Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
I doubt that. The problem was only apparent when the measure in question was in a particular layout situation. Moving measures arround from system to system would make the problem go away, while the beat chart shouldn't change. The problem only shows in page view. For what it's worth I haven't seen the problem for a while, but this may well be a coincident. The fix to apply TGTools expand with a setting of 0 was my solution as well. Johannes Jari Williamsson wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote: Sometimes I have two identical measures in a row, and Finale spaces one correctly and not the other. If it's not caused by missing a layout update or some other basic thing, you should easily see what's going on by comparing the numerical values in the beat chart. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Condensed Lyric Font
Apologies for the late response to this. I've also had difficulties relating font names to the 'proper' font name, and found this web site useful: http://fontinfo.net/Font_Analog.html Michael Withers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noel Stoutenburg Sent: 25 February 2005 07:07 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Condensed Lyric Font Darcy wrote, about looking for a condensed font for use in lyrics: This is something I've been looking for, too, and for that reason, collecting collections of fonts. I've found a few promising examples on the Broderbund Click Art Fonts 2 disk, and several more on the disk 4000 fonts, from www.topics-ent.com. A drawback to both of these sources is that while they may or may not be closely related to existing digital fonts, one cannot tell by the names. Also, the font families seem to be small in these sources, so you may have a regular and condensed width, but not a wide one. Another factor on the upside, is that while these are commercial products, they are not expensive; I think I paid $4.99 USD for the 4000 fonts disk, and about twenty or thirty for the Broderbund disk. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
Aaron, If you have a file where this is reproducable, you could send it to me and I'll check whether it still happens in 2k5 (I haven't seen the problem for a while, but I don't have a bug file of it at hand). Johannes Aaron Sherber wrote: Hi all, Every now and then I come upon a measure that Finale just flat out spaces incorrectly. Most often it's either a short note placed too close to its neighbor (so that flags collide with things), or accidentals which are completely ignored in spacing. Sometimes I have two identical measures in a row, and Finale spaces one correctly and not the other. Someone suggested (it may have been Jari or Johannes) that one workaround for this is to use TGTools to insert and remove a small amount of space into the measure. I have found that it even works to use TGTools to insert *0* EVPU at the begining of the measure -- the measure width is not affected at all, but suddenly things are spaced correctly. Can anyone with a better understanding of Finale's inner workings shed some light on (a) what is getting screwed up, (b) how this seemingly unrelated TGTools operations fixes things, and (c) why Coda can't fix this? I'm on Finale 2004b, by the way, so I'd also be interested in knowing whether this is fixed in 2005. Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Bass Trom
Just watched a pay-TV programme of a concert called Bocelli Statue of Liberty Concert, from NJ Liberty State Park, featuring Bocelli (obviously), two sopranos-, one of whom (long hair) had the most grating portamente ever, and the New Jersey Symph. No date was given, but I suspect about 2000. yes, folks TV programmes really are up to date here in OZ. Anyway- my question. It could have been a trick of perspective, but I think not. Looking from over the conductors shoulder, one could see what appeared to be a massive Bass Trombone. The final curve appeared to have a width of about a foot! Never saw, or heard it played, but Im sure I saw it correctly. Anyone shed any light on this huge horn? What was it used in? What is it pitched in? Triggers? Valves? It appeared to be a sit-down only model. Puzzled, Cheers, Keith in OZ. Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT Low B on bass
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Smith writes: Huh? As far as I know, a LOWER fifth string is overwhelmingly tuned to B it's usually the 4th string that goes to low C with an extension or alternate tuning. A HIGHER 5th string is usually tuned to high C (written middle C). Did I misunderstand? What you describe is consistent with my experience, but others differ. An earlier poster described 5th string tuned to C as standard in Europe (which I doubt, but it may well be so in where he lives) and Blatter (Instrumentation and Orchestration) makes the same suggestion. -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bass Trom
Hi Keith, There is such a thing as a contrabass trombone. One of the players in Maria Schneider's band plays it on her new record, so I suspect that's what you saw. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 3:44 AM, Keith Helgesen wrote: Just watched a pay-TV programme of a concert called Bocelli Statue of Liberty Concert, from NJ Liberty State Park, featuring Bocelli (obviously), two sopranos-, one of whom (long hair) had the most grating portamente ever, and the New Jersey Symph. No date was given, but I suspect about 2000. yes, folks TV programmes really are up to date here in OZ. Anyway- my question. It could have been a trick of perspective, but I think not. Looking from over the conductors shoulder, one could see what appeared to be a massive Bass Trombone. The final curve appeared to have a width of about a foot! Never saw, or heard it played, but Im sure I saw it correctly. Anyone shed any light on this huge horn? What was it used in? What is it pitched in? Triggers? Valves? It appeared to be a sit-down only model. Puzzled, Cheers, Keith in OZ. Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? I thought the whole point of archive and install was to save preferences (which I did check in the install dialogs) but obviously it did not work. Mac G5, latest Finale 2004. What is the best solution? Should I reinstall Finale? Thanks, Bonnie ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Only an idea, but perhaps the fonts aren't installed? Johannes Bonnie Harris wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? I thought the whole point of archive and install was to save preferences (which I did check in the install dialogs) but obviously it did not work. Mac G5, latest Finale 2004. What is the best solution? Should I reinstall Finale? Thanks, Bonnie ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bass Trom
