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Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne
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Lynne - You must have been scared to death! I know I would have been. Maybe the shots will be easier on him then trying to get things down his throat. I purchase something on e-bay, I think it is called a kitty cuddler that is made to wrap a cat in to give medications. Maybe something like that would make it less stressful for BooBoo. I bought it for my Tucker because he is AWFUL with any oral meds. - gentle sweet kitty turns into evil clawing tiger. I was afraid he would hurt himself because he fights so hard, and I know he clawed me pretty well a few times. Fortunatly I have not had to give him anything since I purchased it and I do not know how well it works yet. Sue Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne
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Vet isn't in same emotional space as you are...could be the explanation. Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne
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Lynne Maybe you can give him something (if there is something) that he loves right after the dose. It would help him with the aftertaste. Can your husband help you when dosing him? When we had to dose MeMe it helped if one of us held her and petted her while the other opened her mouth and squirted it in. I can hear how discouraged you are. I just want you to know that almost a year ago I brought MeMe home with a terrible upper respiratory, swollen gums, swollen lymph nodes, giardia and diarrhea. As I am typing this she is flying around the dining room, terrorizing two Scotties who cannot keep up with her. I know that BooBoo is on his own path, and that comparisons cannot be made. It is an emotional roller coaster, but sometimes things can level off. We're thinking of you, knowing how difficult this is. Jane On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Lynne wrote: I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne
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Lynn, we had to give doxy to one of our cats last year. It can be compounded by a pharmacy to taste better. It's not cheap, and there is a short shelf life. Might be worth a try. I feel what you are going through. My thoughts are with you. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Laurie. I needed to hear that. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Vet isn't in same emotional space as you are...could be the explanation. Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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Oh DeDe it was compounded by my pharmacist, supposed to taste like chicken. Maybe I can get them to add some more flavor. It is pricey but I have the very good fortune of working across the hall from these guys and we're all friends. They only charge me cost and no dispensing fee. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Lynn, we had to give doxy to one of our cats last year. It can be compounded by a pharmacy to taste better. It's not cheap, and there is a short shelf life. Might be worth a try. I feel what you are going through. My thoughts are with you. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Laurie. I needed to hear that. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Vet isn't in same emotional space as you are...could be the explanation. Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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Jane that reminds me of when I had to give Maizee her big capsule full of meds everyday.We ended up having a routine.After she swallowed the pill for me I gave her a couple of finger dips of cool whip.She loved the stuff.When she saw me take out the bowl she would lick her chops.I miss that baby girl. Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lynne Maybe you can give him something (if there is something) that he loves right after the dose. It would help him with the aftertaste. Can your husband help you when dosing him? When we had to dose MeMe it helped if one of us held her and petted her while the other opened her mouth and squirted it in. I can hear how discouraged you are. I just want you to know that almost a year ago I brought MeMe home with a terrible upper respiratory, swollen gums, swollen lymph nodes, giardia and diarrhea. As I am typing this she is flying around the dining room, terrorizing two Scotties who cannot keep up with her. I know that BooBoo is on his own path, and that comparisons cannot be made. It is an emotional roller coaster, but sometimes things can level off. We're thinking of you, knowing how difficult this is. Jane On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Lynne wrote: I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
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You can also get some meds compounded transdermally and put them in the ear. I have one boy who hates pills and hates liquids, but ESPECIALLY pillsI've had him for 12.5 years and he runs from me when he knows I have a pillI've never seen a cat fight so hard when being pilled. Anyway it helps our relationship if I get the meds compounded transdermally so I do whenever possible. On 2/18/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a pictorial, this is closer to how I do it but I do it from the front, but basically the same. Always be calm and not stressed when pilling, Boo will pick it up if you are feeling stressed and it will affect him. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
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Here is a pictorial, this is closer to how I do it but I do it from the front, but basically the same. Always be calm and not stressed when pilling, Boo will pick it up if you are feeling stressed and it will affect him. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Lynne, I'm sorry the doxy is so hard to administer, I wouldn't worry about the injections though, just get a small needle, insulin size, I get them from my local pharmacy. I give all my guys a vitamin b once a week and none notice the needle at all, some do notice the vit b going in because I guess it can sting a bit, but even then they don't mind much, just a grouch from them but by the time they grouch at me it's over. Injections for me anyway, are the easiest way to go, if anything comes as an injectable that is my first choice, pills second. None of my guys like liquids and they aren't fooled by pill pockets. I have learned to give pills because Fred my CRF guy gets them 5 times a day and it wasn't easy at first. I finally took a deep breathe pictured in my head how the vet does and and I now do it the same way. Grab his jaw on both sides with my thumb and forefinger while my palm is across the top part of his head, then use the forefinger of my other hand to pull the bottom jaw down, put the pill as far back as I can and he usually swallows. Once you get the hang of it it is really easy to do, I always make sure he eats a few bites after and if he won't I give him a squirt of water. Here is a video that may help. http://www.felinevideos.vet.cornell.edu/pill_or_capsule/index.shtml -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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This is very helpful Belinda thanks. I'm going to try doing it this way. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Here is a pictorial, this is closer to how I do it but I do it from the front, but basically the same. Always be calm and not stressed when pilling, Boo will pick it up if you are feeling stressed and it will affect him. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Thanks for the video Belinda. How terrific. Of course that should work the same way with the syringe squirt. At the vets when he gave BooBoo the flea pill he didn't even have to hold him. He just tilted his head as you show and popped it in. He did wait a bit to see that he had swallowed it. You know, I was wondering about Vitamin B shots. We have several patients at work who get them for anemia. My vet hasn't suggested it though. Lynne - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Lynne, I'm sorry the doxy is so hard to administer, I wouldn't worry about the injections though, just get a small needle, insulin size, I get them from my local pharmacy. I give all my guys a vitamin b once a week and none notice the needle at all, some do notice the vit b going in because I guess it can sting a bit, but even then they don't mind much, just a grouch from them but by the time they grouch at me it's over. Injections for me anyway, are the easiest way to go, if anything comes as an injectable that is my first choice, pills second. None of my guys like liquids and they aren't fooled by pill pockets. I have learned to give pills because Fred my CRF guy gets them 5 times a day and it wasn't easy at first. I finally took a deep breathe pictured in my head how the vet does and and I now do it the same way. Grab his jaw on both sides with my thumb and forefinger while my palm is across the top part of his head, then use the forefinger of my other hand to pull the bottom jaw down, put the pill as far back as I can and he usually swallows. Once you get the hang of it it is really easy to do, I always make sure he eats a few bites after and if he won't I give him a squirt of water. Here is a video that may help. http://www.felinevideos.vet.cornell.edu/pill_or_capsule/index.shtml -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Fred is anemic with his CRF and the others just for GP, it can't hurt, any they don't need just gets peed out. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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I am referring to the vit b here: Fred is anemic with his CRF and the others just for GP, it can't hurt, any they don't need just gets peed out. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
