Re: Rabies wavier
I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread and cheese. I love him. The law here does NOT allow titers. There are NO waivers, from anything I can tell. I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either way. The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her. I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. The statement he made was that the pet is required to have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot. No exceptions, no exclusions. So if he were strictly following the law he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that he wouldn't do it. On 5/8/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Rabies wavier
That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the vaccination to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I told his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate. I can't stand it when they take it on themselves to decide something like that. Needless to say I will continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years. It is a shame titers aren't allowed. There are some people trying to finance a long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out at www.rabieschallengefund.com if you like. I really thought KY wasn't pet friendly. No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving there in this life time. I If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread and cheese. I love him. The law here does NOT allow titers. There are NO waivers, from anything I can tell. I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either way. The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her. I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. The statement he made was that the pet is required to have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot. No exceptions, no exclusions. So if he were strictly following the law he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that he wouldn't do it. On 5/8/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Rabies wavier
they are rabies phobic here. I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon. He called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing. On 5/9/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the vaccination to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I told his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate. I can't stand it when they take it on themselves to decide something like that. Needless to say I will continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years. It is a shame titers aren't allowed. There are some people trying to finance a long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out at www.rabieschallengefund.com if you like. I really thought KY wasn't pet friendly. No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving there in this life time. I If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread and cheese. I love him. The law here does NOT allow titers. There are NO waivers, from anything I can tell. I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either way. The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her. I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. The statement he made was that the pet is required to have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot. No exceptions, no exclusions. So if he were strictly following the law he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that he wouldn't do it. On 5/8/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com
Re: Rabies wavier
that's not just texas--more and more places in the country are just euthing raccoons on general principles now. even states where rehabbers could take them in aren't allowed to anymore.. MC On 5/9/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they are rabies phobic here. I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon. He called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing. On 5/9/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the vaccination to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I told his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate. I can't stand it when they take it on themselves to decide something like that. Needless to say I will continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years. It is a shame titers aren't allowed. There are some people trying to finance a long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out at www.rabieschallengefund.com if you like. I really thought KY wasn't pet friendly. No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving there in this life time. I If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread and cheese. I love him. The law here does NOT allow titers. There are NO waivers, from anything I can tell. I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either way. The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her. I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. The statement he made was that the pet is required to have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot. No exceptions, no exclusions. So if he were strictly following the law he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that he wouldn't do it. On 5/8/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money
Re: Rabies wavier
I can't imagine telling anyone to have a baby animal killed and its head cut off. I just could not do it. Fortunately he didn't. On 5/9/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not just texas--more and more places in the country are just euthing raccoons on general principles now. even states where rehabbers could take them in aren't allowed to anymore.. MC On 5/9/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they are rabies phobic here. I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon. He called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing. On 5/9/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the vaccination to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I told his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate. I can't stand it when they take it on themselves to decide something like that. Needless to say I will continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years. It is a shame titers aren't allowed. There are some people trying to finance a long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out at www.rabieschallengefund.com if you like. I really thought KY wasn't pet friendly. No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving there in this life time. I If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread and cheese. I love him. The law here does NOT allow titers. There are NO waivers, from anything I can tell. I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either way. The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her. I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. The statement he made was that the pet is required to have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot. No exceptions, no exclusions. So if he were strictly following the law he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that he wouldn't do it. On 5/8/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store
