anyone else getting this (mac)?
if i start finale by by 2-clicking on the document in the finder the
prefs file doesn't load. i change pref settings (folder locations,
for e.g.), save the prefs and see that the prefs file in
User/Library/Preferences remains unchanged. if i open the app
funny how that works. wait a day and it only takes 15min... 8-)
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I want to batch format 30 music files at once, making a change in page format.
ah right, yeah finale script is the way to go. i only recently
started looking into this and find it a huge pain to understand.
what is needed is a list compiled of possible commands; the format
they have
hey any tips would be welcome. i'm trying to improve the speed of
finale and my computer, i'm on a mac mini (1.42) and will be probably
for another year or so until i get a fast new machine.
finale 2010 seems a bit more of a hog than 2008, and i really noticed
it on a recent job, a score
hey eric, thanks.
As a Mac Mini owner, the single best thing to speed up the mini is
to NOT use the internal drive. Move everything to a firewire or usb2
drive. Everything meaning the OS, apps, etc. You will have a huge
jump in speed right away. http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/ has this tip
and
where can you get this font these days? according to fontbook the
font table directory in Tamburo.suit is corrupted. i looked online,
there is info saying tamburo is a finale font, but i don't remember
it ever coming as part of the package... and it isn't in the 2010
installation disc.
if only in one doc, layout tool
On the Mac...
2009
All that I want to do is change margins.
Can't seem to find a simple explanation of loading the format to be used.
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fireplace?
or manilla envelopes is easy, don't know if they come in a format
that would help you though.you could probably make your own folders
out of thick card stock, you can buy them in large sheets, like 23x36
inches or something. a bit of string to holf them shut and you're
set.
is there anything i should know about thge differences between these
methods of generating PDFs that i don't already know? for example,
on screen i notice the OSX stafflines are thicker than when done via
acrobat (both versions print equal tihicknesses for all stafflines).
there seem to be
something not entirely clear here, i meant for the horizontal fit,
how many measures in each system by having both parts in one system.
never done anything like this, but it seems to me linked parts would
be great for this. score (2pno) and linked parts (each part). the
score gives you an
ok, yes, it did for me as well, so the problem is somewhere in
finale/acrobat... as johannes points out.
the OSX-generated docs are twice as big as the ones through acrobat,
and i have distiller set to print at 1200. i guess this is partly
because all fonts are enbedded in the OSX version,
i'm not sure where this problem comes from, maybe someone has a solution.
i (mac) sent parts to the orchestra librarian (PC) who sees
characters instead of music symbols for noteheads, clefs etc. my
distiller settings are to embed all music fonts (subset when under
100%). she sees the same
Don't you want to have Acrobat Embed all fonts rather than the subset?
i leave common fonts like times and arial out of the embed list.
although the fact that some of these fonts actually look different on
mac and pc makes me rethink this idea... initially i only
selectively embedded
am i just like really stoopid or is there really still no way to
print all parts in one go in 2010 to PDF? i have acrobat standard 7.
if i select more than one part and print, it prints them in
succession, but each new part overwrites the previous, since they are
all printed using the same
it prints all using the name of the current part. the pdf opens and
printing stops until i close the doc. then iot resumes and
overwrites with the same file name. i can trick it by moving the pdf
once it is open and then closing and renaming it, but what a pain...
what are you using to
also a substantial number of blues works, for e.g. john lee hooker -
crawlin' king snake and especially boogie chillun'
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what am i not understanding here? (2010)
tempo mark set in score, cmd-nudge to break from parts (or via
context menu). move the tempo in the score, check parts, it is still
linked and has moved like in the score.
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found a solution that seems to work, even after closing and reopening
a doc several times.
select check all staves in the score list dialogue and uncheck top
staff for the part.
