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It pays to investigate and be sure. Don't always accept what someone tells you. Lorrie wrote: > Thank you Amani. This was such a wonderful story. > > Lorrie > > On 05-26, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of > > cancer. The shelter where she had been staying, was closing down > > and she was obviously not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had > > heard of my reputation for being a sap for hard luck cases, so I > > was contacted out of the blue and asked if I would take her and let > > her live out her days sleeping on a comforter instead of in a > > shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a while, and obtaining > > her previous medical records and reviewing them, I was skeptical > > that she had cancer. She wasn???t deteriorating, but she had a > > whole lot of serious pain from something. Happily, after much > > running around and thousands of dollars, we had her in for surgery > > in March and a piece of tissue was removed (a remnant it appears, > > from an infected uterus which was removed) and I was so gratified > > to see the immediate change in her personality. She immediately > > brightened up - even played a bit - and started hanging around us > > instead of being in a poor mood and sleeping alone upstairs all the > > time. She still has pain but it has markedly reduced. > > > > Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am > > crossing my fingers for your new charge. > > > > Amani > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani
Thank you Amani. This was such a wonderful story. Lorrie On 05-26, Amani Oakley wrote: > I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of > cancer. The shelter where she had been staying, was closing down > and she was obviously not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had > heard of my reputation for being a sap for hard luck cases, so I > was contacted out of the blue and asked if I would take her and let > her live out her days sleeping on a comforter instead of in a > shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a while, and obtaining > her previous medical records and reviewing them, I was skeptical > that she had cancer. She wasn???t deteriorating, but she had a > whole lot of serious pain from something. Happily, after much > running around and thousands of dollars, we had her in for surgery > in March and a piece of tissue was removed (a remnant it appears, > from an infected uterus which was removed) and I was so gratified > to see the immediate change in her personality. She immediately > brightened up - even played a bit - and started hanging around us > instead of being in a poor mood and sleeping alone upstairs all the > time. She still has pain but it has markedly reduced. > > Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am > crossing my fingers for your new charge. > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
My vet never tried to talk me into euthanizing a FelV cat either. On 05-16, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > GOOD VET! > > Rachel Dagner wrote: > > When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his > > leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out > > he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots > > she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go > > outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(. > > She told me he could live three months or a long normal life > > there was just no telling. She never even said the word > > euthanize. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
GOOD VET! Rachel Dagner wrote: > When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I > took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots > for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine > because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came > back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal > life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, > wrote: > > I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, > treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if > he only had one solution. Find another vet. > > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> Hello, >> >> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, >> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are >> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no >> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my >> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said “no”! If >> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV >> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and >> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets >> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time >> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t >> really explain anything about the blood test results. I basically had to >> learn everything from reading online. For instance I did not know that >> stress can bring on a crisis. We had brought a stray into our house, and >> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that >> was high. I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus >> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of >> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it. That is >> also how I found this group online. >> >> >> >> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone >> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on >> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also >> known as Stanozolol. I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to >> ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. >> Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any >> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do >> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a >> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online >> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat >> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I >> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents. >> >> >> >> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s >> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we >> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and >> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the >> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had >> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I >> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the >> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops >> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through >> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly >> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Rachel Dagner >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol >> >> >> >> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a >> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? >> >> >> >> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you belie
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Hi Rachel Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see what I can do when she arrives. I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the necessary information to help others with FeLV cats. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul. A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Hi Rachel I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO. Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn’t appea
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, > wrote: > > I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, > treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if > he only had one solution. Find another vet. > > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> Hello, >> >> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, >> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are >> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no >> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my >> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said “no”! If >> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV >> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and >> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets >> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time >> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t >> really explain anything about the blood test results. I basically had to >> learn everything from reading online. For instance I did not know that >> stress can bring on a crisis. We had brought a stray into our house, and >> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that >> was high. I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus >> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of >> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it. That is >> also how I found this group online. >> >> >> >> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone >> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on >> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also >> known as Stanozolol. I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to >> ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. >> Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any >> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do >> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a >> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online >> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat >> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I >> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents. >> >> >> >> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s >> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we >> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and >> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the >> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had >> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I >> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the >> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops >> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through >> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly >> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Rachel Dagner >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol >> >> >> >> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a >> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? >> >> >> >> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in >> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably ma
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
I think the best thing about Felvtalk is that you get answers form many people with diffrent experiences. You get a chance to compare and make your own decision and the advice is always given in the best interet of you and your cat, not something they are selling. All you have to do is explain your problem and in a very short time, you get answers and understanding. Rachel Dagner wrote: > I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a > name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? > > Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in > and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours > worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when > you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart > and a beautiful soul. > > A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead > of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places > where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good > at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Hi Rachel > > > > I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about > > 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband > > as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I > > don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the > > boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have > > to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the > > rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to > > bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field > > of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I > > hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up > > ALL night and work all day TOO. > > > > Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it > > comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information > > about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible > > objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to > > stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end > > up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug > > to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the > > Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally > > speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad > > shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot > > of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, > > I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets > > have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will > > work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. > > > > I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of > > anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. > > Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I > > ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to > > trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want > > to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a > > skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in > > mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who > > diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at > > the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, > > and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different > > treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw > > Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered > > from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some > > daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets > > started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY > > frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who insists on not being > > convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab > > results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my > > vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other > > vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn’t appear foolish > > and out of step to them. > > > > Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if he only had one solution. Find another vet. Ardy Robertson wrote: > Hello, > > If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, > especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are > told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no > options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my > other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said “no”! If > there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV > crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and > while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets > wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was > slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really > explain anything about the blood test results. I basically had to learn > everything from reading online. For instance I did not know that stress can > bring on a crisis. We had brought a stray into our house, and she was > running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high. > I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other > cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because their > immune system can usually defend them from it. That is also how I found this > group online. > > > > It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone > marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on > it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also > known as Stanozolol. I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to > ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. > Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any > meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do > the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving > cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online easily, > would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat owners, and > eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, > they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents. > > > > If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s > treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we > eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and > it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the > time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had > started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could > be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, > waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops up and > attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through that > particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly for > very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low. > > > > Thank you, > > Ardy > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol > > > > I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a > name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? > > > > Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in > and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours > worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when > you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart > and a beautiful soul. > > > > A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead > of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places > where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good > at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: > > Hi Rachel > > > > I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about > 4:30 a.m. T
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Hello, If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said “no”! If there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really explain anything about the blood test results. I basically had to learn everything from reading online. For instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis. We had brought a stray into our house, and she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high. I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because their immune system can usually defend them from it. That is also how I found this group online. It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also known as Stanozolol. I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents. If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul. A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: Hi Rachel I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO. Rachel, w
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a beautiful soul. A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Rachel > > I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about > 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as > my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t > get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I > don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to > court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the > world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. > Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical > Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to > do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work > all day TOO. > > Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it > comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information > about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible > objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop > their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not > being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be > avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol > sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that > when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has > failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, > but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and > gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that > there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try > the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. > > I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of > anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. > Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I > ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to > trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want > to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a > skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in > mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed > him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. > However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to > take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment > modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander > improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from > what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight > between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to > suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There > is no way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced – even with > weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. Anyway, all that > to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol > saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her > comments so she doesn’t appear foolish and out of step to them. > > Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain the > Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may be the > most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once you have a > prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from your vet. Once > you have that, you can order the medication online from a compounding > pharmacy and Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her > from another state. > > I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk > with our vets, and explain to them that they are pr
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Hi Rachel I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO. Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn’t appear foolish and out of step to them. Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may be the most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once you have a prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from your vet. Once you have that, you can order the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her from another state. I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat down, why not trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage, and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that risk but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often rise with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn’t want you for a client, so remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid that outcome. I would like to think that most vets, when faced with a logical, measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would assist even if you don’t have their full support on the chosen treatment. I think that once we have some h
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Ugh! Well maybe armed with a packet from Amani and possibly a new vet... Unfortunately I think you have to have someone call it in for you, and that is the big problem with getting it. I think if I went to my vet with the information and said this is what I need to try and why, she would totally let me do it. After all, we could monitor for results and possible side effects and move to something else if needed. Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > Great idea Rachel. I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol, > as my vet is totally against it. > - > > I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer, > and having Amani defend you! > > Lorrie > > >> On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote: >> Good Morning Amani, >> >> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! >> >> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to >> get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was >> thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us >> looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have >> tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets, >> along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the >> file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try >> it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share >> their experience with other vets. >> >> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug >> dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a >> book about it. >> >> Option one sounds a little more promising though. >> >> Rachel > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
Great idea Rachel. I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol, as my vet is totally against it. - I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer, and having Amani defend you! Lorrie On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote: >Good Morning Amani, > >I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! > >I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to >get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was >thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us >looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have >tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets, >along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the >file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try >it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share >their experience with other vets. > >My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug >dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a >book about it. > >Option one sounds a little more promising though. > >Rachel > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