There are a few varieties of contrabass trombone that I know of. One is pitched in BBb, has a double slide (four tubes instead of two), a single F trigger, and is played with a mouthpiece close to the size of a tuba mouthpiece (makes sense, as the tessitura is so similar. The model I am familiar with is made by Mirafon. This is the type that is played by Phil Teele on Toshiko Akiyoshi's contrabass trombone feature I Ain't Gonna Ask No More. Another is pitched in F, with a single slide played with an extension (or not, if you have long arms like me), and often a valve lowering it a fourth. This instrument might seem similar to the bass trombone in G (hey, it's only a tone difference!), but the bore is more like the BBb contrabass (rather than the G bass, whose bore is close to a regular bass trombone) and sounds accordingly. Then there is the cimbasso, which is kind of like a valve contrabass trombone. There doesn't appear to be a lot of standardisation with this instrument, but they are commonly pitched in F or Eb, and often have four to six valves, no hand slide. The configurations vary as well, from a flat-out valve trombone look to more of a euphonium-with-a-trombone-bell type of set-up. They often have pegs to support them, as they are so heavy, and it very well may have been this that you saw. This is the first page turned up by Google http://www.wcwband.co.uk/cimbasso.htm so you might recognize the instrument from the photo. Christopher On Mar 7, 2005, at 5:13 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Keith, There is such a thing as a contrabass trombone. One of the players in Maria Schneider's band plays it on her new record, so I suspect that's what you saw. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 3:44 AM, Keith Helgesen wrote: Just watched a pay-TV programme of a concert called Bocelli Statue of Liberty Concert, from NJ Liberty State Park, featuring Bocelli (obviously), two sopranos-, one of whom (long hair) had the most grating portamente ever, and the New Jersey Symph. No date was given, but I suspect about 2000. yes, folks TV programmes really are up to date here in OZ. Anyway- my question. It could have been a trick of perspective, but I think not. Looking from over the conductors shoulder, one could see what appeared to be a massive Bass Trombone. The final curve appeared to have a width of about a foot! Never saw, or heard it played, but Im sure I saw it correctly. Anyone shed any light on this huge horn? What was it used in? What is it pitched in? Triggers? Valves? It appeared to be a sit-down only model. Puzzled, Cheers, Keith in OZ. Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
At 03:43 AM 03/07/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: If you have a file where this is reproducable, you could send it to me and I'll check whether it still happens in 2k5 (I haven't seen the problem for a while, but I don't have a bug file of it at hand). Thanks, Johnannes. I haven't got anything at hand right now either, having just fixed the piece I'm currently working on. My question was more in the way of general information, since I don't understand what would make Finale seemingly botch its own basic spacing algorithm. Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
At 03:14 AM 03/07/2005, Jari Williamsson wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote: Sometimes I have two identical measures in a row, and Finale spaces one correctly and not the other. If it's not caused by missing a layout update or some other basic thing, you should easily see what's going on by comparing the numerical values in the beat chart. Yes, and the beat charts are different. But why would they be different for two identical measures? Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
At 03:28 AM 03/07/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: The problem only shows in page view. Believe it or not, I've had the problem in scroll view as well. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
At 12:39 AM 03/07/2005, Harold Owen wrote: Sometimes spacing has become jumbled for some reason or other. If Incorporate is set, the jumble is likely to persist after a spacing command. Then it's a good idea to change to Clear and apply spacing to the measures again. This only works if the problem was related to some spacing thing that I did. It seems to me most often that this is not the case -- that the problem measure is one in which I have never done any manual spacing. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
At 07:40 AM 3/7/05 -0500, Aaron Sherber wrote: Believe it or not, I've had the problem in scroll view as well. Just for anecdotal uses... I have had this problem several times in the past years, usually attributable to incomplete measures, too many grace notes, or measures with large time signatures. The incomplete measure makes sense (if it's not auto-filled with rests). I understand the grace note problems have been fixed (I'm on 2K3). Does the large-measure problem remain? (I mean measures of greater than 25 or so in the numerator, which I use to create measureless scores or section-length measures.) Now and then, nothing could shake these spacing-corrupted measures, including TGTools. The only answer for me was to delete the measure and its right neighbor entirely (not just clear them). If I deleted just one measure, the mis-spacing would move to the next measure. Then I could insert new measures, and re-enter the information. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] grace notes left align
Hi, I would like to align several beamed grace notes in the way, that the first appears exactly on the beat (together with a main note) and the others follow after the beat (on the right side). I tried some different hacking, but still not satisfied. Any help appreciated! marius. (win/finale 2003) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bass Trom
