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It sounds like herpes. The lysine would really help with that. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is normal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet. Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while. I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening, Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn. Welcome to ghe group. Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonya Diane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the additives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Good luck with your guy. Diane R. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has tested positive. I really do not know what this means. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can do to keep him well for as long as possible. The vet suggests Vitamin C. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time. My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing. It sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure. But I guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes it possible to go on. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having to liste
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Kathryn what Smokey is going through sounds totally like the feline herpes virus, not really related to the leukemia problem. It of course can affect animals with a comprimised immune system and stress is the biggest contributor. If he is recovering nicely from this then I would think there is great hope for him. I thought once a cat had herpes they weren't immunized against it but I was wrong. My little girl got her shot before she was turned over to us and after she recovered from her health problems. I don't honestly know if they give this to Felv positive cats as mine didn't live long enough to find out. I guess it's like a flu shot and may lessen the severity of an outbreak. I know what you're going through, the highs and the lows. It can be a totally exhausting experience emotionally. As for emergency vets I can only speak of the one we had to go to on two occasions and in both instances we came home without our cats. I don't trust them but sometimes you have no choice. Keep us updated on Snokey's health. I think we all feel we have a stake in each and everyone of these little guys. Lynne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Smokey update Hi Everyone, I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is nor mal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet. Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while. I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening, Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn. Welcome to ghe group. Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonya Diane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the addit ives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Go od luck with your guy. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that
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Ebony was an adult feral when he moved in with me. I bought a 6x6x12 chain link dog kennel, put a top (very securely) on it and attached it to the house by way of a bathroom window. He went thru a dog/cat door into duct work then onto a landing and into the kennel. He loved it all his days, had free access except when I blocked the door for some reason (really bad weather etc), and was safe. Good luck. I am glad Smokey rebounded. The emergency vets I know do treat FeLV+ cats. On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is normal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet. Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while. I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening, Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn. Welcome to ghe group. Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonya Diane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the additives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/ she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Good luck with your guy. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has tested positive. I really do not know what this means. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can do to keep him well for as long as possible. The vet suggests Vitamin C. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time. My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing. It sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure. But I guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes it possible to go on. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good though
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Any responsible vet will treat an FeLV+ kitty. One of the first things to know about this virus is that it isn't nearly as casually contagious as was first thought, though it is more readily transmittable than the other bugaboo, FIV. Unless the cat is in a position to bite other cats, or is sharing food and water with them, which is not likely in an emergency-vet situation, it's not readily transmittable. And as some on this list will attest, from letting their + kitties mingle with their negatives, even the food and drink isn't necessarily a problem. My Patches escaped his temporary confinement -- he was a 3 a.m. rescue, we lured him into our back hall, fed him, left him there blocked from the rest of the house by a 7-foot screen door, and went back to sleep...at 6 a.m. woke up to find him in our FRONT porch room 50 feet from where we'd left him, having a conversation with one of our other cats! He'd had 3 hours to get over or under that door, wander the length of the