is a very high dose of Baytril.have you asked your vet about it? - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Whitey's Update HI Michael I am way behind on emails, but I will respond to the Baytril question. Junior is currently on Baytril it kills all the good bacteria in the gut and gives him diarreah. So As soon as he gets on this I get him on probiotics. He has not had any diarrhea. His dosage is 22.7mg per day. I have read some about the dangers, but he is already mostly blind from an infection he had in the early stages of his FELV infection. By the way everyone. Junior had his one year anniversary of on 10/6. He tested positive a year ago on that date. He is currently battling a URI. I will go back and read Whitey's story. Sally On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :) 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement. He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I should wait before I start to worry? Michael Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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I just went to the warning page for Baytril and his dose is withing the safe range. It says not to exceed 5 mg per KG Junior weighs 6.35 kg so that would equate to a dose up to 31.75 mg. Thanks for the heads up. Sally On 10/10/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, this is a very high dose of Baytril.have you asked your vet about it? - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:51 PM *Subject:* Re: Whitey's Update HI Michael I am way behind on emails, but I will respond to the Baytril question. Junior is currently on Baytril it kills all the good bacteria in the gut and gives him diarreah. So As soon as he gets on this I get him on probiotics. He has not had any diarrhea. His dosage is 22.7mg per day. I have read some about the dangers, but he is already mostly blind from an infection he had in the early stages of his FELV infection. By the way everyone. Junior had his one year anniversary of on 10/6. He tested positive a year ago on that date. He is currently battling a URI. I will go back and read Whitey's story. Sally On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :) 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement. He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I should wait before I start to worry? Michael -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mailhttp://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF0002000970 ! -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black
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HI laurie This is the same dose he has received in the past and from different vet hospitals. I will check into it. Sally On 10/10/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, this is a very high dose of Baytril.have you asked your vet about it? - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:51 PM *Subject:* Re: Whitey's Update HI Michael I am way behind on emails, but I will respond to the Baytril question. Junior is currently on Baytril it kills all the good bacteria in the gut and gives him diarreah. So As soon as he gets on this I get him on probiotics. He has not had any diarrhea. His dosage is 22.7mg per day. I have read some about the dangers, but he is already mostly blind from an infection he had in the early stages of his FELV infection. By the way everyone. Junior had his one year anniversary of on 10/6. He tested positive a year ago on that date. He is currently battling a URI. I will go back and read Whitey's story. Sally On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys, here's an updated on Whitey (Ugh, I hate thatname, but Jeff won't let me change it now), 24 hours into the intervention ;) I've done a lot of thinking, and soul searching. And I've decided I'm not gonna put him back outside, or make any effort to contact his owners. I've decided they don't deserve animals, and I even seriously considered reporting them to the humane society, but figured I'd best just get him better and leave it alone as long as they don't make a fuss over it. He still has a long road to recovery, but once we get him better, I'm either gonna keep him in the sunroom (and figure out a way to make an outside area for him, or hopefully find him a good home. Jeff is trying to convince his mother to take him. Its a very quiet house with no other animals, and I know he'd be taken good care of there, and Jeff would see him often. We don't know if she'll say yes, but right now we're just focused on getting him healed. I even offered to provide his food and litter to sweeten the deal :) Anyway, I spoke with the vet and Jeff yesterday when I got home and got a bit more details. Apparently not only does he have hyperthyroidism, a benign tumor on his thyroid, severe gingivitis, teeth needing pulled, severe ear infection, and a grade 3 heart murmur, but he also has mouth ulcers. :( The vet said he's surprised the fella can even eat. But let me tell you, that boy eats :) He's been eating Sheba and drinking catmilk as fast as I can give it to him, several times a day. He's just acting completely at home in the sunroom! He's not once yeowled or tried to get out. He's found his spot out there, and he's been quite content! I've been paying closer attention to the fella, and I do believe he's hard of hearing. I don't think he's completely deaf, but I do believe he has hearing problems. For starters, Jeff was vacuuming the indoor/outdoor carpet out there, and he just laid there and slept. You can open the door and call him in a low voice and he doesn't respond, but if you yell, he looks up. He's also using the litterbox. Hallelujah! lol I was afraid he'd never figure it out after being outside so long. Jeff set up a webcam out there so we can keep an eye on him while we're in the house :) (I'll send you guys a link if Jeff ever figures out how to connect it to the internet and not just our personal wireless network.) I think cleaning out his ears as helped some with the imbalancing. He's still wobbly, but seems much better than he was! I swear, he just amazes me. I can't imagine what a rough life this little guy must have had up to this point...and for him to be so calm, and loving, after living through such hell, it just says he's a very special boy. A couple of questions now 1. The vet put him on Baytril for the infection/mouth ulcers. I know you guys are familiar with itwhat are the side effects, what do I need to look for? Is that the broad spectrum antibiotic that kills the good intestinal bacteria as well? do I need to get some yogurt and/or probiotics? :) 2. How long should he go before I get concerned about the litterbox use? He's peed in it, but so far hasn't had a bowel movement. He's not been out there even 24 hours yet, so I'm not too terribly concerned, but how long do you guys think I should wait before I start to worry? Michael -- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mailhttp://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF0002000970 ! -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http