Keith Helgesen wrote: Just watched a pay-TV programme of a concert called Bocelli Statue of Liberty Concert, from NJ Liberty State Park, featuring Bocelli (obviously), two sopranos-, one of whom (long hair) had the most grating portamente ever, and the New Jersey Symph. No date was given, but I suspect about 2000. yes, folks TV programmes really are up to date here in OZ. Anyway- my question. It could have been a trick of perspective, but I think not. Looking from over the conductors shoulder, one could see what appeared to be a massive Bass Trombone. The final curve appeared to have a width of about a foot! Never saw, or heard it played, but Im sure I saw it correctly. Anyone shed any light on this huge horn? What was it used in? What is it pitched in? Triggers? Valves? It appeared to be a sit-down only model. P If it was valved, it was probably a cimbasso, a standard instrument in much of Verdi, and usually played by the tuba player. If it had a slide, it could have been a contrabass trombone, a less common visitor to the pit orchestra (required, for example, in some Varese scores), and one usually played by a trombonist. At the Budapest opera, the cimbasso is owned by the house, the tubist is not expected to bring her/his own. Daniel Wolf Budapest ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bass Trom
At 6:06 AM -0500 3/7/05, Christopher Smith wrote: There are a few varieties of contrabass trombone that I know of. One is pitched in BBb, has a double slide (four tubes instead of two), a single F trigger, and is played with a mouthpiece close to the size of a tuba mouthpiece (makes sense, as the tessitura is so similar. The model I am familiar with is made by Mirafon. This is the type that is played by Phil Teele on Toshiko Akiyoshi's contrabass trombone feature I Ain't Gonna Ask No More. I was able to examine such an instrument, although not to play on it, at the C.G. Conn museum when the company was in South Bend, Indiana in the 1960s. It did not, however, have an F trigger. Just a straightforward BBb instrument. Indiana University owned (for Wagner, no doubt) a contrabass valve trombone by Vincent Bach. That one I did play on, and it was absolutely dreadful! Very stuffy, horrible back pressure, just not a well designed instrument at all. I'll take an ophicleide anytime!! Never had an opportunity to play a Cimbasso. It's said that Verdi prefered it to the ophicleide then used in Italian opera orchestras, and didn't really care for the bass tuba at all. There has been something of a flurry of design changes in about the last 15 years, after about 50 years when the Conn 62H (especially as played by George Roberts) was the industry standard. The first time I saw oversized (tuba?) rotary valves in use was in the U.S. Marine Band at the White House in the early '80s. Different wraps are also turning up, in an effort to free up the airflow and avoid the stuffy notes. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
All this talk about the cimbasso has made me bold to ask about another rare instrument. The swing band I play with (The Peninsula Retired Mens Club Band) has a 'band tie' on which is an image of a Sarrusophone. Often people ask about the instrument. After the initial questions about is there really such a thing? and the literature for the instrument come the questions about general availability and players. So...when you are doing Rhapsodie Espagnole or L'Heure Espagnole where do the instruments come from and who plays them? Guy Hayden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
Many community bands have acquired such instruments or they borrow from the local large conservatory/university band. Many questions can be answered about all these instruments, and much diversion can be enjoyed, by looking at the www.contrabass.com site, where you can learn about curiosities (I don't want to say 'oddities') such as the TUBAX... Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Guy Hayden Sent: Mon 07-Mar-05 10:15 To: finale@shsu.edu Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom) All this talk about the cimbasso has made me bold to ask about another rare instrument. The swing band I play with (The Peninsula Retired Mens Club Band) has a 'band tie' on which is an image of a Sarrusophone. Often people ask about the instrument. After the initial questions about is there really such a thing? and the literature for the instrument come the questions about general availability and players. So...when you are doing Rhapsodie Espagnole or L'Heure Espagnole where do the instruments come from and who plays them? Guy Hayden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
At 02:56 PM 3/7/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: However, are you sure you didn't have the max measure width set to a value which simply doesn't allow larger measures? They're set to 0 and 99, but I might have done that after the problem last occurred. Thanks for the reminder! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] grace notes left align
This is difficult with the grace note function in Finale, which is geared to putting grace notes before a main note. I would suggest using normal notes. Create a tuplet with the number of grace notes you need, filling the space you need, with no bracket and no number showing. Change the size of the notes to something like 60%. Hi, I would like to align several beamed grace notes in the way, that the first appears exactly on the beat (together with a main note) and the others follow after the beat (on the right side). I tried some different hacking, but still not satisfied. Any help appreciated! marius. (win/finale 2003) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bad spacing fixed by TGTools
At 05:07 PM 3/7/05 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: 0-99 what? (Inches I assume.) Yes, inches. I do everything in inches unless I can't avoid EVPUs. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Notation/Engraving books
Hello! I just started a new thread on the tips site's forum, focusing on notation/engraving books. I put a mini-review of Gardner Read there. It would be really great if others would join and add their opinions on other notation and/or engraving books (both on essential books and books to avoid). http://www.finaletips.nu/forum/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.6 / 10:35 PM wrote: Glad I could help -- however, I would advise you to get more RAM for GPO regardless. I'm barely squeaking by with 1 GB (the maximum amount of RAM my Mac mini will take). I would go for 2 GB RAM in a flash, if it were possible on my machine. The 1 GB limit is my one big regret about the mini. Is this mean Kontakt is not a streaming player? This puzzles me because I understand Kontakt won't offer sample editing, so there is no reason to be RAM based player. The fact GPO relies on NI product is making me hesitate buying it. By the way, you would be much happier if you buy a simple sequencer, where you import SMF from Finale, and print track(s) when you don't have enough CPU power to play all the NI instances. I used to run FM7 and Battery on my Mac until I got really tired of how NI doesn't care Mac user. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Bass Trom