house and interact with all the cats, and partake of their grazing crunchies and water. He died 6 weeks later, but none of the others have shown a single symptom. If he had lived, we would have had the others vaccinated as an extra precaution, and let him hang out with them. As it was, we had to keep him in a room by himself while he was sick, and he really wanted to join us all, he was such a sociable little guy. That was really hard. At least we were able to give him some comfort -- when he came, he had such huge, severe mats of fur on his sides that they looked like wings. They must have hurt him horribly, he wouldn't let you touch him past his shoulders. He came to us over a 4th of July long weekend so it was a few days before we could get him to the vet, and we were able to get some of the matting off him by me distracting him and my housemate snipping at the mats practically one strand of fur at a time. (A few months later, cleaning behind some furniture in the porch room, we found another piece of "wing" that he must have rubbed off himself on the furniture.) He was also filthy, and we would pet him with damp cloths wherever he'd let us, and he cleaned up into a lovely Turkish Van. Thankfully, our vets, who don't usually do extensive grooming like this, took pity and were able to clean him up and deflea him during his exam. After that he loved being petted all over. We would gladly have kneecapped whoever left him out on his own to get into this condition, even if he had been FeLV negative! We had already socialized a near-feral cat, and it had taken months. This guy was immediately friendly and had obviously been someone's pet. Oops, I digressed a little there! But the point is that no knowledgeable vet would refuse to treat a cat on the basis of its FeLV status. It's so good that your regular vet is being so supportive. It can be really disheartening to have to look for a new vet on top of everything else. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Smokey update Hi Everyone, I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is normal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet. Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while. I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening, Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn. Welcome to ghe group. Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonya Diane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support. Othe
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Wow, Kathryn...what a rough weekend-for the both of you! It sounds like it took a while for the antibiotic to kick in for him...and that can make us completely frantic with worry, I know! I am still learning a lot about the disease process...but it sounds like he might get through this episode alright. I agree that getting him outside would be therapeuticthose enclosures are So expensive, thoughperhaps someone here has another idea? Good luck with your little guy...it's gonna be a rough ride, and your heart will be broken in the end...but you are doing a wonderful thing!Debbie (COL)"You gotta bloom where you're planted!" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Smokey updateDate: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:10:11 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everyone,I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is normal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet.Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while.I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too) most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening,Kathryn-Original Message-From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 amSubject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn. Welcome to ghe group. Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonyaDiane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support. Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount. If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step. You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the additives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats). Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign. If he/she isn't, look around for one who is. Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet. There's no way to know how long any of them will last. Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too, who only stayed with me six weeks.) What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go. Not easy, but doable. Good luck with your guy. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has tested positive. I really do not know what this means. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can do to keep him well for as long as possible. The vet suggests Vitamin C. Any information will be greatly appreciated.Sincerely,Kathryn-Original Message-From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:20 pmSubject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time. My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing. It sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure. But I guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes it possible to go on. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( Firs
