Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
Are u sure you don't mean Ivermectin for demodectic mange? If so, BE VERY CAREFUL-collies & various herding breeds can carry a genetic mutation that makes giving them Ivermectin (that's the stuff in Heartgard) From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed I just had a thought...I have the Plumb Veterinary drug handbook and maybe I can find it in there. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks for all your info.(-: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: I'm not sure. I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet and is given as in-office treatments. I think it's stronger than what you bought for the collies but I'm not positive about it. "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark Twain _ From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them. Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey <mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even Fletch. What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his life. Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine. FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
I just had a thought...I have the Plumb Veterinary drug handbook and maybe I can find it in there. I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks for all your info.(-: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: > I'm not sure. I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet > and is given as in-office treatments. I think it's stronger than what you > bought for the collies but I'm not positive about it. > > > > *“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that > are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark > Twain* > > -- > From: marciabmar...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed > > > I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal > Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic > mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them. > > Thanks so much > Marcia > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson" > wrote: > > I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! > > - Original Message - > *From:* Maureen Olvey > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed > > It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more > vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about > it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, > even Fletch. > > What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell > count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from > others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for > his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't > give up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's > not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do > if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume > he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more > aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep > fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't > just say "let him die." The cat may have a flare up of something or another > and then he is fine for the rest of his life. > > Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've > taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the > vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as > FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't > heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing > them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an > opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the > cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He > had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round > of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a > half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others > that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they > wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both > cases and the cats are now fine. > > FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful > eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if > funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and > treat it. > > And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what > I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy > cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't > appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so > what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to > do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from > God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the > way I say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nic
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
I'm not sure. I was thinking the kind you use has to come from the vet and is given as in-office treatments. I think it's stronger than what you bought for the collies but I'm not positive about it. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:12:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them. Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even Fletch. What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his life. Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine. FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed Maureen I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, as far as
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
RE: NON CAT LOVERS tHANK you for stating it so well. I especially agree with the last part! Maureen Olvey wrote: > > It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets > and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. > But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even > Fletch. > > What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell > count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from > others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his > symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give > up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not > much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he > didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is > going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with > his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on > he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." > The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for > the rest of his life. > > Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken > two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet > tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV > but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal > from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But > in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to > heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. > The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and > the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later > and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. > He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in > that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover > because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the > cats are now fine. > > FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful > eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds > permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. > > And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I > normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat > (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate > God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is > wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you > can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love > is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it > nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal > loving butt! > > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > > > > > From: marciabmar...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed > > > Maureen > I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, > as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv > cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you > today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so > grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because > sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are! > Thank you Maureen. > Please take care > Marcia > > Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey > wrote: > > > > > > Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV > positive cat. Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she > tested negative as a kitten. Anyway, the two lived together for two years > until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative. I've > got a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so > far but they've all been negative. None are vaccinated against FeLV either. > It's weird. I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it. I'm glad he > didn't of course. > > One vet I talked to said that it's possible the FeLV kitty put the virus into > dorman
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
I agree totally with you Marcia! I like "perks", lol!
- Original Message -
From: Marcia Baronda
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know,
I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE
perks.
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote:
The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful. That's probably
good and bad. Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people
get to me as much. Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my
bluntness. I am a little worse when it comes to animals though. I'll tell
someone off in a heartbeat.
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!!
- Original Message -
From: Maureen Olvey
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more
vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it.
But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even
Fletch.
What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell
count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? >From hearing from
others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his
symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up.
If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that
will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have
FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die
everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment
or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor
then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." The cat may
have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his
life.
Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've
taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet
tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV
but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from
his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in
every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal
before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV
cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet
said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was
fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8
years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds
and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV.
LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine.
FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a
watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So
if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and
treat it.
And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you
what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy
cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't
appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what
exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do
whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God
and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I
say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my
animal loving butt!
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produ
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
YES – age is great! I can hardly wait to be 80 and more, then I’ll really be able to get away with more, like Sophia on Golden Girls From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful. That's probably good and bad. Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people get to me as much. Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my bluntness. I am a little worse when it comes to animals though. I'll tell someone off in a heartbeat. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain _ From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey <mailto:molvey...@hotmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even Fletch. What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his life. Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine. FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that a
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
I do have a question. Is the Immunoregulon that sells on Revival Animal Health ok to use? My Mom and I both acquired Collies that had demodectic mange and that was one of the things we used to help treat them. Thanks so much Marcia Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:47 AM, "Lynda Wilson" wrote: > I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! > - Original Message - > From: Maureen Olvey > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed > > It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets > and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. > But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even > Fletch. > > What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell > count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from > others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his > symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give > up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not > much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he > didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is > going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with > his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on > he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." > The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for > the rest of his life. > > Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken > two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet > tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV > but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal > from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But > in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to > heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. > The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and > the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later > and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. > He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in > that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover > because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the > cats are now fine. > > FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful > eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds > permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. > > And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I > normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat > (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate > God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is > wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you > can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love > is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it > nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal > loving butt! > > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > From: marciabmar...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed > > Maureen > I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, > as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv > cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you > today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so > grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because > sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are! > Thank you Maureen. > Please take care > Marcia > > Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey > wrote: > > Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV > positive cat. Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she > tested negative as a kitten. Anyway, the two lived together for two years > until she di
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting older, there ARE perks. Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: > The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful. That's probably good > and bad. Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people get > to me as much. Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my > bluntness. I am a little worse when it comes to animals though. I'll tell > someone off in a heartbeat. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed > > I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! > - Original Message - > From: Maureen Olvey > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed > > It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets > and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. > But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even > Fletch. > > What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell > count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from > others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his > symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give > up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not > much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he > didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is > going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with > his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on > he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." > The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for > the rest of his life. > > Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken > two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet > tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV > but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal > from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But > in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to > heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. > The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and > the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later > and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. > He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in > that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover > because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the > cats are now fine. > > FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful > eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds > permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. > > And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I > normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat > (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate > God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is > wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you > can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love > is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it > nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal > loving butt! > > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unc
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The older I get the less I feel the need to be tactful. That's probably good and bad. Good for me cause I don't hold things in and don't let people get to me as much. Bad for them because they have to put up with me and my bluntness. I am a little worse when it comes to animals though. I'll tell someone off in a heartbeat. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 08:47:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even Fletch. What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his life. Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine. FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed Maureen I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, as far as my adults go, but hoping.