As I said- I only got a brief glimpse, but the pictured cimbasso appears to fit the bill! Thanks for all interest. Years ago, (early 60's?)in North Germany I went for a late walk one evening and was amazed to see, coming down a mountain road, a huge- 100 plus, marching band of ALL trombones. From slide trumpets to the biggest bass troms I've ever seen. It seems it was an annual festival attended by people from all over Europe, and I saw a 'rehearsal' march. Sadly I had to leave the town next morning and never saw the actual performance. Those were the days!! Cheers Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Monday, 7 March 2005 10:07 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Bass Trom There are a few varieties of contrabass trombone that I know of. One is pitched in BBb, has a double slide (four tubes instead of two), a single F trigger, and is played with a mouthpiece close to the size of a tuba mouthpiece (makes sense, as the tessitura is so similar. The model I am familiar with is made by Mirafon. This is the type that is played by Phil Teele on Toshiko Akiyoshi's contrabass trombone feature I Ain't Gonna Ask No More. Another is pitched in F, with a single slide played with an extension (or not, if you have long arms like me), and often a valve lowering it a fourth. This instrument might seem similar to the bass trombone in G (hey, it's only a tone difference!), but the bore is more like the BBb contrabass (rather than the G bass, whose bore is close to a regular bass trombone) and sounds accordingly. Then there is the cimbasso, which is kind of like a valve contrabass trombone. There doesn't appear to be a lot of standardisation with this instrument, but they are commonly pitched in F or Eb, and often have four to six valves, no hand slide. The configurations vary as well, from a flat-out valve trombone look to more of a euphonium-with-a-trombone-bell type of set-up. They often have pegs to support them, as they are so heavy, and it very well may have been this that you saw. This is the first page turned up by Google http://www.wcwband.co.uk/cimbasso.htm so you might recognize the instrument from the photo. Christopher On Mar 7, 2005, at 5:13 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Keith, There is such a thing as a contrabass trombone. One of the players in Maria Schneider's band plays it on her new record, so I suspect that's what you saw. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 3:44 AM, Keith Helgesen wrote: Just watched a pay-TV programme of a concert called Bocelli Statue of Liberty Concert, from NJ Liberty State Park, featuring Bocelli (obviously), two sopranos-, one of whom (long hair) had the most grating portamente ever, and the New Jersey Symph. No date was given, but I suspect about 2000. yes, folks TV programmes really are up to date here in OZ. Anyway- my question. It could have been a trick of perspective, but I think not. Looking from over the conductors shoulder, one could see what appeared to be a massive Bass Trombone. The final curve appeared to have a width of about a foot! Never saw, or heard it played, but Im sure I saw it correctly. Anyone shed any light on this huge horn? What was it used in? What is it pitched in? Triggers? Valves? It appeared to be a sit-down only model. Puzzled, Cheers, Keith in OZ. Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Bass low B
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.4 / 08:36 PM wrote: I put the low A for the tenor in parentheses so the player knows what the contour of the line is, even if he can't play that note. I occasionally write low A with a note thigh next to it :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
Hi Folks, All this talk about bass trombones has got me wondering why the bass trombone is the only non-transposing brass instrument in the traditional British brass band. As I understand it, the practice of transposing all the instruments in a brass band into either Eb or Bb and writing them in treble clef developed in England during the Industrial Revolution. Why didn't the bass trombone follow the same convention? I'm just now finishing the first piece I have written for brass band and find the unusual transposition interesting. Joe - Joe Laird Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
On Mar 7, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Joe Laird wrote: Hi Folks, All this talk about bass trombones has got me wondering why the bass trombone is the only non-transposing brass instrument in the traditional British brass band. As I understand it, the practice of transposing all the instruments in a brass band into either Eb or Bb and writing them in treble clef developed in England during the Industrial Revolution. Why didn't the bass trombone follow the same convention? I'm just now finishing the first piece I have written for brass band and find the unusual transposition interesting. Joe My (perhaps faulty) understanding of the tradition is to help keep all the instruments in the staff. A Bb transposed bass trombone would spend a lot of time below the staff. Add to that the additional worry of the traditional G home key of bass trombone, and things could get a bit hairy. Transposed cornet, alto, baritone, tuba etc. all use the same fingerings, so players can freely move between instruments of the same family with only chops to worry about rather than new fingerings. This doesn't affect tenor trombone, I know, but I have no explanation for that. The alternative explanation is that those who choose to play bass trombone are simply more intelligent than most other brass players, and can deal with the different transposition. I subscribe to this theory myself, having chosen bass trombone at a young age. 8-) Christopher (who, as a mark of his intelligence, thought for years that blowing a pedal Bb would make the TV image shake, and only discovered late in life that it was actually his eyes that were shaking when playing loud and low.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: Quickeys question
Hi, after a lot of frustration with iKey I have decided to testdrive Quickeys (and buy it if I like it). I have run into my first problem: I am programming a shortcut to go one page forward. This works with a button click, but I want to make the mouse cursor go back to where it was before, and not on top of the button. Does anyone know whether this is possible? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] TAN: Quickeys question