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la monte young, composition 1960, #7
depending on how broad your understanding of the
chord, there is also scelsi's quattro pezzi su
una nota sola (sorry to the italian speakers), 4
movements each having a focal point of a single
tone, with microtonal and timbral variations.
and perhaps
not the whole work, but the quintessential non-harmonic section of a
larger work might be wagner's opening scoene to the rheingold. big
fat Eb mother of all chords.
yes, it is true, the part of jef's brain that allows him to read is
currently not functioning. please check back later to
i can't figure this one out (2010). i'm cleaning upo the parts of an
orch score and 2 of the 3 temp markings in the score (all stored in
the tempo marks category) are not showing on some new parts. fl1 and
2 were ok (all instr. separate staves in score), then fl3 was missing
them. i
all i have to do to get it to reppear is 2-click a measure, click on
the edit categories button, and cancel/cancel back to the score...!?!
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now expressions disappearing randomly throughout the parts. this is
getting really worrisome. i wonder sometimes just how much i should
be trusting finale anymore...
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ah fantastic, when i do get them to reappear they lose all the
positioning adjustments i amde... is it just me...?
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i seem to remember hearing somewhere that it might be related to time
sig attached expressions... i'll change them tomorrow to left barline
attached and see if that works.
This was happening to me in 2009 if I recall. But only randomly, and only
in one particular file.
It is worrying.
goddammit!! i had read the version history and not the main page,
so i thought 2.45b was the latest version. hooley,
thanks!
You need the latest version of TGTools that's compatible with expressions in
Finale 2009. Sounds like you're using an older version.
(grumblegrumblegrumblegrumblegrumblegrumble)
new version of TGTools works as expected...
fuu-cryinoutloud. man, i just finished most of the
work i needed it for ARGH!!!
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for some reason, cmd-ctl top pull up the menu isn't working, is this
a bug? i'm trying to hide score-specific titles in the parts and
what worked in 2008 is not working for me here.
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jesus christ, they took an already not-entirely-functional tool and
made it worse?!?!
how do you get around it? and any related things i might not have
come across yet?
The override key doesn't work on the contextual menus in Fin2009 and 2010.
I hate it too.
manual sez it should
The override key doesn't work on the contextual menus in Fin2009 and 2010.
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it used to be possible to click on systems and have the edit box show
the margins etc. of the selection... when i od this now, it works for
the 1st time, then it doesn't work (unless i switch tools and
back!!!), or clicking anywhere gives me the edit box for system 5?!?!
jesus, this is spectacular, i can't insert a page break wityhout
switching out of the page layout tool and giong back, if i have
edited ant system margins...
it used to be possible to click on systems and have the edit box
show the margins etc. of the selection... when i od this now, it
this is nuts. to take advantage of the categories (which i must say
i find absolutely spectacular) you can only assign an expression to
score or score and parts, and you can/t force it to appear on for
example, the top of the violin I stave in the score without creating
a new identical
man holy crap, let me add my voice to that, i am really smashing my
head against the wall here with 2010, but was able to at least work
in 2008. 2010 is seriously screwing me for an upcoming deadline.
since i am unfamiliar as i should be with 2010 i would have done this
job in 2008, if it
I've seen some crazy dynamic markings, but pf is a new one to me!
hey man, it's called new music (yuk yuk yuk)
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no jef, staff list is available through positioning section of the
categories, yeah yeah yeah. look before you scream 8-)
this is nuts. to take advantage of the categories (which i must say
i find absolutely spectacular) you can only assign an expression to
score or score and parts, and
so...
cmd-sh-h hides in all when in score or part
cmd-opt-sh-h hides in current part when in part
cmd-opt-sh-h hides in all when in score (here is the error?)
cmd-sh-h makes text hidden in all when in score if text block is hidden
cmd-sh-h does nothing when in part if text block is hidden
ah! one solution, drag the SC text off page, THEN unlink it and drag
it back onto the score page. this also solves the problem of frames
not being hidden in parts that belong to unshown text.
yeah!
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Try mousing the TG tools menu to get it to work.
nope, it don't work still. i tried different settings in the TG
options, i simply can't get this to work, but it has worked perfectly
for me up to 2008 (i never used 2009). i'm using EngraverFontSet,
and even added this in the list of
is there a repository of scripts somewhere? is anyone interested in
contributing to such a thing so that finale users can find and share
scripts? it seems to me that many users would likely use some of the
same scripts.
