Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
may be a tiny sting, but the trick is to get them to hold still and allow you to stick them. i have to that go balistic when i pick them up for meds. they know what i am up to and start running when they see me. even tried doing it at different times of the day. dorlis Belinda Sauro wrote: >Yes I do give my cats vit b injections, in fact I have a bottle at > the vets that I forgot to pick up today. Sometimes they notice > sometimes they don't, it is said to sting but the tiny needle you use > they can barely feel and you inject such a small amount by the time they > notice a sting, if there is one, it is done. My cats don't mind it at all. > > Get insulin needles from your local pharmacy. I use these, Sure > Comfort, Insulin syringe. I think I paid .20 or .25 cents each and I > usually buy a box of 100. They come in a package of 10, with 10 > packages to a box.: > > U - 100 insulin > 29 gauge 1/2 inch needle > Super slimline needle > > I paid $20.00 or $25.00 dollars a box, they last forever. > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://bemikitties.com > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
love "spay and neuter your neighbors, maybe that will amke a difference". got more than a few i would love to try it on. dorlis MaryChristine wrote: > just to chime in, have been using vitamin-b-complex for years now. if you > are also hydrating, you can inject 3ccs into the port in the bag and just > add it to them that way. > > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
love "spay and neuter your neighbors, maybe that will amke a difference". got more than a few i would love to try it on. dorlis MaryChristine wrote: > just to chime in, have been using vitamin-b-complex for years now. if you > are also hydrating, you can inject 3ccs into the port in the bag and just > add it to them that way. > > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
re medicating: wouldn't it be lovely if we could talk to them and explain why we are doing this. then they would not consider us the most horrible living creature ever and fight us so. i have 2 like this and they both have candida in their ears. i have found that sitting in a chair with a solid back, holding them between myself and the chair helps. if i am pilling, sometimes they hold the pill in their mouth and spit it out as soon as they get away from me. vet said to pill, gently stroke their throat downward to stimulate swallowing. they still hate me for bout 1/2 hr after. dorlis Amy wrote: > > > > > Hi Amy, > > Wolfie's HCT at 29% isn't horrible, > Epogen isn't > > given until the HCT drops to 20% or lower. > > Yeah didn't plan to start Epogen til it drops to 20 or lower. Just trying to > do my research and prepare since I've never had one stop dropping once the > HCT starts going down. > > Since you already have > > the pet tinic you may as well use it up and if you need to > > continue try the nutrived ... I have had many people tell me > > their cats liked it, one girl said her cat would lick it > > right out of the syringe she used to give it to him, none of > > my cats liked it ... in fact my cats won't eat the food if I > > put it in there. How does Wolfie do with the pet > > tinic? > > I've been giving it with a syringe. He doesn't love it but he's been > handling the 3 meds twice daily really well. He's my toughest cat to > medicate so I wasn't looking forward to it but he's really being quite > tolerant. > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
> Hi Amy, > Wolfie's HCT at 29% isn't horrible, Epogen isn't > given until the HCT drops to 20% or lower. Yeah didn't plan to start Epogen til it drops to 20 or lower. Just trying to do my research and prepare since I've never had one stop dropping once the HCT starts going down. Since you already have > the pet tinic you may as well use it up and if you need to > continue try the nutrived ... I have had many people tell me > their cats liked it, one girl said her cat would lick it > right out of the syringe she used to give it to him, none of > my cats liked it ... in fact my cats won't eat the food if I > put it in there. How does Wolfie do with the pet > tinic? I've been giving it with a syringe. He doesn't love it but he's been handling the 3 meds twice daily really well. He's my toughest cat to medicate so I wasn't looking forward to it but he's really being quite tolerant. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
just to chime in, have been using vitamin-b-complex for years now. if you are also hydrating, you can inject 3ccs into the port in the bag and just add it to them that way. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
PS. The Nutrived does contain more iron and a little more of some of the other ingredients, you could always buy a bottle of folic acid, I did that too and the capsules are tiny and you would only need a tiny bit of that, so you could open the capsule and sprinkle a tiny bit on his food, it would be such a small amount he most likely wouldn't notice it. I bought mine here: http://www.iherb.com/Folic-Acid-800-mcg-100-Capsules/208?at=0 It is pretty cheap, and you can probably get 10 to 12 doses out of one capsule. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