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Unfortunately, in addition to rabies, coons get canine distemper which many people think is rabies. When this happens in a populated area here, coons are fair game. For the sick ones, it is probably merciful but for the healthy ones it is hell. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier they are rabies phobic here. I have a friend who had a family member find a blind baby raccoon. He called all kinds of vets and they all said he had to have the raccoon killed and the head sent off to san angelo for rabies testing. On 5/9/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That verbiage is a lot more in line. I had a vet here give the vaccination to a feral cat that was recovering from a pretty serious injury after I told his wife, the tech, not to vaccinate. I can't stand it when they take it on themselves to decide something like that. Needless to say I will continue taking Dixie to Louisville to vets I have known for 20+ years. It is a shame titers aren't allowed. There are some people trying to finance a long term study of rabies vaccinations--you can check it out at www.rabieschallengefund.com if you like. I really thought KY wasn't pet friendly. No offense to your state but I don't think I'll be moving there in this life time. I If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier I know we often tell people to get new vets, but I would not change vets if someone held a gun to my head..he is better than sliced bread and cheese. I love him. The law here does NOT allow titers. There are NO waivers, from anything I can tell. I take a chance not vaccinating Missy either way. The chances of her having a bad reaction to a vaccine is much higher than me getting caught not vaccinating her. I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. The statement he made was that the pet is required to have the vaccine even if it would kill them on the spot. No exceptions, no exclusions. So if he were strictly following the law he'd probably just tell me that Missy had to be vaccinated, not that he wouldn't do it. On 5/8/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link
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I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat vaccinated. No-one can say you DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to prove you bought it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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They've thought of that. We can give FELV and FVRCP vaccines, but rabies shots must be administerd by a veterinarian (not even a vet tech...a veterinarian licensed to practice in the state of TX) or they don't count. I also cannot legally place a cat over the age of 3 months without a valid rabies shot. So even when rescues xfer cats among each other they have to take the cat to the vet for a rabies shot first. On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat vaccinated. No-one can say you DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to prove you bought it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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My dad rehabbed orphaned baby coons illegally for about 6 years in Tennessee, his vet would CALL him when one came in, and they would fake it's death on paperwork, and smuggle it to my dad's farm. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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With that in mind I think a lot of farm stores sell it too. Good thought. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat vaccinated. No-one can say you DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to prove you bought it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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I think I like your Dad, If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier My dad rehabbed orphaned baby coons illegally for about 6 years in Tennessee, his vet would CALL him when one came in, and they would fake it's death on paperwork, and smuggle it to my dad's farm. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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now most vets are afraid to do that--i have friends who just lost one because, tho they've have them for years, since it's become illegal in their state, the vets can loose their licenses. in MI, rehabbers can still take them in, but even they won't give you their vets' names ferrets, and hybrids like bengals, savannahs, etc. are illegal in some states, and there's all sorts of underground vet resources for them--it's not even that hard to find the information with a well-worded search. can't find them resources for raccoons, tho, even though they MUST exist i just REALLY don't want to see anyone lose their cats to bureaucracy because they THINK they can win--the cat will be dead long before you get to court to challenge the law, i'm afraid. look at the fda and how it's performing in the pet-food crisis: this is the government you're talking about trying to reason with! MC, the always unbiased. On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dad rehabbed orphaned baby coons illegally for about 6 years in Tennessee, his vet would CALL him when one came in, and they would fake it's death on paperwork, and smuggle it to my dad's farm. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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This is my daughter Amber with one of my dad's rehabilitated coons: http://ucat.us/AmberRaccoon.jpg I carbon copied this to the FELVOT list, so we could take this OT discussion over there. :-) Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
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Even liberal California requires vet involvement in the rabies vaccine. Even if a vet tech gives the actual injection, the vet has to oversee and verify. It's the vet's license number on the rabies certificate. Don't make assumptions where vaccines are mandated by law. You have to check the law of your jurisdicgtion. It can be so different from one state to another and even between different counties within the state. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG WRONG WRONG--in most states, unless it's been given by a licensed vet, it doesn't count. you could have the vial in your hand, and the cat is considered unvaccinated. you can BUY it, but most of the places that sell it have disclaimers about it being not having any standing in law. On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the law requires the vet to give it. The pet is required to have it regardless, which would make the responsibility fall on me. In that case, order the vaccine online, pull it up into a syringe, and squirt it down the toilet, and call the cat vaccinated. No-one can say you DIDN'T give it to the cat! You have the sales receipt to prove you bought it (you can even save the bottle and the packaging)! I think http://jefferspet.com still sells rabies vaccines. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Even here in Pa. ALL rabies vx.'s MUST be given by vet And, I know that only too well - working for vets, volunteering @ shelter. NO EXCEPTIONS! And, being (prior MVA), I was (am) a licensed vet tech. And, I also worked for vet in Maryland - same thing Sure, I can give rabies vaccine, but it doesn't count. NOT LEGAL And, even here, you can no longer buy the rabies vaccine. Just my two cents. Hugs, Patti her gang PS - Anyone else wonder why the rabies vx. charge @ vets is SO high? Thank heavens for shelter/sanctuary clinics.. They only charge no more than $5.00. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know.
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I missed the beginning of this - but my vet was completely fine with not giving the boys their 3 yr rabies shot as they never go outside AND they have an in-house waiver that parents have to sign when they choose not to give the rabies vacc for whatever reason. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 4:14:54 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
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All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Oh man Kelley, I would absolutely not take his word for that. That doesn't even make any sense, not that laws have to make sense. I would find where in writing it mandates, or stipulates that an animal, even in dire medical condition, must be subjected to rabies inoculations. You could start by calling the office that dispenses pet licenses in your area. If by some ridiculous chance that's true, the law should be changed. Maybe you could pass the info on to a local animal rights group to spearhead the effort. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know.
