Re: [Finale] Parts and long rest notation

2007-01-28 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: In a Finale 2005 file, I had to make a change to the score AFTER I extracted the parts The score was no trouble, but after I updated the part, adding an extra measure with a rest, so I'm not sure why the empty measure after the big 4 didn't get absorbed ? What do I need

Re: [Finale] Parts and long rest notation

2007-01-28 Thread shirling neueweise
In the drop down menu associated with the measure item in the menu bar, select multi-measure rests, and in the sub-menu select break. you can also select both the existing MM rest and the new empty measure and create and avoid this step. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers

[Finale] Fwd: microtonal trumpet manual launched as website

2007-01-28 Thread shirling neueweise
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:54:53 + (GMT) From: Stephen Altoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: microtonal trumpet manual launched as website Dear Friends and Colleagues, I am delighted to announce a new website written by myself and Donald Bousted: http://www.microtonaltrumpet.com The

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread dhbailey
shirling neueweise wrote: [snip] i can't do anything to avoid things like the violist who stuck a white cloth on the tip of his bow and waved it above his head like a flag during the single run-through dress rehearsal, but i want to try and avoid having materials i spent time and money on

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread shirling neueweise
In the future, if you will be dealing with any orchestras in Germany, ask them what size paper and what size staves and margins and inter-staff space they want, and keep the printed response with you at all times. yeah, it just pisses me off that they are so easy to throw it at you but

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 28, 2007, at 7:21 AM, dhbailey wrote: shirling neueweise wrote: [snip] i can't do anything to avoid things like the violist who stuck a white cloth on the tip of his bow and waved it above his head like a flag during the single run-through dress rehearsal, but i want to try and

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread dhbailey
shirling neueweise wrote: In the future, if you will be dealing with any orchestras in Germany, ask them what size paper and what size staves and margins and inter-staff space they want, and keep the printed response with you at all times. yeah, it just pisses me off that they are so easy

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Patterson
shirling neueweise wrote: i long ago came to the conclusion that an orchestra is not a musical body, but a political one. Every group of humans larger than one is a political body. Orchestras are certainly no exception. Professional orchestras are beyond political: each one is a tribe.

Re: [Finale] Parts and long rest notation

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Patterson
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: What do I need to do to get the file to show the modification correctly? You need to re-create the multimeasure rest, at least on that region. Select the 5 bars, select the Measure tool, right click, and select Create Multimeasure rest from the context menu. --

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.01.2007 shirling neueweise wrote: As to whether it's a law or not, I find it hard to believe that the German government would have wasted time enacting any law governing the size and other specifications of orchestra music. hmmm, you've never spent time in germany, have you? Now,

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread Daniel Wolf
I've lived in Germany since 1989. I can't imagine that there is a law regulating the format of sheet music but there may be either a state regulation for workplaces or an agreement in the individual orchestra's employment contract regarding the legibility of reading materials, i,e, it would be

[Finale] error message

2007-01-28 Thread Bob Florence
While attempting to open Fluffy 1-26-07, the file manager reported a -39 error. I completely baffled by this one. Fluffy is the name of a piece I am working on. 1-26-07 is when it was last saved. Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Windows Finale 2007 crashing problem

2007-01-28 Thread Tyler Turner
A crash involving Apply HP is going to be a different issue than the one people have been reporting on the forum. Your problem with Apply HP could be a corrupt ahp.dat file - you could try closing Finale and deleting the HP.dat and AHP.dat files out of the components file folder to see if it

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread VivianAR
You all do know that in the USA there are union specifications for the size of parts amount of staves for the major orchestras. And even if you are a freelance composer with a small job for a symphony performer, you better have those parts in the same whatever. Vivian Vivian Adelberg Rudow

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread Lora Crighton
--- Daniel Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I've often been surprised at how tolerant musicians are of parts with bad page turns etc.. We're just resigned to it - so much of the music I buy has really evil page turns that I don't even comment on it anymore. -- Io la Musica

[Finale] Silly Question (But Important to Me!)

2007-01-28 Thread Neal Gittleman
This one really is silly, but... Using Mac 2k7b, but I started noticing this before I upgraded from 2k6c. Using Speedy Entry to enter notes. Time was, when I entered notes in a part, upon exiting a bar or a staff, the spacing would readjust (for instance, if m. 3 in one part had only

Re: [Finale] Silly Question (But Important to Me!)