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when i have the finale help page open all available CPU gets gobbled
up by FF, seemingly worse than any other pages i've viewed, even with
heavy javascript.
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TGTools align dynamics doesn't work in 2010!?!?!
um... wow. that's a serious bummer, isn't it?
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shit, really? i've tried all the key combos i remember working
normally (cmd-*, cmd-opt-*, cmd-opt-minus/plus) and none work
properly, the hairpins are affected but not the dynamics.
Align Dynamic works fine in 2010, but some others don't (Transfer
Layout - an essential timesaver for
does anyone know if these exist? and what would be involved in
preparing (in finale) and playing a couple of them in concert
(playback over loudspeakers)? would a midi version constitute a new
adaptation of the work, what are the implications of this? etc. etc.
etc.
studies are published
photoshop, eraser tool (click e on keyboard) at 200% (or more)
magnification (click + shift to constrain to horizontal/vertical).
for larger sections and/or multiple areas you can also use the
marquee tool (m) and control-click (menu) to fill with white 100%:
select a region (click-drag
having used the programme extensively recently,
something like this should be possible i would
think, but someone with more experience with the
programme might know better. i didn't deal with
colour at all.
you can try to adjust things with the levels
after converting to greyscale (if
i seem to remember having come across catalogues online with rental
prices but all the catalogues i saved back when looking at this same
sort of thing are without rental prices listed... but maybe i am
remembering having access to prices through a job i had in an arts
library.
i remember
also, i have never heard of clean up charges actually being
applied, although i'm sure sometimes they are. i think the pricing
is used to encourage the body renting the parts to return them free
of markings under the threat of exorbitant clean up fees if the
publisher has to do it.
I'm trying to picture playing an orchestra piece lasting 5 hours!
Professionals would be governed by union rules requiring breaks,
except for opera orchestras which probably have different rules (and
a higher pay scale) for 5-hour operas. Amateurs, students, or
community orchestra musicians
i am about to start a project and am hoping to get some suggestions
for a programme to use for this project that can combine text and
images and allows editing to both.
the score will be scanned and dissected to make parts (it is NOT
going to be possible to do this in finale). i will need
this is an entirely unfair judgement of free or open source software
(FOSS). there is no written or unwritten law that states that FOSS
has to invent new objects (or ideas). in lilypond's case the goal
would seem to be to offer the user an alternate working space /
method to the
Look up Staff Lists in the manual.
actually i think he need to look up optimization... or the layout tool.
Can u hide staves from the display to save screen space
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Maybe so, but I thought he was simply talking about screen space
while working in Finale, not the final look on the page. I may have
misinterpreted the question.
or i did...
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Yes. However, if you have either of these:
- hairpins
this depends on the nature of your score. you can selectively hide
in SC and PTs if there are only a few problematic places. hairpins
are not the general problem johannes suggests.
- cues
i have posted a couple of times before a
Btw, is there any other serious notation software still on the
market which can compare to Finale or Sibelius?
score, if the owner ever gives in and lets someone else at the code.
the recent lng-awaited windows version was an absolute
disaster.
noteability, although development is
i had a quick look through an article on linuxsomethingorother.org
and there are a couple of apps that provide a GUI but have no idea
how sophisticated they are.
Does lilypond still have no user interface? Er, I mean, is it still
completely command-line based? I just don't see using a
well, *you* can give up (on) the thread -- i dont see any reason for
the thread itself to be given up -- or you can look up the fairly
common terms used in this thread, or you can ask the kind people on
the list what the terms mean that you don't understand, or you can
look up lilypond and
Do you recall if these GUIs run on any actual desktop OS's, er, I
mean, on something other than Linux?
don't think so, but have to admit my perusal of this has been rather
superficial, no time at the moment
Does anyone have any background on a number of notation programs
which are virtually unknown in the U.S. but seem to have dedicated
followers elsewhere, sometimes quite nationally based?
berlioz / france. is now free, owner want to make it open source and
is looking for develppers
don't know about film studio practices but there are some New Music
scores that show the same kind of treatment because specific
performers were so crucial to the first performance / recording that
the names of the performers instead of the instruments were indicated
in the score. notably,
i think this kind of competition will tell more
about the skills of individual engravers than the
programmes themselves.
how can you limit and check the control
parameters? time limitations can't be controlled
and don't take into account how much time and
effort the user has spent on
can anyone tell me if there is a difference between the two version?
i am trying to help out a frend (who has the full commercial version)
get set up with notepad but i only have the demo. are the following
things possible (i can't do with the demo)?