Hi Amy, Wolfie's HCT at 29% isn't horrible, Fred who I get the vit B for, his HCT hangs around 24% to 26%, he is CRF and some cats with CRF if they live long enough with it will slowly develop anemia and at some point if they live long enough some will eventually need Epogen. Epogen isn't given until the HCT drops to 20% or lower. Fred's HCT has been between 24% and 26% for a few years because of his kidney issues. The vit b is suppose to help with keeping his appetite steady and with the anemia ... don't know if it really has but it hasn't hurt and he is 18 and has slowed way down so I figure it can't hurt. He is just recently starting to not eat as well now so I am keeping a close eye on him and will pick up the vit b today. I give it to the other cats because I figure the bottle I get will expire before I use it all so I may as well not waste anymore than I already will anyway and since it won't hurt them I figure why not. All of my guys are getting older, my youngest is 8, Fred is the old man. I don't have anymore FeLV positives, Bailey was my only positive guy and I lost him in 2006. If you can afford the vit b I would go ahead with that, the Epo I would wait because once you start it it shouldn't be stopped and it really isn't needed until the HCT is below 20%, it is kind of a last resort treatment, you want to try and get the HCT up any and every other way first and use the Epogen if they aren't working. Since you already have the pet tinic you may as well use it up and if you need to continue try the nutrived ... I have had many people tell me their cats liked it, one girl said her cat would lick it right out of the syringe she used to give it to him, none of my cats liked it ... in fact my cats won't eat the food if I put it in there. How does Wolfie do with the pet tinic? Well off to the vets to pick the vit b up. Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
Hi Belinda, Posting to the list because your info is always so helpful. My vet responded to my e-mail and said that the B vit injections are recommended once a month and the iron injection only one time and that's when initially starting Epogen. She was thinking of the B-vit injections along with the Epo if his HCT drops a lot. If it gets better, we'd like to do the digestive panel and look for pancreatitis or malabsorption problems but are waiting to see how things go. So basically she recommended I go with the Pet-Tinic and/or the Nutrived. She said I can switch to Nutrived but the levels do vary on the ingredients other than folic acid so it's up to me. She wasn't recommending it because it's what she has but rather because it's what she found recommended most in her research I guess. I have to compare the two to make sure before I order the Nutrived but your experience is that you'd use solely the Nutrived? Then she said she'd do the doxy/pred combo and watch him closely. If things get worse, we'll take him in sooner and re-evaluate. She's leaving it up to me about the Epo/B vit injections if he gets worse. What you are saying, though, is that there would be no harm to give Wolfie the B-vit injections now, right? Thanks and that should be the last of the questions for now. This is all new to me so I apologize for asking so much. I'm still researching and learning all about the Epogen. Amy --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Belinda Sauro wrote: > From: Belinda Sauro > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:57 PM > PS. You can give the injections > yourself. They usually give them once a week, any > extra vit b is peed out it is a water soluble vit and extra > is peed out. > > -- > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://bemikitties.com > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
Yes I do give my cats vit b injections, in fact I have a bottle at the vets that I forgot to pick up today. Sometimes they notice sometimes they don't, it is said to sting but the tiny needle you use they can barely feel and you inject such a small amount by the time they notice a sting, if there is one, it is done. My cats don't mind it at all. Get insulin needles from your local pharmacy. I use these, Sure Comfort, Insulin syringe. I think I paid .20 or .25 cents each and I usually buy a box of 100. They come in a package of 10, with 10 packages to a box.: U - 100 insulin 29 gauge 1/2 inch needle Super slimline needle I paid $20.00 or $25.00 dollars a box, they last forever. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
PS. You can give the injections yourself. They usually give them once a week, any extra vit b is peed out it is a water soluble vit and extra is peed out. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit. B-comp/B12/Iron injections
Be careful with the iron injections, cats don't need much iron, maybe go with the vit b injections and the pet tinic for now and see how he does with that and the pred and doxy. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