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
I can appreciate your last paragraph, Maureen! You tell 'em girl! LOL!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even Fletch. What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his life. Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine. FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain -- From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed Maureen I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are! Thank you Maureen. Please take care Marcia Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV positive cat. Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she tested negative as a kitten. Anyway, the two lived together for two years until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative. I've got a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so far but they've all been negative. None are vaccinated against FeLV either. It's weird. I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it. I'm glad he didn't of course. One vet I t
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What's funny is that those people who give us grief usually are the ones that don't own animals. Then later when they get a pet a lot of them became the sappy animal lovers like we are. I love it when that happens. I tell people that don't like cats that it's usually because they don't own a cat. To know one is to love one (in most cases). “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:27:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed AMEN!!! I finally realized I dont owe THEM an explanation. I think every little beings life is important to that being and if I can help save that life, I will. Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:41 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even Fletch. What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for the rest of his life. Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the cats are now fine. FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal loving butt! “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed Maureen I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you today that there can definitely be
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My 1 year old just diagnosed
AMEN!!! I finally realized I dont owe THEM an explanation. I think every little beings life is important to that being and if I can help save that life, I will. Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:41 AM, Maureen Olvey wrote: > It's such a strange an unpredictable disease and it seems like the more vets > and researchers learn the more they realize that they don't know about it. > But, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel for all cats, even > Fletch. > > What have they figured out about Fletch so far? Is his white blood cell > count down or something? What's causing his weight loss? From hearing from > others on the list, even though he has FeLV you would treat him for his > symptoms as though he didn't have FeLV. What I mean by that is don't give > up. If a vet says "oh his white blood cell count is down and there's not > much that will help because he has FeLV" then ask him what he would do if he > didn't have FeLV and to treat him accordingly. Don't let a vet assume he is > going to die everytime he gets sick. You may need to be more aggressive with > his treatment or whatever because of the FeLV but keep fighting. If later on > he has a tumor then treat him for the tumor and don't just say "let him die." > The cat may have a flare up of something or another and then he is fine for > the rest of his life. > > Over the years I've been in rescue and in dealing with feral cats I've taken > two or three to the vet that had an injury or something and when the vet > tested them for FIV they were positive. Now that's not quite as bad as FeLV > but still the vets in every case said that the cat probably wouldn't heal > from his injuries because of the FIV and they recommended killing them. But > in every case I said no that I at least wanted to give them an opportunity to > heal before putting them down and in every single case the cat recovered. > The FIV cat that I have that I mentioned was that way. He had a bad URI and > the vet said he probably wouldn't get over it. One round of Clavamox later > and he was fine. Nothing to it. That was about two and a half years ago. > He was like 8 years old at the time. I remember two others that I took in > that had wounds and the vets said it was infected and they wouldn't recover > because of the FIV. LIke I said, the vet was wrong in both cases and the > cats are now fine. > > FeLV is very dangerous and you can't play with it so always keep a watchful > eye over Fletch but it's not an automatic death sentence either. So if funds > permit, find out specifically what's causing Fletch's symptoms and treat it. > > And for people that think less of cat lovers - well, I won't tell you what I > normally say to them. Something to the effect of "I'd rather be a crazy cat > (or animal in general) lover than a cold-hearted wretch who didn't appreciate > God's Creations!" Better to love too much than too little so what exactly is > wrong with caring about an animal so much that you want to do whatever you > can to save it's life. If God is Love then love comes from God and to love > is to honor God and the creation that He loves. That's the way I say it > nicely ;-) Usually after that nice speech I tell them to kiss my animal > loving butt! > > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > From: marciabmar...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:36:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 1 year old just diagnosed > > Maureen > I can't thank you enough for this email. I know i'm not out of the woods yet, > as far as my adults go, but hoping. That seems like a miracle that your fiv > cat didn't contract felv! It seems to me, that after hearing from all of you > today that there can definitely be a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm so > grateful for all of you. And I love being with people who love cats, because > sometimes we are just as misunderstood as our feline buddies are! > Thank you Maureen. > Please take care > Marcia > > Sent from my Aug 22, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Maureen Olvey > wrote: > > Not too long ago I posted that I had a FeLV positive cat mixed with an FIV > positive cat. Obviously, I didn't know the FeLV cat was positive since she > tested negative as a kitten. Anyway, the two lived together for two years > until she died and I just tested my old FIV kitty and he's negative. I've > got a houseful of my cats and fosters and I've only tested like 7 of them so > far but they've all been negative. None are vaccinated against FeLV either. > It's weird. I totally expected my FIV kitty to contract it. I'm glad he > didn't of course. > > One vet