- pick-up measures
- time sig changes
patterson tools
click, bang, boom!
(There's probably an easier way by now, but I've been doing that for
too long to have noticed any new method!)
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i seem to remember doing it back in F2003
select the notes you want beamed, select the Patterson Beam over
Barlines PI, just give it a whirl, it's really intuitive, you may
need to adjust the settings to your liking.
Can you do it with Patterson tools in Finale 2004?
Can I do it in Patterson plugins lite?
i don't know, why don't you give it a try and let us know.
What about cross staves in TGTools?
sounds like this is a different thing, have never used it though
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It's not even on Sibelius' schedule to implement.
sibelius policy is to let you know this isn't needed by many users,
we won't implement it. but with a smile, direct from the CEOs.
finale policy is for some random techie to sometimes to deny the
problem exists until they are proven wrong
anyone know of a place to get finale notepad 2007 (freeware)? the MM
website lets me search for version 2007 but the results offer only a
fontpack update.
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forgot to mention i need the mac version.
jim, the diskmount doesn't work! i get a no mountable file systems
when i 2-click the DMG file NP2k8Mac.dmg
I have both the Windows and MAC versions of Finale Notepad 2008 on my
website if that would help. :)
any bay area people who are interested in getting together for a
drink or something i'll be at 21 grand (oakland) wed eve checking out
an improv show, starts at 8pm.
contact privately: jef chippewa j...@newmusicnotation.com
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So much for a free t-shirt :-)
stay tuned for the water bottle
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jeez, doesn't sound like they rushed it out the door at all! isn't
there usually a pre-order + rebate period?
Just today I received a postcard from MM offering the upgrade to
Fin2010 (I'm currently on '09) for $99.95 through September 18,
2009. The card DOES have a code F10U2L to use to
manual here, i haven't read it, but maybe the info is there
http://en.flossmanuals.net/audacity
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I'm so glad the paltform wars appear to be over.
don't get too excited yet, there is still to come the final
installment of the Fin-Sib war as the clans fight over who gets to
feed on the charred bodily remains of score...
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Rumors of Score's death are greatly exaggerated. :-)
perhaps, but it *is* deathly ill. imagine the last 10 years of
finale's bugs, poor implementations and general errors crammed into
and you have the new windows version of score, their ONLY upgrade in
10 years.
that is pretty much how
The biggest omissions from your list that I see are Pedal on and off
indications for piano
i have usually used articulations for this but Ped. is already in the
list (sorry, i didn't type it!!)... since we're on the subject, are
there any playback functions you assign to them at all? what
looking for your comments and input on what
should be included in a basic default file for
text expressions. also please point out any
errors in spelling or abbreviations and
capitalization. comments on point size and font
styles as well as ordering also welcome.
it doesn't have to be
because i'm lazy and don't want to do it myself 8-)
anyone have it?
or as a finale doc would be even better. i plan to make a score for
myself so i need just the notes, really.
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Please send your scores and parts for the victims of the April
earthquakes in Italy!
The Conservatory in L'Aquila, Italy was leveled in the April
earthquakes. All printed music, teaching materials and instruments
that were not personally carried out of the buildings were lost
forever. To
the cost of Score plus the learning curve -- it's quite different
from any of the Windows notation programs
the version she has of these files is not windows, a disastrous
windows version did however finally just come out. i don't know much
about it, but it may be possible to move the file
please forward at will!
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i'm starting to document (very) extended piano performance techniques
with detailed explanations of performance techniques / methods and
their resulting sound characteristics, accompanied by photo
documentation and
i have a doc that contains several page formats with various kinds of
manuscript templates on individual pages. am currently updating the
document but want to reorder some of it to keep all letter, A4,
legal, tabloid and A3 together and insert new templates at
appropriate places.