Title: RE: [Finale] TAN: Quickeys question From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Johannes Gebauer Sent: Monday, March 7, 2005 3:05 PM I have run into my first problem: I am programming a shortcut to go one page forward. This works with a button click, but I want to make the mouse cursor go back to where it was before, and not on top of the button. Click on the Details... botton. Click on the Options tab. Check Restore mouse location after click. Hope that helps. Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
GPO is RAM-based. There's a DFD (direct-from-disk) option, but that only makes things worse. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 2:38 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 05.3.6 / 10:35 PM wrote: Glad I could help -- however, I would advise you to get more RAM for GPO regardless. I'm barely squeaking by with 1 GB (the maximum amount of RAM my Mac mini will take). I would go for 2 GB RAM in a flash, if it were possible on my machine. The 1 GB limit is my one big regret about the mini. Is this mean Kontakt is not a streaming player? This puzzles me because I understand Kontakt won't offer sample editing, so there is no reason to be RAM based player. The fact GPO relies on NI product is making me hesitate buying it. By the way, you would be much happier if you buy a simple sequencer, where you import SMF from Finale, and print track(s) when you don't have enough CPU power to play all the NI instances. I used to run FM7 and Battery on my Mac until I got really tired of how NI doesn't care Mac user. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Hi Bonnie, Unless you kept your Finale preferences in the Finale application folder (which is actually the best place to keep them), your old prefs should be in (something like) Previous System/Users/Bonnie/Library/Preferences. You can also just search for Finale 2005 Preferences. When you find your original preferences, you can just drag them to your Finale folder. (Come to think of it, you're not using Fin2003 or earlier, are you, in Classic? That's a whole other set of potential issues right there.) However, I doubt replacing the preferences will actually solve your problem. I would recommend just reinstalling Finale -- it will be less trouble than tracking down the font problem. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 4:21 PM, Bonnie Harris wrote: Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Quickeys question
Hi Johannes, You don't need to program a mouse click to move one page forward. There is already a keyboard shortcut for that, cmd-page down -- and of course, you can use QuicKeys to map that to a more convenient key combo, if you like. But the macro executes much faster if it's simulating cmd-page down instead of a mouse click, and the pointer stays where it was. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 4:05 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Hi, after a lot of frustration with iKey I have decided to testdrive Quickeys (and buy it if I like it). I have run into my first problem: I am programming a shortcut to go one page forward. This works with a button click, but I want to make the mouse cursor go back to where it was before, and not on top of the button. Does anyone know whether this is possible? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Quickeys question
In a message dated 3/7/05 3:04:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have run into my first problem: I am programming a shortcut to go one page forward. This works with a button click, but I want to make the mouse cursor go back to where it was before, and not on top of the button. Does anyone know whether this is possible? We haven't had to program this click for this in a while..I don't know what versions you are working with but assuming you are up-to-date with the Finale versions, there are built-in keystrokes (finally) to accomplish the page/up and down movement. They are cmd-opt-pgUp/Down. I have a QuicKey that eliminates the need to press the modifiers. This doesn't answer your question directly about the position of the cursor but I thought you might like to know that there is a simpler way to achieve what you're after. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
I think there is some serious confusion going on here. Finale fonts should definitely not be in the Finale folder. However, before you start moving things around please make sure you know what you are doing. That also applies to other things. Fonts should be inside the fonts folders, which are at various places in the system. It's probably best to run the Finale installer to install these. What do you mean by previous system file? And most importantly, which System version are we talking about? Archive and Install sounds like OS X, while System file sounds like OS 9. The problem with your fonts is definitely _not_ a problem with the preference file. Please be careful... Johannes Bonnie Harris wrote: Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Quickeys question
I think you may be talking about the click item, I am not using this. I am using the button item, which otherwise works much more reliably than the click item. At least I cannot find such an option in the button item. (For what is is worth, I realized now that Finale actually has built-in key commands for page forward/back - I missed that until today! But I still would like to know how to restore the mouse location in QK after accessing a button.) Johannes Fiskum, Steve wrote: *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Johannes Gebauer *Sent:* Monday, March 7, 2005 3:05 PM I have run into my first problem: I am programming a shortcut to go one page forward. This works with a button click, but I want to make the mouse cursor go back to where it was before, and not on top of the button. Click on the Details... botton. Click on the Options tab. Check Restore mouse location after click. Hope that helps. Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notation/Engraving books
At 7:22 PM +0100 3/7/05, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I just started a new thread on the tips site's forum, focusing on notation/engraving books. I put a mini-review of Gardner Read there. It would be really great if others would join and add their opinions on other notation and/or engraving books (both on essential books and books to avoid). http://www.finaletips.nu/forum/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson Hi, Jari. Tried to follow your URL, but can't find any link on that page that seems to go to book reviews. Any suggestions? John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