2007-01-28 Thread Chuck Israels
Hi Neal, Like most of us, you seem to need to refresh your memory. Try turning on automatic music spacing in the edit menu. Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Neal Gittleman wrote: This one really is silly, but... Using Mac 2k7b, but I started noticing this before I upgraded from

Re: [Finale] Silly Question (But Important to Me!)

2007-01-28 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 01:00 PM 1/28/2007 -0500, Neal Gittleman wrote: Now there's no automatic adjusting and I have to go and do it manually via Music Spacing. Have I inadvertently changed something or do *I* need a memory upgrade? Memory upgrade available. Find it under Edit - Automatic Music Spacing (check).

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread Carl Dershem
Lora Crighton wrote: --- Daniel Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I've often been surprised at how tolerant musicians are of parts with bad page turns etc.. We're just resigned to it - so much of the music I buy has really evil page turns that I don't even comment on it anymore.

[Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi all: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/graupner/drum-roll-1.jpg I'm not sure what the standard rule concerning how far you extend the trill extension line for a drum roll. Should the line end exactly OVER the next note? Or should you extend it for the value of the note that it's meant

Re: [Finale] parts - german laws

2007-01-28 Thread John Howell
At 1:48 PM -0500 1/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You all do know that in the USA there are union specifications for the size of parts amount of staves for the major orchestras. No, I don't think we do know that; at least I don't. Could you provide specifics? There are MOLA guidelines, of

[Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts

2007-01-28 Thread Chuck Israels
Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and slashes have been applied where there should be MM rests; slashes are missing where they were

Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)

2007-01-28 Thread Chuck Israels
URL http://homepage.mac.com/cisraels/filechute/Dacapolypso%20(BB).mus Anyone with a few minutes to spare can look at this file - score view is not yet formatted for page layout, but the parts are. Look at the score, then look at Trombone 2. (I already repaired Trombone 3.) Thanks,

Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts

2007-01-28 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Hmm, now that is disturbing. Did you do a Data Check-File Maintenance? Chuck Israels wrote: Well, here's a real work flow stopper: Score and parts created and formatted; file then closed and later reopened; score looks OK, but parts are corrupted; MM rests are not where they belong and

RE: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)

2007-01-28 Thread Richard Willis
Just a reminder, Chuck is using MACFin. If you are using WINFin, the program will not have the correct fonts installed to render the file correctly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:21 PM

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi all: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/graupner/drum-roll-1.jpg I'm not sure what the standard rule concerning how far you extend the trill extension line for a drum roll. Should the line end exactly OVER the next note? Or should

Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)

2007-01-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
Actually, it's nothing to do with Mac vs. Windows. The problem is that Chuck doesn't use the default Finale fonts (which are the same on both platforms). He uses Bill Duncan's fonts, so if you don't have Bill's font sets, many characters won't show up correctly. Cheers, - Darcy -

Re: [Finale] Windows Finale 2007 crashing problem

2007-01-28 Thread Randolph Peters
Tyler Turner wrote: A crash involving Apply HP is going to be a different issue than the one people have been reporting on the forum. Your problem with Apply HP could be a corrupt ahp.dat file - you could try closing Finale and deleting the HP.dat and AHP.dat files out of the components file

Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)

2007-01-28 Thread Chuck Israels
Darcy - Do you think that Bill's fonts are somehow causing this wandering staff style issue? If that is the case, then my irritation with MM is misplaced. Of course, it would be nice, for those of us who love the look of these things, if Finale would accommodate them properly. Eric,

Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)

2007-01-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hey Chuck, I doubt the problem you are experiencing has anything to do with Bill's fonts. All I meant was, it may be difficult for other people to see the problems you are referring to when they open the file you posted, because unless they have purchased and installed all of Bill

Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)

2007-01-28 Thread VincentL10
Chuck, This will fix the Staff Styles problem. Repeat for each part with problems 1 Select a part, then: 2 Select Staff Tool 3 Select All 4 From the Staff menu, select Rest Saff Styles to Score. Vince Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.invinceableentertainment.com

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread shirling neueweise
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/graupner/drum-roll-1.jpg I'm not sure what the standard rule concerning how far you extend the trill extension line for a drum roll. use tremolo bars (3 diagonal thick lines) unless you are doing a period notation work. depending on context you might