(F2008)
not entirely off-topic
Hearing Visions Sonares: a multimedia exhibit of graphic scores
http://www.mcgill.ca/library-about/events
March 21 - August 15, 2009
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kind of like seriously last minute, but any
montréalers that are free this afternoon and are
interested in this, please come by. it's what i
do in one of my other lives...
--
Veuillez faire suivre / Please forward
Lancement du Projet d'archivage Concordia (PAC) /
Launch of the Concordia
hahahahahahaha
ryan i have a water bottle with your name on it, please send me your address.
... confirming that the changes wouldn't be difficult to implement.
Hopefully we'll see a change pretty soon!
... does not equal we care about implementing them
sorry for being the eternal f*?ing
I'd much rather look at examples of engraving that I think are
attractive and readable and match *that*, instead of
looking up something in a book.
... the book being based in most cases on some form of
(mis)interpretation of said examples...
ryan, dude... neither finale nor read are
i use some extended characters for some symbols
in fonts i have developed and apparently there is
some sort of limit on what sibelius can access.
for example, i have the whole rest placed in the
(greek character sideways-M) position and it is
not accessible in sibelius.
anyone have a
andrew hath wratten:
the easiest and most direct thing is to create the text in
Finale in the first place, especially inasmuch as there is almost
nothing a commercial word processor can do that Finale's own
text engine can't do just as well.
to which david hath respondeth:
I've tried a couple of free or shareware PDF-EPS converters. The
problem is because the word doc is text, some of these converters
don't recognize it as graphics.
you can flatten (not sure that is the right term) the text in a PDF
with a professional programme so that the text is turned
as far as i can tell, if you send me a word doc and a PDF of the
output i'll test it for you. no reason why it shouldn't, illustrator
is far more powerful than word for typography
Do you know if Illustrator does Ruby Text (aka Phonetic Guides, aka furigana)?
drag enclose all the bold condensed centred numbers and then drag
them way past the bottom of the page in the part.
you can hide them which is better i think... if you change the
payout, move measures to different systems the numbers might show up
on the page.
here is what i do.
region 1
adjustments and hairpin widths are the two most obvious.
Actually, the latter is the one that really shocks me somewhat. Even
if I still have to keep two files in the end production process I
would still very much welcome completely independently adjustable
hairpins.
where needed i add a
But but...they have T-Shirts man! Come on!
so what? they don't have water bottles, do they?
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you know, as soon i see the subject line linked parts i get shivers
and stomach cramps. before you do anything in your score:
1. complain about insufficient and incomplete implemention of the
linked parts feature to the powers-that-be (check the list archives
if you need clarifications for
is the CEO responsible for these problems you have articulated? has
he contributed to the improvement or decline of the company or to the
product (i assume you are referring to finale) in your view? or is
he honestly dedicated to the product but bailing ship because of an
unresolvable
expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1.
but robert sez they are no longer note-attached. how does this work
if they are not note-attached?
This, in addition to the knowledge that you can still have an
expression stick to the beat originally assigned by holding
Leave the spacing until you get all the articulations (etc.)
attached because you often can't reach into the material that
overrides the barline.
there is a much more time-consuming way but that spaces perfectly
with no fussing and allows the system split to happen in the middle
of the
Now, guys who prepare music for a living like Darcy and jef chippewa
probably know this stuff like the back of their hands and more.
Whether there is actual research to back it up, well, who knows?
musicians don't read, you have to draw pictures for the bastards.
seriously though (not that
I forgot to reply to this. I have pretty much given up trying to
find a font family that looks like the different point sizes were
drawn with the same pen. All fonts I see get thicker when they get
bigger. I would love a matched set from 9 points to 36 points that
look like they have the
Christopher Smith wrote:
Maybe musicians read musical notation more easily than they read
text indications. I noticed later that the marking stacc. was
largely ignored on the first reading (sight reading, of course, as
prepared parts in an orchestral context would most likely have been
Did anyone besides me notice that Jef's fingers
manage to find the shift-key for German but
never for English? What's up with that?
shit... busted. verdammte Scheiße.
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