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and if you're in a state/locality where it is mandatory, and you do NOT have that waiver, and your cat bites someone, or a bat is found on your property, they can seize and euthanize your cats with total impunity. so i always suggest that people find out the rules where they are--and if they're travelling, those where they're travelling through. On 5/8/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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i don't think she's wrong, nina. states with higher incidences of rabies--now or in the past--don't even want to mess around. On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh man Kelley, I would absolutely not take his word for that. That doesn't even make any sense, not that laws have to make sense. I would find where in writing it mandates, or stipulates that an animal, even in dire medical condition, must be subjected to rabies inoculations. You could start by calling the office that dispenses pet licenses in your area. If by some ridiculous chance that's true, the law should be changed. Maybe you could pass the info on to a local animal rights group to spearhead the effort. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I think they can even seize and euthanize your cats IF THEY ARE VACCINATED. From http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=Rapp=9p_dir=p_rloc=p_tloc=p_ploc=pg=1p_tac=ti=25pt=1ch=169rl=30 (b) Currently vaccinated animals which have been bitten or otherwise significantly exposed to a rabid animal shall be: (1) humanely killed; or (2) if sufficient justification for preserving the animal exists, the exposed vaccinated animal shall be given a booster rabies vaccination immediately and placed in strict isolation for 45 days. On 5/8/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't think she's wrong, nina. states with higher incidences of rabies--now or in the past--don't even want to mess around. On 5/8/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh man Kelley, I would absolutely not take his word for that. That doesn't even make any sense, not that laws have to make sense. I would find where in writing it mandates, or stipulates that an animal, even in dire medical condition, must be subjected to rabies inoculations. You could start by calling the office that dispenses pet licenses in your area. If by some ridiculous chance that's true, the law should be changed. Maybe you could pass the info on to a local animal rights group to spearhead the effort. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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This varries from state to state and county to county. And Texas being Texas, this may be true. Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd get a new vet. Usually the law requires the owner to get the vaccination, not the vet to give it regardless. I'd also check with the state agency regulating vets (or, better yet, have a non-pet owning friend do the checking under his/her name). In Ky the waivers can be obtained based on a vet's statement. Titers are also accepted. And this is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Rabies wavier All I can tell you for sure is that my vet has told me the law requires him to give rabies shots even if it would kill the animal on the spot. No waivers. Now, we don't vaccinate Missy at all... On 5/8/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: It varies from state to state and county to county. I'm in northern California. Nina wrote: I'm in so cal and I've also been told that a written wavier from your vet is usually all that is required for exemption. Rabies shots are otherwise mandatory in my county. They won't even allow you the privilege of licensing an animal without proof of vaccination, or a waiver. Now, getting a vet to write that waiver has been another story. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: I posted the link to what as far as I can tell is the full body of the law. It says nothing about exceptions for medical conditions. If you can find something please let me know. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Where I am [Pa} I have rabies titers drawn, documented, etc. Since [most] of my kids are old, they do have sufficient rabies titers, and according to whatever, they have [more than] enough to NOT have to repeatedly be re-vaccinated. And, their documentation works - solves the problem. Is accepted.. And, me, working forever in rescue [Rabies whatever is a necessity], always has to 'GO BACK' for check ups. And, guess what My titer is SO high I'll probably never have to be re-booted w/ vaccine...(The high titer will probably kill me..). Just SO glad that the documentation of their rabies titer IS accepted. Any other states do this??? Just wondering Hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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In a message dated 5/8/07 6:26:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Titers are also accepted. Glad to see other states DO accept titers.. Hugs, Patti her [rabies titer] gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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please, folks, don't assume with this--FIND OUT. i called my state's department of health when they were threatening to take my cats away if the bat that i KNEW they hadn't even see tested positive for rabies. (we had had a case of rabies in my state in years at that point.) the people there were very nice--unless animal control--but there was no recourse. my cats were NOT up-to-date according to the law, and they would have to be destroyed. i couldn't quarantine them or anything--it was black and white. if you don't agree with the law, fight to change it--but don't risk your cats' lives. On 5/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/8/07 6:26:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Titers are also accepted. Glad to see other states DO accept titers.. Hugs, Patti her [rabies titer] gang -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
