Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Mar 2005 at 23:00, d. collins wrote: > David W. Fenton écrit: > >I'm not sure I understand how they think they can get away with this > >-- don't *all* professional engravers and composers and anyone > >providing camera-ready copy to publishers (you never do that on paper > >any more, right?

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-26 Thread Richard Yates
> I'm raising the issue of TIFFs precisely because they are > unsatisfactory, and because the only other possibility, EPS, is broken > and officially acknowledged as such by MM. It's been broken for at > least five years now. And probably will never get fixed, because not > enough of us are irked b

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-26 Thread David W. Fenton
On 26 Mar 2005 at 9:29, d. collins wrote: > David W. Fenton écrit: > >Why are you raising the issue of TIFFs if you find them so > >unsatisfactory? If they don't work for you, they don't work, so why > >worry about them? > > I'm raising the issue of TIFFs precisely because they are > unsatisfacto

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 Mar 2005 at 8:32, d. collins wrote: > With TIFF, I'd have to worry about the > printer's resolution and scaling, and not have any way of testing > anything. I have scores here published by major publishers, and I can > see in the introductions, for instance, that musical examples have > bee

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-25 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:22 PM 3/24/05 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: >The liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s >obsoleted the Liber Usualis, since it reflected the Tridentine Rite, >which was different from the new rite. The official chant book of the >new rite is the Graduale Romanum, a r

RE: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Jim Mays
--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Howell Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:20 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian At 4:12 PM -0500 3/24/05, David W. Fenton wrote: > >I would caution anyone who is not already accustomed to notating >Greg

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Mar 2005 at 20:42, d. collins wrote: > A-NO-NE Music écrit: > > >Along this thread, I have been wondering. > >I do fair amount of CD cover design and magazine add design, and no > >print shop has asked for anything but TIFF last couple years. I > >understand if publisher wants EPS file of

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Mar 2005 at 13:46, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > d. collins / 05.3.24 / 00:46 PM wrote: > > >Even a very high resolution TIFF doesn't give professional looking > >results. Don't any other Windows user ever insert graphics? > > Along this thread, I have been wondering. > I do fair amount of CD cov

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Mar 2005 at 18:46, d. collins wrote: > Even a very high resolution TIFF doesn't give professional looking > results. Don't any other Windows user ever insert graphics? Some questions: - what are you inserting it *into*? - what resolution are you exporting at? Microsoft products (Word, es

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread John Howell
At 4:12 PM -0500 3/24/05, David W. Fenton wrote: I would caution anyone who is not already accustomed to notating Gregorian (Solesmes) notation and has not direct model to copy from to use modern notation. I would agree. In one instance I used the St. Meinrad fonts to reverse-engineer a modern ed

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread John Howell
At 5:29 PM +0100 3/24/05, d. collins wrote: Noel Stoutenburg écrit: My first chant tutor, as it were, was the introduction from the Liber Usualis, the beginning of which provides a good basic framework of information. That's the first place I'd go to advise finding more information. Though i

[Finale] Re: Gregorian Chant - Liber Usualis

2005-03-24 Thread m_lawlor
If you have a well stocked local University (with music dept.) they ought to have a copy of the Liber Usualis (hopefully with English rubrics). They may also have other chant books. Additionally you may be interested in Western Plainchant: a handbook by David Hiley. This is a large, detailed b

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Mar 2005 at 11:58, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 11:29 AM 3/24/05 -0500, Guy wrote: > >In my experience copies of the "Liber Usualis" are hard to come by. > > I didn't know that. They're no longer publisher? I have mine from some > 35 years ago, but never checked to find an updated copy

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Mar 2005 at 11:29, Guy Hayden wrote: > In my experience copies of the "Liber Usualis" are hard to come by. I > have two. One I found in a used book store in Berkeley, CA. That > one cost me $40 about 25 years ago. The other (without the cover) was > given to me from an estate. This is

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Mar 2005 at 9:15, John Howell wrote: > At 1:27 PM +0100 3/24/05, d. collins wrote: > > > >(But then, knowing nothing about Gregorian, I'm wondering if there > >are any sites explaining the basics of this notation. I have the > >unpleasant feeling of transcribring a language I don't understan

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread A-NO-NE Music
d. collins / 05.3.24 / 00:46 PM wrote: >Even a very high resolution TIFF doesn't give professional looking results. >Don't any other Windows user ever insert graphics? Along this thread, I have been wondering. I do fair amount of CD cover design and magazine add design, and no print shop has ask

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 11:29 AM 3/24/05 -0500, Guy wrote: In my experience copies of the "Liber Usualis" are hard to come by. I didn't know that. They're no longer publisher? Not in the large form, though I expect a new one will be forthcoming. The Liber Usualis is the Tridentine

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Guy Hayden wrote: I did not catch that Dennis is in France. Finding a copy with the English translation may be very difficult! Well, I had assumed from the ".fr" suffix of his email address that he is; he may not be, and he may not be as fluent in French as I assume either. [Dennis, sorry to be

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Guy Hayden
I did not catch that Dennis is in France. Finding a copy with the English translation may be very difficult! Guy Hayden - Original Message - From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian W

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:29 AM 3/24/05 -0500, Guy wrote: >In my experience copies of the "Liber Usualis" are hard to come by. I didn't know that. They're no longer publisher? I have mine from some 35 years ago, but never checked to find an updated copy after the movable feast years ran out. :) Dennis ___

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Guy Hayden wrote: In my experience copies of the "Liber Usualis" are hard to come by. I have two. One I found in a used book store in Berkeley, CA. That one cost me $40 about 25 years ago. The other (without the cover) was given to me from an estate. Which is what I'd expect; however, Denni

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Guy Hayden
rom: "Noel Stoutenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian d. collins wrote: (But then, knowing nothing about Gregorian, I'm wondering if there are any sites explaining the basics of this notation. I have the unple

Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
d. collins wrote: (But then, knowing nothing about Gregorian, I'm wondering if there are any sites explaining the basics of this notation. I have the unpleasant feeling of transcribring a language I don't understand.) My first chant tutor, as it were, was the introduction from the Liber Usualis,

[Finale] Re: Gregorian

2005-03-24 Thread John Howell
At 1:27 PM +0100 3/24/05, d. collins wrote: (But then, knowing nothing about Gregorian, I'm wondering if there are any sites explaining the basics of this notation. I have the unpleasant feeling of transcribring a language I don't understand.) In this case the basics aren't nearly enough. The de