Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-15 Thread dlgegg
re medicating:  wouldn't it be lovely if we could talk to them and explain why 
we are doing this.  then they would not consider us the most horrible living 
creature ever and fight us so.  i have 2 like this and they both have candida 
in their ears.  i have found that sitting in a chair with a solid back, holding 
them between myself and the chair helps.  if i am pilling, sometimes they hold 
the pill in their mouth and spit it out as soon as they get away from me.  vet 
said to pill, gently stroke their throat downward to stimulate swallowing.  
they still hate me for bout 1/2 hr after.  dorlis
 Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 
 
 
     Hi Amy,
    Wolfie's HCT at 29% isn't horrible, 
 Epogen isn't
  given until the HCT drops to 20% or lower.
 
 Yeah didn't plan to start Epogen til it drops to 20 or lower.  Just trying to 
 do my research and prepare since I've never had one stop dropping once the 
 HCT starts going down.
  
 Since you already have
  the pet tinic you may as well use it up and if you need to
  continue try the nutrived ... I have had many people tell me
  their cats liked it, one girl said her cat would lick it
  right out of the syringe she used to give it to him, none of
  my cats liked it ... in fact my cats won't eat the food if I
  put it in there.  How does Wolfie do with the pet
  tinic?
 
 I've been giving it with a syringe.  He doesn't love it but he's been 
 handling the 3 meds twice daily really well.  He's my toughest cat to 
 medicate so I wasn't looking forward to it but he's really being quite 
 tolerant.
  
 
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-15 Thread dlgegg
love spay and neuter your neighbors, maybe that will amke a difference.  got 
more than a few i would love to try it on.  dorlis
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 just to chime in, have been using vitamin-b-complex for years now. if you
 are also hydrating, you can inject 3ccs into the port in the bag and just
 add it to them that way.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-15 Thread dlgegg
love spay and neuter your neighbors, maybe that will amke a difference.  got 
more than a few i would love to try it on.  dorlis
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 just to chime in, have been using vitamin-b-complex for years now. if you
 are also hydrating, you can inject 3ccs into the port in the bag and just
 add it to them that way.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-15 Thread dlgegg
may be a tiny sting, but the trick is to get them to hold still and allow you 
to stick them.  i have to that go balistic when i pick them up for meds.  they 
know what i am up to and start running when they see me.  even tried doing it 
at different times of the day.  dorlis
 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
Yes I do give my cats vit b injections, in fact I have a bottle at 
 the vets that I forgot to pick up today.  Sometimes they notice 
 sometimes they don't, it is said to sting but the tiny needle you use 
 they can barely feel and you inject such a small amount by the time they 
 notice a sting, if there is one, it is done.  My cats don't mind it at all.
 
 Get insulin needles from your local pharmacy.  I use these, Sure 
 Comfort, Insulin syringe.  I think I paid .20 or .25 cents each and I 
 usually buy a box of 100.  They come in a package of 10, with 10 
 packages to a box.:
 
 U - 100 insulin
 29 gauge 1/2 inch needle
 Super slimline needle
 
 I paid $20.00 or $25.00 dollars a box, they last forever.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-14 Thread Amy



    Hi Amy,
   Wolfie's HCT at 29% isn't horrible, 
Epogen isn't
 given until the HCT drops to 20% or lower.

Yeah didn't plan to start Epogen til it drops to 20 or lower.  Just trying to 
do my research and prepare since I've never had one stop dropping once the HCT 
starts going down.
 
Since you already have
 the pet tinic you may as well use it up and if you need to
 continue try the nutrived ... I have had many people tell me
 their cats liked it, one girl said her cat would lick it
 right out of the syringe she used to give it to him, none of
 my cats liked it ... in fact my cats won't eat the food if I
 put it in there.  How does Wolfie do with the pet
 tinic?

I've been giving it with a syringe.  He doesn't love it but he's been handling 
the 3 meds twice daily really well.  He's my toughest cat to medicate so I 
wasn't looking forward to it but he's really being quite tolerant.
 



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-13 Thread Amy

Hi Belinda,

Posting to the list because your info is always so helpful.  My vet responded 
to my e-mail and said that the B vit injections are recommended once a month 
and the iron injection only one time and that's when initially starting Epogen. 
 She was thinking of the B-vit injections along with the Epo if his HCT drops a 
lot.  If it gets better, we'd like to do the digestive panel and look for 
pancreatitis or malabsorption problems but are waiting to see how things go.  