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Hi Everyone, I had a real scare with Smokey over the weekend. I thought I was loosing him and I didn't even know if an emergency vet would treat him because of his disease. Do they?The good news is that I didn't need to find out, he's snapped out of it. I've been treating him for an upper respiratory problem and an eye infection. He also has ulcers on his mouth, poor boy! The little cat is a wreck, but he appears to have turned the corner. As of today, his mouth is healing, his eye isn't running and his breathing is normal. I do not want to get my hopes up too much, but I sure do want the little boy to stay with me. I can't believe how many tears I have shed for a little guy I've known less then two weeks. He's just so sweet. Is it normal for them to snap back so quickly? Is this a good sign that he might live a while? My vet says that he could live a few years and has even emailed me outdoor enclosures to look at. He was a stray and longs to be outside, so it would be nice for him to go outside once in a while. I really appreciate this site. It's wonderful to hear from people who know about this and also who understand. As with my horse, (he's a rescue, too)?most of my friends think I am nuts for taking on this little cat. Thank you for listening, Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 7:33 am Subject: Re: Welcome, Kathryn I didn't get your original email Kathryn.? Welcome to ghe group.? Is your cat showing any symptoms? How old is he? tonya Diane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You've come to a great place for information and support.? Others have much more experience with these babies, but I can tell you that diet and stress control are paramount.? If you can give your new guy (what's his name?) the best food possible and keep him as happy as possible, that's a great first step.? You can also supplement his diet with L-lysine (from natural food stores, without the additives found in the kind you find in most drugstores, which is toxic to cats).? Make sure your vet is knowledgeable on FeLV -- if he/she didn't immediately suggest euthanasia, that's a good sign.? If he/she isn't, look around for one who is.? Some people here like holistic vets, if there are some in your area, in addition to their regular vet.? ? There's no way to know how long any of them will last.? Some people here have kitties who have lived long and well with FeLV, and then there are some (like my Patches, who came to me as a stray, too,?who only stayed with me six weeks.)? What's important is to enjoy him every minute he's with you, fight the good fight together, but know when it's time to let go.? Not easy, but doable.? Good luck with your guy. ? Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I am very sorry to hear of the passing of Melina. I am new to this site and really know nothing of this terrible disease. I have recently (just bringing him home from the vets today) adopted the sweetest little boy who sadly has this virus. He showed up a few days ago as a stray. My husband and I fell in love with him and took him to the vet for shots, etc. Sadly, we were informed that he has tested positive. ? I really do not know what this means. Any information will be greatly appreciated. I especially would like to know what I can do to keep him well for as long as possible. The vet suggests Vitamin C. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Kathryn -Original Message- From: Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Melina Please add to the CLS :( I'm so saddened Sherry that Melina couldn't rally yet another time.? My heart honestly aches everytime I hear of another passing.? It sometimes makes one wonder just how much a body can endure.? But I guess the courage and trusting nature of these dear creatures makes it possible to go on. ? Lynne - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: Melina Please add to the CLS :( First of all I want to thank all of you for your prayers and good thoughts for this beautiful baby.The aweful disease was way too much for her this time.She was a VERY spunky little girl.My heart aches without her in my life.I need to keep telling myself that I gave her so much love that she was happy until the end.I will miss her little loving head butts and rubbing her sweet face on mine.Ok now the tears are coming out. :( Once again thank you all so much for having to listen to all my sadness.But I also get ALOT of goodness out of these creatures. Sherry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Fel
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>>I hate that frothing at the mouth you wrote about! No matter how many times it happens, it always freaks me out!!! Ugh. We had our Missy do that just last night, while she was still in my arms from the pilling session. Sensitive-stomach housemate goes running from the room, and I, who have let her down in a hurry, run after her with a Kleenex before the leaves a rope of goop on the furniture. Fun times!! Yes, I will be asking about transdermal next vet visit. Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Dee, Wow! What an improvement in the weight! Bless you for taking care of this little furbaby. I know he is SOO thankful for you guys! You might consider giving him probiotics to supply him with the good bacteria that the Baytril will wipe out while he is on it. I hope you get some good suggestions on pilling him. I'm not very good at it either. I hate that frothing at the mouth you wrote about! No matter how many times it happens, it always freaks me out!!! I would definitely stick to the L-lysine and Interferon to supplement him. Really good stuff-both of them! The only thing I can think of adding to that regimine would be Vitamin C. Watch the dose though. You might want to research that some. Your email made my day! Prayers going out to your little trooper! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Baytril can be given as an intermuscular injection if your not squeamish about giving shots. That is how I gave them to Buddie when she was on it. I don't know if it can be made into a transdermal gel but you could ask your vet. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Dee, I very, very strongly recommend giving him Immuno-Regulin (See articles on www.felineleukemia.org website). It helped my Patches recover from pneumonia quickly. I think I only got her 1 shot. With Ginger it took 2 to get rid of a bad URI. Others have had good results with it too. It is an intense immune stimulant. Michelle
