At 11:01 AM -0500 12/18/10, Christopher Smith wrote:
Wouldn't iPads be substantially heavier than an average choral
folder, and more likely to be dropped? All the choirs I see have at
least one folder drop per rehearsal/concert.
I haven't handled one, so I don't know. And of course if a folde
The iPad definitely is a blast! :-)
David H. Bailey
On 12/19/2010 11:45 AM, Allen Fisher wrote:
You know, I thought about that, but my book is pretty heavy for this group (we
have 50+ winter/xmas/holiday songs that we do) so at least for my purposes it
will be about the same
I thought abou
You know, I thought about that, but my book is pretty heavy for this group (we
have 50+ winter/xmas/holiday songs that we do) so at least for my purposes it
will be about the same
I thought about the dropping issue too, and there are some options out there
for protecting the pad if dropped tha
On 12/18/2010 11:01 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
Wouldn't iPads be substantially heavier than an average choral folder, and more
likely to be dropped? All the choirs I see have at least one folder drop per
rehearsal/concert.
Nothing is going to prevent clumsy people from being clumsy.
I've
On 12/18/2010 10:54 AM, Allen Fisher wrote:
I am actually looking at setting this up for myself, as part of a
small group that I sing with. Since it's choral scores, the iPad's
about the right size to display a page.
I was also considering making an app that could take PDF files with a
more musi
Wouldn't iPads be substantially heavier than an average choral folder, and more
likely to be dropped? All the choirs I see have at least one folder drop per
rehearsal/concert.
Christopher
On Sat Dec 18, at SaturdayDec 18 10:54 AM, Allen Fisher wrote:
> I am actually looking at setting this up
I am actually looking at setting this up for myself, as part of a small group
that I sing with. Since it's choral scores, the iPad's about the right size to
display a page.
I was also considering making an app that could take PDF files with a more
musician-friendly interface for turning pages (
On 9-Dec-10, at 9-Dec-10 9:24 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 7:57 PM -0500 12/9/10, Christopher Smith wrote:
But what was your point about comparing my arranging rate with
union (yes) musicians' salaries? I would use that as a point for
comparison, yes. I earned $1500 for that gig, and the pa
On Dec 9, 2010, at 6:24 PM, John Howell wrote:
>
> Has the union ever actually set rates for arranging? I've never been aware
> of it, but of course any union scale would only be a MINIMUM figure, and no
> good arrangers whose work is in demand would settle for that.
What fantasy world are w
At 7:57 PM -0500 12/9/10, Christopher Smith wrote:
But what was your point about comparing my arranging rate with union
(yes) musicians' salaries? I would use that as a point for
comparison, yes. I earned $1500 for that gig, and the part that paid
$1000 took a heck of a lot more than twice as
On 9 Dec 2010 at 10:34, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> But seriously, tech support for an iPad?
Yes, of course, if you're talking about an entire ensemble using
them, as opposed to an individual musician.
Just as an orchestra needs a music librarian, electronic music stands
of whatever form (iPad or
At 2:30 PM -0800 12/9/10, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
On Dec 9, 2010, at 1:54 PM, John Howell wrote:
>
Item: Time spent "stuffing" the iPads
compared with time to stuff the orchestra
folders. They'd have to be done one at a time
if there is no networking, and if there IS
networking the number o
On Thu Dec 9, at ThursdayDec 9 7:07 PM, John Howell wrote:
> At 4:18 PM -0500 12/9/10, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> Yeah, I just had a little discussion with a client hiring the orchestra I
>> play with. They wanted a local anthem arranged (7 minutes long, fer the love
>> of Pete!) for full orch
At 1:35 PM -0800 12/9/10, Chuck Israels wrote:
On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Exactlyand since the sound system and the wireless mic system
never really works it makes me wonder such as well..
In my experience, sound systems rarely work as advertised to solve prob
At 4:18 PM -0500 12/9/10, Christopher Smith wrote:
Yeah, I just had a little discussion with a client hiring the
orchestra I play with. They wanted a local anthem arranged (7
minutes long, fer the love of Pete!) for full orchestra and 4
singers, and wanted to pay $300 for it! I asked $1000 and
Well, it is the community center.they have all kinds of money to throw
around...
My tax dollars being flushed away...
On Dec 9, 2010, at 3:07 PM, John Howell wrote:
> Ah, but he said "the communities," not the "community orchestras." Your tax
> dollars at work!
>
> John
At 12:59 PM -0800 12/9/10, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Exactlyand since the sound system and the wireless mic system
never really works it makes me wonder such as well..
They work just fine if they are well selected and well cared for, and
run by competent technicians who know what they're d
At 2:35 PM -0600 12/9/10, Robert Patterson wrote:
Lucky community orchestras!!! (But I have to say, as a musician I'd be
wondering how they could afford a 150K sound system but couldn't afford to
pay me!)
Ah, but he said "the communities," not the "community orchestras."
Your tax dollars at wo
Yup, don't you love the economy and stuff..
On Dec 9, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Yeah, I just had a little discussion with a client hiring the orchestra I
> play with. They wanted a local anthem arranged (7 minutes long, fer the love
> of Pete!) for full orchestra and 4 s
Well, I'm already seeing small groups use the iPad.perhaps not for a big
group. I didn't even consider the Stand Partner thing
On Dec 9, 2010, at 2:06 PM, John Howell wrote:
> Oh? For a community orchestra like ours, that has an annual budget barely
> distinguishable from zero? No
On Dec 9, 2010, at 1:54 PM, John Howell wrote:
>>
> OK, maybe I've just produced too many concerts and shows, and had to learn to
> read between the lines to anticipate the problems that MIGHT come up or WOULD
> come up.
