On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I happen to know at least two very well known choral conductors
(self-professed as Godless) who perform sacred music with their choirs
in a manner which would bring saints to tears (if one admits the
possibility of their existence in the
On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
If one accepts that the Rite of Spring is better music than Symphony
of Psalms.
Emphatically. I tend to prefer choral music, but definitely not here.
mdl
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On 14 avr. 05, at 22:57, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Lots of violin and viola passages are almost entirely above the staff.
I don't have that Beethoven Sonata in front of me, but so long as it
does not go above an A4 (i.e., three ledger lines in bass clef), my
own instinct would be to leave it in
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]
To use a real-life example (albeit one involving a different
instrument), lots of bluegrass fiddle players don't read any kind of
music notation at all, but are nonetheless more capable than most of
writing idiomatically for the violin.
[snip]
Actually they may
On Apr 14, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
While I'm not a cellist, I personally don't see much point in using
tenor clef very often in cello parts, since, as you say, bass clef is
fine up to around G4 -- at which point, why switch to tenor clef when
you're already up in the middle
On Apr 14, 2005, at 3:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Are you talking about [cello] treble clef at pitch or treble 8bassa,
the
traditional notation?
The 8bassa notation hasn't been traditional for a century and a half.
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/
On Apr 14, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Michael Cook wrote:
A basic rule to follow for cello parts is to avoid ledger lines
_below_ the staff in treble and tenor clefs: notes below the staff
look like low notes and cellists tend to automatically move to the
C-string when they see them.
I'm not at all sure
On Apr 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
8vb treble clef notation for cello is no longer used.
You mean, in modern editions.
No, he means in modern (and late Romantic) *compositions.*
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/
Well, the pacifist B. Britten was drawn to the War Requiem text to
decry the atrocities of war ... but I get your point, which is well
taken.
Dean
On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I happen to know at least two very well known
I couldn't agree more. It's as preposterous as telling someone they
shouldn't try to speak a given language because they haven't developed
their handwriting skills. My only argument is that he should do it himself
because that is the best way to learn the craft.
BTW, though I don't think of
On 15 Apr 2005, at 5:55 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
To use a real-life example (albeit one involving a different
instrument), lots of bluegrass fiddle players don't read any kind of
music notation at all, but are nonetheless more capable than most of
writing idiomatically for
On 15 Apr 2005, at 10:06 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Apr 14, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
While I'm not a cellist, I personally don't see much point in using
tenor clef very often in cello parts, since, as you say, bass clef is
fine up to around G4 -- at which point, why switch
There are some people, I suspect, who would feel
obscurely cheated if, when they finally arrived in
heaven, they found everybody else there as well.
Heaven would not be heaven unless those who reached it
could peer over the celestial parapets and watch other
unfortunates roasting
On Apr 15, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Apr 2005, at 10:06 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
As a bassoonist and composer, I never, ever, write the tenor clef,
though of course I can read it fluently. Any professional bassoonist,
cellist, or trombonist will know how to read the
Maybe it would have been more accurate to say that no great musical work
would ever be written celebrating atheism? But then Brahms had not
experienced the 20th century. I can't think of any, but wouldn't be
surprised (very).
--On Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:57 PM -0700 Mark D Lew
[EMAIL
At 4/15/2005 11:46 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Well, this isn't a howl of outrage, but I find the tenor clef useful.
If a part on bassoon, cello, or trombone sits consistently in a range
where large numbers of ledger lines can be avoided in bass clef, I
would use it.
Notice: I only know about
On 15 Apr 2005, at 12:03 PM, Carl Donsbach wrote:
Maybe it would have been more accurate to say that no great musical
work would ever be written celebrating atheism?
Randy Newman, _God's Song (That's Why I Love Mankind)_
http://tinyurl.com/7drkt
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On Apr 15, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Carl Donsbach wrote:
Maybe it would have been more accurate to say that no great musical
work would ever be written celebrating atheism? But then Brahms had
not experienced the 20th century. I can't think of any, but wouldn't
be surprised (very).
Carmina Burana?
I have found in many cases that the song title at the top of pages 2,3,etc.
clashes with chord symbols connectedto the top staff "system." Sometimes I
can move the chord symbols over, but sometimes this is not practical. It still
looks too crowded anyway.
How can I force the top system to
Fair enough, I would say.
Thanks,
Dean
On Apr 15, 2005, at 8:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are some people, I suspect, who would feel
obscurely cheated if, when they finally arrived in
heaven, they found everybody else there as well.
Heaven would not be heaven unless those who reached it
On Apr 15, 2005, at 1:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have found in many cases that the song title at the top of pages 2,3,etc. clashes with chord symbols connected to the top staff system. Sometimes I can move the chord symbols over, but sometimes this is not practical. It still looks too
I'm not saying that it's a hard and fast rule to avoid ledger lines
below the staff in treble and tenor clefs in cello parts, just a basic
rule: of course there are exceptions, as in examples such as the one
Andrew gives. Of course it's better to put in a ledger line from time
to time instead
I find that much easier to read, than, say, 8va basso. I would get
totally lost in such a situation.
So, I am wondering if this is also true of those above mentioned
instrumentalists.
As another bassoonist on the list, and contrary to Andrew, I have no
dislikes as to music written in the
Hmmm...I was wondering if Finale was about to spawn more children...
g
A
On 4/14/05 6:05 PM, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
saith:
No, I didn't mean pregnant, in case anyone was wondering. ;-)
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At 11:18 AM -0400 4/15/05, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Are you saying you make a distinction between composing music and
writing music?