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I'm not qualified to answer many of your questions - but I can't help but think that the significant weight gain is a very good sign. I always try to get liquid meds when I can since we have the technique down here...but as to pills, in my view - the quicker you can get the business over with - the better. There is a tool the vet gave me - a piller...long post kind of thing (about pencil length) that grips the pill and then releases it at the very back of their throat when you push the end. Pop that thing in and massage their throat so that they do swallow it down and just 'git er done'. There's just no pretty way to do it, I think...but quicker is better. Hold kitty for a minute or so afterward - don't let them bolt until you say "all done!" in a very happy and positive voice. praise them greatly and give treats. I hope so much that Smokey will continue to improve. The Acemannan worked great for Mama Kitty -- I don't know if it is back on the market since the USDA audit though... In a message dated 8/19/2006 10:07:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all, I just wanted to take a moment to send my condolences to everyone that have lost their cherished little ones. They leave their little tiny paw prints in every heart that they touch while here on this Earth. So sorry to hear of each & every one of your losses.I just wish I could do more for Smokey. When cats have this disease they can be so fragile & unpredictable. They could live for only a few days or yearsthey can tank in a matter of hours. You never know what the future holds. Soon I am hoping to update our website to include pictures of the little guy. If I can get this task completed I'll add a link later for anyone who wants to visit our website._Update_: We took him back to the vet on Tuesday, 08/15/06 for a recheck. The vet guesses he is between 2 to 3 years old. He is still too weak to vacinate for rabies,etc. or get neutured. He weighed only 4 1/2 pounds when we took him into the vet on 08/01/06. As of his last vet visit on Tuesday 08/15/06 he now weighs 7 1/2 pounds. He has gained three pounds in the 14+ days we've taken care of him! He no longer has a fever & his diarrhea has let up (except when he is taking his antibiotics). I am no longer Sub-Qing him & his 2nd dose of wormer was given to him this morning, 08/17/06. We were concerned about his fast breathing. The vet said she was worried about fluid around the lungs or in his chest. So we had blood work done & x-rays taken. The blood work had to be sent away because our local vet's machines can't read his blood properly. The vet said this can happen due to the feline leukemia. The only reading they got on his blood is that one of his liver function levels is very high, 245. I'm not sure which one but I think the high end of normal was 111. The vet diagnosed him with a slight pnuemonia due to the lungs having a fluffy cotton look to them, not clear. He is now only on one, new antibiotic, beef flavored Baytril, due to the slight pnuemonia. The vet is suppose to get back to me with his blood work results and starting him on a regiment of Interferone & L-Lysine. He is a little trooper.Has anyone else ever used this Baytril & how did you get it into your little one? I am having a heck of a time getting it into him. I'm usually a "pro" at giving cats pills but not this time. I tried mixing it in his food (canned cat food & tuna).that only worked once. I tried the old fashioned route of just popping it in his mouth. He acts like he is choking, screams, & spits it out. My last resort & the way I am getting it into him right now is: crushing the pill, putting it in a syringe, adding liquid, & squirting it into his mouth. This causes him to froth at the mouth horribly, works him up, & he runs around the room drooling everywhere. He gets so mad at me.I don't want him to feel upset every time he sees me now. I just don't know any other way to get it into him. Any ideas? I actually have to go into the vet & get more pills because I've wasted three of them.Do any of you have any suggestions on an immunity boosting regiment I can start him on in addition to or instead of the Interferone & L-Lysine, slowly at first?This is new territory for me so I really can't tell if he is doing good for his circumstances or if I should be preparing for the worst. Please send all your good vibes to Smokey right now. He needs all he can get. Thanks a bunch!~Dee
Re: Smokey Update & Condolences
baytril comes in a flavored chewable form that some cats take readily--talk to your vet about that i have persians, who are a real pain to pill because of their tiny little mouths--hard to even do the pop-the-mouth-open-shove-pill-to-back-of-throat trick cuz there's no ROOM in there whenever possible, i use the injectible meds, because they don't seem to mind that nearly as much (and i swear they get a huge kick out of making mommy chase them around the house with a loaded syringe). while not all meds come in injectible forms, baytril certainly is one that does On 8/19/06, Dee & Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First of all, I just wanted to take a moment to send my condolences to everyone that have lost their cherished little ones. They leave their little tiny paw prints in every heart that they touch while here on this Earth. So sorry to