Re: [Finale] 2007a frustration - linked parts (link to file)

2007-01-28 Thread Chuck Israels
Aha! A global solution! You know where things are hidden (probably in plain sight). Thank you Vince (for this and your other help). Chuck On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck, This will fix the Staff Styles problem. Repeat for each part with problems 1

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/28/07, shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use tremolo bars (3 diagonal thick lines) unless you are doing a period notation work. depending on context you might also need to tied the notes to avoid any sort of metric emphasis. why not a whole note instead of two half notes? the

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread shirling neueweise
It's baroque music, the editor prefers not tampering too much with the existing notation habits. A period baroque timpani player would understand this notation ah yes then definitely the trill line without ties. sorry. however, i'm not an expert by any means in baroque notation, but i

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/28/07, shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i prefer extending the trill lines (when used as trills) over the entire sounding duration, but the baroque practice may be different... If you want to open a can of worms (or as Dennis Collins would say another kettle of fish), some

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread John Howell
At 7:32 PM -0500 1/28/07, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: If you want to open a can of worms (or as Dennis Collins would say another kettle of fish), some suggest that such timpani notation markings were meant to be played as rather festive embellishments, including physical displays with the drummer

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/28/07, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course I realize that you're picturing the Scots bass drummers with bagpipe bands, with their twirling stick choreography, but I have trouble projecting that onto historical military units, when the military has always emphasized discipline.

[Finale] staff labels

2007-01-28 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Although I've been dealing with this feature of scoring for all of my composing life I'm not sure what its proper name is. I would like to be able to change the labels on the left side of each staff to reflect the instruments that are playing on that line on that page and no other instruments. For

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread Rafael L. Junchaya
According to Ted Ross (p. 197), The wavy sign extends and ends above the last affected note and not the duration of the last note. Rafael Leonardo Junchaya I'm not sure what the standard rule concerning how far you extend the trill extension line for a drum roll. Should the line end exactly

[Finale] Group names

2007-01-28 Thread Rafael L. Junchaya
I'm working on a score where the piano player changes to celesta in the middle of the piece, and the instrument name I'm using is Piano, as it is the first one used. There won't be problems with the part, as the group name is not showing there, but in the score I need to change the group name

[Finale] TG Tools....Copying a title text box on one part to all the others

2007-01-28 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Is there a way to get TG tools to get a specific set of text boxes, at the top of a part, then apply that to the rest of the parts? I don't want to copy EVERYTHING on the page (i.e. footer with the copyright name and date) or the 2nd page headers. I know I have to delete the existing headers,

Re: [Finale] Group names

2007-01-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 10:30 PM 1/28/2007, Rafael L. Junchaya wrote: I'm working on a score where the piano player changes to celesta in the middle of the piece, and the instrument name I'm using is Piano, as it is the first one used. There won't be problems with the part, as the group name is not showing there, but

Re: [Finale] Group names

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Patterson
There is no difference between Fin06 and Fin07 with regards to staff optimization. After optimization you can manually change the group name without changing oter systems. This has been true since the first version of Finale that had group names. (Perhaps since Fin97 or earlier.) Rafael L.

Re: [Finale] TG Tools....Copying a title text box on one part to all the others

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Patterson
If you are talking about extracted parts in separate files (rather that Fin07 linked parts), you should experiment with my Page Title Mover plugin. Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Is there a way to get TG tools to get a specific set of text boxes, at the top of a part, then apply that to the rest of

Re: [Finale] staff labels

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Patterson
You can do it manually after applying staff optimization. Generally speaking, there is no way to do it automatically. Aaron Rabushka wrote: Although I've been dealing with this feature of scoring for all of my composing life I'm not sure what its proper name is. I would like to be able to

Re: [Finale] staff labels

2007-01-28 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 28, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote: I would like to be able to change the labels on the left side of each staff to reflect the instruments that are playing on that line on that page and no other instruments. For example, in the Dover score to Mahler's Lied von der Erde, the two

Re: [Finale] Drum roll lines....how far should you extend the line?

2007-01-28 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 28, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Rafael L. Junchaya wrote: According to Ted Ross (p. 197), The wavy sign extends and ends above the last affected note and not the duration of the last note. Rafael Leonardo Junchaya Ted Ross is wrong. If you end the line thus, the percussionist may think that