Semantics, nothing more. Some people, at some times, do use them
interchangeably, yes, but probably shouldn't. Writing down, as you
say in your next sentence,
At 11:21 AM -0400 4/15/05, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 15 Apr 2005, at 10:06 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
As a bassoonist and composer, I never, ever, write the tenor clef,
though of course I can read it fluently. Any professional
bassoonist, cellist, or trombonist will know how to read the treble
At 8:10 PM +0200 4/15/05, Michael Cook wrote:
As to the idea of getting rid of tenor clef, try talking to a few
cellists and see what they say. I find that it fits perfectly to a
typical solo cello range where you basically stay most of the time
up on the A-string, occasionally rocking over to
In a message dated 15/04/2005 20:18:25 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Mozart
composed the C Minor Mass, but never quite finished writing it down.
This blurred distinction in terminology between composing and writing
should not be abandoned - from this comes the horn player's
On 15 Apr 2005 at 5:55, dhbailey wrote:
And that I think was the thrust of comments made about the
viola-composer-who-doesn't-read-alto-clef -- making up music that
sounds great on an instrument is fine, but is it really considered
writing for that instrument?
Well, I can't speak for anyone
On 15 Apr 2005 at 10:06, Andrew Stiller wrote:
In my youth, I tried to get rid of the alto clef too, but the violists
weren't having any...
I would say that this was a ridiculously stupid campaign on your
part. The alto clef is completely essential to writing for
instruments whose effective
On 15 Apr 2005 at 10:12, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Apr 14, 2005, at 3:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Are you talking about [cello] treble clef at pitch or treble 8bassa,
the traditional notation?
The 8bassa notation hasn't been traditional for a century and a half.
The cello arrangement
Okay, I think that I jinxed myself by questioning upgrading sigh
I was just sent score and parts files created in Finale 2005. Apparently there
is a format issue, so I cannot read the files in 2003. I downloaded Notepad
2005 and that will allow me to print parts (we are performing the piece
If you're on windows, MusicXML.
On 4/15/05 3:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
saith:
Okay, I think that I jinxed myself by questioning upgrading sigh
I was just sent score and parts files created in Finale 2005. Apparently
there is a format issue, so I cannot read the files in
On Apr 15, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
I've been playing trombone professionally for nearly 20 years, and
have run across 2 incidences of C-clef in all that time, both of them
in college. (Comfortable with up to 5 leger lines up, and 4 down in
bass clef - all a matter of practice -
On 15 Apr 2005 at 17:50, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Apr 15, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
How many rock bands can read at all, much less in the more arcane
clefs and keys? The very use of C-Clefs (generally only tenor and
alto, any more) is becoming more and more of an academic
I need some advise regarding the purchase of a PC laptop for my daughter
who will be a college freshman in the fall. I know nothing of the Dark
Side...so I need specific names and models to consider. Thanks...and I
hope my fellow MacMavens will not hold this against me...:-)
Christopher Smith wrote:
On Apr 15, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
I've been playing trombone professionally for nearly 20 years, and
have run across 2 incidences of C-clef in all that time, both of them
in college. (Comfortable with up to 5 leger lines up, and 4 down in
bass clef -
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 15 Apr 2005 at 17:50, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Apr 15, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
How many rock bands can read at all, much less in the more arcane
clefs and keys? The very use of C-Clefs (generally only tenor and
alto, any more) is becoming more and more
At 12:40 PM -0700 4/15/05, Carl Dershem wrote:
John Howell wrote:
No howls, just a bit of history. The original reason for using
movable clefs was to keep the music within the staff so the scribe
wouldn't have to turn his pen sideways for the ledger lines.
That's exactly how the
John Howell wrote:
No concert band player, no jazz
player, and no orchestral player below college level will ever see tenor
clef, and will stop dead and refuse to attempt reading it.
This is, perhaps, our one disagreement. Were I to find an area where I
would find reading it useful, I'd do so.
But then again, how do you celebrate the lack of something?
'Yes, We Have No Bananas
Richard Yates
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I was just sent score and parts files created in Finale 2005. Apparently
there is a format issue, so I cannot read the files in 2003. I downloaded
Notepad 2005 and that will allow me to print parts (we are performing the
piece this Sunday to a stadium crowd). So I have gotten past the initial
Richard Yates wrote:
But then again, how do you celebrate the lack of something?
'Yes, We Have No Bananas
Eeeek!
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On 16 Apr 2005, at 01:11, Richard Yates wrote:
But then again, how do you celebrate the lack of something?
'Yes, We Have No Bananas
Or: I Got Plenty o' Nuttin'?
John
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John Bell wrote:
On 16 Apr 2005, at 01:11, Richard Yates wrote:
But then again, how do you celebrate the lack of something?
'Yes, We Have No Bananas
Or: I Got Plenty o' Nuttin'?
Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'
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If I may clarify, where Richard Yates wrote:
3. Open the 2004 file in Notepad and copy the first 30 lines.
4. Open the 2005 file in Notepad and replace the first 30 lines with the
copied ones.
The Notepad he refers to here, is _NOT_ Finale Notepad, but the text
editor, Notepad shipped with
Eden - Lawrence D. wrote:
I need some advise regarding the purchase of a PC laptop for my daughter
who will be a college freshman in the fall. I know nothing of the Dark
Side...so I need specific names and models to consider.
If it were me, I'd contact the college and ask their recommendations.
At 6:09 PM -0400 4/15/05, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote:
I need some advise regarding the purchase of a PC laptop for my daughter
who will be a college freshman in the fall. I know nothing of the Dark
Side...so I need specific names and models to consider. Thanks...and I
hope my fellow MacMavens will
For instruments that are pitched so that they are most comfortable
(viola and such), C-clefs are still useful, but they are uncommon, and
becoming increasingly so with the vast majority of the music field
getting more and more simplified.
Ouch, this sounds like exactly what the world is
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