From: Joe Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] All this talk about bass trombones has got me wondering why the bass trombone is the only non-transposing brass instrument in the traditional British brass band. As I understand it, the practice of transposing all the instruments in a brass band into either Eb or Bb and writing them in treble clef developed in England during the Industrial Revolution. Why didn't the bass trombone follow the same convention? I'm just now finishing the first piece I have written for brass band and find the unusual transposition interesting. Actually the bass trombone is not playing an odd transposition: It is the only instrument, aside from members of the percussion family, which plays loco within the brass band notation system. Formerly the two tenor trombones also did so, insofar that they played tenor clef concert. It is important to realise, that the British brass band movement never was mainly about music. It always was a social vehicle, where music happened to be the topic of the gatherings. By having all of the valved brasses written, so that the relations between graphics and fingerings stayed uniform all over the range of instruments (maybe aside from the 4 valve euphoniums and basses), it was possible to rotate players among all of the instruments as membership fluctuations dictated. Trombones were the-odd-men-out. Some say they often were recruited among ex-service-bandsmen. And the bassbone was even more odd. It was pitched in G like the Brit orchestral bassbone was up to somewhere between 1955 and 1970. After that the one valve Bb bassbone entered the scene. It happened to have the exact same bottom limit as the G variant namely the the cellos lowest C# cum Db. I have played Eric Leidzen's Sinfonietta on a such trombone. The middle movement was written in E major (or was it C# minor) with 4 #'s in my part, whereas the cornets had 6 flats in their parts. My playing in tune on the low C# was a novelty in that band. Wonderful piece by the way. Since then I have, like most bassboners, gone to the 2 valve Bb bassbones, which unlike the single valve instruments have a full chromatic range over their 5, 6, or 7 octave ranges (depending on embouchure). Through the last few years I have been able to acquire 3 Brit bassbones in G, all to be played with a slide handle, as the 6th and 7th positions are out of reach for even players, who like me, suffer from the orangutan syndrome. The 1919 specimen is in high pitch (A=459). The most interesting sample may be the 1978 specimen, which has a D valve. It is one of the last samples made of the version used by the Brit symphs. Even a bone guru like Denis Wick hailed its wonderful low C in the short chorale in Brahms 1. The G bones don't own the broadness and warmth of the larger-bore Bb bassbones. But they own a quality often missed in present day low brass: clarity! It may have surfaced, that I have a love/hate relationship with the brass band entity, where I have played all instruments from Eb cornet through BBb tuba on just about all seatings. It even has taken me to the stage of Royal Albert Hall doing a short solo from a tutti seat. I have learned immensely from my experiences. But by now the sound and the not always very musical approach nauseates me, as does most of the repertory. Klaus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Notation/Engraving books
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:10:42 -0500, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:22 PM +0100 3/7/05, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! I just started a new thread on the tips site's forum, focusing on notation/engraving books. I put a mini-review of Gardner Read there. It would be really great if others would join and add their opinions on other notation and/or engraving books (both on essential books and books to avoid). http://www.finaletips.nu/forum/ Hi, Jari. Tried to follow your URL, but can't find any link on that page that seems to go to book reviews. Any suggestions? John: It's in the Better Look! forum. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
At 11:13 PM +0100 3/7/05, Klaus Bjerre wrote: Trombones were the-odd-men-out. Some say they often were recruited among ex-service-bandsmen. And the bassbone was even more odd. It was pitched in G like the Brit orchestral bassbone was up to somewhere between 1955 and 1970. After that the one valve Bb bassbone entered the scene. It happened to have the exact same bottom limit as the G variant namely the the cellos lowest C# cum Db. I have played Eric Leidzen's Sinfonietta on a such trombone. The middle movement was written in E major (or was it C# minor) with 4 #'s in my part, whereas the cornets had 6 flats in their parts. My playing in tune on the low C# was a novelty in that band. Wonderful piece by the way. This brought me up short, Klaus. The one valve Bb bassbone or Bb/F bass has a natural range down to the cello's low C, not C#, and down to the B with the tuning slide extension pulled. Obviously you know this instrument well, so a little more detail would be appreciated. Through the last few years I have been able to acquire 3 Brit bassbones in G, all to be played with a slide handle, as the 6th and 7th positions are out of reach for even players, who like me, suffer from the orangutan syndrome. I once worked with a Bb/F bass player in Toronto who had very short arms, and had had a handle fitted to his normal Bb/F instrument. The real monster is the Eb bass sackbutt, which absolutely requires a handle. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: GPO is RAM-based. There's a DFD (direct-from-disk) option, but that only makes things worse. Funny. In my world, DFD means Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