>
> Item: Time spent "stuffing" the iPads compared with time to stuff t
Yeah, I just had a little discussion with a client hiring the orchestra I play
with. They wanted a local anthem arranged (7 minutes long, fer the love of
Pete!) for full orchestra and 4 singers, and wanted to pay $300 for it! I asked
$1000 and told them that it would be twice that (at least) und
Oh? For a community orchestra like ours, that has an annual budget
barely distinguishable from zero? Not likely. And just to mention
it in passing, community orchestras also tend to have a number of
older members whose eyesight is not that of a 20-year-old any more.
Yes, I'm playing devil's
At 10:34 AM -0800 12/9/10, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
But seriously, tech support for an iPad? I
mean...really? If the orchestra's librarian
is on top of it, they would have them charged
and loaded with a playlist of all the songs for
the concert.
OK, maybe I've just produced too many c
On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> Exactlyand since the sound system and the wireless mic system never
> really works it makes me wonder such as well..
In my experience, sound systems rarely work as advertised to solve problems
(outdoor venues excepted). It has also
Exactlyand since the sound system and the wireless mic system never really
works it makes me wonder such as well..
On Dec 9, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Lucky community orchestras!!! (But I have to say, as a musician I'd be
> wondering how they could afford a 150K sound
Lucky community orchestras!!! (But I have to say, as a musician I'd be
wondering how they could afford a 150K sound system but couldn't afford to
pay me!)
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> Hmm, the communities around where I live can blow money on things like a
> Meyer soun
Hmm, the communities around where I live can blow money on things like a Meyer
sound system ($150K) for their little theater..so iPads would be a little
bump for them..
On Dec 9, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Most community orchestras I know don't even own their own Manh
I was in attendance at a Sacramento Symphony concert years ago when,
in the middle of Beethoven's 6th (Mvt. 2 I think), every light in
the hall went out. The orchestra just kept playing until even those
with excellent memories couldn't go on. It was one of the most
magnificent decrescendo
Most community orchestras I know don't even own their own Manhassetts, much
less being able to aford to provide iPads to the members.
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> Perhaps not for an entrenched organization like Philly Orchestra, but for
> community Orchestras maybe. To
Perhaps not for an entrenched organization like Philly Orchestra, but for
community Orchestras maybe. Totally for smaller groups.
On Dec 9, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Are you seriously proposing an iPad for, e.g., the Philadelphia Orchestra?
> Have you ever read the MOLA guide
Are you seriously proposing an iPad for, e.g., the Philadelphia Orchestra?
Have you ever read the MOLA guidelines for part sizes?
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> See, if you had iPad's you could have saved the show.
>
> But seriously, tech support for an iPad? I mean.
In my experience, network issues are far more likely than power outages, and
they tend to take longer and require higher-paid technicians to resolve. But
by the time music-stand technology is affordable for an orchestra, it is
quite possible that network technology will be as robust as power. My po
See, if you had iPad's you could have saved the show.
But seriously, tech support for an iPad? I mean...really? If the
orchestra's librarian is on top of it, they would have them charged and loaded
with a playlist of all the songs for the concert.
Maybe the addition of a foot pedal
At 10:01 AM -0600 12/9/10, Robert Patterson wrote:
Another consideration for a group like an orchestra is, with everything else
that can go wrong, do you really want to add network tech. support to your
list of headaches when every minute of network outage during a rehearsal
could cost you hundre
Seriously? Tech support? For an iPad? What, is it going to get a
virus? People aren't going to figure out how to touch it and get it to
work right?
I mean,other than keeping it charged..there isn't a whole lot that
requires "tech" support
Sent from my iSomething
On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:01 AM, R
There are quite a few people, including myself, who would disagree.
Have you even tried using an iPad or are you proclaiming all this from
you comfy armchair?
Seriously, the iPad works great as a electric music stand, and if you
have a page turning foot pedal (I don't yet but soon) it is even
bett
Another consideration for a group like an orchestra is, with everything else
that can go wrong, do you really want to add network tech. support to your
list of headaches when every minute of network outage during a rehearsal
could cost you hundreds of dollars?
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:46 AM, John
At 7:15 AM -0800 12/8/10, Chuck Israels wrote:
Dear David,
I have seen no discussion of this, but one is certainly due. iPad
size is an issue for me. I don't like a music stand right in my
face, and the iPad does need to be closer than the 9.5 x 12.5 parts
I print. I have seen a player her
It works perfect as a music display. Ive been scanning books and
converting all kinds of stuff into PDF format for it.
Now I just need to get the page turning foot pedal thing and I'll be set.
Sent from my iSomething
On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:31 AM, "David H. Bailey"
wrote:
> I can't recall if
Dear David,
I have seen no discussion of this, but one is certainly due. iPad size is an
issue for me. I don't like a music stand right in my face, and the iPad does
need to be closer than the 9.5 x 12.5 parts I print. I have seen a player here
in Portland use one for reading lead sheets and
I tried the with a simple PDF reader called CloudReader for a conduction
seminar. Obviously this gave me no way to add eyeglasses or what have you. I
would rate the experience as B-, and if I do it again I'll go ahead and
print out the materials.
A big issue is how fast the pages turn. I chose Clo
I can't recall if this has been discussed on tpin or not (but then again
I can't even remember what I had for dinner last night) so I thought I
would ask if anybody is using an iPad as an electronic music stand.
I've looked into the dedicated Freehand MusicPadPro but am also
considering the iP
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