So basically she recommended I go with the Pet-Tinic and/or the Nutrived.  She 
said I can switch to Nutrived but the levels do vary on the ingredients other 
than folic acid so it's up to me.  She wasn't recommending it because it's what 
she has but rather because it's what she found recommended most in her research 
I guess.  I have to compare the two to make sure before I order the Nutrived 
but your experience is that you'd use solely the Nutrived?  Then she said she'd 
do the doxy/pred combo and watch him closely.  If things get worse, we'll take 
him in sooner and re-evaluate.  She's leaving it up to me about the Epo/B vit 
injections if he gets worse.  What you are saying, though, is that there would 
be no harm to give Wolfie the B-vit injections now, right?  

Thanks and that should be the last of the questions for now.  This is all new 
to me so I apologize for asking so much.  I'm still researching and learning 
all about the Epogen.

Amy
--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:

 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:57 PM
 PS.  You can give the injections
 yourself.  They usually give them once a week, any
 extra vit b is peed out it is a water soluble vit and extra
 is peed out.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-13 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Hi Amy,
  Wolfie's HCT at 29% isn't horrible, Fred who I get the vit B for, his 
HCT hangs around 24% to 26%, he is CRF and some cats with CRF if they 
live long enough with it will slowly develop anemia and at some point if 
they live long enough some will eventually need Epogen.  Epogen isn't 
given until the HCT drops to 20% or lower.


Fred's HCT has been between 24% and 26% for a few years because of his 
kidney issues.  The vit b is suppose to help with keeping his appetite 
steady and with the anemia ... don't know if it really has but it hasn't 
hurt and he is 18 and has slowed way down so I figure it can't hurt.  He 
is just recently starting to not eat as well now so I am keeping a close 
eye on him and will pick up the vit b today.  I give it to the other 
cats because I figure the bottle I get will expire before I use it all 
so I may as well not waste anymore than I already will anyway and since 
it won't hurt them I figure why not.  All of my guys are getting older, 
my youngest is 8, Fred is the old man.  I don't have anymore FeLV 
positives, Bailey was my only positive guy and I lost him in 2006.


If you can afford the vit b I would go ahead with that, the Epo I would 
wait because once you start it it shouldn't be stopped and it really 
isn't needed until the HCT is below 20%, it is kind of a last resort 
treatment, you want to try and get the HCT up any and every other way 
first and use the Epogen if they aren't working.  Since you already have 
the pet tinic you may as well use it up and if you need to continue try 
the nutrived ... I have had many people tell me their cats liked it, one 
girl said her cat would lick it right out of the syringe she used to 
give it to him, none of my cats liked it ... in fact my cats won't eat 
the food if I put it in there.  How does Wolfie do with the pet tinic?


Well off to the vets to pick the vit b up.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-13 Thread Belinda Sauro
PS.  The Nutrived does contain more iron and a little more of some of 
the other ingredients, you could always buy a bottle of folic acid, I 
did that too and the capsules are tiny and you would only need a tiny 
bit of that, so you could open the capsule and sprinkle a tiny bit on 
his food, it would be such a small amount he most likely wouldn't notice 
it.  I bought mine here:


http://www.iherb.com/Folic-Acid-800-mcg-100-Capsules/208?at=0

It is pretty cheap, and you can probably get 10 to 12 doses out of one 
capsule.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-13 Thread MaryChristine
just to chime in, have been using vitamin-b-complex for years now. if you
are also hydrating, you can inject 3ccs into the port in the bag and just
add it to them that way.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-12 Thread Belinda Sauro
PS.  You can give the injections yourself.  They usually give them once 
a week, any extra vit b is peed out it is a water soluble vit and extra 
is peed out.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-12 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Be careful with the iron injections, cats don't need much iron, maybe 
go with the vit b injections and the pet tinic for now and see how he 
does with that and the pred and doxy.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections

2009-07-12 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Yes I do give my cats vit b injections, in fact I have a bottle at 
the vets that I forgot to pick up today.  Sometimes they notice 
sometimes they don't, it is said to sting but the tiny needle you use 
they can barely feel and you inject such a small amount by the time they 
notice a sting, if there is one, it is done.  My cats don't mind it at all.


Get insulin needles from your local pharmacy.  I use these, Sure 
Comfort, Insulin syringe.  I think I paid .20 or .25 cents each and I 
usually buy a box of 100.  They come in a package of 10, with 10 
packages to a box.:


U - 100 insulin
29 gauge 1/2 inch needle
Super slimline needle

I paid $20.00 or $25.00 dollars a box, they last forever.

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