Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

There are lots of developers that consume FFMPEG and have a vested interest in its development continuing smoothly... I count myself among them. I dont think it would be hard to impanel a group (3-4) of reasonable and dispassionate people to officiate and moderate public communication. As an

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

> On May 17, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Clément Bœsch wrote: > > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:50:25PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > [...] >>1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly >> copypasted >> from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 17 May 2018 at 15:22, Clément Bœsch wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:50:25PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > [...] > > 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly > copypasted > >from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 05:50:25PM +0100, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: [...] > 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly > copypasted >from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no > doubt >be controversial. So as mentioned already in

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > I have no magic bullet sadly, which is why i didnt reply. Even lacking a solution, a public agreement that change is needed is a start, isn't it? > But if there is a consensus to enforce some CoC. Then it will

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:25:01AM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis > > wrote: > >> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > >> and perhaps

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 05/16/2018 08:06 PM, wm4 wrote: I actually don't have much of a solution to the "nobody willing to step up" problem, though, no. The offical documents should at least reflect that reality then, though. A CoC that is ignored, is not a CoC. True, in that case it's better to remove the CoC

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Wed, 16 May 2018 15:44:36 +0100 Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, James Almer wrote: > > I think the issue is not the lack of clear enforcement rules, but a lack > > of a proactive enforcer, be it a person or a body. The

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

Hi, On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis < derek.buitenh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis > wrote: > > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > > and perhaps some discussion or

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Thomas Volkert wrote: >> Maybe the solution should be something that does not require all those >> people to convene everytime there is some petty trolling going on >> again. > Yes. Suggestions welcome... >> There is a big difference between "not

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 16.05.2018 17:14, Hendrik Leppkes wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:25 PM, James Almer wrote: >> On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: >>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis >>> wrote: This is a little rambling /

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:25 PM, James Almer wrote: > On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: >> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis >> wrote: >>> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, >>> and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:25 PM, James Almer wrote: > I think the issue is not the lack of clear enforcement rules, but a lack > of a proactive enforcer, be it a person or a body. The CoC has done > nothing but give people something to say when they want to be passive >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 5/16/2018 11:07 AM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis > wrote: >> This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, >> and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal >>

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal > attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > > So, I present to you two possible options: > > 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly > copypasted >from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

tis 2018-05-15 klockan 09:10 -0400 skrev Devin Heitmueller: > > I'm leaning toward 2, but there would need to be some other way to deal > > with people not getting along. Maybe Mumble conferences where the > > involved parties get to air their feelings on whatever is at issue? I > > dunno > > I'm

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

> I'm leaning toward 2, but there would need to be some other way to deal > with people not getting along. Maybe Mumble conferences where the > involved parties get to air their feelings on whatever is at issue? I > dunno I'm not weighing in on the CoC so much as offering my experience with other

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

mån 2018-05-14 klockan 17:50 +0100 skrev Derek Buitenhuis: > Hello all. > > [...] > > So, I present to you two possible options: > > 1. Implement a formal CoC enforcement system. This has been mostly > copypasted >    from VideoLAN's, and is meant as more of a blueprint. This will no

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > We can't agree to disagree in this case, not if you seriously think that > this is an attack. Would you continue to interpret such vague events as > attacks? You gave it as an example after all. You can use the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 14 May 2018 at 19:23, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > > We can agree to disagree. There's not much point in arguing > over one specific event. This mail was not about clearing up > a specific event, but a general problem. There's not much point > in devolving into that.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 5/14/18, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: >>> Lies, Lies and Lies. >> >> >> I don't think it's a good thing to call a dev a liar based on limited >> available information. If you have doubts, you can express it as such, but >> don't assert doubts as truths. > > Hmm... there

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 5/14/2018 3:10 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > On 14 May 2018 at 18:45, Derek Buitenhuis > wrote: > >> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov >> wrote: >>> iive just noticed you joined, said hi, and you left saying you were

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

>> Lies, Lies and Lies. > > > I don't think it's a good thing to call a dev a liar based on limited > available information. If you have doubts, you can express it as such, but > don't assert doubts as truths. Hmm... there must be some reason that people continue ad hominem attacks even though we

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > That's a greeting, a welcoming back. You know, you're with friends, you get > some money together, one of you goes to the store to grab a few beers, he > comes back, "Ah, and you're back, and you bought enough

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 14 May 2018 at 18:45, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov > wrote: > > iive just noticed you joined, said hi, and you left saying you were > > attacked. Since when is a normal form of welcoming back

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

Hi, On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 5/14/18, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > > Hello all. > > > > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it.

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > iive just noticed you joined, said hi, and you left saying you were > attacked. Since when is a normal form of welcoming back considered an > attack? I agree with jamrial, you definitely overreacted. If you

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

Hello, On Mon, 14 May 2018, at 19:28, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote: > 2's a nice option. The recent llvm fiasco demonstrated the dangers of CoCs > being used by the wrong people. This is the danger with very political and very vague CoC, emphasing on "political correctness", like LLVM's

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:24 PM, James Almer wrote: > As it currently stands, the only way to enforce the CoC is with a vote, > from a committee made from a list of ~20 devs about three or so years > ago who may or may not still be active, and who may or may not even know >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 14 May 2018 at 17:50, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > Hello all. > > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, > personal > attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 5/14/2018 1:50 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > Hello all. > > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal > attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread will >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On Mon, 14 May 2018 17:50:25 +0100 Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > Hello all. > > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal > attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

On 5/14/18, Derek Buitenhuis wrote: > Hello all. > > This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, > and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal > attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then

[FFmpeg-devel] [RFC][ALT PATCHES] Code of Conduct Enforcement

Hello all. This is a little rambling / stream of thought, but take it as you will, and perhaps some discussion or change comes of it. Or, more likely, personal attacks, flames, and no change. Or 1 few will reply and then the thread will die and people will go on like it never happened. Sorry to