hear of each & every one of your losses. I just wish I could do more for Smokey. When cats have this disease they can be so fragile & unpredictable. They could live for only a few days or yearsthey can tank in a matter of hours. You never know what the future holds. Soon I am hoping to update our website to include pictures of the little guy. If I can get this task completed I'll add a link later for anyone who wants to visit our website. _Update_: We took him back to the vet on Tuesday, 08/15/06 for a recheck. The vet guesses he is between 2 to 3 years old. He is still too weak to vacinate for rabies,etc. or get neutured. He weighed only 4 1/2 pounds when we took him into the vet on 08/01/06. As of his last vet visit on Tuesday 08/15/06 he now weighs 7 1/2 pounds. He has gained three pounds in the 14+ days we've taken care of him! He no longer has a fever & his diarrhea has let up (except when he is taking his antibiotics). I am no longer Sub-Qing him & his 2nd dose of wormer was given to him this morning, 08/17/06. We were concerned about his fast breathing. The vet said she was worried about fluid around the lungs or in his chest. So we had blood work done & x-rays taken. The blood work had to be sent away because our local vet's machines can't read his blood properly. The vet said this can happen due to the feline leukemia. The only reading they got on his blood is that one of his liver function levels is very high, 245. I'm not sure which one but I think the high end of normal was 111. The vet diagnosed him with a slight pnuemonia due to the lungs having a fluffy cotton look to them, not clear. He is now only on one, new antibiotic, beef flavored Baytril, due to the slight pnuemonia. The vet is suppose to get back to me with his blood work results and starting him on a regiment of Interferone & L-Lysine. He is a little trooper. Has anyone else ever used this Baytril & how did you get it into your little one? I am having a heck of a time getting it into him. I'm usually a "pro" at giving cats pills but not this time. I tried mixing it in his food (canned cat food & tuna).that only worked once. I tried the old fashioned route of just popping it in his mouth. He acts like he is choking, screams, & spits it out. My last resort & the way I am getting it into him right now is: crushing the pill, putting it in a syringe, adding liquid, & squirting it into his mouth. This causes him to froth at the mouth horribly, works him up, & he runs around the room drooling everywhere. He gets so mad at me.I don't want him to feel upset every time he sees me now. I just don't know any other way to get it into him. Any ideas? I actually have to go into the vet & get more pills because I've wasted three of them. Do any of you have any suggestions on an immunity boosting regiment I can start him on in addition to or instead of the Interferone & L-Lysine, slowly at first? This is new territory for me so I really can't tell if he is doing good for his circumstances or if I should be preparing for the worst. Please send all your good vibes to Smokey right now. He needs all he can get. Thanks a bunch! ~Dee -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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He's probably getting Winstrol to stimulate his kidneys into making rbc's. It's great that he's gained weight! I don't think the interferon can hurt; in retrospect, I would have given it to Cricket had I known what I know about it now. Glad he's a happy kitty Cindy! :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just wanted to let everyone know that Smokey is > still doing good. He is still getting 2 injections > per week of equistim. He has gained some weight he > is > up to 6lbs.4oz. from 5lbs.8oz. I am still giving > him > the Pet Tinic and he has been going to the vet every > 2 > weeks to get a steroid injection. I can't remember > the name of it but it begins with a W. He is eating > great, he is playing, and he seems happy. I am > keeping > my fingers crossed. We never tried the interferon > again. Since he is doing good now should I ask the > vet about it? > > Cindy > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks. I think I will go with IV for that reason even though subQ would be easier.catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Susan, I have heard of people using it sub -q. If the cat is cooperative though I would go iv. That is a more proven protocol. tSusan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow, it would be great to find out that I can give the IR subQ.cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The vet fixed the shots for me and gave me enough for2 weeks. She doesn't call it immuno-regulin but Ican't think of the name of it but when I mentionedimmuno-regulin she said that it was the same thing. Ican look tonight and tell you tomorrow. She didn'tsay anything about IV.Cindy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One person> said she gave them sub-q, > but the bottle says it has to be IV...> Michelle> > In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. Eastern> Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > He has> had 2 shots now and she is letting me give him the> rest at home. > > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Smokey Update