At 10:15 AM -0500 3/7/05, Guy Hayden wrote: All this talk about the cimbasso has made me bold to ask about another rare instrument. The swing band I play with (The Peninsula Retired Mens Club Band) has a 'band tie' on which is an image of a Sarrusophone. Often people ask about the instrument. After the initial questions about is there really such a thing? and the literature for the instrument come the questions about general availability and players. There really is such an instrument family ... note, family. My understanding is that it was an attempt to apply the Boehm fingering system to the bassoon, as it had previously been applied to the (older) clarinet and the new saxophone. In the case of the oboe and bassoon the attempt was a failure, at least in terms of keeping the original tone quality while simplifying the fingering. The Heckle and Conservatory systems did result in improved oboes and bassoons. The Boehm system created the sarusaphone family. You can think of them as double-reed saxophones, with what appears to be a bore taper more similar to the saxophone than the bassoon. (And recall that Adolphe Sax's drawings show that he was working from the keyed bugle family or ophicleid family to which he added a clarinet mouthpiece.) The place I actually saw two (2) sarusaphones in the flesh (bass or maybe contrabass; I've never seen a whole family together) was in an inner city public school in Indianapolis. Whether they were actually in use, I don't know, but there were reeds with them. I'd say the general availability and players would be about the same as for oboes d'amore when you program Bach. Or lutes. No, there's an international lute society, and probably a lot more of them around than sarusaphones. Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? This is also tangential to the question of the bass oboe and the other instruments that get confused with it. So...when you are doing Rhapsodie Espagnole or L'Heure Espagnole where do the instruments come from and who plays them? Ummm, maybe try the Indianapolis Public Schools? Whadaya bet there's a Sarusaphone website someplace. (I just checked; pretty slim pickins.) John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Johannes, thanks for reply. Newly installed Mac OS 10.3.2. Finale 2004, Mac G5. Panther install scrambled my Finale fonts. I used to run Finale on both Classic and 10.2., and I also have an old version FinMac2002 installed. Not sure if problem is preferences related or not. When I search for Maestro Font for instance, it shows up only in Mac HD/Applications/Finale 2004 and 2002/Libraries or in Previous System/Libraries (saved by 10.3.2 Archive and Install process). Tech support at OWC and the Panther info from The Missing Manual recommend try trashing the preference file (leaving it in the trash) and restarting, then reinstall program if that fails. I'd rather not do that if it's only a font moving or font installation problem. I may try Darcy's suggestion first, if I can find the preferences file. So far all I can find is 2002 prefs. And a bunch of scattered prefs that seem to be pieces of 2004. If that doesn't work with preferences I'll try a custom install of Finale fonts. I assume that option would be on my 2004 installer disk, tho I think I upgraded with a download at some point, so I'll have to look for that. That 's the only reason not to just reinstall the whole program, perhaps. thanks for advice! Thank Mac Gurus I cloned my hard drive before I did all this! I can still run from external drive. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think there is some serious confusion going on here. Finale fonts should definitely not be in the Finale folder. However, before you start moving things around please make sure you know what you are doing. That also applies to other things. Fonts should be inside the fonts folders, which are at various places in the system. It's probably best to run the Finale installer to install these. What do you mean by previous system file? And most importantly, which System version are we talking about? Archive and Install sounds like OS X, while System file sounds like OS 9. The problem with your fonts is definitely _not_ a problem with the preference file. Please be careful... Johannes Bonnie Harris wrote: Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
Timpani, if present, are also non-transposing. John On 7 Mar 2005, at 20:28, Joe Laird wrote: Hi Folks, All this talk about bass trombones has got me wondering why the bass trombone is the only non-transposing brass instrument in the traditional British brass band. As I understand it, the practice of transposing all the instruments in a brass band into either Eb or Bb and writing them in treble clef developed in England during the Industrial Revolution. Why didn't the bass trombone follow the same convention? I'm just now finishing the first piece I have written for brass band and find the unusual transposition interesting. Joe - Joe Laird Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Bonnie, As Johannes said, your Finale fonts definitely don't belong in your Finale folder. Once again, I really recommend that you just reinstall Finale completely (but don't forget to update to the latest version, which for you I think is Fin2004c). It will save you much time and frustration. This isn't a preferences problem, this is a problem with your Finale fonts not being located in the correct folder. If you are also having the problem with the Classic version, you will need to reinstall the Classic version as well. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bonnie Harris wrote: Johannes, thanks for reply. Newly installed Mac OS 10.3.2. Finale 2004, Mac G5. Panther install scrambled my Finale fonts. I used to run Finale on both Classic and 10.2., and I also have an old version FinMac2002 installed. Not sure if problem is preferences related or not. When I search for Maestro Font for instance, it shows up only in Mac HD/Applications/Finale 2004 and 2002/Libraries or in Previous System/Libraries (saved by 10.3.2 Archive and Install process). Tech support at OWC and the Panther info from The Missing Manual recommend try trashing the preference file (leaving it in the trash) and restarting, then reinstall program if that fails. I'd rather not do that if it's only a font moving or font installation problem. I may try Darcy's suggestion first, if I can find the preferences file. So far all I can find is 2002 prefs. And a bunch of scattered prefs that seem to be pieces of 2004. If that doesn't work with preferences I'll try a custom install of Finale fonts. I assume that option would be on my 2004 installer disk, tho I think I upgraded with a download at some point, so I'll have to look for that. That 's the only reason not to just reinstall the whole program, perhaps. thanks for advice! Thank Mac Gurus I cloned my hard drive before I did all this! I can still run from external drive. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think there is some serious confusion going on here. Finale fonts should definitely not be in the Finale folder. However, before you start moving things around please make sure you know what you are doing. That also applies to other things. Fonts should be inside the fonts folders, which are at various places in the system. It's probably best to run the Finale installer to install these. What do you mean by previous system file? And most importantly, which System version are we talking about? Archive and Install sounds like OS X, while System file sounds like OS 9. The problem with your fonts is definitely _not_ a problem with the preference file. Please be careful... Johannes Bonnie Harris wrote: Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