was it acemannan?cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The vet fixed the shots for me and gave me enough for2 weeks. She doesn't call it immuno-regulin but Ican't think of the name of it but when I mentionedimmuno-regulin she said that it was the same thing. Ican look tonight and tell you tomorrow. She didn'tsay anything about IV.Cindy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One person> said she gave them sub-q, > but the bottle says it has to be IV...> Michelle> > In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. Eastern> Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > He has> had 2 shots now and she is letting me give him the> rest at home. > > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Susan, I have heard of people using it sub -q. If the cat is cooperative though I would go iv. That is a more proven protocol. tSusan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow, it would be great to find out that I can give the IR subQ.cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The vet fixed the shots for me and gave me enough for2 weeks. She doesn't call it immuno-regulin but Ican't think of the name of it but when I mentionedimmuno-regulin she said that it was the same thing. Ican look tonight and tell you tomorrow. She didn'tsay anything about IV.Cindy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One person> said she gave them sub-q, > but the bottle says it has to be IV...> Michelle> > In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. Eastern> Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > He has> had 2 shots now and she is letting me give him the> rest at home. > > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Wow, it would be great to find out that I can give the IR subQ.cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The vet fixed the shots for me and gave me enough for2 weeks. She doesn't call it immuno-regulin but Ican't think of the name of it but when I mentionedimmuno-regulin she said that it was the same thing. Ican look tonight and tell you tomorrow. She didn'tsay anything about IV.Cindy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One person> said she gave them sub-q, > but the bottle says it has to be IV...> Michelle> > In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. Eastern> Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > He has> had 2 shots now and she is letting me give him the> rest at home. > > > > __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Yes that is the name of it. I am just giving him an injection in the skin. I have a diabetic cat (Katie) that I have to give insulin shots. The needle sure isn't as easy to get in the skin as an insulin needle and I don't have much experience giving shots but I get it done. The other vet I was taking Smokey to didn't mention immuno-regulin to me and I am glad I took him to this new vet. I still use the old vet for all of my other kitties but I just felt like maybe they were not very good with cats with felv. Cindy --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Cindy, > > Equistim or something like that is probably what the > vet called it. It is the same thing as > ImmunoRegulin. > Is your kitty getting the IR injected into a vein > in > the arm/leg or are you just giving kitty the > injection > in the skin (like sub-Q)? > > :) > Wendy > > --- cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The vet fixed the shots for me and gave me enough > > for > > 2 weeks. She doesn't call it immuno-regulin but I > > can't think of the name of it but when I mentioned > > immuno-regulin she said that it was the same > thing. > > I > > can look tonight and tell you tomorrow. She > didn't > > say anything about IV. > > > > Cindy > > > > > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One > person > > > said she gave them sub-q, > > > but the bottle says it has to be IV... > > > Michelle > > > > > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. > Eastern > > > Standard Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > He has > > > had 2 shots now and she is letting me give him > the > > > rest at home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hey Cindy, Equistim or something like that is probably what the vet called it. It is the same thing as ImmunoRegulin. Is your kitty getting the IR injected into a vein in the arm/leg or are you just giving kitty the injection in the skin (like sub-Q)? :) Wendy --- cindy reasoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The vet fixed the shots for me and gave me enough > for > 2 weeks. She doesn't call it immuno-regulin but I > can't think of the name of it but when I mentioned > immuno-regulin she said that it was the same thing. > I > can look tonight and tell you tomorrow. She didn't > say anything about IV. > > Cindy > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One person > > said she gave them sub-q, > > but the bottle says it has to be IV... > > Michelle > > > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. Eastern > > Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > He has > > had 2 shots now and she is letting me give him the > > rest at home. > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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The vet fixed the shots for me and gave me enough for 2 weeks. She doesn't call it immuno-regulin but I can't think of the name of it but when I mentioned immuno-regulin she said that it was the same thing. I can look tonight and tell you tomorrow. She didn't say anything about IV. Cindy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One person > said she gave them sub-q, > but the bottle says it has to be IV... > Michelle > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > He has > had 2 shots now and she is letting me give him the > rest at home. > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Are you giving these shots IV or sub-q? One person said she gave them sub-q, but the bottle says it has to be IV... Michelle In a message dated 2/17/2006 9:59:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He hashad 2 shots now and she is letting me give him therest at home.