John Howell wrote: No, there's an international lute society, and probably a lot more of them around than sarusaphones. Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? Go to your room. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
Reminds me of what Woody Allen used to say when his children misbehaved ...Go to my room. Dean On Mar 7, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: John Howell wrote: No, there's an international lute society, and probably a lot more of them around than sarusaphones. Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? Go to your room. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale There are some people, I suspect, who would feel obscurely cheated if, when they finally arrived in heaven, they found everybody else there as well. Heaven would not be heaven unless those who reached it could peer over the celestial parapets and watch other unfortunates roasting below. Karen Armstrong Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.7 / 04:37 PM wrote: GPO is RAM-based. There's a DFD (direct-from-disk) option, but that only makes things worse. You mean Kontakt is, because GPO is just a set of samples :-) Anyway, I was wondering where you stored GPO? If it is on your boot volume, streaming won't work in general. It needs to be at least separate partition, if not separate disk. Even FW would make it better, I believe. I have MachFive. The version 1 didn't offer streaming. At that time, I was trying to run it on my lowly Dual-450/1.5GB, and cpu hit was terrible when I instantiated more than 3 of heavy samples. Version 1.1 (I think) came with streaming option, and it took out a huge chunk of cpu usage, in the exchange of editing capability. If you want to edit sample, you have to switch to RAM mode. Giga is still the industrial standard, and it is _the_ streaming sampler with editing capability. They made it possible by handling streaming at lower kernel level, and this is the very reason they can't port it to Mac. Heck they even had the problem porting to NT5 kernel until the end of its life (I think they support it now, tho). MOTU is coming out with orchestra lib in near future, and I hope they come up with good stuff. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
Okay, I think I actually tracked down the problem of the flutter I've been getting on some chords using Human Playback. I'm not 100% certain, but I think it might be caused by duplicate crescendo/diminuendo hairpins applied to the same staff. I've noticed that many of my scores have somehow developed duplicate hairpins. Normally, this isn't a problem, or even noticeable, since I almost always use TGTools align/move keyboard shortcuts, and rarely actually drag a hairpin (which is the only way I could ever uncover the duplicates). But they seem to be fouling up the Human Playback. So -- any ideas (1) what is causing these duplicate hairpins to occur, and (2) is there any reasonable way of getting rid of them? I'm not about to go through an existing document and try dragging each individual hairpin to see if there's an identical one underneath. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
On 08 Mar 2005, at 1:15 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 05.3.7 / 04:37 PM wrote: GPO is RAM-based. There's a DFD (direct-from-disk) option, but that only makes things worse. You mean Kontakt is, because GPO is just a set of samples :-) No, I meant what I said: GPO is RAM-based. GPO includes a *customized* version of the Kontakt Player which has been optimized for use with GPO (and in fact works exclusively with GPO). In its first iteration, the GPO Kontakt Player was RAM-based only, because the GPO samples were (and still are) designed to be stored in RAM. I can't comment on the full version of Kontakt because I don't own it. I haven't tried DFD because Garritan *strongly* recommends against it, and the user reports have been almost universally awful. DFD mode theoretically works better if you have lots of processing power but limited RAM. I suppose if you had a dual 2.5 GHz G5 with just 512 MB of RAM, it might work out, but realistically, who on earth shells out for a top-of-the-line machine and *doesn't* upgrade the RAM? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
Darcy James Argue / 05.3.8 / 01:27 AM wrote: DFD mode theoretically works better if you have lots of processing power but limited RAM. Not true. RAM based sampler is extremely cpu intensive since cpu have to work hard to i/o memory address, and current OSX API limits one application instance to 4 GB (theoretically. It's like 3.6GB in real life), and samples are not that small to fit there. That's why streaming conserves power. If Kontakt Player has problem with it, and DFD is NI propriety technology, my money is on the way how NI does, that they port their engine from Windows. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone (was Bass Trom)
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:10:19 -0500, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarrusophone Boehm did try to mess with the bassoon and create a more 'logical' group of fingerings for the instrument which we bassoonists never accepted because of the inherent weight of his monster. Already the bassoon is heavy enough without all those extra kilos (pounds for the americans who still refuse to admit that dealing with pounds inches are infinitely more complicated than kilos and centimeters.)But this was the sarrusophone NOT. This is referred to as the Boehm System Bassoon. http://www.idrs.org/publications/dr/dR8.2/dR8_2Joli.html is a site that gives a good explanation of what the sarrusophone really is. It was also used by such people as Ravel and Berlioz (if memory serves me correctly) because the basson français didn't have near the power of the good ol' Heckel fagott, and to get the range of the bassoon with the woodwind orchestrations, the sarrusophone was sometimes employed, especially to replace the contrabassoon. Gregory an american living in paris (sometimes) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
